I didn't get it at first, but now I see what you mean. Far too soon!
Common sayings randomly displayed...or eerily relevant?
Today it's eerily relevant.
An aside you might appreciate:
That kid's jacket has proven an excellent litmus for the political sympathies of media organizations. You can easily discern their flavor based on what pins they've chosen to report on his jacket and which ones they've omitted. Still frustrating when they behave exactly as one would expect.
Indeed, after seeing the duster I watched for just that and they all played their parts flawlessly. Knowing they would, it is what has largely gone unmentioned that is notable, imo.
Think he expected that?
Sure as hell seems that way. jmo That would be interesting, yeah?
I think he may have, at least in part. He gave an explanation for each of the symbols on the duster. He neglected to do so for the two on the hat. Did he do that intentionally, or sub/unconsciously?
It would be interesting to know, of course, but also enlightening. Unfortunately, even were one gifted with truly accurate discernment into the honesty of the shooter, we'll likely never hear anything, or even see him beyond possibly one or two brief court hearings where he'll stand mute.
The majority of the time such shooters commit suicide, whether by their own hand or by cop. We now have had three in rapid succession who were taken into custody. I predict we will hear nothing, from any of them. It has become almost a mantra for the police and the media to ignore the people (often refusing to use their names beyond preliminary reports) and only focus on the crimes...and what "we, as a society, are going to do about it", of course. While understandable in the sense that we do not want to glorify them and have others emulate their crimes, it is also shortsighted in that we can never address a problem we never identify. The shootings are not the problem, they are result of leaving the problem(s) unidentified and unaddressed.
I think that is a key point. I understand the desire not to give publicity to the shooter, and from a pragmatic standpoint, it's important that we don't give people a reason to want to become famous through mass killing, but that doesn't mean that we should not try and understand the mental state of these shooters. If we want to know what sets them off, we are going to have to talk to them and listen to what they say, no matter how difficult that may be.
Yes, and while they may have or allow someone in mental health/psychology to interview and evaluate them, possibly even with that very purpose in mind, the public is unlikely ever to be apprised of the findings. And, as Fork points out, whatever evaluation is done is likely to have bias involved, and only be concerned with "justice", rather than prevention.
And the public needs to know. Parents, teachers, and other adults that interact with kids regularly, other kids, and even the kids prone to such extremes themselves need to have some understanding of problems/signs so that symptoms can be addressed before they become historical records.
Exactly! We desperately need the answers to these questions.
All of that is what was circling my head as I was considering how much of this is symbolically present in that jacket.
How do you solve problems in a society devoid of trust? Desperate days are ahead if we fail...
That we do.
I don't think the authorities, professionals, or society has a grasp on the import of symbology. We've discussed that some, and I have looked into it further, too. Symbols are everywhere. They are in advertising, movies, music, memes, everywhere...and kids, as kids do, tend to latch onto symbols they see frequently or that appeal to them - either because they have a skewed understanding of their meanings or just because they take a shine to something for whatever reason. Some attach great import to the historical meanings, even when unknown to those who adopt the symbols, while others blow it all off as meaningless phases kids go through. My thoughts on it are off in a different direction. I think they are both more and less important than people realize...that won't make sense to most, but you may get my meaning.
Trust is sorely lacking today. A symptom of the growing divide within our society. I find myself going back and forth between hope and despair that will change.
I think I understand exactly what you mean.
While I agree, it seems futile given the inability to trust people to understand their own motives, much less be earnest about them. Adults struggle with it, I doubt a kid wouldn't.
And we rely almost entirely on the psychiatric evaluation of the courts... No bias there, you know? lol
Saying it and doing are definitely two different things.
Perhaps I should have said different, rather than interesting. I don't recall another instance like that. Which would separate this from the others. Noteworthy.
And yes, also noteworthy that they're all still alive. I agree, most of the real problems go ignored as usual.
Do you mean the mixed messages from the symbology he displayed? Yes and no and I don't know. Without some explanation from him, it's impossible to know just what, if anything, he intended. He gave his reasoning for choosing those he did explain, but I doubt he had any in-depth understanding of what they originally represented.
I think very few who sport such symbols today do. And then we have the media and the public who, by and large, don't either. Each attaching their own (usually garbled and ignorant) significance to them. Then everyone argues over it all, with few knowing the true significance of each and none of us knowing anything beyond his single-word descriptors.
Oh I agree, it is impossible to know. But still worth pointing out. That would be odd indeed, were it the case.
Agreed on those who sport them, too.
Too soon? Am I the only one that caught that?
The kid that shot up a school yesterday in Texas.
The Nazi and Communist pins on this jacket:
I do too, online media outlets seem more inclined to play these sorts of games though.
I was mentioning to Bozette that yesterday as I watched the media reporting on the pins on his jacket, you could easily discern which media outlets were sympathetic to what politics based one how they reported on those pins. Some were mentioned, others omitted. Sad because that's exactly what many who feel disenfranchised would expect.
Some reported only on the Nazi pin, others only on the Communist pin. Some really want to provide the whole facts, but just could bear to do it... They reported on a Nazi pin and a "hammer and sickle" pin, with no mention of its Communist roots.
Was something of a litmus... Just a weird thing I noticed. Boz notices weird things too :)
The way in which society immediately seeks an ideology to blame for this is sick. People breathe a sigh of relief when they find out a killer was a member of the "other side". It's that kind of crap that will probably only create more killers to come.
What gets me is those in media know full well there's a growing platform that distrusts media for that very reason, political bias.
But rather than act above reproach, they behave as expected. And it really makes you wonder why, you know?
"It's that kind of crap that will probably only create more killers to come."
Ahh, guess I didn't understand what you were asking. The shooter was Greek. I grabbed a screenshot because in that context, the quote sticks out. The site added "Fun / Jokes" on its own, I selected facepalm. That's what I did when I saw it.
IT's weird how they have a pin from two opposing parties. Probably a moron who just wanted to offend everyone. The more people you want to offend the less intelligent you are.
Never thought of that as a potential measurement, but you might have something there...
Somebody gave you a horse?
And I beat the shit out of it, huh?
Safest option if it's a wooden Greek horse.
Trojans: good for a hard-on, bad for your hard drive.))
I didn't get the hard drive part but right on
A trojan is a kind of malware disguised as genuine computer software. Unlike a virus, a trojan doesn’t self-replicate.
Very nice ;)