+136 How was God created? I mean, he couldn't have just appeared out of nowhere. If that was possible, then isn't it possible that everything like galaxies and life on Earth just appeared out of nowhere?, amirite?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

God didn't "appear". He is an eternal being; He always was and always will be; He has no beginning or end.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Except there has to be a beginning. Nice try though. If God can always just "be", then Earth could too.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's not a concept that humans can understand. If we could understand God's origin and 'creation', he wouldn't be much of a God, now, would he? Earth and humans live trapped inside time. God is outside of time; he is not bound by that like we are. So, he has no beginning or end. The earth, however, does.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I love how you feel that is so logical.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I love how you have no counterargument.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Its too ridiculous and idiotic. Even if I were to argue, you would come up with more.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That's the point. It's called an intelligent debate, though it seems as if you have nothing intelligent worth offering.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Hahahahah! At least I have PROOF. Unlike you, who has only a book. Anyone could write one. (:

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Actually, there is no proof that God does not exist. Better do a whole lot more research if you're going to go around making statements like that. You sound very ignorant.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

This coming from a person who believes there is someone up in the sky, watching all of us at every second. Who lets people die of horrible diseases, but he still loves each and every one of us. Oh, and your excuse for all of that, "he works in mysterious ways"

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I do believe you are stereotyping. That's another sign of ignorance, if you didn't know. I don't believe that the reason for people dying of horrible diseases is that "he works in mysterious ways." I believe that it all happens for a reason, though, and that He works all things out for the better. We may not be able to see the positive effect right now, but we are just human. We can't see the whole picture.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You really just said the same thing I did, but you tried (and failed) to say it using more intelligent words.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Not really. It could be seen that way, if you look at it in a vague way. Anyhow, this conversation is ultimately going nowhere, so it's quite pointless to continue any further. Goodbye.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Just thought I'd jump in and say please don't judge all of us atheists/agnostics based on the close-minded comments of Jodie.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

She was probably tired of getting into the same arguments with people over and over so she was more than likely just a little on edge. The arguments coming from the theistic side aren't exactly flawless either lmao

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Hahaha I can assure you that wasn't me. I've given up on this one now, as it was a year ago.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I didn;t read all of that cuz IDGAF, but 1) You cannot prove God doesn't exist, it is scientifically impossbile to prove a negative. 2) "God didn't "appear". He is an eternal being; He always was and always will be; He has no beginning or end." is easily appliable to "The universe didn't 'appear'. It is eternal, it always was and always will be, it has no beggining or end."Assuming the Many Bang Theory is true. So both of you, just STOP. No one can prove either right or wrong at this point in time.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Alright cool, I like you.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

twas actually I who made the anon comment

by Anonymous 11 years ago

@ Runy: //"I'm also an atheist, but I've passed the phase where I get IN YOUR FACE about it, I'd like to say I'm more mature than that now"//

by Anonymous 11 years ago

No, I wasn't talking about anon's comments or being in anyone's face. I just didn't think a made-up creature called the flying spaghetti monster was all that mature.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Hahahahaa made up? THE IRONY. IT'S KILLING ME. I TRIED TO STAY OUT OF THIS BUT I CAN'T

by Anonymous 11 years ago

@ Jodie: You may not be able to accept proof of a God, but there's proof directly above that you need to improve your arguments.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

@Jodie: The Earth hasn't and couldn't have always just "been" the Earth was formed about 10 billion years after the Big Bang was thought to have taken place.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Yeah seriously just disregard all that. It was a year ago and I was pissed and I have matured. Well don't disregard all of it. Whatever I don't actually really mind what it is you do. But it just angers me when people's argument is "humans wouldn't understand"

by Anonymous 11 years ago

wait wait wait just hold up. What exactly is your proof of a god, besides the bible?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

There are scientific studies that explain the certainty of God. Look them up if you care. Also, why is "humans don't understand" a bad argument? There are so many things humans don't get about God.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

No no no none of that shit. I could easily say the same for atheism. Just tell me right now, what type of things? Well firstly, how can you claim to know that if you are, in fact, human?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Not all humans don't understand God, and those who do don't understand Him fully. But it's mainly the difference between "Why would God do this?" And "it's part of God's plan."

