+330 I'm pretty sure the Bible doesn't say anything about God hating gays, fags, or other religions. People way back in history decided to say that God didn't like you if you didn't agree with their religion. amirite?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Even if the bible says nothing about it, other people do. Like priests.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Uh... that's basically what the OP said. God never said to condemn anyone, it was man's idea to persecute people with different beliefs. Even priests are human. They make mistakes.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Priests are supposed to speak the word of the Lord. By condemning homosexuality, they're corrupting the minds of everyone that goes to the church

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Basically, homosexuality as a practice is condemned in the Bible. So, that is what priests should say on the subject. However, it goes against the Bible when the actual homosexual people are condemned and persecuted. In other words, according to God's word, one isn't supposed to agree with homosexuality itself, but that doesn't mean that they can persecute the actual homosexual person because that person is a creation of God, no matter what he believes in or does. (most) priests teach that homosexuality in itself is wrong, but even if it's wrong we should still love everyone, even homosexuals. But some priests (like the ones in Wesboro) Teach that christians must condemn homosexual people, which is very wrong because it spreads hatred towards God's creation. Does that make some sense?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That does make sense, but a lot of churches I know kick out homosexuals.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well, that's wrong, churches are supposed to welcome anyone with open arms. That's the point; to spread God's word to anyone who wants to hear about it. They shouldn't kick anyone out. Although... what branches of christianity are those churches, exactly? That might be part of the reason...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Catholicism, I guess. I haven't really been paying attention to the branch, only what they do.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Hmm... well, catholic churches are a lot stricter about that kinda thing, so it sorta makes sense... but it's still kinda wrong, too

by Anonymous 13 years ago

And the priests are in the back of the parish with the ALTAR BOYS because they're showing how to do the things they should never, ever do, right? /=( If God is Love, I can't see how he would dissaprove of it - ANY KIND of it. Just because love is between two people of the same sex doesn't make it any less love. and personally, i don't see how God could send one of his children to Hell for loving.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

the bible does! "theee shall not lay with a man as with a woman nor a woman as with a man"

by Anonymous 13 years ago

1. Gays and fags are the same thing. 2. There are passages in the Bible that condemn homosexuality, and say that gays should be stoned to death. YA.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The Bible does condemn Homosexuality, but it doesn't teach us to actually condemn the people that are homosexuals. At least, not in the new Testament. What passage says that homosexuals should be stoned? I am pretty sure I've seen it there, but I forgot where it was...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death." :O KILL THE GAYS, SAYS THE BIBLE.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

God didn't write the Bible. It's as reliable on God's word as a tabloid on a celebrititie's word.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well according to the Bible, God wrote the Bible. And if you want passages for that... try Thessalonians 2:13, and Timothy 3:16. And on your analogy: No, that is not the same thing. The "word of God" was written over 2000 years ago by primitive men in a desert. A tabloid on a celebrities' word is written very recently. The more credible data is more recent, because it is less likely to have been exaggerated and mistranslated.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

@185253 (gsouflis): IN WHAT WAY???

by Anonymous 13 years ago

First, I would like to say that just because the bible says that something is not right, does not mean that it should be outlawed. That's why we have the separation of Church and State, and is also why I think that laws against gay marriage are absolutely ridiculous, demeaning, and immoral. I am saying all this as a straight Lutheran. Also, Leviticus 11: 10-12 reads "...anything in the seas or the rivers that has not fins and scales, of the swarming creatures in the waters and of the living creatures that are in the waters, is detestable to you. You shall regard them as detestable; you shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall detest their carcasses. Everything in the waters that has not fins and scales is detestable to you." This clearly states that we may not eat shellfish, and is in the same book as the verses that you quoted. However, we have not outlawed Red Lobster and Long John Silver's, have we?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Your argument, to put it blatantly, makes absolutely no sense. Not once did I suggest that the Bible was a consultant for political reform. Nor did I suggest that everything in the Bible is true. In fact, I think the Bible is complete bullshit. It's a nice story, but has completely destroyed the true meaning of faith. As an atheist, I live without the restrictions of any religion. We wouldn't be having this argument in the first place if your Holy Book hadn't said any of the things I brought up. If you would like to reply, please make sure that your viewpoint and rebuttal is valid.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

183138, I LOVE YOU! We should be besties! (not to be creepy)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh, and 185444, your arguments are very valid, I respect you. You both rock, and thank you for letting me butt in on your heated debate. =)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Thanks dude

