Man-spreading doesn't exist. Man-splaining is explaining. Putting man in front of everything isn't doing anything. Imagine Man-eating or man-walking or man-sleeping.
You weren't with me that day on the subway. This guy had his leg spread so far out it was hampering mine - i mean...couldn't he see that?...I finally asked him to move it...which he did but not without irritation and annoyance.
Man-walking and -sleeping...you could be onto something...as men do have some distinct habits... Man-eating was a song directed at women I think in the 80s.
Women sometimes do spread their stuff around on other seats...which they need to stop doing...it's deters people from sitting down...this is public transit after all.
Yes...both sexes can have the same problems sometimes.
We've been unequal for so many years - once that is subliminally accepted without demur...then it will automatically follow that we are all equal...and that will be followed by...etc...as we continue to spiritually elevate.
People can say things all they want: things like I'm don't see colour, or I believe in equality...and I don't believe it...since the proof is in the subconscious and how can you prove that?
LOL...Seriously? Using the term sexist to describe climate control is utterly ridiculous. I would agree that climate controlled buildings are often chilly, but the cause is not misogyny. Please...
As to your statement, I have to disagree. Feminism remains necessary because sexism still exists. So does racism, anti-Semitism, heterosexism, agism, xenophobia, etc...That's the reality and we have to deal with it. I don't believe whether or not one lives in a "developed country" is relevant when it comes to discrimination or prejudice. Bigotry is always wrong. The fact that it's worse in other countries doesn't excuse us.
To me feminism means equality between the sexes. Socially, politically, economically, legally, etc...
Unfortunately we don't have that yet. Consider this...
Women who work full-time earn only 80.5 cents for every dollar earned by men.
Women hold about 52% of all the professional level jobs in America, but only about 14% of executive level positions are held by women. And only about 5% of Fortune 500 companies have a female CEO.
There are only 21 women in the senate and 83 women in the house. Only about 33% of all the state and federal judges are women.
The saying " You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain" is in play here, I think feminists should focus on places where women are in real oppression rather than focus on 1st world countries and make up new things like manspreading, pink tax and toxic masculinity.
That ship has sailed. They won't do that, that would require they genuinely care about women being oppressed. All they care about is finding offense...and when they can't find it, they create it. That's why "microagressions" have become such a big thing. Not only can they be offended when no offense was intended, they can be offended on behalf of others when no offense was intended and the people on whose behalf they are claiming offense aren't offended. It's really rather ingenious...and oppressive for everyone else.
Court doesn't handle much sexism because thats not the only thing they deal with. What sort of sexism do you see in your day to day? We may live in different worlds.
Also, I just wanted to state that because not stating that may cause miscommunication.
People telling women to get back in the kitchen, people saying women are horrible drivers, women should dress certain ways, women can't compete in certain things. Someone literally just told me that women shouldn't be allowed in the army on this website. Women's products are often priced higher, much of women's pants don't have pockets for the sake of selling handbags, women's rights are largely decided by men in countless countries. Do you really feel that sexism is not all over?
Of course, we hate women so much there is nothing else we would like to do than to remind the common woman that she's inferior, we totally don't have mothers or daughters and definitely have no reason to ever love women (sarcasm in case someone thinks I was serious)
Nope. Rape still happens, misogyny happens, wage disparity happens. You need to understand reality before you try to dismiss osmething that's there to improve life. Feminism is actually for the benefit of all humanity. It's not "anti-men"...it's anti misogyny, anti-rape, and anti toxic masculinity.
lol "toxic femininity"? That's not a thing. Furthermore no,those stats aren't all college campuses. And wage disparity is in me's favor so ...logic please. Misandry doesn't kill. Just educate yourself to reality, if you can.
When I said toxic femininity, I meant the female equivalent, and not the literal definition. The stats that aren't from college campuses don't matter because there is court for a reason. Wage disparity is not in men's favor. Stating the fact twice is doing nothing. The "wage gap" is just the average earnings of men and women, and doesn't account for anything else. If "misandry doesn't kill" is seriously one of your arguments then the wage gap, which doesn't exist, doesn't kill either?
Movements that advocate equality will be relevant and necessary as long as inequality exists
True and well said.
Nobody said that movements that advocate equality will not be relevant or unnecessary.
Actually I think that's exactly what the post says
If there's no feminism in developed countries who's going to stop me from man-spreading? Or man-splaining? or not being ashamed for being a male?
Can't do without us, huh? :)
Man-spreading doesn't exist. Man-splaining is explaining. Putting man in front of everything isn't doing anything. Imagine Man-eating or man-walking or man-sleeping.
You weren't with me that day on the subway. This guy had his leg spread so far out it was hampering mine - i mean...couldn't he see that?...I finally asked him to move it...which he did but not without irritation and annoyance.
Man-walking and -sleeping...you could be onto something...as men do have some distinct habits... Man-eating was a song directed at women I think in the 80s.
That doesn't sound like a problem for just men.
Women sometimes do spread their stuff around on other seats...which they need to stop doing...it's deters people from sitting down...this is public transit after all.
Yes...both sexes can have the same problems sometimes.
You just proved my point.
Ha. That doesn't take away from the man-spreading issue.
Then why is it MAN-spreading?
Women rarely sit that way.
Where is the proof for that?
You'd have to take the word of an oft-time public transit user.
I use public transport almost daily and nobody complains about "manspreading" or refusing to share space.
One would think, right? But no...even tho it looks like we've gotten some perks...we still have a ways to go until it's equal.
When is "equal" ever acheived for you?
When the realization of women being equal occurs subconsciously in all people. :)
Why is it just the realization of women and not also the realization of men?
