Why can't we do both? Why can't we teach our sons not to be creepy perverts AND teach our daughters not to be sluts?
The concern is of course, what's a slut?
Wearing a short skirt? Smiling at strangers? Not covering yourself from head to toe in draperies?
Correct. That's why it is quotes. People are accused of being 'sluts' for showing cleavage.
and there we have it folks. Point proven.
The sound of the drums.
How should a man behave instead of the so-called slutty version - I could use your advice - and what would I call them that's equal in meaning that women are given... I really don't know.
What's a male called who goes past the outer limits of social behavior? I honestly don't know.
Yes- key word, 'considered' by whom and why?
Slut, as I was taught over 50 years ago, was a female who used her sex (by dress and action) to attract males for a sexual encounter.
because being sexually free and promiscuous is awesome and shouldn't be reprimanded. Being a rapist is bad, enjoying sex is not.
Because.... because... I have no idea why not people are just this way they don't learn and it's so easy to be bad.
Painting with a mighty broad brush there Vic. SMH
I'm not sure I would correlate that to religion or parties (or if I would, it would be the extremists), but that is something I have been saying for years: instead of teaching girls how to cover up and act "proper", to not tempt the innocent and uncontrollable rapists, the parents should just teach their kids to respect a fucking "no". You know, basic civility and all that.
Grand Slam, Sofia ;) Way ta go!
This is a slanderous misrepresentation of my religious beliefs. Hardly surprising considering its source, but disappointing nonetheless.
How so Maze?
Do you let your daughters run around topless? Do you let your sons? Do you treat them the same when it comes to promiscuity?
Do you think homosexuals are sexual deviants, but that 70 year old man marrying a 25 year old women is 'lucky'?
Promiscuity isn't a good idea regardless of your gender, and homosexuality has serious negative health consequences that marrying someone of a different age doesn't. That's just reality.
This free and open society you inhabit is product of Christianity, not atheism and certainly not Islam. Islamic countries are repressive shitholes because of the philosophy they follow. If you can't see that, you're delusional. And if you think atheism is a good philosophical basis for a nation, you haven't studied history.
In the West we owe much to Christianity and great thinkers such as St. Thomas Aquinas, but a free an open society? I believe we owe this to the great philosophers of the age of reason and the Enlightenment.
In contrast. the Puritans set up their own theocracy and banished those who disagreed with their religious views. And Catholics and Protestants discriminated against, and occasionally killed, each other.
Look at the historically Christian parts of the world, they're the free places, the enlightened places, and it's not a coincidence.
"The heart of the prudent gets knowledge; and the ear of the wise seeks knowledge." -Proverbs 18:15
"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery." Galatians 5:1
"Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor." 2 Peter 2:16
"make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, mutual affection; and to mutual affection, love." -2 Peter 1:5
Nah they’re crap holes because the first world keeps bombing them and stealing their resources
Hindering progress in their civilizations
Places like Turkey that have resources and have not suffered so much are more towards equality
At the same time being a Muslim country
Nonsense, it isn't war that makes Islamic society repressive, it's Islam, look at Arabia, look at Iran. When is the last time either of them was at war? And yet they're repressive as hell. Who's fault is that? What gives them the justification to behave that way? Islam. Facts are facts sister.
I’m not justifying it
Wrong is wrong
But I see the first world bombing war torn countries as a big part of the problem
If you follow maslows hierarchy of laws to some extent...
If you look at other oppressive societies
Even in places in America where they live in squalid conditions, there’s higher levels of inequality
Like extreme Mormons (not all Mormons but extreme ones)
When basic human needs are not met, you’re more focused on surviving. Equality is not a priority
Disclaimer: does not apply to every situation
I agree that America has broken the golden rule in its dealings with certain Muslim countries. Those countries aren't US territory and it's inappropriate for America to enforce its will over them, and most Americans don't like it. But America has fallen under control of globalists that have been using it as their attack dog. Trump's election was largely a result of the public's rejection of globalism. Most Americans would prefer their country not be involved in the Middle East.
And war isn't good for society, I agree with you on that too. But that doesn't change the fact that Islam condones some pretty bad behavior. The bad things globalists do aren't condoned by Christianity, which is probably why they use their media to attack and marginalize us at every turn.
"Extreme Mormons" do some things I don't agree with, but they're not chopping people's heads off. And why is that? Mainly because as goofy as their religion is, it doesn't condone that sort of behavior.
"The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it abundantly." -Jesus (John 10:10)
Well islam doesn’t condone it
It is a matter of interpretation
And a group like ISIS doesnt even follow the rules
Pre marital sex
They don’t pray regularly
They don’t even read the Quran
A white man who escaped their clutches quoted that he never once saw them read the Quran
These are things I’ve explained a million times here, but to what to avail?
