Yes, they make things much worse. That's why I refuse to submit to political correctness and always say what is actual fact. If you are offended, tough noogies!
The worst is that now it doesn't matter what argument you use, if you slip and say let's say "spokesman" you're instantly sexist. People using labels to outright declare someone evil.
Yes, the label name calling is worse than I ever remember it. When Obama was elected, anybody who disagreed with anything he said was labelled "racist", regardless of the logic or reasoning behind the disagreement.
Now I notice i screwed the question a bit, it's not a yes and no the way I made but rather better or worse :\
Let it be yes for worse and no for better
I really hate the "if you're not with us you're a bigot racist sexist misogynist homophobe transfobic" mentality
Much worse. I grew up in a world that was non PC and look...I am still living
I think many so-called "social justice warriors" DO make things worse, by jumping on every little thing and making WAY too big a deal of it.
I also think that many people use their supposed disdain for 'political correctness', as some of kind of excuse or justification for being intentionally offensive jerks.
My hypothesis is that offensive jerks as you call them don't care what a bunch of crybaby weirdos think. SJW can only affect those who are nice enough.
I figure they do care, since some of them are the biggest "crybabies".
Then it becomes a battle of ideals, what i've seen most is people battling these overzealous speakers, get offended in the name of someone else no matter if the offense is real or not, it only matters what they deem it and how self righteous they think they are.
they are the neo nazi's
What makes things worse is that we're even debating this...
Being PC isn't a flaw, but I see how some have taken it too far. It's really about being decent to one another. Accepting that we have our differences and moving on.... or engaging in a civil conversation to learn more.
On the other end of the spectrum, some people are using the "I'm not PC so suck it!!" excuse as a reason to be an asshole. And that's all they rely on.
There is a middle ground, tho. Can we find it?
The definition of political correctness is: the avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against. [Emphasis mine.]
This isn't about "being decent" to one another, nor is it simply "being polite", as many claim. Both common decency and politness are well-established concepts that needed no new terminology or definition.
The expressions and actions called out by the PC police are often ridiculous. Take "microagressions", for example, by definition one can unknowingly/unintentionally commit a microagression, and it can be pretty much anything that someone chooses to take offense from. Eating a sandwich has been labeled offensive, as has using the word "bossy" if you are referring to a woman. Admiring a woman's shoes is a microagression in some people's minds. Calling a male "he" or a female "she" is offensive to some. And no, I don't care if someone says they can decide their own gender or prefers to use the term "xe" for a pronoun, but unless they tatoo their preferences on their forehead, they cannot expect others to accept responsibility for them being offended. And it doesn't even have to be the person who might be offended by it who complains, as people are now free to feel offended on another's behalf...even when the person/group they are feeling offense for doesn't themselves feel offended. I can be accused of "cultural appropriation" if I suntan, wear gold hoop earrings or open a restaurant with cuisine not of my ancestry. If I wear my hair in cornrows, that is "cultural appropriation", yet I don't hear the PC police calling out black women for straightening their hair. Even giving a compliment or feeling empathy can be seen as offensive.
Yes, we need to treat each other with common decency, but we also need a healthy dose of common sense when it comes to the PC BS.
I am not PC. I do not use that as an excuse to be an asshole. If I'm being an asshole, it's because I am an asshole at times.
Merriam-Webster defines it as:
conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated
You may be an asshole (at times ... and so am I, which is why we get along) but I doubt you'd make fun of someone for having a disability or being otherwise different. But I see no difference between the hardcore PC brigade, who get offended by everything, even if offense was unintended, or evangelicals who take their perceived moral high ground too far and try to force it on everyone else.
I'm agreeing with you, btw. : )
I just Googled "political correctness define" and cut & pasted...I didn't do an in-depth comparison of dictionaries. ;)
No, I wouldn't.
I see the right and left as mirror images of each other, in reality, more alike than different. Both want the government to dictate to us, they just differ in what should be dictated. Both are for and against law enforcement, depending upon what laws are being enforced and against what segment of society. Both want big government, they just differ in where the money should be spent. Both are for and against free speech, depending upon who is speaking. Both are for government handouts, they just differ in who the recipients should be. And it snows on both sides of the aisle, they just get offended by different things.
I'm agreeing with you, too, btw. :)
I believe you summed it up once by saying "two cheeks, same butt"... or something to that effect. : )
Question: is there a way folks could somehow meet in the middle? Or is that asking too much?
HA HA HA...yes I did! Different cheeks...same butt. And quite accurately, I thought.
Even if enough people (and it wouldn't take all that many, really) wanted to, the PTB would foment discord and division. It does not benefit "them" for us to get along...we might turn on them. Can't have that. Funny thing is, I actually witnessed that starting to happen once, it was back on SH and I must admit that I was in awe over what I was seeing. Then one day something happened. And the media and government hyped and the knee-jerkers on one side jerked. A few months later, something else happened. And the media and government hyped, and the knee-jerkers on the other side jerked. I've never seen the two sides come anywhere close since then.
I tried talking to friends on both sides back then...both sides demonized me for pointing out what they had in common. Unlike above, where I pointed the bad similarities they share, I was highlighting the good on both sides, and their commonalities. Not only do the PTB not want the people to reach a common ground, people on both sides are very invested in their hatred. Like you, I would very much like to see that change, Semple.
Im against all of this because it forces people to walk on eggshells or you're an instant bigot. All this labeling is the difference between being right and wrong, people's feelings being more important than truth and logic. You dont need any of this to be nice
It only forces people who take being PC too literally. And believe me when I say they piss me off as much as you. I've never been a big fan of fake nice... like what you get with bank tellers and evangelicals.
What I'm saying is that there's a middle ground, where people can still be genuine and honest, without using the anti PC excuse to be an asshole.
i dont really know anyone using it to be an ass, the definition is wide here,
True. Which is why I was mostly sticking to the crutch of not being PC: the 1st Amendment. I've found I can safely assume anyone abusing their right to say whatever they want is probably an asshole. Westboro Baptist, for example.