Yes. We all have a purpose in life, some just aren't aware of it. My purpose was to raise a good family, live a good life and I did.
It's not about you.
The purpose of your life is far greater than your own personal fulfillment, your peace of mind, or even your happiness. It's far greater than your family, your career, or even your wildest dreams and ambitions. If you want to know why you were placed on this planet, you must begin with God. You were born by his purpose and for his purpose.
The search for the purpose of life has puzzled people for thousands of years. That's because we typically begin at the wrong starting point--ourselves. We ask self-centered questions like What do I want to be? What should I do with my life? What are my goals, my ambitions, my dreams for my future? But focusing on ourselves will never reveal our life's purpose. The Bible says, "It is God who directs the lives of his creatures; everyone’s life is in his power."
Contrary to what many popular books, movies, and seminars tell you, you won't discover your life's meaning by looking within yourself. You've probably tried that already. You didn't create yourself, so there is no way you can tell yourself what you were created for! If I handed you an invention you had never seen before, you wouldn't know its purpose, and the invention itself wouldn't be able to tell you either. Only the creator or the owner's manual could reveal its purpose.
Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/inspir...c1ivsCVUPAV.99
I wouldn't say that's wrong, but it's not what I said either. I think the OP's question was a little more personal > what's MY purpose. But, you can't go wrong serving the Lord!
We exist to worship God, and in order to be genuine, this worship must come from the heart. That leaves plenty of room for us to be ourselves.
Of course it's manmade. Back when these gods were created, there were no explanations to the whys and hows of life, nature, the universe. And people needed reasons to behave in a controled manner.
Isnt it convienient that gods wrath comes from the hand of man?
You will not get arguements or facts. You will be told that it is all based on faith.
Carla you are right. Believing in the bible as it is is like believing in something an only half human wrote on a cave wall - or drew because they had no language to write. I just don't trust bible because who wrote it and re wrote it? MEN they put what pleased them in there to make their lives better.
There is only one true God.
We've had these discussions before. I'm glad you're not beating around the bush so much anymore. As an atheist it's surprising that you would have any feelings about someone you don't think exists.
You want to talk narcissism? How about someone challenging God and how He does things?
I'm sorry for the 'difficulty' you have regarding your feelings toward God. I would suggest that you pray over that but .... well, you know.
No, I meant there is only one true God. That's pretty specific if you ask me.
You asked about Yehovah - Did you mean Jehovah? In the Old Testament God was called Yahweh, Jehovah, Elohim, Adonai, and other names. To be more clear, I'm talking about God of the Bible, God The Father.
If you talk to a Muslim, I think they would tell you Allah is the only God.
If I talk to you, you might say we're both full of it - there is no god at all!
You claim to have the answers as fact and are confused why I don't see things the same way as you. I suspect it's because I believe in God, and you don't.
Jeesh haven't enough people served god over the years already?
I don't think God has granted me a purpose. I have prayed to God many times and all of my prayers have gone unanswered. I went looking down through this poll looking for someone who answered the question positively and I found out that Budwick suggested praying. I have been unsuccessful with that method so far. Oh well...
Everyone has a purpose...but it could be obscure to you. I wouldn't stress out about it.
Your story sounds very similar to my own. I prayed for a sign - one that was obvious enough for my skeptical mind to accept. That sign never came. I see how religion benefits many people, but I could not get myself to believe in God just because there might be benefits for me too.
After a prolonged period of hoping I came to the conclusion that there was no reason to believe in God. The unexpected thing for me is that once I accepted that I was atheist/agnostic my existential dilemma went away.
Just an FYI, Christians typically aren't into it for 'the perks'; well, other than salvation.
I do not pretend to know your personal situation, and I'm not digging for details - but you may want to double check your memory of that circumstance - when you were asking God for a sign. Is it possible your 'prayer' was actually a challenge to God? Rather than a plea for spiritual guidance? (I believe the first pisses Him off. The second never fails.)
I know - I'm asking you to reopen that 'existential dilemma' can of worms - after you've already found your 'inner peace'. But, considering the stakes - it may be worth your time and effort.
I wish you the best of luck.
I didn't mean to suggest Christians are in it for the perks.
One thing I've noticed about many Christians is that regardless of what terrible things happen here on Earth, they are confident in an afterlife. Their trials do not go unnoticed and unrewarded. That gives them comfort.
I've had a few people over the years suggest that I reconsider believing in God because, if for no other reason, it will bring me some peace of mind. Unfortunately that's not the way my brain works.
I remember feeling like I was groveling for help. "Please Lord.. please give me a sign. If you're out there you know how skeptical I can be"..
I was taught that we should not test God and I felt (guilty) because I thought that I was, but he came to Thomas to show him his crucifixion wounds. Why not me? (rhetorical question)
I believe your response is very genuine and I want you to know that I appreciate it. All I can say is that I will think about it.