"A majority of Muslims in several countries say that any Muslim who leaves the faith should be executed, with the share who support this nearing two-thirds in Egypt and Pakistan. In Afghanistan, 78 percent say apostates should be killed."
That's not even a thing in Christianity, you can leave any time you like without fearing for your safety.
Because Muslims in Turkey and other better off nations don’t have those views
My parents who are from Bangladesh (a poor country) never had those views
Obviously violent people in Bangladesh have those views as I’ve seen in articles, but none we have associated with
There’s even a verse that says “There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion”
Being that Muslims make up the second largest religious group with over 2 billion members, if we did have those views the world would not be so stable
Because compared to a 100 years ago, or 4000 years ago, the world has never been so peaceful
The number of battles has steadily been on the decline as the world has progressed
The reason the world has never been so peaceful is that something big happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
"I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'
That’s in reference to when the Quraysh were attacking and murdering Muslims for 10 years in Makkah
So Muslims relocated to Medina for safety and kept getting persecuted even then
The quraysh broke the treaty and waged war
So the order was fight those who fight you for survival
There wasn’t forcing religion for that
The members of Quraysh who eventually sought peace and forgiveness were granted amnesty and kept their polytheist beliefs
Context matters, interpretation matters
Forcing religion is prohibited where it’s clearly stated that there is no compulsion in religion
Was their violence? Yes for Self defense
But the life of every Human was held as valuable regardless of beliefs and he even ordered to make sure that not even trees should be harmed
"Was their violence? Yes for Self defense "
Ohh... I understand now. It was for self-defense, for example, that the Moors invaded and occupied Spain for 700 years, and marched north into France, to be stopped in 732 CE at Tours, just 90 miles south of Paris... all for self-defense, no doubt.
Glad you cleared that up for me.
Wasn’t from the Prophet’s time so you can’t say he condoned it
He definitely didn’t live for 700 years
Glad to actually clear it up for you
Nobody said Muhammad lived for 700 years, nor did I say he condoned it.
The Moorish invasion of Spain started in 711 CE, so it was about 80 years after his death.
YOU said "the rule of thumb is aggression is only against aggressors" and "Was their violence? Yes for Self defense ".
So what you said applies ONLY to Muhammad, and the Moors were going against his teachings, is that correct?
Glad you cleared that up for me.
Yes ISIS and Moors were and are against his teachings
And what about the Arab conquests of Armenia and Georgia, a few years after Muhammad's death? Were these Arabs defending themselves against Armenian and Georgian aggression, or were they going against Muhammad's teachings also?
Well his companions weren’t free from wrongdoings
I don’t really know much about those conquests at all though
But Even today there are sects that are purely political like Sunni and Shi’a
You might also wish to study the Ottoman empire. They were equal-opportunity aggressors, conquering and occupying not only large parts of southeastern Europe, but also Egypt, Palestine and North Africa, among many other Muslim areas.
Oh, and don't forget Timur, who styled many of his aggressive conquests as "jihads".
It looks like the Ottoman Turks and Timur weren't following Muhammad's teachings about aggression either.
“Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.” Quran 9:123
"Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends, rather than the believers -- for whoso does that belongs not to God in anything" Quran 3:28
"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them." Quran 8:12
"slay the pagans wherever you find them. Capture, besiege, and ambush them. If they repent, perform prayers and pay the religious tax, set them free. " Quran 9:5
I could keep going and explain each one like I did the previous one
They all refer to specific events that went down
there's historical context
the rule of thumb is aggression is only against aggressors
If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors. (2:190-193) Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. (2:190)
So, If people followed the pedophile mohamed, and islamic beliefs, their wouldn't be sluts, or perverts. Since I read the Koran years ago, that would also include homosexuals, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Atheists and anyone else who doesn't follow the crazy teachings of that lunatic. Meanwhile, things like rape are not a crime in the islamic religion if done against non muslims. (Saying "no" to a muslim doesn't work for women) The answer to anything anyone does, who is not a muslim is to kill them. Radical liberals are all for protecting muslims and their beliefs. Talk about lunacy.
sound familiar? You nailed that logic, so why did you disagree?
It’s sexist logic
And it’s logic that’s existed long before any Abrahamic religion
The world is playing catch up
If I can catch up so can the rest of the world regardless of political/religious affiliations
You're dead wrong on Conservative logic.
I'm a Christian-Conservative and have always taught my children to treat everyone with respect, with no double standard in regards to gender. It's not okay for men to be deranged perverts any more than it's okay for women to be. It is also extremely unfair to group Christian ideals with ISIS in any way. Why do that? It's insulting. The same with comparing conservatism to ISIS. I've never lopped off a head or raped a woman and neither has my son. Did you just go out of your way to insult us, to group us in with these evil, murdering rapists?
