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Guns are so dangerous even fake ones kill people, amirite?

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Cops shoot you just in case it's a real one.

It wasn't a fake gun. It was a real gun used as a prop.

Missannthropics avatar Missannthropic Yeah You Are +4Reply

it's too bad Baldwin wasn't familiar with basic gun safety, this easily would have been prevented.

Thee-Apple-Lords avatar Thee-Apple-Lord Yeah You Are +4Reply
@Thee-Apple-Lord it's too bad Baldwin wasn't familiar with basic gun safety, this easily would have been prevented.

The prop person is also to blame since they get everything ready for the actors to use. It's not all Baldwin's fault.

@swiggybaby The prop person is also to blame since they get everything ready for the actors to use. It's not all Baldwin's fault.

it's not all his fault, but he could have prevented it with base level gun safety knowledge. I don't even own guns myself but I know this should never have happened, and Baldwin being the one who pulled the trigger holds most of the responsibility.

Larny2019s avatar Larny2019 Yeah You Are +8Reply
@Larny2019 it's not all his fault, but he could have prevented it with base level gun safety knowledge. I don't even own guns...

He was supposed to pull the trigger. They do that in movies. The gun is supposed to be loaded with blanks. They fire them. So, whoever loaded it, did it wrong. BUT they also said it could have been a mechanical malfunction. They don't know yet.

Hatchadis avatar Hatchadi Yeah You Are +5Reply
@swiggybaby The prop person is also to blame since they get everything ready for the actors to use. It's not all Baldwin's fault.

Sure. But safety is about measures in layers. If i was going to be using anything that could be putting others lives at risk, i would want to personally check that it's being done as safely as possible.

A bunch of things had to go wrong for this to happen (1 why was there live ammo on set, 2 why was it loaded into a firearm being used for filming), but ultimately Baldwin pointed the gun and pulled the trigger; ignorant or not, he has to live with that and one family has lost a mother and another person has been injured.

There should be some kind of safe firearms handling certificate or license for actors who are going to be f***ing with guns, so that they know the difference between a blank and a projectile (it's not hard) and know safe handling basics.

Moreover, how a film crew was on the other end of even a blank firing gun is beyond me. It's 2021 and any camera in the direction of a gun being discharged can 100% be controlled remotely. That seems like a massive oversight on the part of the entire production.

@Mcgee0 Sure. But safety is about measures in layers. If i was going to be using anything that could be putting others...

The guns for filming are supposed to be loaded with blanks. They are supposed to fire them during filming. They are saying it was either loaded wrong, or a mechanical malfunction. They are not sure just yet.

I feel.bad he has to live with this, but it's not all on him to blame. Multiple people should have checked it out before filming. A cop should have been on set and checked it. Or some sort of firearm person.

@Mcgee0 Sure. But safety is about measures in layers. If i was going to be using anything that could be putting others...

So a few things here, but the long short is there's a lot of rules exactly like you laid out in place, particularly for any set that would have Alec Baldwin on it. There was a famous death of Brandon Lee where a real bullet was loaded into a gun and was shot at him that put all these things into place. That's why it's so shocking that it even happened. All of those things exist (or safety measures providing a similar protection) and yet an accident happened due to what could have only been a long line of errors.

The round that was fired was a blank, but even blanks can be deadly at close range because they still fire a projectile made of either paper or rubber that breaks up, loses speed and becomes harmless after about 10 yards. Problems happen if you're in that 10 yards though, as we had here.

Cheytuflyas avatar Cheytuflya Yeah You Are +7Reply
@Thee-Apple-Lord it's too bad Baldwin wasn't familiar with basic gun safety, this easily would have been prevented.

It occurred to yesterday that normal gun safety practice cannot apply. The nature of movie-making is that I take a gun, point it at somebody, and pull the trigger.

It needs to be an entirely different set of safety steps.

@LookAnAltAccount It occurred to yesterday that normal gun safety practice cannot apply. The nature of movie-making is that I take a...

isn't normal gun safety checking every single gun in your hands to make sure it's not loaded? there's no feasible reason actors can't do this before filming a scene holding a gun, prop or not. guns should be checked multiple times by different people, even on movie sets where this sort of incident has happened many times before.

Should Alex Baldwin even be making action movies?

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