The new Fourth Reich?

Trump's new "Voice" office to track crimes committed by immigrants is ripped straight out of the pages of Hitler's playbook. Is anyone dumb enough to believe this is to help the victims? Trump's message: "Your life sucks because of immigrants". There's little doubt we are witnessing the creation of an authoritarian police state. Welcome to the new Fourth Reich. Don't say you haven't been warned.

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Maybe not as bad as Hitler but only our ignorance can get us to that point. Blaming our economic problems on immigrants, blaming our crime problems on immigrants, It's not helpful. All crimes committed against me were done by white middle class men. From the assaults to the pickpocketing to the property damage. I've been stuck here in this suburban hell long enough to know skin color or nationality doesn't make a place better or worse. If my rapist was an immigrant, perhaps there would have been no question as to the rape in court. If it's got to a point where I'd believe that, we need to double check the messages society is sending, and be careful not to fall into the scapegoat trap. Just be intelligent and vigilant is all I'm gonna say for now.

@TomboyJanet Maybe not as bad as Hitler but only our ignorance can get us to that point. Blaming our economic problems on...

wow, you really have been through hell. I wish there was something I could do to help although I have no idea what that would be.
You are, of course, absolutely right on all counts.
I fear current attitudes in the US make it ripe for an authoritarian takeover and just like Germany the people will not only welcome it but demand it. What I don't get is the attraction to Trump and the incredible lack of empathy. I occasionally find myself on right wing sites and the comments never cease to give me chills. It's not hard to see how a Hitler could happen and could, given the current state of affairs, easily happen again. Standing Rock is a perfect example.
When did we become so heartless?

ROFLMAO... we are back to the Hitler scenario. It's become almost comical to see people assigning an identity they know nothing about to someone who, if they were intelligent enough to see, would find it was the farthest from.
The moment I see someone equate Trump to Hitler, I just have to assume they are still in Jr High.

@JustJimColo ROFLMAO... we are back to the Hitler scenario. It's become almost comical to see people assigning an identity they...

Conservatives are good at 2 things . Denial and attacking the messenger instead of the message. Your refusal to see doesn't make it any less real
I didn't equate Trump to Hitler I equated his policies to Hitler's and they're virtually identical for anyone not blinded by propaganda. Right down to the phrases and terminology.

The round up and travel bans, blaming immigrants and outsiders for all ills, DE-legitimizing the press, more money to a bloated military, attacking the courts, destruction of unions and democratic institutions. the constant drumbeat of fear. pep rallies for the adoration of the glorious leader, claiming a mandate are all tactics the Nazis used to come to power.

American corporations financed Hitler. What makes you think they wouldn't do it again now that they have control of the single, most powerful, most well armed military and police forces on the planet?
The writing is on the wall you're just too slow to read it.

@urwutuis Conservatives are good at 2 things . Denial and attacking the messenger instead of the message. Your refusal to see...

You should study history before you try to re-write it to make it fit your narrative. (That means you need to stop getting your history from progressive blogs)

Like most progressives, you claim to be persecuted for spreading the truth instead exposed for spreading propaganda and lies.

Hitler, like Obama, Clinton and many progressives, "controlled", and literally "owned" the press to spread their propaganda. They didn't discredit it, like Trump has done.

As to a bloated military, your ignorance in that arena is actually dangerous. Since you obviously have no clue about our military, I'll hit you with some facts. Our military is spread so thin, that troops today have spent more time in battle zones than any time in our history. (To give a recent example, during Viet Nam most soldiers spent 1 year in Viet Nam, some career soldiers spent 2 and a few volunteered for three. Today, many career soldiers have spent up to 6 tours in combat, sometimes with less than a year in between. BTW.... during Viet Nam we had the draft to constantly replenish our numbers)
As to equipment, soldiers in basic training are sharing gas masks and other basic equipment because there isn't enough to go around. The vehicles the troops are using in combat are on the average, more than 10 years older than most Americans cars. Some of the vehicles are older than the troops driving them. If you'd spent any time in the military, you'd know this.

Your talk about pep rallies is comical. What do you call the pep rallies for the left? Who is constantly advocating overthrowing the legitimate government and putting in their own these days? Who is advocating and committing violence across the country. Those are the Brown Shirts of today, and they belong to the Democrats/Socialists.

Hitler? If you want to see a model of how Hitler came to power.... look no further than the Democrat party. They are the ones who used the same tactics.... it's just that their candidate was so ad she still couldn't get elected.

