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@JohnJillky I'm not going to the links. Atheists can think anything other than believing in a deity. There are people who don't...

LOL....not going to the links. You refuse to expose yourself to further input or the possibility of something outside your scope of predetermined knowledge. You take the cake for proving that there are some people who know so much they refuse to further educate and expose themselves to something of another view.
Great answer. And good for you in proving nonbelief does not exist. Try as you may, you never could. It would only be your word. I choose whose words I believe or don't believe. If you claim that I can't say there is a God and my "experience" and life is living proof, then there is no way you could tell me you are an atheist and then back it up with any proof. You tell me to prove God's existence with science, and I say He cannot be reproduced in a laboratory experiment. You quickly say, see, He must not exist then. So I just say the same to you. Prove to me and reproduce atheism in a laboratory using science. I want to see this thing you call atheism with my eyes and touch it with my hands. If you can't SHOW me atheism, then I don't believe you or any other atheist that is actually exists! If I have nothing, you certainly and for SURE have nothing.

SURVIVAL - or the will to live, seems to be the strongest of all other instincts or drives. It is also the foundation and prerequisite for any and all other instinct's survival. SO - if life is truly without purpose, meaning, or reason, then the will or drive to live would not be the dominant force in all living things. Amirite?
@1982550

And where might you find the god you speak of? Will you make him up to fit your image. If so, he will not be a god at all. He will be an idol, made in your likeness and image. THE God already covered that one too.

SURVIVAL - or the will to live, seems to be the strongest of all other instincts or drives. It is also the foundation and prerequisite for any and all other instinct's survival. SO - if life is truly without purpose, meaning, or reason, then the will or drive to live would not be the dominant force in all living things. Amirite?
@1982546

No, we really don't. I listen to people curse God every single day and their "proof" of His non-existence is that He does not strike them dead. I don't see that as proof at all - I see them as arrogant and full of hatred, while He simply sits and is waiting for the perfect time to call an end to it all - just as He did with several other major Bible events. Revelation is yet to occur and there is a whole lot of stuff just waiting to be unleashed.
And why do so many people who don't believe in God or the Bible want to constantly talk about and attack it? If none of it is true or real to begin with, what is the point in proving to me, a believer, that unicorns don't exist or that unicorns have a track record of evil influence over the world?
If there is no God, as you and others claim, then how could He possibly have done anything recorded in the Bible or had any influence over any person in world events? Take God out of the equation - and now YOU tell me what caused all of those people to do what they did? If God had nothing to do with anything at all, then people who believed anything about Him were simply acting on their own. And if they were, then how did they come up with all the evil and blood thirst that you say God is responsible for?
And why do people choose the Bible as their number one "fairy tale" and follow its orders or teachings, but don't practice any other book of fables or fairy tales?

SURVIVAL - or the will to live, seems to be the strongest of all other instincts or drives. It is also the foundation and prerequisite for any and all other instinct's survival. SO - if life is truly without purpose, meaning, or reason, then the will or drive to live would not be the dominant force in all living things. Amirite?
@1982540

Do you know of anyone else who provided a Savior for the entire world to pay for the sins of humanity? Name me one other sinless Son of God other than Jesus Christ.

@VicZinc Well third grade was 48 years ago. So if I was still 8 years old you might have a point.

Nice dodge as usual. Still never said you read them all that fast or that they were valid.
But you will always have the final say in any argument or debate because you are making it up as you go. You have no constants, no absolutes, no reference from which to fall back on, so ultimately, ANYTHING someone says to you about anything can be passed off as irrelevant or without meaning.
Great little game you have devised isn't it?

SURVIVAL - or the will to live, seems to be the strongest of all other instincts or drives. It is also the foundation and prerequisite for any and all other instinct's survival. SO - if life is truly without purpose, meaning, or reason, then the will or drive to live would not be the dominant force in all living things. Amirite?
@1982505

I don't listen to these groups because their "message" is counter to things I believe. We tend to fill our heads with things that support and substantiate our world view - not take away from or tear it down. I see the songs as appropriate for you, but not my cup of tea.

SURVIVAL - or the will to live, seems to be the strongest of all other instincts or drives. It is also the foundation and prerequisite for any and all other instinct's survival. SO - if life is truly without purpose, meaning, or reason, then the will or drive to live would not be the dominant force in all living things. Amirite?
@VicZinc 1) your god does not "have" to save you. Are you saying he could not? If he could save you then my point is...

