People who disagree with universal healthcare should not receive help from firefighters when their house catches on fire. Why should they accept services paid for by everyone else? It literally goes against their philosophy.
I would gladly pay for services I use when I use them. Now we pay for everyone else and they use the services and it is too expensive for us use them and we keep importing nonpaying people to pay for. It's just crazy that all we get out of it is the bills.
Property tax is already a thing, as is the income tax. So long as people are being extorted for being productive, they're entitled to the same basic services. imo
If a country is doing fine with money universal care is a great deal, you pay higher taxes but you dont have to sell your damn house to pay for treatment
Sure, the more government control, the better, in certain liberal political quarters.
French govt spending (national, regional, local) amounts to 56.5% of GDP. There are those who would like to see US govt spending (federal, state, local) of 37.8% GDP rise to that level. That would "only" require American taxes to be raised 50% over what they are now.
If my house burns, it will take the whole neighborhood with it, so the VOLUNTEER fire company HAS to respond. Why do you hate innocent neighbors and bystanders?
Here's the way it works. When most people pay their own medical bills, the doctor sits down with the patient and they discuss options and costs and decide what to do. When most people have insurance, that discussion does not take place. Tests and second opinions that would otherwise have been optional are automatic. The doctor hires more staff to fill out the insurance forms and keep extensive records. The doctor has to have the latest equipment to be sure his diagnoses are legally defensible. Everybody knows the bills are covered, and services are assumed to be competent. All of this, the extra tests, the second opinions, the documentation, the equipment, has to be paid for, and the cost goes on the patient's bill. The insurance company's only concern is that charges are necessary and reasonable.
Please notice that I have not suggested any form of deception. All of this is normal, honest, and unavoidable. Increased medical costs are automatic when most people have insurance.
But normal market forces are still at work. Demand is limitless, but services are scarce. In a normal market, demand is controlled by costs. When that restraint is removed some other method must be found to keep demand equal to supply. One way to limit demand is to make patients wait. When there aren't enough doctors to treat people as fast as they come in, patients must wait. Those that can't or won't wait go away. Travel to a treatment center has the same effect. When the market is controlled by costs, people who really need treatment can get it by paying the cost. When the market is controlled by some other method, individuals are prevented from making their own decisions about what they really need. They can only get treatment by waiting, or by obtaining some sort of official approval or professional reference, that is to say, by political influence.
lol, if its paid for they should use it regardless. in a free society it would all be privately funded (and no the world would not end, private industry generally does things better then government)
The government tries to potray themselves as all knowing, but that is hardly the case. Unless there was a new branch of government just for it, it would never happen. Everyone gets charged but those with insurance have insurance pay for it so it is kinda already happening.
People with universal healthcare should not be in house fires.
It may take 3 - 6 weeks to get a doctor appointment.
Typical liberal. Doesn't think
that far ahead.I would gladly pay for services I use when I use them. Now we pay for everyone else and they use the services and it is too expensive for us use them and we keep importing nonpaying people to pay for. It's just crazy that all we get out of it is the bills.
Property tax is already a thing, as is the income tax. So long as people are being extorted for being productive, they're entitled to the same basic services. imo
If a country is doing fine with money universal care is a great deal, you pay higher taxes but you dont have to sell your damn house to pay for treatment
The question makes no sense, unless I had the option of not being forced to pay into the service in question.
If I had the option of not paying in, then of course I wouldn't expect to use the service, if I had exercised that option.
... and THAT is why they want a "single-payer" system. Tack it on to your taxes, same as paying for fire/police.
Sure, the more government control, the better, in certain liberal political quarters.
French govt spending (national, regional, local) amounts to 56.5% of GDP. There are those who would like to see US govt spending (federal, state, local) of 37.8% GDP rise to that level. That would "only" require American taxes to be raised 50% over what they are now.
https://tradingeconomics.com/co...pending-to-gdp
If my house burns, it will take the whole neighborhood with it, so the VOLUNTEER fire company HAS to respond. Why do you hate innocent neighbors and bystanders?
Here's the way it works. When most people pay their own medical bills, the doctor sits down with the patient and they discuss options and costs and decide what to do. When most people have insurance, that discussion does not take place. Tests and second opinions that would otherwise have been optional are automatic. The doctor hires more staff to fill out the insurance forms and keep extensive records. The doctor has to have the latest equipment to be sure his diagnoses are legally defensible. Everybody knows the bills are covered, and services are assumed to be competent. All of this, the extra tests, the second opinions, the documentation, the equipment, has to be paid for, and the cost goes on the patient's bill. The insurance company's only concern is that charges are necessary and reasonable.
Please notice that I have not suggested any form of deception. All of this is normal, honest, and unavoidable. Increased medical costs are automatic when most people have insurance.
But normal market forces are still at work. Demand is limitless, but services are scarce. In a normal market, demand is controlled by costs. When that restraint is removed some other method must be found to keep demand equal to supply. One way to limit demand is to make patients wait. When there aren't enough doctors to treat people as fast as they come in, patients must wait. Those that can't or won't wait go away. Travel to a treatment center has the same effect. When the market is controlled by costs, people who really need treatment can get it by paying the cost. When the market is controlled by some other method, individuals are prevented from making their own decisions about what they really need. They can only get treatment by waiting, or by obtaining some sort of official approval or professional reference, that is to say, by political influence.
If it's "paid for by everyone else" ... why can't my friend afford to go to a doctor, now that the ACA is law?
lol, if its paid for they should use it regardless. in a free society it would all be privately funded (and no the world would not end, private industry generally does things better then government)
If government mandated healthcare schemes are so good, why don't doctors go to doctors?
Knowing what they know, they choose to die at home with their dignity intact.
The government tries to potray themselves as all knowing, but that is hardly the case. Unless there was a new branch of government just for it, it would never happen. Everyone gets charged but those with insurance have insurance pay for it so it is kinda already happening.