+505 The Bible says homosexuality is wrong? Well then, since the Bible is right all of the time, I guess we should ban the consumption of shellfish and execute brides if they aren't virgins when they marry, amirite?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Uh, duh?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Dude.. your posts rock

by Anonymous 13 years ago

^thinks shes unique cause she's athiests

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm not an athiest. I think the bible is full of BS. I'm entitled to my own opinion, and saying that his posts rock doesn't indicate athiesm what so ever. So shut up.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You have to take the context into consideration- like 'women should cover their heads' in Corinthians. It meant women should dress appropriately. In Corinth it was appropriate to cover your head, in modern-day society it's appropriate to cover your breasts. Same thing.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

How do you know it was supposed to be taken metaphorically? What if times were that harsh when the bible was written?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I am a devout Christian and attend Bible studies- the Bible is not as simple as people think, EVERYTHING in the Bible has both a literal and metaphoric meaning.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

its literal, stfu, noah being over 400 years old cannot be taken metaphorically

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It isn't anyone's right to pick and choose whether it is metaphorical or literal just because one or the other sounds bizarre.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well you should, that's what brides should be. White is supposed to be pure. If you aren't a virgin on your wedding day, wear a different colour.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

This is stupid. obviously you don't know about the bible enough to bring up an argument. Jesus came to a woman who committed adultery who was about to get stoned, and he basically said, "you're not perfect either, so the first person who's never done anything wrong, can cast the first stone" he wouldn't condone that, but that doesn't mean you can still do it without any consequences.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm still trying to figure out how this comment relates to the post. We couldn't do it without any consequences because nobody has never done anything wrong. Basically your comment confused the hell out of me.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I think she was focusing on the adultery thing and got slightly off topic. It's all good, though, cuz what she said was true

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(True Blue<3): And here I thought that adultery was sexual relations of a married person with someone other than their spouse. But now I guess it's considered not being a virgin on your wedding day.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I don't think you're getting it. The point was is that Jesus is understanding that nobody is perfect. This isn't specific to adultery, it can be applied to all sins- such as losing your virginity before marriage.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Adultery is having sex outside of marriage. Losing your virginity when you're not married is adultery... because you're not married... hence, it's outside of marriage. Just saying.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

we should also ban beetle bowl cuts. (and wouldnt that be tragic?)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

For the shellfish comment: I suggest you look up Matthew 15:11. That will completely void your argument. Jodi was correct; you don't know the context. Please don't be so ignorant if you're going to bash.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That just shows one of the many contradictions the bible has to offer. You'd think an all-knowing being can write a book without mistakes?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

God didn't write the Bible, FYI. Thought everyone knew that...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

People believe that he was speaking through humans to write it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

However, humans were still writing it, and all humans make errors. Aside from that, though, why do you think that there are mistakes in the Bible? I'm not sure I understand the reason for your statement in the first place, to be honest.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Many things in the old testament were proven wrong, so a new testament was created to cover them up. Not to mention, there are contradictions everywhere.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I get what you're saying, but do you think that makes the Bible wrong? I mean, the US Constitution is the same way, essentially. Along with numerous other important documents.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

In some cases the Constitution is wrong in my opinion, but the bible is different because whenever there is something questionable in it, the credibility of the point of the bible is lost.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah but people dont worship and create religions about the Constitution.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Dude... There is such a thing as an Old Testament, applicable to the Jews, and a New Testament, for the Christians. You don't know the first thing about the Bible. Jesus completely disowned nearly all the beliefs that the Jews held. He told them that many things were more important than the laws. For instance, one person asked if they should save a drowning child on the Sabbath. That's how ridiculously they followed the laws. Jesus told him that OF COURSE you save the child. Be logical.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

People will believe whatever they hear. You can go ahead and manipulate the story around as much as you want, but it doesn't negate the fact that there are many contradictions in the bible. There isn't proof that Jesus said or did any of this.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm not 'manipulating' the story; you're saying stuff that you can't back up. There are precious few contradictions, and of those, most of them aren't contradictions in the Greek, and even more so, the old testament was written for the Jews. Some things aren't applicable today. Because of Jesus. Show me a contradiction, if you can.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Also I never said there wasn't an Old testament.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Scrantoncity is homosexual and humps inanimate objects.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ignorant, overly religious Bible freaks.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Also, you have to add that we aren't supposed to wear mixed fabrics because it is an abomination. Just for future reference to save myself some reply time, the verse is Deuteronomy 22:11