1) He could do anything, but since He gave us the freedom of choice, He allows us to do as we choose. He did not stop Eve from eating of the fruit that He told her and Adam not to eat. He did not make us as robots or machines. Choice is required in order for us to willingly decide to love or even follow Him. Jesus could have saved Himself from going to the cross, and plenty tried to get Him not to - but He specifically had a purpose to fulfill and had He not, then there would not have been any way for the world to be saved (that according to God's plan and Word - someone you don't believe in).
2) If what you are saying is "true" or has the ability to be "known" then you are clearly using an incorrect definition of knowledge. I showed you that knowledge has nothing to do with 100% of anything, and yet you continue pushing forward with that concept as your "knowledge."
And you are deliberately being obstinate and objectionable just to show us all your back side! Chop off the heads of 1, 10, 100, 1,000, 10,000, 100,000 people and carry on in to infinity, and tell me there will be a survivor! Please oh please tell me you believe there will be a survivor. You my friend, have outsmarted yourself and entered the realm of foolishness. I do not seek to emulate or aspire to attain your version of "knowledge." I see nothing knowledgeable or worth pursuit in such an intellectual endeavor. Good luck and best wishes at finding absolutely nothing that can be absolute or believable.

SURVIVAL - or the will to live, seems to be the strongest of all other instincts or drives. It is also the foundation and prerequisite for any and all other instinct's survival. SO - if life is truly without purpose, meaning, or reason, then the will or drive to live would not be the dominant force in all living things. Amirite?
@1982499

Wow, we have some amazing atheistic Bible experts on this site! You all should be teaching Bible classes and allowing the world to hear your venom and disgust about God and His Book.
I will let God do the straightening of you out. Your anger is beyond my scope of trying to sort through. I have never gone as far as you have in my questioning of why God does or did what He chooses. I have plenty of questions, but never in an attack mode or thinking I could possibly figure out the basis for all of His choices or decisions. If I could do that, then I would be God and there would be no need for Him. And I am sure many like yourself feel that is exactly the point. Just stop "believing" the nonsense and give it all up.
But the Bible is still the book of all books and offers more advice and wisdom in its pages than any other book I have laid eyes on. The fact that it shows men in their evil or fallen state, and records things as they occurred (both good and bad), does not take away from the hand of God working and accomplishing His sovereign will and plan for His Universe. We see a microcosm of the entire picture, while He sees before it all began to how it will be for all of eternity. If your snapshot view of everything you have seen, read, and learned leads you to believe you have figured God out and brought you to a place of such understanding that you can accuse His works, then you have been elevated to quite the superior being status. I hope that all works out for you as you one day stand in His actual presence. Please remember all of the statements you made here for that day. He will be glad to clear things up for you.
Also just some food for thought.................

@JohnJillky I did misread part of the post. But I have a problem with the following: "For any atheist to claim that atheism...

Read the links I provided to Vic and you will discover otherwise. The government has gotten involved, so there is no way anyone can claim that atheists are neutral or individual people on an island of their own making.
And by the way - if there are NO deities to begin with, why would ANYONE have to specify a name to state their opposition to something non-existent? That is the real absurdity. If something truly does not exist, then individuals do not have to rise up and state their unbelief or lack of belief. Lack of belief in what? If God or deities do no exist, then atheism does not exist either. It is really that simple.
And I challenge any atheist to prove scientifically or experientially that atheism exists. The ONLY "proof" that any atheist has to offer regarding their lack of belief is a bunch of words. There is nothing of substance or concrete evidence to suggest to anyone else that there really is such a thing as atheism. Prove to me this thing called "no belief" or "lack of belief." It can not be done.

@Kumquat If this is the type of thing that this group does then i wouldn't call them athiests as much as i'd call them...

It is THEIR obligation to apologize for all the religious freedom they are attacking and trying to STOP others from engaging in or practicing. Atheists who disagree with them should be calling, writing, and making headlines of their own in opposition to the signals this group is sending. Pressure THEM exactly the same way they are trying to pressure people enjoying their religious freedoms without any intent or malice of trying to TARGET atheists. Just as atheists supposedly don't think about God, true Christians do not run around filling their day with trying to spot or harass an atheist! I personally don't care if someone does not believe, but please leave my ability TO believe alone.

@Kumquat It seems you are misplacing your hate or anger or whatever this is. You shouldn't be targeting athiests in general...

Huh? How did you possibly come up with hate or anger? I happen to like Dr. Ben Carson and think that he is extremely brilliant - even on social issues. And I happen to agree with him about what he said in the article he wrote - the subject or topic of my OP. I completely disagree with the tactics of groups like the Freedom From Religion Foundation, and have every right to voice that without being called a hater or anger management subject.