I wish you all the best Phil.
Hi Blue! Do you think that your being an Athiest has anything to do with your inability to discover God's purpose for you? I mean, how hard did you listen for a response from a God you don't believe in?
At the time which I was doing the praying, I was a believing Christian, so I would answer you that I had been listening for a response. However, I have been hard of hearing since early childhood (I wear two hearing aids nowadays), so maybe God didn't speak loud enough for me to hear him.
Also, Bud, I forgot to mention that I am a grammar and spelling Nazi and I wanted to tell you that you misspelled Atheist in your reply to me above!
If you ever feel serious about finding a relationship with God - try it again.
To create harmony and enjoyment on Amirite! ; )
There are worse plans. :)
As a Christian, I recognize that my faith is a gift from God. Were it not for God opening my eyes to the truth, I may have rejected Christianity completely.
God uses various means to spread the gospel, and I had the great advantage of being born to Christian parents. Had I been born elsewhere, it would not be impossible for God to reach me, but it would be statistically unlikely. My faith is such a fundamental part of my identity that it's difficult for me to imagine being any different. But I will admit that, had I been born in, say, Pakistan, there is a very high probability that I would be a devout Muslim.
Just because I may have believed something else if I were born somewhere else, doesn't by itself invalidate my present belief.
Voxlug - You say you know about religions. I am baffled how you think that Christianity and Islam are at all the same. The deal breaker for me is that they do not accept Jesus as the Son of God, nor that He died as a sacrifice for our sins. That one thing to me is a big focal point for my religion.
You've presented the existence of God as like a secondary thing. In contrast - I would suggest that belief in God is a starting point.
I don't feel obligated to prove anything about my faith. Gods Creation seems proof enough to me. Nowhere in the Bible are there arguments seeking to prove God's existence.
It is impossible to know God except by faith. I don't think it's likely for you to find the answers to your questions when your starting point is denial of God.
If / when you are seriously interested in knowing God, pray for His guidance.
You can see evidence of God and His Creation all around you Voxlug. So many discount the existence of stuff - grass, Sun, wind, rocks, Moon, animals, people - everything. Where did all this come from?
Voxlug Theory #1 - The Cosmos always existed. Hoards of angry scientists will descend upon you for that one! Science has determined that the Universe has a starting point. Most of them call it 'The Big Bang'. But, I'm sure you knew that - I haven't a clue why you ignored it, or are you anti-science as well?
Voxlug Theory #2 - God is an alien. UFO Hunters say they have proof of this very theory! An Italian artist Ventura Salimbeni did a painting over 350 years ago depicting how he believed it was done. The UFO researchers say it looks like a satellite that didn't even exist until 350 years later.
But you don't believe that God is an alien. You believe that God doesn't exist at all.
How about we talk about what you and I believe - period. I'm not signing up to go down every rabbit hole you make up along the way.
And I'm telling you that I have no interest in your imaginary alternate universes, switch-o - change-o with every comment.
I know what I believe. I'm not sure you know what you believe - at least you've had trouble articulating it.
I responded to this post that asked about purpose of life. You have dragged the conversation to where ever you whims take you on some quest to make up as many explanations for creation as you can - claiming they are all equally plausible.
Pick one and get back to me.
You keep saying "all you want to do is understand why you believe what you believe." Yet, all you have done is go off onto tangents of your own.
My frustration has nothing to do with "trying" to prove the validity of my beliefs. I'm fine with that.
I agree, you are none the wiser.
Your tangents are barely tangential.
Don't confuse condescension with being pissed. You hijacked my conversation under false pretenses. You have no knowledge to share, only conjecture - and not very good ones either.
I am wiser - I know now that you engage in false narratives.
My proof of a Creator is Creation itself. Yes, the Sun and Moon are included.
We couldn't get past Creation having a starting point if you recall. You surmised that it always existed and was created by aliens - in the same post.
So, you see you were NOT really interested in what I believe and why I believe that way - but rather to derail the conversation by suggesting conflicting ideas that you don't believe in yourself!
If you're interested in conversing - I'm in. If your intention is to throw out an endless string of concepts and to second guess everything I say - I'd rather bow out.
Well, it seems you have already mapped out the conversation.
So, you've discounted scientific proofs as well?
What about logic? Out the window too?
Oh, and laws of physics - do they still count?
I can't believe you are asking for more detail than that! Yes, all of the above. Better tell me everything you will discount. I had a conversation like this one before and the other person pulls unproveable baloney from quantum physics where up can be down, fast equals slow - it was useless. If that's where we're headed - Please go ahead without me.
I've never seen him. Even in the 60's!
God resides in the spirit realm, which is distinct from physical creation. The Bible depicts Him to be in a specific location - but my GPS can't get us there. I don't know where the location is.
