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The term "white" is used in different contexts and to different nationalities, if it benefits race baiters.

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A good example is George Zimmerman, who is Hispanic and identifies as Hispanic. After he shot Trayvon Martin, he was classified by the media and the left, as white. The left and the media always claim that whites are prejudice against Hispanics, but will say they are the race when it supports their agenda.

I did a little digging and basically the numbers they're using are crap. The first clue I got to this was how Politifact https://www.politifact.com/trut...hos-behind-it/ showed domestic terrorism was roughly half far right and half Muslim with no mention of any leftist terrorism whatsoever. How is that possible? Well, it comes down to definitions.

According to the US government source cited by Politifact:
"FBI’s terrorism definition excludes important categories of crimes:
– Excludes NON-federal (i.e., state) prosecutions
– Excludes ideologically motivated crimes committed by lone-wolf perpetrators
– Excludes incidents where group did not claim responsibility
– Excludes non-violent ideologically motivated crimes
– Excludes non-ideological/routine crimes"
https://www.orau.gov/DHSsummit/...rmak_Mar17.pdf

When the numbers being cited for a claim are so dubious, the claim itself is highly questionable. The fact that such dubious claims are being tossed around like they're the gospel truth should tell you something about the true nature of the situation.

@Maze I did a little digging and basically the numbers they're using are crap. The first clue I got to this was how...

well things like statistics are only formed to further an agenda otherwise they would be fact. I'm done with fact anyway , i'm a philosopher, I am the center of my infinitely expanding universe just as you are of yours. we have so many unanswered questions that we can't always count on predetermined fact. we need more intuition and instincts. all our highest ranked students just regurgitate the facts handed to them from their teachers . they can't think for themselves , they don't know how to learn.
My universe is very dynamic and changes constantly. I have the ability to forget things that truly don't matter. i'm wrong sometimes , i'm ok with that , but to some people to be wrong would bring down their universe.

@unknowncondition well things like statistics are only formed to further an agenda otherwise they would be fact. I'm done with fact...

I think it's good to draw a distinction between what you personally know to be true and what you've simply been told is true. School fills your head with lots of "facts," and doesn't encourage you to question those facts, your job is simply to absorb and regurgitate them. It does give you a semblance of knowledge, but much of what you learn isn't really knowledge in the sense that you personally know it to be true, it's closer to belief. You kind of have to take it on faith that it's true.

For me, the period of my life following school involved weighing the "facts" I learned against what I observed in the real world and kind of weeding out the bullshit.

As I see it, philosophy is the pursuit of truth, because without truth there can be no insight into the nature of reality, only insight into a man's mind unconnected to reality - essentially the rantings of a madman.

You can't control truth, it's not up to you whether the sun comes up, it's just something you observe.

@Maze I think it's good to draw a distinction between what you personally know to be true and what you've simply been...

people say I have a problem with authority and I think it's because authority tells me what's best for them , not myself

@unknowncondition people say I have a problem with authority and I think it's because authority tells me what's best for them , not myself

Yes, that's a problem, and probably always will be too. As they say, power corrupts. That's part of why I'm into the Bible, I think it's good to have an unchanging set of principles to guide you in life.

Wisdom is valuable because it can be incredibly costly to acquire personally: lessons can play out over decades, be very painful, and life is only so long. I consider Christian philosophy a leg up on life, that's probably why they want people to steer clear of it, that old "authority tells me what's best for them, not myself" thing again.

Not to say I'm a major churchy, I'm skeptical of power structures in general, and I don't like to rely exclusively on others to teach me, even if they have the best will in the world. I don't like to be served knowledge, I prefer to drink from the tap. So I read the Bible, I turn one page daily and when I get to the end, I start over.

A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.
Proverbs 16:9

@Maze Yes, that's a problem, and probably always will be too. As they say, power corrupts. That's part of why I'm into...

yeah creation makes more sense then science to me these days … at least the bible stays the same .. however the Vatican may be personification of the devil.. "god listens but the devil answers "

@Maze I did a little digging and basically the numbers they're using are crap. The first clue I got to this was how...

Do you have any examples of leftist terrorism since you seem to believe they're just as likely to commit heinous acts of terror?

@Skr3wBall Do you have any examples of leftist terrorism since you seem to believe they're just as likely to commit heinous...

Remember this story?

Alexandria shooting: GOP's Steve Scalise among 5 wounded
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/al...tims-reported/

Scalise critical, shooter ID'd as James Hodgkinson
https://www.foxnews.com/us/scal...mes-hodgkinson

James Thomas Hodgkinson’s Facebook page features a banner image of Senator Bernie Sanders and a profile picture about Democratic Socialism.
https://heavy.com/news/2017/06/...fied-illinois/

Or how about this one?