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Okay. I think I'm just going to stop now. You're just like preaching at me which means absolutely nothing to me seeing as I don't believe a god exists. YOU WIN THE ARGUMENT. YAY

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Are you sure your debating skills have improved since last year? You may wanna check again. And Runy, what you said is a perfect example of not understanding God.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Hahaha they may not have. I tend to get a little too angry to debate. To be clear though, I never did say they improved.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Runy's an atheist. How does one expect an atheist to "understand god" when we don't believe he exists? I feel like you're having some trouble grasping that concept.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I know Runy's an atheist, and the main reason a lot of people are atheists is because they don't understand God so they believe He just don't exist.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

@ Runy: In that one comment you proved you don't understand God.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Hmm... I think that was a BIT of a generalization and that you don't actually talk to many atheists. I myself am able to see the countless faults of Christianity and Catholicism. I believe in logic, not faith. I don't know many people who claim that there is actually evidence of god besides the bible, they just blindly rely on faith. I also dont need a god in my life. I feel that being a good person on my own without fear of eternal punishment is enough. And if god wasn't a dick, and actually all loving, I would not be eternally damned for denying his existence.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I've been through countless religious arguments like this one so I could much predict that's what your next comment would say. I've already said that pretty much no human fully understands God, and that includes me. So instead of seeking an explanation from me, why don't you try something else? Maybe something more physical or focused on experiences, like visiting church or looking for God in nature. There's always a different way for each person, but there's really no point to "I wanna know how God works. Tell me." The only thing I can tell you right now is that God has a plan, and you'll rarely be able to see the big picture. The rest you need to try to figure out for yourself. Sorry if my comment sounds too "preachy" as Jodie might put it.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

And the next predictable course of action, getting upset because you were provided with no solid facts. A little too upset in this case. Well, not everybody is meant to know God. I just hope you try again later when you feel like you can. Also, sorry if I come across as pretentious, I'm really not trying to.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Brilliant debating tactic Anonymous... if that IS your real name!! Setting an unquestionable standard on the table with defining unfalsifiable characteristics that bars it from scrutiny, without giving explanation for why it can be done for your arguments and not any others counter to it, most especially for the ones that endanger it. I applaud thee, anon. You fooled others. But not me. muaha

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Clearly, you're not upset. And why ask me for help so you can point out my "bullshit"? That's like me asking you to explain a scientific theory so I can tell you you're wrong.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Because anon, that's what debating is. They tell you shit, and you prove them wrong.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Why does it seem like all atheist are so prideful & self righteous?. Science, reason, logic, & facts don't get you into heaven, but FAITH does. Ask yourself this. When you die and it turns out that you were wrong & there actually is a hell and you are burning in it. Ask yourself if the pride was worth it. Of course it'll all be too late then, but there's still a chance now. Life isn't a game & life isn't just something that happened. It's a creation & a gift. If the atheist is wrong they have their soul suffering for eternity, but if the Christian is wrong we don't really have anything to lose, but everything to gain. Jesus Christ is the answer. Open your bible & educate yourself. learn the full side of the other story before discrediting an entire religion.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

That's precisely why I am not religious. I don't want to believe in a god because I'm SCARED. I don't want to do good things because I'm scared. I don't care if they don't get me into heaven. I'm not looking to get into heaven. It's not pride. It's standing up for what you believe in.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I've read the whole bible and am still an atheist y

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Not only that, but I want others to realize they don't have to live in fear.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Quick question which one's the right religion?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Oh yeah, God doesn't require a creator. He's eternal. Time only exists in our realm so we can't really comprehend how something can have no beginning and no end. Also for the people that believe God is just a man in the sky trying to order people around that's not true at all. God gifted us with free will. He doesn't wish to force us to love & obey him. We have to decide if we're gonna do that on our own. 1john 4:7-8 states that love is of God &God is love. Which means that he's not here to condemn us. He even sent Jesus to die for us because he loves us so much. The price has alrdy been paid, but it's your choice if you're gonna accept the gift or not. . You may think that you're not a bad person & your good deeds could get you in to heaven. But ever since our ancestors screwed up in the garden of eden every human is born into sin. Which ultimately means that we need a savoir. God holds us to a high standard and accepts us to be righteous or at least aim to be. He loves you more than you could ever imagine & he doesn't want you to go to hell, but you have to personally make the choice. God's mercy is gracious, but even he has his limits.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I stopped reading that halfway through. Sorry.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