My point about the Moon and Sun etc - all parts of Creation. Romans 1:18-21 teaches that God has made evidence of His existence so abundantly obvious to all mankind that there is no excuse for denying Him.
One of your initial propositions, about God being an alien might ruffle some feathers of Christians, but in a broad sense of the word, I suppose He is alien.
Anyway, the Creation thing, I thought I had asked you if you agreed that Creation existed and had a starting point. I looked back over the thread and I guess I didn't. So, do you agree that Creation exists? That it has a starting point?
I haven't begun as yet! I wasn't presenting a Bible verse as establishing where I am starting from.
(I personally believe that everyone, including you, have an inner sense that there is a Creator / God, kind of hard wired in. If true - obviously, you've managed to bypass it. That sentence should be considered simple discussion - not presented as evidence.)
If God is an alien - then so are we. How does that make sense logically?
You don't believe in Creation? You are denying the existence of the Universe? Or are you talking about Creation - the verb?
No starting point either? Then I think your argument is more with science than with me. They seem to have pretty much determined that Universe did in fact have a starting point.
All the evidence we have says that the universe had a beginning.’
—Cosmologist Alexander Vilenkin, Tufts University, Boston (USA), January 2012
Of the eternal inflation model, Vilenkin says that, “You can’t construct a space-time with this property”—the equations simply don’t work. “It can’t possibly be eternal in the past. There must be some kind of boundary.”3
And Vilenkin said that while cyclic universes have an “irresistible poetic charm and bring to mind the Phoenix” (quoting the late Belgian astronomer and priest Georges Lemaître), the model was hopelessly wrong in its predictions of the universe’s level of order today. If there had indeed already been an infinite number of cycles, the universe today should be in a state of maximum disorder. As the New Scientist article pointed out:
“Such a universe would be uniformly lukewarm and featureless, and definitely lacking such complicated beings as stars, planets and physicists—nothing like the one we see around us.”3
The attempted rescue suggestion, viz. that the universe just gets bigger with every cycle, therefore isn’t yet at maximum disorder, also fails on the same point as the eternal inflation model. I.e., “if your universe keeps getting bigger, it must have started somewhere.”
This is why I asked the questions if your agree that Creation exists and has a starting point. If we can't find common ground on these two basic issues - I'm afraid further conversation will go nowhere.
There is zero common ground on which to build.
You have no sense of humor - the mention of a GPS was an obvious joke.
Creation doesn't exist? Where do we go from there? Are we even here? Sorry Voxlug - your premise is ... I won't say - don't really want to offend, but come on - we and everything around us don't exist? I'm not going there.
Have a nice day - if it even exists!~
Oh Hell no! That was just getting good! Lol.
Here's the deal Voxlug, the evidence of God is in Creation - the Universe all around us. After going back and forth you said that in your opinion none of that even exists. I have no where to go from there.
No, I did not misunderstand, you were pretty clear -
You said earlier - I do not believe in creation and i do not believe there is an ultimate starting point either.
Today your beliefs are different?
And, how does my attempt to justify some religious statement, a religion I have no familiarity with, have anything to do with your wanting to " understand why you believe what you believe."?
No, let's establish where we are beginning this discussion.
You said earlier - I do not believe in creation and i do not believe there is an ultimate starting point either.
Are your beliefs are different today?
Sigh - You are making this conversation so much more difficult than it needs to be.
You asked me, was it a month ago? No, it just feels like it. You asked me for proof for the existence of God.
To establish a point to begin the conversation I asked if you believed in Creation and that creation has a staring point. YOU misunderstood and assumed I meant a Creation done by God - which is stupid cuz if you believed that the discussion would have been over. And what I really was asking was if you believe that creation / the universe / the heavens / planets / stars / plants / animals, everything - Creation exists. Some people don't. I still don't know where you come down on that simple question. If you don't, then there is no reason to continue.
Further, I asked if you believed that said Creation had a starting point. Even though you were confused about Creation itself, you did manage an answer to that question - you don't believe there is a starting point for Creation.
I would like you to clarify your position on my painfully description of Creation - does it exist or not?
Go! - >
Well, you have conveniently decided to go against the scientific community which is confident that no scientific discoveries could ever show that the universe has existed forever. If you hold to that - I suppose there is nothing I can do to move the discussion along. Which is why asked you about seven months ago - I mean yesterday if you believed that Creation had a starting point.
So - I guess we're done thank God! Oops - I mean, thank Stephen Hawking.
I wish it had been more fun, maybe next time. See ya!
Look up the word universe Voxlug. "Universe - all existing matter and space considered as a whole; the cosmos."
By definition, the universe IS everything there is.
Arguing that God created the Universe to someone that believes the Universe always existed is a fruitless conversation.
That is not flipping out - it's just honest.
Yeah, - too bad you believe the Universe always existed.
It's this very juvenile nature that leads me to my disinterest in spending time with you.