We've been unequal for so many years - once that is subliminally accepted without demur...then it will automatically follow that we are all equal...and that will be followed by...etc...as we continue to spiritually elevate.
People can say things all they want: things like I'm don't see colour, or I believe in equality...and I don't believe it...since the proof is in the subconscious and how can you prove that?
It is equal then.
LOL...Seriously? Using the term sexist to describe climate control is utterly ridiculous. I would agree that climate controlled buildings are often chilly, but the cause is not misogyny. Please...
As to your statement, I have to disagree. Feminism remains necessary because sexism still exists. So does racism, anti-Semitism, heterosexism, agism, xenophobia, etc...That's the reality and we have to deal with it. I don't believe whether or not one lives in a "developed country" is relevant when it comes to discrimination or prejudice. Bigotry is always wrong. The fact that it's worse in other countries doesn't excuse us.
Too bad I can't upvote you more than once :)
Bigotry is wrong. But feminism isn't what it used to be. Sexism is illegal, so you can sue for sexism. Explain what feminism means, to you.
To me feminism means equality between the sexes. Socially, politically, economically, legally, etc...
Unfortunately we don't have that yet. Consider this...
Women who work full-time earn only 80.5 cents for every dollar earned by men.
Women hold about 52% of all the professional level jobs in America, but only about 14% of executive level positions are held by women. And only about 5% of Fortune 500 companies have a female CEO.
There are only 21 women in the senate and 83 women in the house. Only about 33% of all the state and federal judges are women.
I could go on and on and on...
Nothing is unnecessary.
That isn't proving anything, and isn't true. If you are for feminism, feminism isn't unnecessary. But is sexism necessary?
Good question. Philosophical I would say yes. Anything that exists is a necessary consequent of all the events that lead to its existence.
Something exist if, and only if, their antecedents exist and is therefore a necessary condition for the next eventuality.
So it's not "nothing is unnecessary," but "nothing comes from nothing".
Sometimes, I guess.
I need a little moire to go on here. Are you speaking of anything specific? I'm unaware of 'sexist air conditioning claims'.
Notice the news anchor is wearing a sleeveless outfit. 🤔
Oh my goodness. It's about the office temperature? I thought maybe the air conditioning trade favored men or something.
Put on a Sweater and get over it!
Agreed. Most of this crap has me shaking my head.
Hahaha, what else will they make up? So desperately searching for a purpose they will accuse everything of sexism.
I think that's why they have those "women's studies" classes/degrees at colleges now...to think up new ways to be offended.
The saying " You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain" is in play here, I think feminists should focus on places where women are in real oppression rather than focus on 1st world countries and make up new things like manspreading, pink tax and toxic masculinity.
That ship has sailed. They won't do that, that would require they genuinely care about women being oppressed. All they care about is finding offense...and when they can't find it, they create it. That's why "microagressions" have become such a big thing. Not only can they be offended when no offense was intended, they can be offended on behalf of others when no offense was intended and the people on whose behalf they are claiming offense aren't offended. It's really rather ingenious...and oppressive for everyone else.
Very, very well said.
Thank you, sir.
Oh. Good. Grief.
That is quite...disturbing.
In a dream, yes.
Lol... nicely put
Also in reality, yes.
Pretty sure sexism is still rampant in today's developed countries so I'm gonna have to disagree with this heavily.
First of all, sexism isn't "rampant". It isn't flourishing, and it isn't unchecked. There is court for a reason.
Also, noone said sexism was good.
Court doesn't handle much sexism. It's definitely rampant, I see way too much sexism in my day to day to call it anything other than rampant.
And you're right, no one said sexism was good, did something I say imply otherwise?
Court doesn't handle much sexism because thats not the only thing they deal with. What sort of sexism do you see in your day to day? We may live in different worlds.
Also, I just wanted to state that because not stating that may cause miscommunication.
People telling women to get back in the kitchen, people saying women are horrible drivers, women should dress certain ways, women can't compete in certain things. Someone literally just told me that women shouldn't be allowed in the army on this website. Women's products are often priced higher, much of women's pants don't have pockets for the sake of selling handbags, women's rights are largely decided by men in countless countries. Do you really feel that sexism is not all over?
gotta keep on that or men start pushing you down again.
Of course, we hate women so much there is nothing else we would like to do than to remind the common woman that she's inferior, we totally don't have mothers or daughters and definitely have no reason to ever love women (sarcasm in case someone thinks I was serious)
It's really the opposite now.
Nope. Rape still happens, misogyny happens, wage disparity happens. You need to understand reality before you try to dismiss osmething that's there to improve life. Feminism is actually for the benefit of all humanity. It's not "anti-men"...it's anti misogyny, anti-rape, and anti toxic masculinity.
Okay? For men; rape still happens, misandry happens, wage disparity happens. All those rape stats come from college campuses anyways.
Anyways why is it "anti misogyny, anti-rape, and anti toxic masculinity," And not also anti-misandry, and anti-toxic femininity?
lol "toxic femininity"? That's not a thing. Furthermore no,those stats aren't all college campuses. And wage disparity is in me's favor so ...logic please. Misandry doesn't kill. Just educate yourself to reality, if you can.
When I said toxic femininity, I meant the female equivalent, and not the literal definition. The stats that aren't from college campuses don't matter because there is court for a reason. Wage disparity is not in men's favor. Stating the fact twice is doing nothing. The "wage gap" is just the average earnings of men and women, and doesn't account for anything else. If "misandry doesn't kill" is seriously one of your arguments then the wage gap, which doesn't exist, doesn't kill either?