by Anonymous 13 years ago

sorry if i t seems stupid for asking, but where in the Bible does it say that gays can't get married? I'm honestly wondering...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Whether or not homosexuality is condemned in the Bible is up for debate. The passage often cited is about how one shouldn't "lie with a man as one does with a woman", but that is somewhat vague and you have to keep in mind that those words have been translated and twisted many times in the last 2,000 years. I've never seen a Biblical quote that outright says that it is a sin.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Thanks. I'm catholic and i believe that gay people can get married. I've never read anything in the Bible about it so i was just wondering. Thanks for clarifying(:

by Anonymous 13 years ago

@525364 (MarukaiteChikyuu): I love you guys.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

thanks i guess? :p

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm just happy to see some religious people who speak up for gay marriage. I know that there are a lot of religious people who are okay with it, and it saddens me that people just assume that all religious people are against it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh i know! in my group of friends, three of us believe in gay marriage and two of us don't. And it's not like we argue about it but sometimes we'll discuss it. I really hate when people have to get in big fights about it and get all angry.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

On the contrary, there are about six or seven accounts condemning homosexuality... Don't just make up stuff against a religion. Leviticus 18:22 "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin." But, like the OP, if you choose to bring in the pointless laws in Leviticus that many had to follow to be "pure," I'll give you another: 1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals." Do NOT make up stuff about the Bible, especially when you don't know hardly ANYTHING.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

How was I making stuff up? I just said that I personally had never seen a Biblical quote that said that. And I'm sorry that I "don't know hardly anything" (it's so ironic that a grammar nazi like you said that) about the Bible; I prefer reading sci-fi instead of fantasy.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The irony here is that "don't know hardly anything," unwieldy it may be, is actually correct. You 'don't know anything.' Just add an adverb... Don't argue grammar with me; I am most definitely right in this instance. I misread your post; I thought you said the ONLY passage in the Bible cited was that one. My mistake, but even still, that generalization is still a bit untrue. I cite as many as I can, for as much proof as I want.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Dont you dare call the Bible fantasy. I don't care if you have a debate about it, but if it turns that heated and therefore insults the people of the Christian faith, that's where I draw the line. Shut up.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(True Blue<3): I've already started the debate. My thesis is that a book about talking animals, 900 year old men, spontaneous pillars or fire, magically parting seas, pregnant virgins and a zombie who you can telepathically talk to is fantasy. No one has yet said anything defending those ridiculous plot devices and characters. The Bible shouldn't be interpreted literally; it is a bunch of moral stories and extreme exagerrations of real historical events.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Genesis 19:1-13, Leviticus 18:22, 20:13, Romans 1:26-27, and 1 Corinthians 6:9. Personally, I'm a Christian yet I don't find anything wrong with gay marriage.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

@BreakfastFan: no it's not up for debate at all really. it's kind of obvious the bible is against it. @525322 (jen): there are quite a few spots 1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God." Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Thank you. Straight up. And kind of hard to argue with. The Bible does say it's wrong, that isn't up for debate. The only thing up for debate is how 'religious people' wanna twist it around and try to make it okay.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Quoting big long bible passages that nobody is ever going to take the time to read doesn't mean you're right. I know how to copy and paste too.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah, the fact that you won't read it is kinda your problem, not ours. Attention span of a goldfish. And it does prove they are right. They were proving that the Bible says that it is wrong to be homosexual, and look at that! They verse that you were too lazy to read? Yeah, it says that it's wrong to be homosexual. Voila! See how that works?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

actually it does make me right. i quoted directly because they asked for direct quotes, if I just said "oh somewhere in the bible it says homosexuals won't inherit the earth," that wouldn't be proof. also obviously some people are taking the time to read it, and it isn't even that long. once again, i'm all for gay marriage!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

along with the verses about men lieing with men, but apparently that is "up for debate" DISCLAIMER: I am Catholic AND believe gays should be able to marry :)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

THERE'S the verse! Been looking for that but couldn't find the reference cuz I couldn't remember. Thank you! Id read that the Bible says homosexuality is wrong and I've read several verses abt it but I didn't remember where. Christians that think its ok haven't read enough of the Bible.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

