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Well, Maze, thanks for posting this interview. I am embarrassed to admit that I had never heard of either one of these guys, but I am going to look both of them up and find out more about what they have to say. I was able to jot down their web addresses while they were talking ( and so other Amiriters can look them up if they are also interested in learning more. I like that term "Political Atheist" because that is what the world needs more of to rebel against the powers that be in the world and empower more of the regular people that need representation and voices in the affairs of the world.