Should undocumented immigrants have a “path to citizenship”?

50% Yes 36% No 14% Other
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Who has been paying for dreamers and at what expense to the American family? When they get on TV and start spouting how they deserve to be here all I can think of is how many Americans sacrifice their own dreams to pay taxes so that these dreamers can get a free ride.
If people want to come here to work, great, but no one gets free anything at the expense of the taxpayers. When the Statue of Liberty was put in the harbor no one was getting freebie anything.

If you reward people for breaking the law, you will get a lot more people breaking the law. If the surest road to becoming an American is to simply sneak into the US, that's the route most people will take.

The solution to Mexico's problems is not for the population of the country to move to the US. In fact, if everyone with any ambition is encouraged to migrate away, it's bad for a country. So, at least some of the blame for Mexico's problem rests with those in the US who have been encouraging people from Mexico to come to the US to find a better future. It would be better for Mexico if Mexicans who want a better future pursued their dreams in Mexico.

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I don't like it, but I don't see a better solution either. If people know their kids can stay, it's a powerful incentive to come to the US illegally and have kids. If they know that their kids will be sent back too, that incentive is gone.

Mexico is such a beautiful place, it could be heaven on earth, but the only thing that can bring that about is the people.

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If they're such skilled, productive, beneficial people, isn't it selfish to keep them in the US rather than returning them to their home country where those skills and that ambition could be put to use improving life for everyone there?

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I'd be surprised if existing "dreamers" get sent home anyway, more likely the program will just stop adding new people. The bottom line is though, it incentivizes illegal immigration, and anything you incentivize, you encourage more of. Do you want more illegal immigration? Throw out incentives.

What I want for Mexico, and the rest of the countries to the south, is that they be safe, prosperous places to live, where the people are happy and don't want to leave, except maybe to go on vacation. It could be paradise, it should be paradise, that's the real problem, illegal immigration is just a symptom, that's what people should be focusing on if they want to fix it.

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Linster you are so correct, I don't understand why usa will pay to take care of the criminals who snuck into the country, better to immediately put them into a boarder prison that is not at all comfortable they can
stay there 1 v week then go home, not our problem . go home.


"... these banana republics where the police and leaders are as corrupt as can be..."

They are corrupt because they were corrupted by elements within the US. They can't not be corrupt, honest leaders are assassinated or overthrown, it's how the system works. It's repugnant to behold, but that's the root cause of the problem and it will only get worse until it's solved.

Here is a very brief and concise description of the true source of the illegal immigration problem, as described by a former insider: a self described "economic hitman".
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This is an area where there is room for cooperation between people on all sides of the political spectrum. Because, regardless of political ideology, not too many people look kindly on that kind of abuse. And the effects are things all sides rage against: illegal immigration, the drug war, corruption, government overreach, foreign wars, the police state, the prison industry, they're all part of the same problem. The swamp runs DEEP. That's why they want everyone at each other's throats, they fear what might happen if the public get together.


Linn, The flip side of that is, after being here so many years, where American Citizens have been supporting them, suffering from their gangs and criminal activities, over burdening the taxpayer at every turn and never facing being held accountable, I'd say we would be a head to send them back. Many which have been here almost their entire lives, still don't speak English. (In some states, it is mandated that they be taught in Spanish.... another taxpayer expense)


The DREAM Act never passed.

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That's DACA.
And you're right, DACA was an executive order that went far beyond Obama's legal limitations. No one had the gnads to question Obama at the time. (He was black you know!) But, everyone can take a shot at Trump!

So, when the media got wind he was going to address DACA, it became time to cue the racist anti-everything movement cuz Trump wants to correct a problem. He gave the illegals and Congress fair warning - pass a law that takes care of this within 6 months - or DACA is gone.

Well played if you ask me.

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Linn - Trump brought it up and handed it off to Congress in one fluid movement.

You're reacting to the media reaction.

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I don't recall Trump mentioning making a deal with Pelosi during any of his rallies. But mentioning the rallies in very general terms is a grand way to deflect a direct response.


Too bad. That is still illegal. Only the best not all should be considered. Been in the US military or civic serviceyes, been involved in crime no.

They are ALL criminals. We have enough criminals in this country without continuing to import more.

Generally, no, but in extraordinary circumstances an Act of Congress, signed by the President would be a law and I'd be fine with that.

The path to citizenship already exists.
It's called legal immigration.

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Ain't that the truth?

Yeah why not if they try hard enough to be a true American

They broke in so are trespassing. Make Them get in the line just like everyone else. Many will not ever get accepted because they have commited that crime already, also immegrants usually have to prove they can work or have a job lined up.

Duh. The argument around this topic is around how hard it is to be on that path. In which I say, it should be ridiculously easy.

Define "citizenship" and "immigrants". Is this in regards to the bullshit constitution put up by colonial America after the genocide and theft of land & resources upon moving to America that they now claim as "their country", or are you referring to the natives who were originally here as the first "citizens"? It just depends on how you look at it. These "country lines" didn't exist until Chris Columbo decided to put his dick in everything (relatively speaking).

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