There's so much contradictory stuff in the Bible that it's not even funny. I highly doubt that a extremely large amount of the people on this site has even read the bible cover to cover, me included. But still, Christian or not, you do have to admit that the bible is as vague as the Articles of Confederation. If not then more :)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

this is why i pray to The Superfriends

by Anonymous 13 years ago

And never cut our hair. -_- The Bible is very VERY old. Times change, things change. Eventually, Jesus will return to us and we can rewrite the Bible in his new word.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

not all bibles say this! i strongly disagree that homosexuality is a sin and i am very christian. my version of the bible says no such thing.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Hey, not trying to be rude or nothing so don't take this as me being stuck up or anything like that. But I do believe homosexuality is a sin. That's one of the things Soddom and Gomorrah were destroyed for. I found some verses, I believe in Corinthians but dnt quote me on the location bcuz I dnt remeber off the top of my head, that mention that. Maybe u can find them. Ill try and look too. But one thing is that God had created a perfect qworld in which nothing was wrong or amiss, and in that world, the couple was a man and a woman. Not a man and a man. Not a woman and woman. Those r just some of my reasons tho. Imma see if I can find the verses though.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(Jesus Freak): Yeah, but the bible also says that your body is just a temple for your soul. Since souls happen to be genderless, it should be perfectly okay to be gay since your body is just a temple. Either that, or God is just making us suffer because it's funny. Are there any other reasons why he would contradict himself like that? Honestly?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Just checked. My Bible says such things. 1 Cor. 6:9-10. Is yours... broken?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Then you don't own a standard Bible..

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Before anyone starts flaming, read the entire bible in Exactly as it was when it was written. A lot was lost in translation, yes, but the gist of everything got across in translations. Also, before flaming one of the world's largest religions, think.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Im religious but not a big fan of homosexuals getting married, but i understand times change. The only thing i really do hate, are they homosexuals that exploit being gay to a point that is just annoying.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I have. And not just read but studied with commentary. Several times for most parts. All religious jews do. If I would have time or patience I can easily convince most people on this site of the truth that is my religion. But that's not what my god wants from me. As long as we're all good people I have no problems with other peoples beliefs and respect it and I wish others would do the same.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That is exactly how it should be, its a waste of energy to try to convince people. I'm glad you see that everyone is good, and religion isnt a determining factor.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

YOU CAN'T WORK ON SUNDAY EITHER!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The shellfish stuff is old covenenant. In hebrews it explains that Jesus fulfilled the old covenant, and it is obsolete. In one of the gospels it also says that Jesus declared all foods "clean" and able to be eaten without sin. Homosexuality is still sin, and is mentioned in Romans.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve. Read 1 Corinthians 6:9.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

We should kill all girls who aren't virgins before marriage. Those whores. (NOTE: Joke.)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

there are absolutely no mistakes in the true old bible. thats all i gotta say.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

if you knew anything about the bible, those sins were in the old covenant. With Christ's blood we have the new covenant which says no such things!get your facts right before you type.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

what im not really understanding is why its only the Christians being attacked. both Judaism and Islam have the Christian bible's old testimate in the Torah/Koran. why is no one slandering Jews or Muslims? In all three religions' sacred books it says things about not wearing certain fabrics, or eating certain meat, or having sexual relations with certain individuals, or not doing work on the sabbath, and to stone those who commit these sins etc etc.i believe in religious tolerance and have nothing against ANY religion, so i obviously dont want anyone to slander Jews or Muslims, but i just find it odd that Christianity is the ONLY religion being attacked, and wished to point that out. I personally dont understand why so many non-religious people dislike Christians so much.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well, I was raised Catholic, so I'm just more familiar with the bible than I am with the Torah, Qua'ran, etc. I think that's probably why Christianity seems to be attacked more, because more people are familiar with it. And I don't dislike Christians, and I'm not trying to attack anyone. I dislike fundamentalists/extremists of ANY religion (or non-religion, I suppose) who try to push their beliefs into politics and into other people's lives. I'm sorry if it came across as an attack, that wasn't my intent :)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

hmm yes that does make sense. christianity is technically the worlds largest religion, so i suppose more people do know more about it (or think they do for that matter) which i actually find kind of sad- that so many people know very little about other religions of the world. when in religious debates i think people should know about other religions with similar and opposite views. and i wasnt saying YOU necessarily dislike or were attacking christians, i just ment a lot of non-religious people in general (ive picked up that vibe from several people's comments on this post.) and i wholeheartedly agree with you that extremism is wrong in any form. oh and fyi, im glad that you responded intelligently to my post, seeing as how several people here (on both sides) have absolutely no clue what theyre saying hahaha