ok

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Jodie, I don't serve God because I'm scared of going to hell. The main reason I want to go to heaven is because I'll be living in the presence of God forever. I've experienced supernatural things for myself that has proved to me that there is a God. If you accept Jesus into your life sincerely then you would know the truth. Because His love is so overwhelming it's incredible. When I speak with my creator & feel a rush of joy out of nowhere that's proof to me that he cares. His spirit is inside me & he's the only One who brings me true happiness. I pray that one day you can experience this bliss and I hope you won't believe that Christianity is based off of scare tactics. It's based on LOVE. Why would you not want to have a personal relationship with the one who created you?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

OH MY THIS CONVERSATION COULD BE ENDLESS. I AM AN ATHEIST. I DO NOT BELIEVE A GOD EXISTS. I DO NOT BELIEVE A GOD CREATED ME. THEREFORE, I HAVE NO INTEREST IN HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH SAID GOD. END OF STORY.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

SpearmintMilk, why are you atheist? did you read the entire bible and then conclude that it was false?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Geez Jodie, no need to put the Caplocks on to try and get your point across. I'm saying all this to you in Love. I wouldn't have mentioned anything if I didn't care. It's my job as a Christian to try and spread the good news. I wish the best for you (:

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Well technically I am an agnostic atheist but atheistic about any version of the Abrahamic God. I concluded that it was false based off my reason and logic. I went to a Christian school for 13 years and spent a fair amount of time in church.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

WELL THANK YOU

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Believe it or not, Jodie, but caps lock isn't necessary to say you don't want to debate anymore.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I THINK YOU'RE WRONG.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

You're a comedian.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

;)

by Anonymous 11 years ago

SpearmintMilk: How can you use reason & logic as a legitimate argument against an all powerful God that can do whatever he wants for whatever reason he sees fit. Logic discredits his existence in no way.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I regret ever commenting on this

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Same. I hate this new commenting system.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Jodie, not picking a side, as my personal believes are just that, but humans do have difficulty understanding bigger concepts. For example, Quantum Physics. Most of it does not follow logic, but has to follow something. Time does not exist, nor does logic. What may seems as logic has no basis outside the realm of the human mind.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

ilovenani: The existence of all matter in the universe requires proof. When concrete evidence does not exist we use logic and reason to make an assumption based on tangible evidence of another subject that directly relates to the subject in question. There is no absolute evidence of the existence of god, and since there is no tangible evidence of any other subject that relates directly to the existence of God, we must therefore logically and reasonably conclude that at this time there is no God. For example I can claim that there are fairies at the bottom of my garden, but there is no concrete evidence to support that, nor is there any direct evidence to support that in the surrounding environs, therefore it must be logically be assumed that the fairies are a product of my imagination.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I'm just saying SpearmintMilk that you shouldn't try to reason that way to say the supernatural can't possibly exist because it goes against logic. That makes no sense. Just because you can't see the wind/air doesn't mean it's not there. If you ever had a spiritual revelation yourself and something paranormal took place would you then believe you're a crazy person because what took place couldn't be backed up by science? God isn't matter therefore you can't try to use a scientific equation on how he got here. He's an ethereal beings. Humans often don't wanna trust or believe something they can't comprehend outside of what they see. Even when Jesus was on Earth doing miracles right before their eyes they didn't believe because it was something they couldn't grasp. Logically speaking there's no plausible explanation for how he could've raised a man from the dead, but it happened and they rejected Jesus because they didn't understand. Logic & reason can only explain so much, it doesn't mean that everything else is false...just means there must be something more.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I never said it could never exist because it goes against logic, I just have no reason to believe in it because it goes against logic. We know the wind and air is there even if we can't see it because we can feel it and see the tangible effects it has on other things (like trees being blown over), it is reasonable to assume that air exists despite not being able to see it. Would the paranormal thing have tangible effects on other things or just a feeling in my mind? Humans have amazing brains that can trick you into thinking and feeling all sorts of things that aren't there eg: phantom limbs, false memories, hallucinations etc. Ok there is absolutely no evidence that Jesus preformed any miracles like bringing someone back from the dead what so ever, so please don't bring that in as if it helps your argument, because it doesn't.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

