I'm usually for embracing and trying out new technology and I see some benefits to it, one being that you never have to worry about physically carrying or losing credit cards or keys. You can be tracked by honest people and governments that you trust which sounds like a great idea (truth and sacrcasm) so there's definitely circumstances where I'd do it.
However at this point I see too many downsides so my answer is no, I wouldn't be considering it yet, in fact there's a lot more I'd want to know about it before I'd support it in any way especially if my work place wanted to do it. I trust them in employee welbeing as much as I trust the fictitious Umbrella Corporation in the movie "Resident Evil"' not to turn their employees into zombies if it suited their purpose.
Technology that can be used beneficially also has the potential to be used malevolently.
Probably not. The new chip on my debit card that was going to make life wonderful makes every transaction take longer than before. Savvy thieves need only to be in the vicinity to steal the data off that card. You know the data on these chips will be vulnerable soon after they're released.
Why would I want to do this?
They make wallets to protect cards and ID that are chipped.
Yeah, I've heard of them. Little metal boxes to put my credit cards in. Where am I supposed to carry that? I have a wallet that has taken a long time to get broken in. It's like a baseball glove worn a long time to fit just right.
But now to make life easier for the bank, I need to carry a credit card that is less secure, less convenient (transactions easily take 2-3 times longer), and I need to provide extra security for it at my expense.
How about they go back to the drawing table and come up with something that works?
And, I wonder what kind of accessory I would need to keep them from grabbing the RFID off those microchips.
I suppose I sound like an old fuddy duddy, but honestly don't understand why the public doesn't feel the same way.
I guess I'm even more of a fuddy duddy than you, Bud, as I won't even use those cards.
No. Not unless someone straps me down.
I don't see the need to do that unless you have dementia and are liable to get lost.
It isn't need, but convenience that has some predicting it will become a trend. Apparently carrying and using keys, money or credit/debit cards, and ID, and remembering passwords is too bothersome.
I see, and when someone figures out how to hack your chip, they will be able to get into your house, your car, your bank accounts, etc. I've been carrying all those items for donkey's years and I think I'll just remain in the 20th Century along with my flip phone. :)
Yup! I'm with you.
HA HA HA!
My theory is also that it's in the best interests of Governments to want this for all it's citizens though and I predict in future they will get their way and it will be achieved by telling us one, it's for anti terrorism measures, and two that it's voluntary but then sub-departments will then say, if you aren't chipped things like vehicle registration will cost more, then medical treatment and all kinds of services, there will be tax bonus's for lower income earners to be chipped so there goes most of the population etc until everyone feels they don't have a choice, even though it's voluntary.
It is definitely in the interests of businesses, banks and government, for many reasons. I believe they would like us to demand (for convenience), or at least embrace the use of microchips...but if that doesn't happen, I believe it may just become mandatory. That may initially occur through employers, rather than government. Businesses and banks are in a position to encourage use through incentives and/or penalties, as well.
I was going to say that, yes I think it will start off by businesses making people feel comfortable with the idea first, through convenience and loyalty points and discounts lol silly i know but its usually how they bring something new out.
It is. Few may be concerned with the privacy one gives up by using loyalty cards, but it feels like a mighty slippery slope to me.
I agree, I don't use them as they connect you and your credit card with your purchasing history. useful information for retailers though.
Not just retailers, but government. Ever heard of fusion centers? Sounds benign, but that isn't the point. Point is, it's no one's business...by aquiessing to loyalty cards and such, we voluntarily give up our privacy.
I hadn't heard the name but I've heard of the type of system used overseas which links Government agencies. In my country we don't have an automated system that does it, just individuals who have access to multiple agency databases for a variety of reasons.
Color me skeptical, Oz...your gov is linked with mine. I'd seriously doubt that such used here is not used there. Particularly when its use in the UK is pretty much a given. I think y'all in Oz and Canukland are foolish to think it doesn't apply to you. Just sayin'...
I want no part of it. The possibilities are terrifying to me.
To me, as well, Jan. They have a creepy, dystopian air about them.
Any form of identification that requires me to present my hand or my forehead (upper face actually, so that includes eyes) is forbidden in the strongest possible terms by my religion.
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
I'm familiar with the verse, Maze, but why do you say it includes eyes? Iris scans are being collected/used by both the federal and some local governments now, and Samsung's new phone uses iris scanning to unlock the phones.
It's something I heard before. It seems like an interesting parallel that biometric ID uses a mark on the hand or on the eye to assign a number to your body. The number of the name of your physical body (the beast). I don't think the beast of Revelation is the human body, but it's an interesting parallel. If you look up beast in the dictionary, the second definition is "a contemptible person" which could be broadly defined as someone who's a slave to the flesh, not a Godly person or a person of the Spirit. So beast could be seen as a reference to the body, although it's meaning in Revelation seems to indicate a system of control.
I had a look at Strong's concordance and the Greek word was métōpon, literally "beyond the eye," from from meta and óps (an eye, face). This word is generally regarded to mean forehead, but it includes the word eye. I also find it interesting that it says "in the forehead" not "on the forehead", this both speaks to implants and the eye, because the marks read by iris scanners are not on the eye, they are in it.
As for phones, biometric ID is a feature I will never use. If I can't unlock it with a password, I don't want it.
I think biometric ID is like a precursor of implants, to get people used to the idea of presenting their hand or their face for ID instead of pulling out a card.
