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I have always had jobs that I worked the night/late shifts... working weekend nights while in highschool, being a bouncer, bartender, even when I worked at a gym it was a 24 hour gym and I happily took the night shift, I am just way more awake and productive on that schedule, even my days off I will sleep in in the morning and stay up later
You're right, but there is something incredibly good for the soul about getting up at 5 AM and getting a workout in, and then beginning the day. I always feel like I'm starting from behind waking up late.
The only time waking up at 5 am makes me feel good is when I am going on a trip. Any other times it makes me feel miserable lol. I like the quiet midnight breeze and listening to all the bugs chirping.
I feel miserable for the first 15 and then incredible after lol
If I wake up anything earlier than 8am I have to take a nap by like 4 pm. I do not know why but I need at least 12 hrs of sleep to compensate when I wake up early. But normal 7-8 hrs when I sleep late. This is why I choose the off shift schedule, no judgement from the early risers.
As someone who wakes up at this time for work everyday, I can say my soul is dying
Waking up at 5am has never left me feeling any way but like crap. Even when I've had to do it for prolonged periods due to jobs. My body desperately wants to be asleep until the sun is up and nothing seems to change that. Even at the longest days of summer 5am is only twilight before sunrise. Aside from june and july 5am is solidly night. Overall I'd call waking up at 5am awful for my soul and the resulting caffeine and energy drinks dependence awful for my health.
What's good, needing a nap at 1:00 that afternoon?
Some of us can't nap lol
That makes needing the 1:00 nap even worse
And this is where your entire argument falls apart as the "soul" has zero evidence of actually existing
Username checks out lolol
Nice dude lol
I do this as well and it's great. If I wake up later in the day, I feel like I'm missing out on daylight.
I don't do it lol but I wish I did!
I completely agree. What severely sucks is by 2pm, my energy and concentration is really waning, but the work day goes until 5-6 ofc.
Feels great to get a workout in at 11 pm too
Yes. My mom fought with her brother over this for years (like as adults) and they always accused her of being lazy and letting us be lazy
If it's because they work later shifts, literally nobody cares. If it's a day off, nobody cares. Most people I know who do this are my age (30) and have no job, are supported 100% by their parents and openly brag that they're playing video games until 4AM, this giving the stereotype a shred of validity.
I'm not fully functional until noon.
"I CaNt SlEeP EaRlY MaN I HaVe InSoMnIa"
Plays vidéo games untill 2 am then scrolls cellphone untill 4 am in bed
Because society has instilled in us that not going to bed early and waking up early is "bad" when factually, a percentage of the population are genetically predisposed to being night owls and thus late risers. This is normal and fine. We need to get rid of the stigma for this.
Agreed. I'm in my 40s and my parents still are "shocked" if I sleep in.
Its not bad if the person Gets all the test and sleep they need. But most people i know Who are "night owls" just have aweful life habits.
They would be getting the sleep they need if society werent set up for only early bird type people.
I imagine it comes from the days of farming… you would not be a great farmer without being up as soon as the sun is.
True. Depends on what you have to do during the time you're awake though.
I mow lawns. I have to get out early because it gets hot and people don't like you to cut their grass after 5pm or so... so HA, TAKE THAT!
One word: Nightvision
Let's be honest most of the time those people are not doing work.
Or they work third shift
Sometimes I'm doing the Lord's work
No it's not. One has the sun rise when you rise, the other does not
It's 5:00 somewhere
Most people don't get up at sunrise
People be like "I'm a night owl" and then stay up til 4 am scrolling tick tock with youtube videos at 1.5x speed on in the background and then wake up at 1 pm and then don't go to work or school
Also I feel like nobody who has a different sleep schedule due to work etc goes around claiming to be a night owl and making the argument you made in the op. It's always people who just scroll their phone all night who try to say this stuff
Genetics supports night owls. It is factually a thing. You are judging these people based on a world set up by morning people. So rather than being judgemental, how about understanding?
