There are many ways we benefit from other cultures. All I can think about right now is FOOD but I'm sure there are many others...
Small dick syndrome
Why be racist at all?
These days, i think people are raised with it. Or need to feel a part of what they deem a strong group and become like minded to belong.
Then, of course, there is the, fear of the other, factor.
None of the above are valid.
Ya know Carla, I don't think there are really that many white racists today. What causes a man to be called a racist today?
He makes a comment about people committing crimes by coming into this Country Illegally.
He comments about who is committing MOST of the terroist acts in the world today.
He comments about about domestic crime and who is committing a disproportionate number of these crimes.
He disagrees with someone about anything and the other is losing the argument.
Jim...what troubles me, is the generalities.
If a person commits a crime, does a terrible thing, condemn that person because of that act.
Condemn terrorists because they have warped their religion to suit their narrative. Just like many christian sects have done.
Illeagal border crossings are down. Obama was tough on that, too.
Condemn people coming through the border illegally..because it's illegal. But....condemning an entire community, because of their color, faith, or lack thereof, etc.? There is usually an "ism" that goes along with those condemnations.
Carla, I know a lot of people, including myself, who condemn the things I outlined above. I'll even condemn all the black on black crime. Does that make me a racist? No. I think any rational person understands it is not the totality of any particular race or religion that is responsible. I also think condemning a "group" isn't racist. When I use the term illegals, I'm not just referring to mexicans. I'm referring to illegals from middle eastern countries, Asian countries, AND European countries. Illegal is illegal.
If I condemn the black on black crime, wouldn't that imply that I don't want to see innocent blacks killed, any more than I want to see innocent white or greens killed. Where is the racism in that? But I've been called a racist for it.
Distrust and suspicion of other cultures is learned Carla. I know you're not near as "old" as me but I am sure you can remember a few decades back when we saw no "threat" from the islamic culture. We enjoyed things like movies about Sinbad, Aladdin and the magic lamp and the mysteries of other cultures. It's when those cultures change or have 'splinter" groups that threaten us, that we become wary, and rightfully so.
Do you condemn white on white crime as vocally as you do black on black crime, jim?
And wary of the poison splinters, doesnt make a person racist. But, are you as vocal about, say...poison morman splinters? I know they dont kill people outright, in a terrorisic manner. But, what of the young girls? They are slowly killing them.
Other sects also warp the christian religion. Are you as intolerant of those?
What of the mass shootings, here, in this country? Many, many, by white men. Did you vocally condemn dylann roof?
I know that color blindness regarding race is false. Everyone recognizes anothers differences, or sameness.
Mutual understanding and empathy is what overcomes hate and distrust.
You've been chatting with me quite some time Carla, and yes, I do condemn the white on white crime as well as ALL crime.
What I don't do is give a free pass on what isn't reported in the news. I condemn Dylann Roof. Do you Condemn Emanuel Kidega Samson? Do you even recall hearing that name or what he did? For some reason... nobody does.
I'll have to admit that I had to look up what poison morman splinters was. When it comes to off the wall Christian groups, I am even more critical when looking at them. (Or those I know about.) Can you give me an example of any Christian Churches that promotes and condones the murders of ANYONE, in the US? The most radical Christian nut case group would be the Westboro Baptist Church. Would you agree they have had a good amount of negative press? I can't stand them but... how many deaths are they responsible for? (Personally, I'd like to have a company of soldier be at the next military funeral they are at and kick the shit out of every protestor. The only color of a dead soldier is green or blue.) Something I'd like to point out, because it is high in the news, is about the dead black marine who Trump is being criticized over with the condolences call that has had so much publicity. Carla, can you give me even one name of the three white marines who were killed with him, or say you have seen any media coverage on their deaths?
As to mass shooting by whites, of course everyone condemns it when t happens. When was the last time you even heard of a mass shooting by a minority. Yet, while 58% of mass shooting is done by white males, and white males only make up 36% of the population, 42% of mass shooting is done by minority males who are 6% of the population. (Why is it that if I give facts, that per capita, a black male is 5 times more likely to do mass shooting than a white, I am a racist. Facts are facts Carla, and these are FBI stats.
Your last comment was, "Mutual understanding and empathy is what overcomes hate and distrust." That's a very true statement Carla. Maybe that's why I see most of the people I work with as green or blue, and not black or white or hispanic or asian. Our culture, that has bound Americans (Or at least was on it's way to bind Americans as Americans) is being destroyed. 50 years ago, we were ALL Americans. Remember when we were protesting the war in Viet Nam? We weren't protesting it as black or white, we were protesting it united. Today, we are hyphenated Americans. I see some groups doing all they can to point out our differences, rather than point out our sameness as Americans.
Like usual, I got too long winded on this. <s>
And, no. I dont know of any christian sects, cults, etc., that call for the destruction of another culture by outright violence.
I despise the mutilation of the muslim faith by the few (in comparison to the number of muslims in the world) who have chosen to weaponize it.