SpearmintMilk- I'm just trying to get you to expand your thinking. They say us Christians are close minded, but most atheists think everything is black and white, like there could never be anything more powerful than what their tiny brains can fathom. The human brain is incredible, but it's not THAT powerful. Just like I can feel the wind blowing in my face to prove it's there; I can FEEL God's love all the time, I'm not crazy nor does my brain get these notions out of nowhere. Do you believe that every person who has ever claimed to have seen angels or people that have encountered demons....you believe those millions of people are lying? That they just made it up with their 'incredible' minds? About 15 million people in the U.S. alone have had a near death experience; over half of those people have claimed to have gotten a glimpse into the afterlife while they were pronounced dead. They can see things, hear things, and report back to you what people were doing while they were 'dead' ? Science can't really explain how that's possible at this point, but it is real.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Also SpearmintMilk I was using Jesus' miracles as an example. The whole point is that a lot of people didn't even believe in him even tho the proof was right in front of them. If Jesus came back tomorrow and started doing miracles in front of people, he would still have those doubters. Anyways I'm pretty much done on this comment thread, but if you wanna message me and discuss this broad topic further you can do that. I don't mind, i actually enjoy this. No sarcasm intended. :) John 20:29 Blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed <3

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Screw Jesus crystal light beats the shit outta wine

by Anonymous 11 years ago

My friend saw a unicorn once, do you think it was just because he was high? that he just made it up with his 'incredible' mind? how dare you. I mean no one else saw it, or heard it or anything. But he has faith it's real

by Anonymous 11 years ago

ilovenani, I'm just going to throw down some facts here. Some facts that, in my opinion, explain religion. People look for answers. We didn't have the means to find answers way back when religion was starting to form, and a man in the sky who did everything was the easiest solution, as well as the best solution because it couldn't be argued with. There are a looot of naturally occurring hallucinogens on this Earth, and people have been using them long before we ever knew what they did. People on a drug without knowing they are on a drug are likely to believe whatever they saw. There is a fungus that grows on rye called ergot. Ergot contains a chemical, ergotamine, that is a precursor to LSD. If a crop of rye gets tainted, we'd have entire cities at a time unwittingly hallucinating. People rarely grow out of old wives' tails unless proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt. Two things still touted as common sense are cannabis killing brain cells and that people shouldn't fall asleep after a concussion. Both are definitively false, but good luck convincing someone otherwise. Something as pervasive and unprovable as religion is sure never to leave our minds. Food for thought.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Also, as for people seeing those visions during a near death experience, it should be noted that the brain dumps it's left-over neurotransmitters in the case of perceived death as a last rush sort of thing. These are the same chemicals that cause hallucinations when taking drugs. Just as it's no coincidence that the trip has a similar character from drug to drug, I would say it's no coincidence that people have similar visions from near death experiences. That's just what happens. And as for the visions being what they are, it's pretty difficult for them NOT to be of that nature considering that religion is so prevalent. Dying automatically brings angels and demons to mind for most people. Same as your day can have an effect on the content of your dreams, what everyone constantly talks about can have an effect on your dying. Simple as that.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

ilovenani: Wow ok, you can’t just write me a wall of text and tell me that you’re done and not expect me to reply to the questions in the vain hope that that means you won or something. The people up there ^^^ covered most things so I’ll make it brief. Most atheists are not saying that there is nothing more powerful, if there was any proof of a god(s) they would believe it, but there isn’t, other people’s feelings aren’t proof. I’m sure your brain did not get the notion out of nowhere, you were told about God, if you were raised in a culture where Christianity was non-existent you would not be Christian. I don’t think that the people that have seen angels and damons are lying… but I do think they are deluded. Your brain can manifest images take for example people who are lost in a desert dying of thirst, often they will hallucinate lakes or other water sources because that’s what they WANT to believe is there. Like Mike_Hawk said, there IS a scientific explanation for people “experiencing an afterlife”.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I’ll say this again so it is clear. You can not use Jesus’ miracles as any sort of argument because there is no proof of them ever happening and even lots of Christians believe that they are metaphors (as do I especially after reading the book Jesus The Man by Barbara Thiering). The bible is not proof of the bible. Otherwise I can write on a napkin, "I am the Queen of England", do you think if I rocked up to Buckingham Palace and waved it in front of the guards telling them that I am the real Queen of England and to kick Lizzy out they'd do what I said? No, because just because something is written down does not make it true. P.S We can see when you up-vote your own comments.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