The only thing I can find is that it is 1 in 75 people of European descent, but I don't think 1 in 75 claim this as it seems far more people do.
Also, that 1 in 75 is a form of insomnia, not some sort of genetic benefit
???????????? I'm gonna need an explanation for this one 🧐🧐🧐🧐 "genetics supports night owls"
Literally a portion of the population is genetically predisposed to staying up later. This is an evolutionary trait that helped with the survivability of humans by having a portion of the people awake at night to protect everyone else who was asleep. Staggered sleep schedules was important.
How do you know what other people are doing at home alone? Assumptions much?
As someone who has been working night shifts for the past five years, you couldnt be more wrong, the toll it takes on your body isnt something to disregard that easily.
It is not the same. You don't see much light of the day. You will be disturbed in your sleep because the world tends to wake up early. And you have limited job options.
People who work indoors don't see much light of the day either
Yeah but you have a choice.
Everything you do is a choice
Right and it's a lot easier when there isn't a job in the picture.
It's not the same though. You're doing things at different times and what's going on in the world around you changes based on the time.
So, it's more peaceful?
In my experience, different people have different peak times of their day and that is why some swear by getting up earlier and some don't. I find kind of stupid trying to make a "standard". Like we have been sleeping and getting up for thousands of years, if it was an optimal common time to wake up I think we have had figured it out by now don't you think? These feels like those "studies" about how much water you need to drink a day. We have thirst as an indicator for that lol
Some of us stayed up during the night to keep watch for everyone else throughout evolution, some of us want to stay up during the night, some during the day. Probably not AS healthy to be the night owls from how our bodies work but alot of sense to why a portion of people would find it much easier and prefer sleeping during the day.
I go to bed about 2 and get about 10, I don't start work till 3. I've tried to go to sleep earlier, but I just can't, my brain rebels. So I stay up till I'm tired and get up when I want, except on Wednesdays, when I get rudely awakened by the dustmen 😉
This is so true. I've worked a job that typically had me working 2pm to roughly 1am for about 7 years. As a result, I stay up late and wake up typically some time between 9am-11am. My father in law speaks about me like I'm lazy because of this, all the time. My current job is a bit earlier but my sleep schedule doesn't affect my commitment to work or anything else whatsoever. It's kind of weird that I have to feel lesser just because of my sleep schedule.
The math don't lie. Is this unpopular?
The early bird may get the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Its healthier to be up during the day. You have hormones that are effected. Vitamin D to accumulate. We aren't meant to be nocturnal creatures.
Believe it or not most people in America spend the majority of their time INSIDE away from the sun/vitamin D. As if there isn't sun in the afternoon into the evening (eye roll)
Yeah and most most people in America are vitamin D deficient for this reason. It to mention it can cause depression. We live in Minnesota and my wife gets seasonal depression in the winter because we literally can't do anything outside for 5 months.
There's a ton of stuff to do outside in the winter.
Source: am Minnesotan
Besides snowmobile would that be?
Fishing, skating, skiing/tubing/sledding, outdoor hockey are good all winter.
Outside of January and February, normal outdoor exercise like walking, running, or biking is typically fairly easy as well provided you dress appropriately.
K now tell me how many of those you do in the sun, with the sun on your skin? Which is what I was saying. 0 of them. Also how many of those are you doing with a 9 month old?
And I dunno where you live in Minnesota, but I had a 9 foot drift on the side of my house this winter and about 8 different blizzards. November-March are Basically a no go for anything non winter like walking running and biking.
In theory it sounds nice. But you are not working 8-5 and then going running and biking in the winter when it gets dark at 5-530. It's a depressing time of year. It's cold, and gets dark early, and the snow sucks to drive in and sucks to remove
You know they make vitamin D supplements right?