Sorry Jerry, did not mean to imply that at all.
What I see are ISIS treating women like second class. Forcing the to cover themselves and blaming them for rape because they were 'exciting' men with their taunting bodies.
I see Christians and republicans doing the same (to a less degree). Accusing women of flaunting their sexuality "what did she expect to happen, dressed like a slut."
I see a very close relation between republicans and ISIS. Both wanting to tie religions beliefs to political ones. Both preferring male leaders and saying that women should stay at home. Both thinking that homosexuality is a sin and the men who take on feminized roles are to be mocked or chastised.
There is a reason that 90% of Muslims in America vote republican. There is a reason both Muslims and Christian fight equality laws, like gender neutral bathrooms. It is because they share very similar values.
My guess is that if you had a daughter you would not let her run around topless but you would not mind if your son did. Same as ISIS, same as most conservatives.
Sorry I insulted you by comparing Christians to the only other major conservative religion based on the same creation myth.
I agree with you on a lot of things, but most American Muslims are a strongly democratic constituency
Any stat will show that
Well that last sentence was sure an insincere and sarcastic apology. You think that I'm a bad person due to my Christian Conservatism. It's frustrating that people have your deluded view.
I don't think you are a bad person. I think Christian values are more closely aligned with those of the Muslim faith then most people care to admit.
I’ve been saying that
And the reaction I get from both groups is either offense or interest depending on the confidence level in their faith
The less confident are usually the ones offended !
You aren't qualified to judge my confidence.
Kill the infidel and oppress women and gays goes completely against the Christian values I hold. I subscribe to Jesus' "Love one another" teaching. The violence of the Old Testament went out the window with "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
I do apologize Jerry.
there are two 'kinds' of conservatives: social and fiscal.
A fiscal conservative is against deficit spending tends to want to reduce all government spending and lower taxes and balance the budget. I disagree but understand the logic.
A social conservatism often includes the belief that marriage is only between one man and one woman, that life begins at conception, that gender is determined by biology. It almost always reflects the teachings of conservative Christian, Jewish, and Muslim groups. For example, many believe that governments should not provide social welfare especially to foreigners.
I was taught that Jesus treated everyone the same, jews, and non-jews. Even though the rabbis and pharisees at that time taught that that foreigners did not need to be given the same rights as jews. Jesus went against that practice and taught that we are all brothers. I am glad that you agree.
I absofuckinglutely agree.
I'm with Jesus. He's a pretty freakin cool guy.
I lean to the right but I'm Libertarian. We ARE all brothers and sisters.
Sam Harris on the views of women in two cultures..
This is a horribly offensive and closed minded post. One does not choose their sex nor does one choose their parents politic believes, and yet you are impling us sons of conservatives creepy preverts?
Shame on you!
You call homophobic and racist logic is flawed, and then you turn right around and use the same flawed logic to imply BS toward to sons of conservatives... your implying is just as bad as the homophobic and racist. You're judging someone on something that they can't control. It's BS!
I didn't say they were perverts, I said no one taught them not to be perverts. Big difference.
Wrong, instead of saying we are perverts, you just implied it by saying no one taught us not to be perverts. It's the same thing...
And it's shameful that you would stoop that low
Aren't you a mod? And your throwing insults at others? WTF?
This post is sexist and discriminatory to towards males with conservative parents...
Methinks you protest too much. It says no such thing.
Maybe that's because you are thinking with your wrong head. Which would explain why you can't see what you wrote.
Of course you said that, Vic.
If none were perverts, then there wouldn't be any need to teach them not to be perverts.
"You too" what? A pervert?
Of course. I will stick my dick in anyone, even you.
Yeah, the subject of your debauchery has come up before.
Never use porn. I don't approve of it.
The real thing is all I need.
Now you're discriminating against porn stars?
They have to make a living too!
There once was a pervert named Vic,
Who said he would stick his old d*ck
In a chick picked at random,
But also, in tandem,
Would d*ck with a guy just as quick.
No denying that.
So Vic, now it seems you are bi.
Your profile says 'straight'; that's a lie?
Of such revelations
Are getting to be TMI.
Than stop digging.
Yeah, you're right Vic; it's like turning over a rock in the garden.
Liberal / Pagan / Hollywood logic: If it moves - phuck it! If it pleases you, do it again.
sexual misconduct is an issue that's not sex-oriented. I'd suggest people, period, shake-up their family, friends, distant relatives, and neighbors to keep their decency about others in check rather than worrying about which gender is at fault or you're going to have an imposible time turning things around!!!!!!
Yes teach you children to be respectable persons. Boys should not be aggressive or creepy towards women, and girls would do well to be ladies at all times.