+37 No one is responsible for their actions. amirite?

by Anonymous 4 days ago

What is the issue? Me holding people accountable for their actions isn't my fault.

by Anonymous 4 days ago

Are you familiar with the word "sophomoric"?

by Anonymous 4 days ago

So-called "free thinkers" after taking an intro to ethics class

by Baileyjavier 4 days ago

people should can can be taken responsible for their actions, even if they were "destined to this by the universe" it doesn't really matter

by Anonymous 4 days ago

And beyond that, if you believe that no one is responsible for their actions, that includes the person who wants to see someone else punished (or rewarded I guess, but I don't feel like this argument gets made in that direction) for their actions. You can't actually persuade someone to view things differently, they are not in control of their views. Of course you would also have to believe that you are not in control of the act of trying to convince them that the views they have no control over should be changed so it's all pretty much moot, everything is just a script being written by chance.

by Anonymous 4 days ago

Yeah that's completely dumb, most of us are completely responsible for our own actions. To try to pin the blame on the universe of all things has to be the most absurd method of avoiding accountability for anything and is utterly pathetic.

by Anonymous 4 days ago

It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about the idea that if you lived someone else's life, it would play out the exact same way

by Anonymous 4 days ago

I disagree with that as well, I believe there would be some differences that would appear.

by Anonymous 4 days ago

Considering you would have no idea who you were originally and you have the brain of that same person, I don't see how there would be a difference

by Anonymous 4 days ago

This sounds like a cop out to avoid personal responsibility. As if there's not enough of that already.

by EveryPassion8048 4 days ago

It's not a cop out to avoid personal responsibility. It's an observation on the reality we find ourselves in. I still recommend being a good person. And also having laws in place to create responsibility to maintain a cohesive society.

by Anonymous 4 days ago

So it's not my fault if throw pie at your face

by One-Detective 4 days ago

What do you expect? It's not like it's our choice whether we "get" it or not.

by Ok-Form8412 4 days ago

I don't see why it has to be completely one or the other, why can't it be the case that yes there are "deterministic" factors that shape who you are, with it also still being true that you have some degree of maneuverability along that path?

by Anonymous 4 days ago

We are conscious beings, we can choose whether or not we do something. You are objectively incorrect

by Anonymous 4 days ago

>believes in free will >says that someone else is objectively incorrect

by Anonymous 4 days ago

"Objectively" is not correct

by Anonymous 4 days ago

This is absolutely an unpopular opinion.

by Far_Band_7092 4 days ago

You're not responsible for what the world throws at you but you are damn sure responsible for how you choose to react to it.

by Outrageous_Drop_1443 4 days ago

What does that even mean? If you look at it from face value it's advice being given to people. Which is good. It's good advice. Practical. Play with the cards you're dealt. But if you define the parts what is it? Someone isn't responsible for what the world throws at them.... but they are responsible for how they react to it. So then what the world is throwing at someone doesn't matter? It doesn't change the outcome? Does it or does it not? If it does even a little bit then the outcome isn't based off the individual. It's based off the world. And then beyond "what the world throws at you" how about what the world gives you as an initial state of being? The human that you are born as is not chosen. You are just born as that human. There's no choice. How could a choice exist separately from the individual and how could an individual be separate from environment?

by Anonymous 4 days ago

You are blaming the universe which is an object with no cognition? Everyone is in control of their actions having total free will.

by Anonymous 4 days ago

>free will lol

by Anonymous 4 days ago

Yes we have free will but some people that have free will(and power) use it to limit your free will

by Street-Western-202 4 days ago

"No one", "Everything", "All", "100 percent"…?? I wonder if you see anything in shades of gray at all?

by Anonymous 4 days ago

The point is that you wouldn't actually commit arson, though. You can say you would all day, but that's different And if you're doing it just to prove a point, then that is because all of your actions have molded you into a person who would commit arson just to prove a point

by Anonymous 3 days ago

yes but its still me who lights fire to a house, even if i was conditioned to do so.

by LeatherEye 3 days ago

What's your point? Yes, it would seem like you chose to do that. However, my point is that based on all the context that lead up to that moment plus your inherent personality, you are always going to "choose" the same thing, hence the idea that free will doesn't exist

by Anonymous 3 days ago

So if someone starts a fire in their yard and that fire spreads and burns down your house you wouldn't feel like that person was responsible for the fire?

by Anonymous 3 days ago

The old determinism idea.

by Tall_Paint9977 3 days ago

Imagine not wanting to take accountability for you life and just blaming the universe. So human coded.