"Federal prosecutors said Boucher "had enough" after he witnessed Rand Paul stack brush into a pile on his own lawn, but near Boucher's property. Boucher then ran onto Paul's property and tackled him."

"Paul was wearing headphones at the time while mowing his lawn in Bowling Green, Kentucky, when he was attacked from behind by Boucher."

"Paul suffered five rib fractures, including three displaced fractures, and later required medical attention for pneumonia."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politic...ighbor-n839366

Really? They expect me to believe the guy was set off by Rand Paul stacking brush in a pile on his own property? That doesn't make any sense as a motivation to attack someone. Also, Paul was mowing the lawn when he was assaulted, not stacking brush.

"There, they arrested Dr. Rene Boucher, a 59-year-old registered Democrat."
Just a coincidence I suppose.
"Dr. Boucher Was a Pain Specialist" Yeah, I'll bet he knows exactly where to hit someone to cause pain. 5 broken ribs? That's got to hurt.
https://heavy.com/news/2017/11/...-paul-assault/

"Rand Paul: I had the pain of 1,000 knives"
https://www.cnn.com/videos/poli...s-wolf-sot.cnn

'A disturbed person': The mystery behind the attack on Rand Paul grows
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...=.e2961d8dc570

"New Details: Rand Paul's Assailant Identified as Socialist"
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/g...story-n2405493

Or how about antifa?

"A confidential intelligence report by the DHS and the FBI accused [Antifa] of attacks on police, government and political institutions"
"It described some of their activities as "domestic terrorist violence"."
https://www.independent.co.uk/n...-a7927881.html

And then there's the low level terroristic violence:

June 2016:

– Protesters jumped on cars, stole hats, fought with and threw eggs at Trump supporters outside a Trump rally in downtown San Jose, Calif. Trump supporters sued San Jose over the violence.

July 2016:

-A Hillary Clinton supporter lights a flag on fire and attacks a Trump supporter in Pittsburgh.

August 2016:

-Anti-Trump protesters attacked pushed, spit on and verbally harassed attendees forced to walk a “gauntlet” as they left a Trump fundraiser in Minneapolis, Minn., and beat an elderly man. Protesters also attacked Trump’s motorcade.

–A Tennessee man was assaulted at a garage sale for being a Trump supporter.

-A Trump supporter in New Jersey was attacked with a crowbar on the street.

September 2016:

-Protesters in El Cajon, Calif., chased and beat up a Trump supporter.

October 2016:

-A GOP office in North Carolina was firebombed and spray painted with “Nazi Republicans get out of town or else.”

November 2016:

-A high school student was attacked after she wrote that she supported Trump on social media. The perpetrator ripped her glasses off and punched her in the face.

-The president of Cornell University’s College Republicans was assaulted the night after Trump won the election.

-Students protesting Trump punched and kicked a Maryland high school student wearing a Make America Great Again hat.

-A high school student was arrested in Florida after he punched a classmate for carrying a Trump sign at school.

-A group of black men in Chicago attacked a white man while raging against Trump.

-Maryland high school students punched a student who was demonstrating in support of Trump, and then kicked him repeatedly while he was on the ground.

-“You support Trump. You hate Mexicans,” a California high school student yelled at a Trump supporter, before viciously beating the girl.

-An anti-bullying ambassador was arrested for shoving a 74-year-old man to the ground in a fight outside Trump tower where people upset over his win had gathered. The woman tied to Black Lives Matter caused the man to hit his head on the sidewalk.

-A Texas elementary school student was beaten by his classmates for voting for Trump in a mock election.

-Two men punched and kicked a Connecticut man who was standing with an American flag and a Trump sign.

December 2016:

-A Trump supporter was beaten and dragged by a car.

January 2017:

-A Trump supporter was knocked unconscious after airport protesters repeatedly beat him on the head.

-A Trump supporter was attacked after putting out a fire started by anti-Trump protesters.

-When Trump protesters encountered a driver with a pro-Trump flag on his car, they surrounded the vehicle, ripped off and began burning the flag, and pounded the car. They also punctured the tires.

February 2017:

-California GOP Rep. Tom McClintock had to be escorted to his car after a town hall because of angry protesters. The tires of at least four vehicles were slashed.

-Protestors knocked a 71-year-old female staffer for California GOP Rep. Dana Rohrabacher unconscious during a protest outside the representative’s office.

-Milo Yiannopoulos speech at the University of California-Berkeley was cancelled after rioters set the campus on fire and threw rocks through windows. Milo tweeted that one of his supporters wearing a Trump hat was thrown to the ground and kicked.