Yeah and they need sunlight too…
That was not the point
In principal yes, we're wired to get up early though. Sucks if you actually can't
Maybe I'm wired to go to sleep late though
Imma go with the neuroscientists on this and I'm more using wired as optimal for performance
Disagree because people who sleep late and work later end up not participating in a lot of the other responsibilities that need to be done to upkeep a household or take care of kids
Let me tell you this crazy fact: 1 hour is always 1 hour. Doesnt matter if its early or later
That doesn't tell the entire story though. if a majority of duties can only be done during a certain window of time, then whoever is up during those hours ends up with a short end of the stick
Theres not even any "story" to begin with. Every household is unique. Who are you to decide what chores can be done at what times?
In a family its up to the parents to assign chores depending on working times. Its not a big deal. If that doesnt work then it is a personal problem.
I'm mainly talking about child care which would be from like 7 am- 9pm. If the other parent is sleeping a majority of those hours they are not giving the same amount of care.. their waking hours would be mostly free time with no kids
OP wasnt specifying just about kids though... and even then it could just be a couple hours later. Not the whole 7am to 9pm. And, still, there are many chores that still can be done 24/7.
My husband slept from 1pm-9 pm .. (the kids were in school from 7am-3) so he most definitely missed all of their needs. And got countless free time.. and he would try to make the same excuse as OP.. I think my point is the people that have a problem with it it's more nuanced than just sleeping late.. obviously other things aren't getting done or someone has to compensate if people have a problem with it
I don't see the correlation here for upkeep of the household. Most household chores can be done at 3pm or 3am. Regarding taking care of kids, I know multiple couples that have one parent working the night shift and one working the day shift. Their alternated schedule allows one to get the kids ready for school and drop them off to school while the other will be the one to pick them up. Works well during the breaks too because a parent can always be home.
In my case, my husband worked 10pm -6 am. He would get off of work at 6 am, come home.. the kids would leave for school at 7 am and be gone all day. He got the entire day to himself which he played video games and would go to bed at about 1:00 p.m.. just in time for the kids to get home from school in a couple hours! The kids would then spend their entire night with me while my husband slept.. He literally didn't do anything for the kids forvyears. I would have to feed them, bathe them, take them to extracurriculars, shop with them,etc because he was sleeping. He maintained the same schedule on the weekend so he got to be up all night with tons and tons of free time while any ounce of free time I had was taken care of the kids. Oh he couldn't vacuum or do dishes or anything of importance at night too because then the lights would be on or he'd be making noise he claims
Yeah my dads friends ga s him a hard time because my mom was a late sleeper, they would say they couldn't believe he let his wife sleep until noon and not get anything done. And he was just like, the house is clean, my kids are fed, I'm fed, I don't care if she cleans the kitchen at 3 am, the kitchen is just as clean
My mom always cleaned the house and did laundry after we were in bed.
u must not understand the effect of light on the body
You must not understand genetics.
I've got plenty of lights
Natural daylight is different than house lights.
😂😭😭💀
You must not understand vitamin D supplements. Also just because you're awake doesn't mean your outside
most people who are up late and awake late are not working at night. They're just unemployed losers. that is why it is looked down upon
I'd say a large amount of people that stay up late are in fact working. Night shift is a thing and some people actually prefer it to day shift
Not so much now, but I loved the night shift when I was in college. Was working at a front desk and virtually nothing happened. Spent nearly the whole time being paid to do homework and watch Netflix.
I was also able to carry full time school and full time work schedules.
Yea I had to work night shift for about two months for my normal 9-5 right after college and after the first week or so once you get used to it, its not so bad. Its much quieter and chill and its a lot more enjoyable watching the sunrise knowing you're driving home to your bed than it is knowing you're driving to work
Just because someone is unemployed doesn't mean they're a loser
It's kind of stupid in a at because everybody sleeps differently
No, it isn't. Learn about Circadian rhythm.
Midnights were my favorite shift. Could get some serious work done without every other doofus in sight sticking their nose in to tell you how you're doing it wrong. Good thing idiots like day shift.
Exactly! It's so peaceful, too.
Nobody who sleeps/wakes up late because they have a later work schedule gets looked down upon
Oh, I assure you they do. Nothing quite like being woken up at 11 so you can "get your lazy ass in gear" after you got off work at 6 and crawled in bed at 7. I'm honestly surprised I didn't end up fired or killing someone due to lack of sleep.