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That whole "kill the gays, says the bible" is really... obominable.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I agree completely, but you cannot deny that it says that DIRECTLY IN THE BIBLE. Refer to the passages I referenced.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It doesn't say to hate anyone, but it does say homosexuality is a sin. Not that I totally agree.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I know I've been taught that it's a sin, but now I'm conflicted... I personally don't agree with it because to me it always seemed sort of wrong, but it seems like most people that are homosexual really can't help it, and that they do feel real love for each other. =/ I have no idea what to think, haha...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's not a sin for them to love each other, but it is to have sex since it would be extramarital.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Hmm... really? That does make sense, actually. Let me check.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Hmmm... loved without sex... then what's the big deal about them getting married?? It would fix that problem right then and there!!!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Maybe they hated gays/fags back then because they had never seen anything like that but times have changed and I'm pretty sure that if God made us the way we are today, He accepts us for who we are. Just saying

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It pretty much comes down to "love the sinner, hate the sin".

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ummmmmmmmmmm actually, in the Bible God condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuality. Soooooo he actually does hate fags. Unless you want to throw out the whole bible. God is a judgmental jackass.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

God does not hate anyone. He loves everyone, but is disappointed and angry and sad when people act on sin (in this case, homosexuality)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no God beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand. For I lift up my hand to heaven and swear, As I live forever, if I sharpen my flashing sword and my hand takes hold on judgment, I will take vengeance on my adversaries and will repay those who hate me. I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh— with the blood of the slain and the captives, from the long-haired heads of the enemy. Deuteronomy 32:39-42

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You are not a God who delights in evil; no wicked person finds refuge with you; the arrogant cannot stand before you. You hate all who do evil. Psalm 5:4-5 Into your hands I commend my spirit; you will redeem me, LORD, faithful God. You hate those who serve worthless idols, but I trust in the LORD. Psalm 31:5-6

by Anonymous 13 years ago

thought there was a whole thing about how God is Love. God doesn't hate. We are all God's children. Why would he condemn us to Hell? Especially just for loving each other?? Sex is just an expression of that love. People make it into something all-meaning. Personally, I don't see what the huge deal is. You're basically saying "I love you," but with your bodies. The heck does it matter whether it's excretory or not? It's love. What so bad about that?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

God condemned Sodom and Gomorrah for Sodomy and other sins. Sodomy is not homosexuality. Sodomy is any sexual act other than the Missionary Position being used for procreation (with out contraceptives).

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That's where you're wrong. The Aramaic and Hebrew words that were used do not equal homosexuality. It means anything that wasn't of the norm sexually back then was bad and people shouldn't do it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(PoliticalTeen.): Oh dear sweet Lord! (pardon the sort-of pun) All modern-day people are going to Hell!!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Actually, God doesn't hate homosexuals or people of other religions. By using the derragatory term 'fag', it seems as if you do. Just because people believe homosexuality is wrong, or that other religions are wrong, and want people to go to Heaven, doesn't mean that we hate them. God doesn't either. As Blerbbb said, he's disappointed, angry, and sad when people sin; but he doesn't hate them. He loves all sinners.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

But being gay or having another religion isnt a sin...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yes it is...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I can't understand why, it's not a big deal at all. It's not a bad thing, neither of them, so why would they be considered sins to some people.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I am so incredibly torn on this subject; To Christians, their God is the true God, and all others unconverted are going to Hell. To Jews, their God (basically the same God) is the true God, and everyone else (including themselves, if I understand correctly) are going to Hell. To Arabs, their God is the true God, and everyone else is going to Hell. To the Hindus, the Buddhists, does Hell even exist? But the point is, everyone belives they are right. I can't see how we can ALL be wrong and ALL be right at the same time! And you say, "No, I'm right" but what about everyone who says the same thing? And what about animals? They don't even care about the crusades and shit man created to force their religion on everyone else. How can we say we're right and others, who've been around for the same amount of thousands of years, or longer are all of a sudden wrong? When they've been right some thousand years longer than us?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

According to the Bible, they are sins.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Exactly. In Christianity the human conscience does not determine what is sin and what isn't. The Bible is the only true authority on such matters.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Alright, but not everyone believes in the bible anyways. And everything can be interpreted differently than what it really means..