However, we could have saved three days of this bullshit if you had just not been such a prick and answered my initial questions honestly.
My only embarrassment is that I've put up with your nonsense for this long.
I double dog dare you to hold your breath until I engage in a conversation with you!
Voxlug - I believe you know I was headed to the cosmological argument. You can argue with yourself if you want. The foundation of your beliefs is flawed - even by the measure of other atheists. The conversation is doomed even before it starts.
Said the knothead that a moment earlier said "start a debate from scratch where we have a civil discussion and try and enrich our individual knowledge?"
No - not interested. You are not worthy of my time.
I love you both. That was fun reading! :)
I don't know about that. As far as I'm concerned I believe a "Big Crunch" in another Universe ripped a hole in the fabric of it's own universe and managed to expel all the condensed energy into the "Big Bang" which created our own Universe. Though I also believe this occurs quite a bit in a Multiverse scenario with infinite Universes at play with Eachother over infinite years. There doesn't need to be a beginning. Time is relative to both matter and observation. Though I would love to have the energy + information = matter debate with any Phycisist worth a shit. Not a one would disagree. All would argue the origin of such energy. Not realizing that a beginning isn't necessary. It is a two way street. Mass and time do not exist codependent of Eachother. You can not have a beginning. God Himself has to be eternal. No beginning or end. Simply is. Time is a trick. No beginning no end. Simply is. The odds are there are an infinite number of universes that act like bubbles around Eachother. They interact. They float around Eachother. In each case "time" being the separating boundry. Time being created again and again in infinite Universes simply through energy existing. So what is that energy? It is what we are made of. It creates our atoms, cells, our bodies and our minds. We are made of the same energy as rocks and couches and Toyota Camry's. Yet somehow we are sentient. We have will. We have the ability to question our own existence while standing on this tiny blue nothing of a speck in our own universe, much less a Multiverse. Now picture a machine with infinite moving parts. Each serves a purpose in some way to create a whole. All those infinite moving parts created by the same energy that creates matter. Is it really random? Could I post this if it was random? To me.. the whole of that infinite energy is God.
While I do believe there is something out there, I also believe we make our own purpose in this world.
The Hell with this. I've been in this very discussion too many times. You guys figure it out. My purpose is between me and god.
That's what I was taught when I was young, but then, after looking around, I decided He just had a sense of humor.
Ok. So God told me I need to lead Zonkey to the light. Think a lighter will work?
He is a little blind...
I feel like if I do have a purpose it is likely extremely random and I'd never have a clue. Something like I throw away a candy wrapper on the street when I'm in a hurry. I miss the trash can and it falls to the sidewalk. Some kid sees this and picks up the wrapper and throws it away before crossing the street.. Providing just enough time to avoid being hit by a car. Who knows maybe there are multiple purposes. Maybe my sins will cause another to choose a different path. Maybe I'm meant to see something nobody else ever has. Though it was probably just the candy wrapper. :)
The impoverished perish of my own mind has always welcomed nickels and dimes. Not sure where I heard that originally. Though it has always stuck with me.
I believe I was given the ability to write good books with strong messages. If I never make a nickel, won't ever die ashamed. Cause I do believe that people need to know.
I bow to you and feel the same. :)
I believe in God - why no reason at all no purpose at all.
What happened to the other, previous comments? This post is said to have 92 comments...where are they?
I still see them. Perhaps God has you on an internet filter. :)
Nah...something sneaky has happened...:)
Yes I do to be honest. I had a nasty car accident that should have killed when I was 16 and I am still here. I have thought about ending my own life and I am still here. I have endured a great deal of pain that would have drove most people insane. I have had two cancer scares in the last two years and I am still here. On 7/19 I was in a serious car accident which I am still recuperating from and I am still here.
I am not sure my purpose yet but one thing is for sure, I know I am meant to be here for some reason.
To say hi to me occasionally. :)
Maybe to be a source of inspiration for others!
That is very possible. If I can make a difference in one person's life it means the world to to me.
Many read your posts here every day!
I do always appreciate them doing so and always thankful they take time to do it.
One thing I still battle with is always thinking either my stuff or myself isn't good enough so when people come to my post and enjoy them it makes me feel good.
Princess - You might be dealing with a self esteem issue. You can get help with that - and enjoy everything in life even more! I'm not a professional - in fact could be totally wrong - but it may be worth looking into.
In the mean time - I'm glad you are here, and I look forward to reading what you have to say.
Thank ya Bud. I can say that I have been seeing a doctor for it for years and I am better than I used to be but know I still have a ways to go before that worry goes completely away.
I am glad to be here with all of you.
Keep listening to the Doc! And here's a safe, family friendly, Internet hug!
Thank ya Bud
Hope you have a wonderful day and the Mrs too.
I don't believe in any Deity, so... no.