March 2017:

-Masked protesters at Middlebury College rushed AEI scholar and political scientist Charles Murray and professor Allison Stranger, pushing and shoving Murray and grabbing Stranger by her hair and twisting her neck as they were leaving a campus building. Stranger suffered a concussion. Protesters then surrounded the car they got into, rocking it back and forth and jumping on the hood.

April 2017:

-A parade in Portland, Ore.,was canceled after threats of violence were made against a Republican organization.

-Fears of violent protests shut down Ann Coulter’s UC Berkeley speech. Campus police had gathered intel on protesters who were planning to commit violence.

May 2017:

– Republican Rep. Tom Garrett, his family and his dog were targeted by a series of repeated death threats deemed credible by authorities.

-FBI agents arrested a person for threatening to shoot Republican Rep. Martha McSally over her support for Trump.

-Police in Tennessee charged a woman for allegedly trying to run Republican Rep. David Kustoff off the road.

-Police in North Dakota ejected a man after he became physical with Republican Rep. Kevin Cramer at a town hall.

-A former professor was arrested after police said they identified him on video beating Trump supporters with a U-shaped bike lock, leaving three people with “significant injuries.”

June 2017:

-James Hodgkinson opened fire on a congressional GOP baseball practice, injuring five, including House Majority Whip Steve Scalise.

-Republican Rep. Claudia Tenney received an email threat that read, “One down, 216 to go,” shortly after the shooting at the Republican congressional baseball practice.

-A man driving a white Malibu reportedly fired several shots at a man driving a truck displaying a “Make America Great Again” flag in Indiana.

https://dailycaller.com/2017/06...-mind-blowing/

@Maze Remember this story? Alexandria shooting: GOP's Steve Scalise among 5...

Terrorism, let's stick to the point here. I could list an equal, if not greater list of examples of trump supporters harrassing or assaulting various people for politically charged reasons, but this is about terrorism. Maryland high school student punching a bigot in the face isn't terrorism, neither is an assault that stemmed from lawn debris. Terrorism such as what white nationalists, nazis, klansmen, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, and those similar have produced. James Hodgkinson was a great example for you, how common is something like that incident?

@Skr3wBall Terrorism, let's stick to the point here. I could list an equal, if not greater list of examples of trump...

"I could list an equal, if not greater list of examples of trump supporters harrassing or assaulting various people for politically charged reasons"

Please do.

@Skr3wBall Terrorism, let's stick to the point here. I could list an equal, if not greater list of examples of trump...

only a bigot would get violent over words written on a sign or hat.. terrorism isn't necessarily an act of violence, it's the fear people feel when they can't express themselves in school or public. it actually becomes a hate crime when you act out against these type of ideas
work is a special place where opinions can be suppressed if your boss says so because they are paying you to behave a certain way.

@unknowncondition only a bigot would get violent over words written on a sign or hat.. terrorism isn't necessarily an act of...

being terrified and being terrorized are not the same. also if you choose to wear a hat or put up a sign, you should prepare to deal with the consequences of it. it's not a hate crime to hit someone for promoting racism on their clothing.

@Skr3wBall being terrified and being terrorized are not the same. also if you choose to wear a hat or put up a sign, you...

yes it is ...it's also assault , something that the person wearing the offensive hat avoided but you believe your justified to hit on your own beliefs , this is called fascism

@Maze Still waiting for that list...

I'll avoid the KKK even though they officially endorsed Trump, so this is me being generous to the both of you. Also, I'm only doing specifically trump supporters, not any old white nationalist, just the ones that have openly supported Donald Trump, (a much smaller sample size than the entire left wing, should be harder for me)

The murder of Heather Heyer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...lle_car_attack

Parkland Shooter: https://newsone.com/3841685/par...rump-maga-hat/

The "MAGA" Bomber: https://www.npr.org/2018/10/26/...-packages-case

Guy imitates Trump campaign manager while pulling a gun on ICE protestors: https://www.washingtonpost.com/...=.2cf1e411fd02

Another gun pulled by a trump supporter over a disagreement: https://www.nbcnews.com/storyli...idates-n680711

a very literal terroristic threat: https://patch.com/new-york/broo...s-senator-feds

Plethora of violent threats and terroristic intentions: https://heavy.com/news/2016/10/...ants-refugees/

Another mass shooter trump supporter: https://www.washingtonpost.com/...=.6a905ff7194f

another bomber: https://www.washingtonpost.com/...=.50bf13c47b95

Another shooter: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/cr...-shirt-n875571