That also doesnt make me a racist.
Just food for thought Carla.
According to Daniel Pipes , approximately 10-15% of Muslims around the world actively support militant Islamists (usually economic support to Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, al-Qaeda or other terrorist organizations). Since there are more than 1.2 billion Muslims worldwide that totals 120-180 million.
I just read about him. I dont know how he could possibly know those numbers.
He also said that.. "It is a mistake to blame islam, a religion 14 centuries old, for the evil that should be ascribed to militant islam, a totalitarian ideology, less than a century old."
I have other sources of information that give approximately the same numbers. If you'd like, I can dig them up, or better yet you can research them. (beware of "credible" sources though)
Remember that the Ottoman Empire was muslims who had the goal of conquering the world and converting it to islam.
I will admit...i dont know, off the top of my head, the names of the other three soldiers who were killed. And only remember ladavid, as the fourth.
I do know of samson, and what he did. Monsterous and cowardly, as all of those people are.
I would never call you a racist. Ive said that, to one person, here. I think he is gone.
I agree with you regarding hyphenated monikers. But...50 years ago, we may have not been separated by that dash, but...as americans, minorities were not standing on a level field. Identifying gave us the strength to drive, uphill.
I enjoy your long windedness, jim. You help me look at things from alternate angles. Bo does that, too.
50 years ago, we had a ways to go, but I think we were at least moving in the right direction. As you know, I grew up in a small remote farming community. (Didn't even meet or talk to a black man until I was 14. When I did, it ended up being an afternoon of bullshitting and laughing about the world with him. It was a positive 1st meeting)
The minorities were ALWAYS on a level field with me Carla. On my 17th birthday, I stood, stripped down to my underwear along with 80 others, in a barracks at the reception center on Ft Ord California for Basic Training. We were all colors and from as diverse of backgrounds as you could imagine. The draft was going on, so for the most part, there were dirt poor and the rich kids, side by side, with nothing but their shorts. We all has the same expectations of us and all did what we needed to do.
Maybe we lost something by no longer requiring everyone to serve, as equals.
That's not to say there weren't race problems, there were. There were actually race riots on military bases. Some went on for weeks. During these times, if you were away from those in your unit, you were in danger. Blacks would raise their fists in the chow hall and shout "Power check!" All other blacks would them raise their fists and respond. (It rarely happened between black and whites within the same small units though. It's when it became a mob where the problems happened.)
I too, was raised in a small, all white community. I remember the riots in detroit. My mother and father were sympathetic to their cause. My dad was from detroit, mom from texas. I grew up not being exposed to many different cultures, but also had no feelings of fear or superiority.
And...my first real intimate exposure to black people, was in basic training.
It certainly brought us all to an equal footing.
Ya know, jim...i dont know who is to blame for the place we are in today. Small insignificant groups, like antifa, the neo nazis, etc., make so much noise. And because of the instant access we have to it, everyone hears it, much too loudly.
Then, of course, there is politics:[
I think politics is largely to to blame. Politicians divide us all up into groups and pander to those groups. Then, like sheep, we will say our candidate is the bestest... because he or she wants to protect our little agenda that we think is the most important thing in the world. As long as he or she promises to bring aback 8 track tapes, I'll vote for them.
As crazy as that sounds, it's not far from reality. When we are so wrapped up in protecting our own tiny piece of the pie, we don't care what happens to the rest of the pie. Politicians know that and prey on it.
An example of divisiveness is the black congressional caucus. Why do we have a segment of congress dedicated to doing what is best for blacks instead of what is best for all? Actually, the black caucus doesn't want to help blacks at all. Divisiveness is what has given them their power and perceived purpose.
Neo Nazis and the KKK are no more than a joke in the real world here Carla. The last time they were even relevant was the 60's and even then did little damage. I watched some TV interviews "on the street", and the "Neo Nazi" members they interviewed, didn't even know what the acronym NAZI stood for. When you see them assembled, they have maybe a hundred nut cases who are clueless. With all the other racist groups that are growing, I think there will be growth of the white groups, not from any perceived supremacists ideology, but one of survival.
I do have concerns about Antifa though. Those are the bombers and domestic terrorists of the near future. Create mobs of the right mixture and Boom.
Fear and ignorance.
Canadians offer me merely misery and things to complaint about, out of which only the latter one is any fun.
Being angry at someone because of what they have done, or what they are doing...... is NOT racism. People on the left are trying to sell it as racism but it's not.
Some claim that securing our borders is racism. That is simply another lie. By securing our borders, it keeps EVERYONE out who is trying to get here illegally. Why does the left continue to claim the only illegals we are trying to stop are mexicans and muslims? Of note, when it serves their purpose, liberals define mexicans as white.
This post was about questioning the logic of and denouncing racists and you somehow flipped it to hate on liberals? You can't just say "yeah racism is stupid" and move on? Did you even read the post or did you just see the word racism and get mad at someone OTHER than racists?