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The Bible is the source that the poster is using, so. I just wanted to through my comment in to make it clear that while homosexuality and following other religions are not right, God doesn't hate people who follow them, and neither should Christians.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Not right under the bible and what your God says, yes lol. And I agree no one should hate people based on that, but alot of people do.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Sin is a concept of religion, with clear rules. Morality is a concept of humans, where everything is dependent on gut feeling. Whether you think homosexuality should be considered moral is up to you. Homo-sexualities status as a sin, is indisputable fact. Really though, there are loads of sins, and everyone commits them. I guarantee you most everyone has commit a sin carrying the penalty of death. People only bring up the Bible, and the religious aspect of an issue when it benefits them.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Alright, I find it completely fine which is pretty obvious lol, and yes according to the bible many people have commited many sins worth the dealth penalty. Bascially I agree. =P

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Everyone has committed sins worthy of death. Romans 6:23: "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life." We all deserve death, regardless of the sin.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Lol alright..

by Anonymous 13 years ago

So basically all truth is relative, right? I disagree with that concept, but that's basically what I got out of your post. How can truth be relevant? Someone has to be right. There must be solid rights and solid wrongs...there is no doubt about that. Everyone even has a conscience to tell them so.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Having another religion is not sin. Not believing in God is not sin either; it just means that you will not go to heaven, because there is only one way to heaven and that way is to accept Jesus' death and resurrection as the justification for all the sins you ever have and will commit. It doesn't matter what your label is (Baptist, Presbyterian, etc.) as long as you believe that through faith and have admitted your sins to God and turned from your sinful ways.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Obviously someone hasn't actually read the Bible.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Dogmas are always great

by Anonymous 13 years ago

A sin should be only something bad along the lines of murder, rape, torture, stealing... A sin shouldnt be from being able to fall in love with someone of the same gender, or believing in something different.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If you are born a homosexual, that means God made you that way. But if being one is a sin.. God is basically sending you to hell.. Idunno just throwing that out there. My theory is that the people who wrote in the bible were homophobic and thought it was wrong, but I'm not sure. Hahah just throwing thoughts out there :P

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No one is born a homosexual.. They make a choice..

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's only a choice if your bi (half gay). Since Jesus said that the sin is in the thought, making a conscious choice not to be gay means you must have seriously considered it (even if you decided against it). This in and of itself is sinful. Essentially, anyone who can say with faith that there is choice involved has no right to judge (not that they had one anyway), because they are guilt of the same sin.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I strongly disagree. Everything is a choice, therefore you don't have to seriously consider doing something in order to realize that there's a choice involved. I know that killing someone is a choice, but I've never thought about murdering anyone. Also, that concept in the Bible has to do with pondering sin in your mind, really meditating on it-- not just having a passing thought and realizing a choice and its consequences.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

^ I agree, even though people might get mad about that..

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I go to a Catholic church and they haven't kicked out anyone...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

How do you know? Are you the priest? A priest? A monk or nun even? Are you by chance the designated priest in charge of excommunications? Do you have access to the church records in your area? As far as you know your particular branch hasn't, but it's a common practice for unrepentant sinners.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Weeeeeell, most evidence shows that homosexuals aren't born attracted to the same gender. They become homosexual because of circumstances and the environment they're put in. I believe that homosexuality is wrong, but also that it is wrong to discriminate against them for their choices. I mean, it's not like they're hurting you or anything right?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's easy to say homosexuality is a sin, And condem it when you don't know anyone who commits it. I have two moms and to be told they're going to hell isn't the best thing to be told.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Love is not a sin. I have many gay and lesbian friends, and I'm not mad at God. I don't see how love could ever be a sin.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Jesus Christ. The Lord says himself to not judge if you are not without sin. And since NO MAN is without sin, no man can judge (that means you ladies too). If you believe being a "fag" is a sin, believe it but don't shove it down someones throat. Only He can say what is wrong. Don't tell me that the words in the Bible refer only to homosexuals if you have not read the Aramaic and Hebrew versions of the Bible and correctly translated every word.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah the bible says gays should be stoned in the old testiment.... But it also says you can't wear two different materials in one shirt.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

All Old Testament laws and punishments are not necessarily commandments from God for our present day because of Christ's sacrifice for all of our sins. However, it does give some insight on God's opinion of certain actions.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I am pansexual (could love anyone, boys, girls, ftm, mtf, trannies, herms...etc..) and it DOES say it is a sin, but do you really think I'm going to punish myself for something I am proud to be? UHM, NO. How about all you haters go rant on about how it' s so bad to be a murderer or rapist...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

LOVE IS NOT A SIN! sex is "I love you" with your bodies. Doesn't matter who it's with. And if God is love, there are homosexuals who are closer to God than lots of straights in loveless relationships because the Bible tells them they can't get a divorce.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

1 Timothy 1:9-11 (Today's New International Version) We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers. And it is for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me. I would invite you all to go to www.biblegateway.com and do a keyword search on "pure", "wife", "homosexuality", and "marriage". I think going directly to the source, in context, would clear up a lot of debate.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Last time I checked, the Bible says these words almost exactly, "Though shalt not lie with a man as you would a woman." Also, the Bible is forever against the other religions, especially the ones with 'false idols' or 'multiple gods'.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

exactly its like they never even read the bible

by Anonymous 13 years ago