@JohnJillky I'm personally no fan of discounts based on any particular subgroup of people.

So if the owner offered a discount to all people who would bring in a dirty sock - would that be a subgroup? He only offered a discount to ANYONE bringing in a church bulletin. An atheist got offended because he does not go to church and does not have a bulletin. If he wanted to go to church to get a bulletin he could - but instead, he would rather call the Freedom From Religion Foundation and cry like a baby that he has been singled out and treated unfairly. This is the biggest part of the problem. The problem is not with the store owner or his discount - it is with a disgruntled atheist who thinks Christians are out to get him!

@VicZinc Interesting. I have been to many of these Sunday services both at religious churches and atheist churches. The...

You read all those links already? You must be an impressive speed reader. Not bad for a guy with only a 3rd grade education (your claim in some random comment). How does a 3rd grade educated individual use such big words and toy with such complex ideas on a world scale? I taught 3rd graders for 7 years and they could not begin to juggle complex or multiple topics in single comments.

SURVIVAL - or the will to live, seems to be the strongest of all other instincts or drives. It is also the foundation and prerequisite for any and all other instinct's survival. SO - if life is truly without purpose, meaning, or reason, then the will or drive to live would not be the dominant force in all living things. Amirite?
@VicZinc And therein lies one of the problems we face when dealing with those who seek to destroy all the progress the human...

God gave my sorry butt the ability to choose and use common sense. Did He forget to equip you with the same capabilities? No, but you have chosen to specifically and intentionally ignore them.
If I decided to walk out in 3 lanes of traffic at rush hour, why does my God have to stop or save me? Where ever did you get that notion? Where does His word teach that a miracle is used for someone making poor or wrong choices and decisions? God allows people to choose foolish, crazy, harmful, and destructive behaviors and practices every single day, but you want to blame HIM for that - when in fact, He has already put the blame and responsibility on the individual who made the choice. It is something called accountability. And atheists do not want to be held accountable for any actions, words, or deeds they do (or don't do) in this lifetime.
And yes, certainty exists. Sorry you fail to acknowledge or accept such. I am guessing then that you will not be accepting my challenge to engage one of the 3 certainties to prove to us that there will in fact be a 100% certain result. I shake my head in disbelief (a rare time that I am an "unbeliever") and shame that you would continue denying or accepting the fact that some things can be known for 100% certainty. And as long as you continue holding to such failed logic, I suggest that you cease using logic itself as a basis for trying to know or understand things of "certainty" or truthfulness. If there is NO school of thought on this planet that can lead a person to a sense of 100% knowledge, certainty, or truth about some things, then there is no thought process worth engaging or entertaining. But alas, if there is no grand scheme, then who the hell actually cares anyway? With that, I am sure you would agree.

@VicZinc No. The "definition" of religion is an organized faith based belief in, and worship of, a supernatural...

How do you account then for the atheist churches that are springing up all across the country now? They have Sunday meetings and mimic the Christian Sunday worship service. They bring in guest speakers as well. Are you telling me you have never heard of these?
As long as atheism can be defined, is organized, raises funds for its causes and message, is recognized by our government as deserving the same protection as any other religious belief (or lack of belief), has been pressing relentlessly to be allowed to have its own chaplains in our military branches - then regardless of what you say or think, it is in a more and more commonly accepted definition A RELIGION. You guys have absolutely no trouble changing words when they suit your causes, but then when a word that has been in existence as meaning something for hundreds of years is now attached to YOUR group, and you don't like it, you want to say it can not be applied and does not count. Do you use the same logic and basis of reasoning when it comes to the definition of MARRIAGE? Oops, no, that is "different." Really? Why, because you or a few outraged atheists say so?

http://factschurch.com/sermons/sermon004.html

http://www.newsmax.com/HermanCa.../20/id/521389/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories...f-a-firestorm/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/pet...as-a-religion/

http://www.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/

http://www.evolutionnews.org/20...nd1087481.html

http://militaryatheists.org/chaplain/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories...gnites-debate/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/t...eist-churches/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/ar...go-global.html

http://www.usatoday.com/story/n...rches/3489967/

You might want to read a bit more widely to be more broad minded and free thinking. Since your quest for knowledge will leave you knowing nothing, at least impress me with the fact that you have read multiple and numerous sources to inform the statements you do make in rebuttal of my OP.