And here are multiple instances of misc. violence: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/wor...hing-protester

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/ele...ld-trump-rally

https://www.bostonglobe.com/met...6KI/story.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/...ect/353963001/

https://www.alternet.org/2017/0...acist-youtube/

https://www.independent.co.uk/n...-a7411116.html

https://www.washingtonblade.com...ay-man-report/

https://www.miamiherald.com/new...134965699.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/n...-a7403876.html

Feel free to explore this map of several reported criminal acts done in Trump's name in America: https://americasvoice.org/trumphatemap/

"One in five perpetrators of hate violence incidents referenced President Trump, a Trump policy, or a Trump campaign slogan, underlining a strong link between President Trump’s anti-Muslim agenda and hate violence post-election."
http://saalt.org/wp-content/upl...es-on-Fire.pdf

https://www.pri.org/stories/201...esident-s-name

I'm sick of looking at stuff like this, so I'm finished for now, this is merely the tip of the iceberg of course, I didn't even go through twitter videos of trump supporters getting out of line. Also the body count is already ridiculously high just from what I posted due to the sheer amount of bombers and shooters that love Trump.

Here's a bonus of Donald Trump himself encouraging violence on someone who has opinions he doesn't like: YouTube video thumbnail

@Skr3wBall I'll avoid the KKK even though they officially endorsed Trump, so this is me being generous to the both of you...

thank for your efforts.. saying something and doing something are clearly different .most of these were stopped before violence happened (thank you America )

Who says she's afraid of white people? She might even know white people are the majority! I've heard enough people say things like "not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are muslims". to believe a good chunk of people dont believe white terrorists exist. Its worth pointing out to some people make no mistake.

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because that is the only event that happened right? my goodness what rock do you live under?

@deusvult because that is the only event that happened right? my goodness what rock do you live under?

CNN and MSNBN rock no doubt. juts look at europe, must have one strong left wing propaganda lens if you can look at europe and not see their is a huge issue with fake refugees destroying their countries

Well duh it's more likely for criminals to be of the race of the majority.

anyone who tries to say we must be unbiased are biased themselves, and probably left wing biased, I had two different proffessors, one who taught to be "unbiased" and his bias was a strong bias against anything conservative, and the other, freely admitted everyone had biases, he was the best professor, he taught us to to think and how to think critically and not just accept what the media or anyone tells us as fact. guess which one was fired while the other was not.

so sad. fact is muslims are more LIKELY to kill someone then a white man, but liberals want us to hate the friends and befriend the enemy

@deusvult anyone who tries to say we must be unbiased are biased themselves, and probably left wing biased, I had two...

you as a human have the right to avoid someone, It's illegal to hurt them but please tell everyone how you honestly feel. the new left hating or fearing the new right don't realize they are enjoying the freedoms won by the intellectuals of this world regardless of political agenda, however they feel someone needs to be blamed. they get triggered and express the hate they are trying to defeat and act out physically or judicially. I predict were gonna see a whole wave of woman terrorist very soon. More people are waking up to these wrongs and insane people who have been hiding and surviving in all this backward logic will have nowhere to go but violence.

@deusvult anyone who tries to say we must be unbiased are biased themselves, and probably left wing biased, I had two...

Muslims aren't more likely to kill anyone than any other group of people, in fact, historically I'm near certain Christians (without the several century headstart) have the largest body count, you'd be surprised how many murders have been performed by the papacy alone. Muslims are not your enemy, your irrational fear of the religious group is your enemy.

"Do they still teach that in school" When you were in school 9/11 hadn't even happened. They probably JUST added it to world history classes since the kids can no longer remember it happening and were born after it. Also, are you insinuating that because of one terrorist attack in 2001 that people of middle eastern or islamic descent are the most likely candidates for American terrorism?

Anyway, here's a source, https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf April 2017, outlines the terrorist attacks on America from the day after 9/11 to the last day of 2016. You'll notice how many times "Neo-Nazi" or "white supremacist" comes up against the one time that radical Islamist does, the number of fatalities is only close between those of any Islamic descent and those who are white supremacists due to Omar Mateen and the Pulse Nightclub Shooting.

@Skr3wBall "Do they still teach that in school" When you were in school 9/11 hadn't even happened. They probably JUST added it...

i can agree with you here those two groups are mostly wrongly blamed.. the same way as if your a white cop a shoot a black suspect they are automatically racist

@unknowncondition i can agree with you here those two groups are mostly wrongly blamed.. the same way as if your a white cop a shoot...

all white dudes are supremist and all middle eastern are Muslim, all blacks are innocent. that is what (someone ??) wants you to believe

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