Because it is "justified" by the work. People that just naturally sleep later are looked down upon as being lazy and irresponsible for staying up late and waking up late, despite the fact that ~half the population is genetically meant to do this.
What type of people make up the half that are genetically meant to sleep late? Are you talking about babies or something? I don't get it.
The idea is someone in our evolutionary history had to take the night shift to Stoke the fire and watch for predators. In theory, people whose genes made them more likely to stay up later were likely selected for this duty. It served a purpose.
I can't believe that every little thing was a generically evolved trait..
That is my generically evolved trait
There is no "type". It is just a genetic trait.
Nah, 99% of the population is genetically meant to do this. People who get up early are forced to do that by the society.
Source: I am one of the 99%.
People are looked down upon as being lazy and irresponsible for not doing anything with their time…not their sleep schedule
A person who sleeps/wakes up early and does nothing is just as much a loser
Not in the eyes of society.
Exactly
"I've been up since 6am what have you been doing?"
"i was up til 4am working, wtf were you doing?"
Nobody worth talking to actually says/believes this without any further context to the conversation.
Say it's a Friday and you're off for the weekend but have housework to do. Why not get the work done Friday night and have a true off day on Saturday?
Which half of the population is meant to do this?
What? That is a nonsensical question.
says half the population of a primate is genetically nocturnal
refuses to put a sorcer or elaborate
is confused when people want to know more
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Lmao he meant like 1 in evey 2 people are night owls
People have definitely told me I needed to get up earlier to do things before work
I love how mofos repeat this theory of Vitamin D, sun and waking up at 5am to then go to an office with fluorescent light and stare at a monitor for for 8hs lol. Yeah I'm sure our bodies evolved to do exactly THAT.
I look down on you if you are staying up late and sleeping 12 hours. I don't look down if you are sleeping late and getting up in a normal 5-8 hour sleep pattern. I use to work at 2 am so I was in bed by 6:30-7 pm. People just have different schedules.
What are you doing after midnight? Nothing productive happens at 2am
Have you never read a book at 2:00 am?
I have . Reading books isn't productive.
Learning isn't productive?
Your consuming media.
Have you not ever read anything non fiction or educational?
I have. When I'm not being productive.
It's because earlier in the day you can do more stuff and all the stores are open and stuff but late at night you can't do as much stuff as the day (except for stuff you do at your house). That's why going to sleep before the night when you can't do as much stuff and waking up at the morning when you can do more stuff is seen as better
Semantics? It's only 'late' if you were supposed to be someplace or have done something before a given time.
I agree there's nothing inherently wrong with it, but personally I really love to maximize the amount of sun I see
Just make the sun your phone background
I've started being condescending people who are asleep by 10pm. Gets them very confused, which is when it tends to click with them that different sleeping patterns aren't something to judge.
Depends how you portray yourself
If you are a stay at home, plat videogames till 2 in the morning, 1 hour of social media, then go to bed and with this schedule always complain that you cannot sleep or whatever, then its on you
Well yeah, but screens/stimulating activities immediately before bed will disrupt your sleep regardless of when you go to bed
True, but this refers to character, not biololigical impact
But you're talking about people who struggle to sleep, not people whose window of sleep is just a few hours later than other's
If it's exactly the same, then why not do the earlier thing?
Why not do the later thing?
Because I'm more energetic - physically & intellectually - later on. If I wake up early I'll feel groggy, no matter how early I went to bed the night before. If I wake up a bit later that affords me to stay up a bit later and realise my productivity peak in the last few hours of the night.
As has been covered ad nauseum here, about half the population are genetically predisposed to greater energy levels & productivity at night.
because we evolved to sleep when it gets cold and wake up when it gets warm which is usually 9-6 so yeah it is actually worse for your body
Physically maybe but it can be a pain in the ass if you live somewhere where everything closes early.