by Anonymous 3 days ago

You're right my brother. There are a few books I ask you to read. "Behave" & "Determined" by Robert Sapolsky, a master in biology and neurosurgeon. "Thinking Fast and Slow" by Daniel Kehneman, a doctor in psychology. I could list a hundred books here about what OP say, including many religious books, but this is a good place to start for those who seek to learn. And I have never claimed to know everything, and I have never blamed anyone for the way they think and believe. There is truth in what you say OP. No one decides when and where they are born, and to whom they are born from, and the environment shapes them. For many this is a hard thing to believe, and for some, good reason. I could list thousands of people in life and history, who have become terrible people, from their past is also terrible. People who have been judged harshly and learn to become the judgemental, people who have seen and been hurt tremendously, and become the one who hurts. If a man commits murder, I do not blame his soul, and I pray he asks for forgiveness from Allah, he will give the last judgement. Allah will reward anyone who has mercy and is kind. Is it our duty, and our destiny, to create a society in which every human has an opportunity to succeed in the world, free from poverty and to seek higher education. Free from dieses and from hatred and anger. Seek wisdom, be kind and charitable, find strength and courage from Allah and he will reward you in the afterlife. As Salam alaikum wa raḥmatullāhi wa barakātuh.

by Electronic-Sugar-736 3 days ago

Completely disagree. Free will is a real thing. People make deliberate choices every day, and most of them have consequences in some way.

by stella40 3 days ago

What is it that makes the choice? You say it's the person. What is the person? What aspect of that person is the part making the choice? The only answer I've ever been able to consider is its the "soul". And even in that scenario the individual isn't choosing which "soul" they get. So how are they choosing which actions they take using that "soul"?

by Anonymous 3 days ago

Choice is an illution in that we are made the way we are, but if we define choice by "being able to react differently to different facts and knowledges", then we do make actual choices if we are open to learning. It's true that I wouldn't have learned what depression was and how to deal with it in others, if I hadn't experienced it, but during that process I did a hell of a lot of introspection and researching. If I hadn't done that and made those choices, I may be dead, or alive and a bitter bitch for it.

by Anonymous 3 days ago

If two people are given the same lemons, one can make lemonade and the other can make rotten lemons. Every day, different people given the same hand of cards turn it into something good, or use it as an excuse for evil. Some situations are easier or harder to do that with, but in the end it all comes down to the choices you make with what you were given.

by Anonymous 3 days ago

In a way, I see your point. If everyone was put in the same scenario, there would be options unavailable to some people, and options available to some but not others, because experiences, life circumstances, hell even genetics will play a role in the options your brain can give you. What is our responsibility however, is picking the best option out of what our personal limits will allow. My best choice might be your worst choice, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't pick good choices because it will never be as good as yours.

by TraditionalWorld 3 days ago

"Best" is arbitrary. Everyone picks the action that they pick. And that choice is the best choice that their abilities would allow based off the circumstances they are in.

by Anonymous 3 days ago

Isn't this the exact argument that OP makes? Personal responsibility is just created to maintain cohesion in society It does seem like they recognize that it is something similar to a tool.

by Anonymous 3 days ago

Oh boy! Someone just took their first philosophy class!

by Background_Number829 3 days ago

People aren't failing to understand this, they just disagree with it. It's a completely inane idea.

by Anonymous 3 days ago

This is a childish perspective. You're trying to justify avoiding responsibility for your actions. Be better.

by Mountain-Local 3 days ago

...No, it's absolutely nothing like that at all. That is the most nonsensical "retort" I have heard in a long, long time. I applaud the mental gymnastics.

by Mountain-Local 3 days ago

we still decide how to play the hand, even if the deck's unfair.

by Randyhegmann 3 days ago

How do you decide? What makes up the being that you are that is making the decision?

by Anonymous 3 days ago

This is nature vs nurture on steroids.

by Working-Dimension-49 3 days ago

A large room of learned men gathered round discussing nature vs nurture. Frothing mouths and smacking lips. Bellowing voices. And all at once Donald was asked "tell us, what do you think makes up the personality? Nature or nurture? The man lay quiet for a moment and then speaks "tell me. To what makes up the area of a field? It's length or its width?"

by Anonymous 3 days ago

It's not chance that makes you who you are. It's the choices you make. People don't typically kill someone by chance. The ones convicted of first degree murder usually plotted the murder in advance and decided to end someone's life. It sounds like you have either made bad choices and don't want to take responsibility for them or you haven't achieved what you wanted to do so you would rather blame it on chance than anything else.

by Anonymous 3 days ago

LOL

by Business-Simple 3 days ago