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by Anonymous 11 years ago

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by Anonymous 11 years ago

You guys must think I'm uneducated or something. Ok everyone who replied to everything I've posted, here's the truth. I was raised in a Christian household and I'm extremely grateful for that. When I was about 16 or 17 I started having doubts about what I believe, naturally. So I educated myself about the other possibilities out there. I studied Hinduism, Buddhism, Mormonism, Wiccan, Islam, Theory of Evolution, Taoism, Universalism, Etc etc. I had an open mind during all of this studying and I was classified as an agnostic during this time. I never denied the existence of a God, but I was extremely skeptical. My point is that I'm not blindly following my faith without observing other options. I've done my research and I've concluded that Christianity makes the most sense.Simple as that. I've had my own spiritual journey, everyone should. If you're an Atheist and your wiling to bet your life that there's no God then good luck. I too am willing to die for what I believe is truth. Not trying to sound so extreme, but you'll believe what you believe and I'll continue believing my faith. That's all I have to say. (:

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I was scrolling down this entire thing, watching Jodie be in the negatives then positives then negatives, many amirite chat members join, a plethora of tl;dr and I completely forgot the original point.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I'm not sure how to vote on this, because I have always wondered how God could be created, yet I don't believe that earth and all this shit could just come out of nowhere either.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Maybe "God" is a race of beings that evolved a few billions of years before us and they figured out how to create life on other planets and we're the product. Then in the future we do the same thing and that planet has their own God but really it was just us. Who knows. The entire concept of God is impossible, that's what makes it God. We'll find out when we die, until then lets all just get along =D (to bad getting along with one another is equally impossible).

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I wouldn't know, I haven't studied that one yet. Although, they are one of the nicer groups I've come into contact with.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Prometheus the movie

by Anonymous 11 years ago

^ spoiler alert..

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Not really, thats given at the begining

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I have yet to see the movie so I wouldnt know.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Oh well I didnt give away anything

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Aliens seems more likely than a being of power. And thats not me being a sarcastic dick. But id love to hear someones views on both sides, Promise not to persecute.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

My mom would crucify me if I told her my religious beliefs. Im "Nihilist", but i feel like a douche bag for using a term ha. Basically no intrinsic values in life

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I took it from the Latin word Nihil meaning nothing, so I just think were here because were here. Big bang or everything was just here. Maybe even aliens but just no spiritual being that controls our fates after death. And the definition I read was "The belief that life has no intrinsic value". But you can say im Jonesist if that fits better ha

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Well I feel comfortable with death right now (though we will see if thats just a facade when im actually dying) and i just think you rot in the ground. Circle of life

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Well you do as nutrients, memories, and paper work.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

The mind? I feel its just a complex organ. The body basically serves the brain and keeps it alive.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Ling ling, thoughts and feelings just go away because they're part of the brain and when you die the brain ceases to be used. So your thoughts disappear when you die. It makes sense.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I guess that where YOLO comes from. Make the most of the time you have and be the best person you can be.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

My belief is that He was always there. Always. Never was a creation. Humans cannot understand it. Our imaginations can only go so far. We've never experienced something that didn't have to do with time. We always worry about time. But somewhere, I think there's a place where time doesn't exist, and that's where God is.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I don't know if this was already said but here goes: To put it simply, God has no beginning or end. It is hard for humans to wrap their head around because we ourselves as well as everything we know has had a beginning and will see an end.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Human beings can hardly place themselves in another person's point of view to settle disagreements so I think it'd be pretty difficult for a human to understand everything about the universe. God or no God; whether we find out someday or not doesn't matter. What matters is that we're here now. Rather than argue over things we'll most likely never understand, we should put our focus in trying to understand one another.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Has anyone read The Egg? I forget the author and as I'm on mobile and about to fall asleep I don't particularly feel like looking it up I'm not going to post the link but it's a really good short story. If you just google The Egg you should be able to find it. It really makes you think about everything you are and everything you elieve in.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Andy Weir http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgHvGg_2Lew

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Im not religious but i understand the religious argument. Basically if you can't understand the concept of eternity, you'll never understand the concept of a God.

by Anonymous 11 years ago