It seems to be the start of it. When immigrants are grabbed off the street for their only crime is a speeding ticket then people should open their eyes. Trump is listening to Bannon and that's exactly what he wants.

Next we will be commanded to "Hail Trump" and if we don't, there will be dire consequences....it will happen. People need to wake up to this administration before it's too late.

I don't think it's the same thing Hitler did at all, it's about providing information to the victims of crimes committed by foreign criminals, not attacking a class of citizens for political purposes as was the case with the National Socialists under Hitler. And it does not apply to legal immigrants, only foreign criminals.

Here's the text of the order, see what you think.

D. Establishing the Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement (VOICE) Office

Criminal aliens routinely victimize Americans and other legal residents. Often, these victims are not provided adequate information about the offender, the offender's immigration status, or any enforcement action taken by ICE against the offender. Efforts by ICE to engage these victims have been hampered by prior Department of Homeland Security (DHS) policy extending certain Privacy Act protections to persons other than U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents, leaving victims feeling marginalized and without a voice. Accordingly, I am establishing the Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement (VOICE) Office within the Office of the Director of ICE, which will create a programmatic liaison between ICE and the known victims of crimes committed by removable aliens. The liaison will facilitate engagement with the victims and their families to ensure, to the extent permitted by law, that they are provided information
about the offender, including the offender's immigration status and custody status, and that their questions and concerns regarding immigration enforcement efforts are addressed.

To that end, I direct the Director of ICE to immediately reallocate any and all resources that are currently used to advocate on behalf of illegal aliens (except as necessary to comply with a judicial order) to the new VOICE Office, and to immediately terminate the provision of such outreach or advocacy services to illegal aliens.

Nothing herein may be construed to authorize disclosures that are prohibited by law or may relate to information that is Classified, Sensitive but Unclassified (SBU), Law Enforcement Sensitive (LES), For Official Use Only (FOUO), or similarly designated information that may relate to national security, law enforcement, or intelligence programs or operations, or disclosures that are reasonably likely to cause harm to any person.

Reference [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O...ime_Engagement

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A programmatic liaison is a person or office who's job it is to communicate with an organization or individual in accordance with a program, in this case a representative of VOICE communicating with the victim of a foreign criminal.

"What information do the victims need other than that the perpetrator has been apprehended and whether or not they have been deported?"

Those are the primary details victims have access to, which was previously withheld from them. The act spells out what information victims aren't privy to, so presumably other cursory information that doesn't violate those statutes can also be provided.

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Exactly, it's information victims should have had access to all along.

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If the order didn't change anything, it's unlikely anyone would be in a flap over it.

@Maze I don't think it's the same thing Hitler did at all, it's about providing information to the victims of crimes...

That's exactly what Hitler did. He created a data base of crimes committed only by Jews. It's designed to demonize a specific group.
The occurrence of crime among immigrants legal or not is far lower than the national rate and since when is immigration status withheld from the victims especially if they're middle eastern?
According to Trump immigrants are responsible for all his fabricated ills of the US. They even use many of the same phrases and terminology. Homeland security, make America great, the chanting at rallies. The rallies themselves for the adoration of Trump are classic like the claim of a mandate by the people which Trump keeps trying to push and taking credit for things he had no influence over at all like the auto factories. .

They now have the power to arrest anyone without charges and hold them incommunicado indefinitely without due process. They can assassinate Americans on US soil with impunity. There has never been a govt that advocated torture that didn't eventually turn it on its own people.
We'll be under martial law before his first term is over.and it will be blamed on terrorist attacks unless a natural disaster happens sooner.

@urwutuis That's exactly what Hitler did. He created a data base of crimes committed only by Jews. It's designed to demonize...

Paranoid much? Virtually everything you mentioned was brought in by people other than Trump. He made it so victims of crimes committed by foreign criminals have the ability to know whether that person is in custody or has been deported - that's it.

@Maze I don't think it's the same thing Hitler did at all, it's about providing information to the victims of crimes...

So it doesn't apply to every immigrant but how do you know the difference? Claiming it doesn't single out a particular group of people is bullshit. It puts all minorities under suspicion
Are you saying they don't identify people as illegals if they commit a crime? Since when?
There is no reason to have a data base on crimes by immigrants other than to demonize the group. Just like Hitler. The recent round up is exactly what Hitler's brown shirts did.