I think that in the future, they will create a brain interface with implants, that allows people to access the net in their heads. It may even allow them to modify their brain in other ways, like eliminating the need for sleep, erasing bad memories or controlling emotions. Basically allowing people to lie to themselves on a scale beyond anything we've seen.
All of these things will seem beneficial to the foolish (the trendies, the pseudo intellectual idiots) and they'll embrace it. Before long though, at the flick of a switch, they can be made to think a certain way, feel a certain way, they can be made killers without remorse, or even any memory of what they've done.
Controlling the minds of the public has long been a dream of the powerful, but previous attempts have been hit or miss, this will be a whole other level.
Certainly mastering mind control has long been a desire of governments, businesses...the PTB. The MK experiments begun in the early 50s have been a matter of public record since 1975. Yet many are either unaware or disbelieving, and others are foolish enough to believe the program's discovery put an end to the research.
The non-lethal weaponry (NLW) available today ranges from being physically to psychologically incapacitating to people, and is sometimes lethal to boot. They can use various frequencies and microwaves for everything from inducing nausea or chest pains to fear, depression, anxiety, anger...even hallucinations. They have the capability to put words into your head that someone standing right next to you cannot hear. And those are just the things we know about. I'm sure there are advancements we are unaware of.
That's all over and above the usual propaganda, marketing, subliminal, and repetitive techniques used by both businesses and governments. So I don't know just how hit or miss it really is, Maze. Clearly direct implants would be more reliable, as well as controllable from further away, and I have heard that there is a small percentage of people the above techniques with frequencies and microwaves are ineffective on, but I'd bet they can affect a great many with current technologies.
I agree with you regarding biometric ID use.
Never underestimate people's stupidity.
No I will not. And the reasons should be obvious if people still use their brains
They won't. Welcome to the Minority. :)
I'll wait and see what happens...first.
No I would not like that. Thank goodness it isn't my employer because I would leave.
No - they will have to do it without my knowledge or permission. I am not an animal to be "tagged" and tracked.
The car rental business tracked it's car and sent a fine to a guy who was speeding at some point in his rental. The cops didn't get him but the rental agency did take money from his credit card account and the courts upheld them.
Can you imagine what could be done when they track people. I don't do anything but dystopian doesn't even begin to cover it.
Before people with embrace this, they will (already are, actually) embrace a cashless society. The potential issues that could arise from that concerns me, too.
I agree with you. I don't know why people are so blind as to what is being done to them in the interest of "what is good for them." SMH
One word: convenience.
People are lazy, and apparently carrying money, ID, keys, etc. is too hard. I get that some feel safer not carrying such, but they aren't factoring in the larger implications...and the larger thief. Nevermind that if you run "afoul" of the law you could have literally everything cut off, everyone thinks "Well, I never do anything wrong, I've nothing to worry about..." I suggest they all read this:
I am vaguely aware of that book and I'm pretty sure I commit more than three a day. "... the larger thief," is an excellent description of the way we are being taken advantage of. How easy is it/will it be to just get into our bank accounts anytime they deem us wrong about anything. It's coming.
Indeed it is coming. What I do amounts to little, I realize, but it is my way of fighting back...I deal in cash whenever and where ever possible. Sadly I sometimes have to pay a premium to do so, but it is important, imho, to do so.
Just had to take a quick trip and EZpass gives you a pretty big discount so they can track your actions. I'm with you on the cash and we do pay more for our
fake privacy. I read that FL takes pictures of anyone who uses a twenty or larger at the toll booths.
Now they, MA turnpike, NC and others, just take pics of your plate and send you the bill in the mail. We do do our little bit to try to protect ourselves but too many sheeple these days.
Nope. They swear that tracking isn't part of it. That's nothing more than a simple software fix and they are full of shit. I'll try to find a transcript from a CFR conference that was released a few years ago where they were talking about "tagging" all humans. "Much like cattle" got a roaring applause.
I'd like to see that if you find it.
I'll search for you. :)
Thank you. I am looking, too. :)
Looks like they cleaned it up. I'll still find it. :)
Yeah, that happens a lot. What's really freaky is when you are looking at something online and it disappears right before your eyes!
Been there. :) specifically with the antigravity drive that NASA was working on. Poof.. then nothing.
Yep. First time it happened, I'd had a few beers...started thinking maybe it was time for bed. Lol...happened again the next day when I was stone cold sober.
Speaking of which I want to make sure this one keeps alive. TR3B in Afghanistan:
I'd never heard of the TR-3B. There's patents for similar aircraft dating back years, though.
This has to do with the anti-gravity you were looking up...that went poof...right?
The original research was based on high speed rotating superconducting disks that could defy gravity of things floating above regardless of mass. They then decided to place two high speed superconductive discs slightly above Eachother spinning in opposite directions. This created a "gravitational bubble" immune from all effects of gravity including inertia. Zero to 20 thousand miles per hour had no effect. My guess is they had three of these systems placed on one gigantic ship. It would have to be nuclear run. Even more a reason to be secretive. Regardless I believe these craft now exist.
Would love to have seen that page you were looking at before it disappeared. I learned a long time ago to save shit that just might disappear. That's getting harder to do, though.
That it is. :)
I would never get microchipped.I don't want anyone tracking me.Or knowing my business.
No, its bad enough that apple and google track me wherever I go now. George Orwell predicted the society we are now on the cusp of living in. He might have been off a couple of decades. But its almost complete. And when it is it will become a digital dark age. Why you ask ? because we are giving the few power over the many.
NEVER will I be chipped.
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