Regardless, Mexicans aren't white, some are white passing. Never talked with a liberal that thinks anything other than that. Also Trump only put a wall against one country and Trump's travel restrictions did not include EVERYONE, it was like 8 or so countries, ones with big muslim populations. Also his campaign was deeply rooted in being anti-mexican and anti-muslim, one of his earliest campaign statements was calling "some mexican immigrants" rapists. It's not that hard to deduce why someone might think that Trump is specifically targeting certain people... it's even more obvious that many of his supporters are on board with getting rid of both of those people.
If you can explain to me why Trump only wants to build a border wall with Mexico and not Canada, or why he tried to enact a travel ban targeting predominantly Muslim countries, I might give your comment more consideration.
I could really care less how much consideration you gave my comment since it's pretty obvious you are either clueless or just too lazy to research something before you speak.
Where are most of the illegals coming in through? Hint: It's the Southern Border. Bonus points: Where are most of the drugs entering this country coming from? If you answered mexico, give yourself 3 points.
What group of foreigners entering this country are committing most of the domestic terrorist acts in the US? Hint: Muslim
As to why we don't have a wall on the Canadian border, see reference to the southern border above. Now that it looks like some of the criminal illegals are looking at going into Canada, the problem will be solved if Canada builds a wall.
Since you have obviously had these answers explained to you time and time again, let me ask you a question. What's your point? Since you call yourself the censored Brit, I will assume you come from the UK. Hows that whole muslim and influx of illegals thing going for your over there? Hows it feel living in a country that no longer even has much sovereignty?
So it is about Mexicans and Muslims. Thanks for clarifying that.
I've had no problems with Muslims or illegals, and I've never been one to care about dick waving on the world stage.
Here's a hint for you though Jim. If you're going to try and raise my ire by attacking my country and what goes on in it, you're on a fools errand. My life in the country I live in is perfectly fine because I don't go around trying to insult people. Try it some time :)
You really are this simple minded. ROFL
Did I even mention Mexicans? I guess your reading comprehension is as low as your knowledge of the world around you?
Dick waving? I'm sure you don't. You first have to have the equipment for it. Since you claim to be one of those who has no problem with illegals and muslims in your country, I'm sure you will also be one of those who sits back, playing on the computer, and probably yourself, while others try to stop the violence, the rapes and the murders perpetrated by those you welcomed in with open arms. I wouldn't be surprised if you don't even know whats going on in the UK.
Your country is perfectly fine..... ROFLMAO. You are such a hypocrite. You can read all my posts over the years I have been here, and you know what I haven't done? I haven't insulted the leaders or the politics of other members countries because that is their country and how they run it, who they elect and what their policies are, is up to them.
What irks me, are losers from other countries who jump online and start disrespecting MY country and MY president. Have you even BEEN to the US? I seriously doubt it, but you are going to get online and pretend you know about my country and the problems we face?
I've been to the UK a number of times, over a 40 year time period, including attending one of the colleges there for a time. I've worked with the UK military a number of times. What have you done?
You claim you don't go around insulting people and that I should try it. LOL... Here is a bit of advice. You insult my President, you're insulting me. You insult my country, you're insulting me. As to me insulting you? I haven't even begun to to insult you. If I do, you'll know it.
Yes you did. Here's the quote:
''Where are most of the illegals coming in through? Hint: It's the Southern Border. Bonus points: Where are most of the drugs entering this country coming from? If you answered mexico, give yourself 3 points.''
As for you getting wound up because Trumps being criticized? Get over it. You're getting wound up because your country is getting criticized? Get over it! Your on the world stage now (Or did you forget how often America tries to claim its the number one country in the world).
For the final question: I'll let you know in 40 years what I have done (assuming you're still around) and then we'll have ourselves a fair comparison.
I liked where you "quoted" where I said mexicans, and the word mexicans wasn't there. Nor was there any reference to ANY nationality. LOL Yep. like I said, simple minded and zero reading comprehension.
If you knew anything about what you're talking about you'd know that illegals from ALL countries come up from our Southern border because it is so porous.
Why would we need to wait 40 years to have a comparison. You seem to know all the answers today. I doubt if in the next 40 years, you'd have any better answers, but then in 40 years, you probably won't have the right to say anything against the "state".
As to claiming to be the number one country, I've never done that as well. But I guess by going after the country you see as number one, it gives you a sense of importance.
Given? I thought we "appropriated". I'm soooo confused.
Being told you're "inherently racist", you're to blame for the atrocities committed by everyone who lived decades if not centuries before you because your skin tone is similar, being told you have no culture, being told you need to be exterminated, being told your very existence is offensive, etc.... tends to lead to racism.
To put it simply, if what you're saying sounds like extremist hate speech if you cross out "white" and put in any other race.... then it's still extremist hate speech.
Why be racist when we are all trying to live life as we see fit? If you don't want to be on the receiving end of racism, then you shouldn't be throwing it to start with.