How Fascism is Made
According to Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933 - 1945

1. Discredit and destroy faith in democratic institutions
2. Politicize and de-legitimize the court system.
3. Repeat falsehoods until they're believed..
4. Discredit the media
5. Attack free press and free speech rights.
6. Create symbols above criticism
7. Claim a mandate you don't have.
8. Blame foreigners and non-whites for all ills
9. Claim you're the only one who can fix it.
10. Claim credit for things you didn't do.
11. Hold rallies for the adoration of supreme leader
12. Threaten to jail and strip citizenship from opponents
13. Refer to only your supporters as true patriots and refer to others as traitors.

Tell me Trump isn't doing every single one of these.

@urwutuis So it doesn't apply to every immigrant but how do you know the difference? Claiming it doesn't single out a...

Calling foreigners immigrants when they enter the country illegally makes as much sense as calling a burglar a resident of your home.

@Maze Calling foreigners immigrants when they enter the country illegally makes as much sense as calling a burglar a...

I just gave you Goebbels' list which Trump is following to a T and you think illegals are a bigger problem?
We're in deeper shit than I thought.

@urwutuis I just gave you Goebbels' list which Trump is following to a T and you think illegals are a bigger problem? We're...

Yeah sorry, my keyboard was acting up. Every single point on that list are things the Democrats have done, but that's a strategy of the left, accuse your opponents of doing every bad thing you do.

1. Discredit and destroy faith in democratic institutions

Michigan Recount Uncovers Serious Voter Fraud in Detroit, Michigan. Paper ballots are counted up to 6 times. http://detroitinformer.com/2006...detroit-video/

2. Politicize and de-legitimize the court system.

Obama’s unsettling attack on the Supreme Court
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...=.7baad05b1409

3. Repeat falsehoods until they're believed..

//"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor." //-Barrack Obama

4. Discredit the media

Liberals Trying to Label Conservative Media as “Fake News” November 18, 2016
http://constitution.com/liberal...dia-fake-news/

Conservative media, Drudge, Hannity under attack from FEC, Cumulus http://www.wbdaily.com/blog/con...k-fec-cumulus/

5. Attack free press and free speech rights.

New Obama Attack On First Amendment: President Secretly Signs Bill Limiting Free Speech, Sign Of Things To Come
http://downtrend.com/jrc410/new...things-to-come

6. Create symbols above criticism

Is Criticism of Islam a Hate Crime? http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm...iel-greenfield

7. Claim a mandate you don't have.

CNN Attacks Trump For Keeping Promises: “Determination To Keep Campaign Promises Is Verging On An Obsession” // http:www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/01/cnn-attacks-trump-keeping-promises-determination-keep-campaign-promises-verging-obsession-video/

Former President Barack Obama signaled his support for the protests in response to President Trump's controversial immigration ban, his office said Monday in his first major statement since leaving the White House.
//Obama's decision to step back into the public light comes just 10 days after he left office. //
http://thehill.com/homenews/adm...spokesman-says

8. Blame foreigners and non-whites for all ills

Obama Says Sexism to Blame for Close Presidential Race http://www.nbcnews.com/politics...ential-n676606

Democrats blame losses on lack of narrative, white votes http://www.washingtonexaminer.c...rticle/2560531

Michelle Obama Blame Whites for Blacks' Failure at NAACP Speech in Kansas City, Missouri (7-12-10)
http://www.freerepublic.com/foc.../2634620/posts

9. Claim you're the only one who can fix it.

“I think that I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters. I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m gonna think I’m a better political director than my political director.” -Barack Obama http://www.politico.com/news/st...#ixzz4aWXbOJ94

10. Claim credit for things you didn't do.

Obama falsely claims credit for America's energy boom http://newsok.com/article/3767158

11. Hold rallies for the adoration of supreme leader

6 Videos Of School Children Singing Songs That Praise Barack Obama http://thetruthwins.com/archive...e-barack-obama

12. Threaten to jail and strip citizenship from opponents

Obama Administration Is Trying to Jail a Political Opponent http://menrec.com/obama-adminis...ical-opponent/

13. Refer to only your supporters as true patriots and refer to others as traitors.

"You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?" Clinton said. "The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up."
http://time.com/4486502/hillary...es-transcript/

The Fourth Reich has come and gone.

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@2514447

Not even close to the same. Most of your links are not actually what their titles claim or not on point.

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