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Christianity is more prominent, especially on the internet. And just for the record christianity is absolutely not the only religion that is "attacked". I've often seen Islam or just religion in general being criticized as well.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

i meant the only religion being attacked on this post. yes, islam is also commonly attacked because islam is sterotyped to middle eastern extremists.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

all sins are equal in god's eyes. stealing/cheating/lying/murder/etc. most of the christians i know (except for a few) don't bash gay people, hating someone is a sin too. i've also met a few gay christians, and they are without a doubt some of the nicest people i have ever met. in fact, one of my best friends is bi, and he's a christian. well. not so much anymore. but he was. i'm not saying that i support gay marriage, and i'm not saying that i'm against it. it just bugs me when people hate on gay people when being rude to someone is just as bad. we're all sinners. every single one of us.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No one is hating on homosexuals...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

i've met people who bash homosexuals all the time. sorry, I should've said that. :p

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Who really gives a fuck what the bible says? It doesn't affect your life. At least not mine. Say what you want to this comment; you're not gonna convert me or make me think otherwise.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

i care a lot about what the bible says, and so do all of my friends. and it does effect peoples lives. it even saves peoples lives.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ur mixing things up here. Ur mixing up the Bible, and the culture of Biblical times. In biblical times, brides were executed for having sex before marriage. The Bible, while it DOES say not to, nowdays we dnt execute in streets, or anywhere for tht matter. Comsumption of shellfish being wrong, that is Old Testament, before Jesus died for us, so they had many other, strict rules to abide by to remain pure, such as sacrifcing animals to cover their sins. Homosexuality, however is wrong. That is in both the OT and New Testament. In the OT homosexuals were killed. Sinners of anykind were killed. But now, since we r all sinners, and since Jesus died for us, we dnt need to sacrifice animals for our sins, because jesus already took care of them. We just accept Him. Homosexuality, just like any other sin, just need to be asked forgiveness of to God, and turn from it. Homosexuality is no worse than any other sin, stealing, etc. Its all equal in God's eyes because any sin, whether we see it a...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(Jesus Freak): YES YES YES. finally! someone who understands!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ali_d, you dislike people who push their beliefs into politics, are the gays not doing that exact thing right now? Pushing their belief that it's okay to marry one another because of love? But its not okay for christians to tell people about God out of love? :)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's not exactly "pushing their beliefs" onto politics because of religion, it's trying to have the same rights as everyone else. People who try to ban gay marriage aren't directly affected themselves, but others who are in love and want to marry (negatively). People who are trying to legalize gay marriage are affected themselves, and those who aren't marrying the same sex, others, but in a positive way. I respect anyones beliefs, as long as they aren't hurting or negatively affecting others.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Gay marriage isn't a religion. It's a right that they believe they should have and that is a damn good topic that people could worry about. When they say, "Keep beliefs out of politics" they mean religion. Seperation of state and church. Dumbass.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You're an idiot.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Of course there has to be someone who posts this. Just to start problems. I know the Bible is right, about everything. Sure, there is Old Testament that doesn't apply quite the same anymore, but unless you're an idiot, you can figure it out. But, that's just my opinion.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Wowwwww ignorant super religous freaks...look. Think about this all scientifically. Science isn't something to go against religion before I get a million comments about that, it's to help define religion. Ever considered that the bible was written to give people a guide as what to do to survive? Most shellfish could get people sick in those days, as could pork or mixing meat with cheese like the Jewish bible prevents. Sex before marriage was pretty much a death sentence in itself if people did it enough, some of the same diseases existed, and young girls getting pregnant could just get left with a child. Nowadays those rules don't really apply because people know what foods are poisonous and how to deal with a stomachache and there's birth control and condoms and STD tests so things are safer.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

In the old days, if people acted on their sexual urges with people of the same gender, no one would reproduce. Nowadays, the world is over-populated anyways and if people really needed to they could donate to a sperm bank or something. Really, if they love each other they should be allowed to get married to who they want to no matter of the gender. Otherwise we're just asking for more loveless marriages just because that's what's considered better or whatever. They should be allowed to get married and have the same rights as straight married couples. The bible shouldn't be allowed to break up true love just because it's of the same gender.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

THIS!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Why are homosexual couple's love automatically truer than straight? Isn't it ignorant to assume that a gay couple is more in love than a straight one? Does being gay mean you can't get played by your partner?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No one is saying homosexual love is more pure than straight love. But when straight people can get married just for the benefits, there are often marriages of convenience, or marriages with no love at all. But if a gay couple is willing to go through all the ridicule, hatred, and bigotry just to get married, one can pretty much safely assume that it is not a marriage of convenience, but that it is one of love.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Exactly.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

you have good points, but i think the argument is about whether or not the bible says it's wrong, not if gays should be allowed to marry

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"Ignorant super religious freaks"? Well, that was a little rude. And a bit of an overreaction. Why can't you let them believe what they wanna believe, and you believe what you want. This is just turning into a war over something that's never gonna end anyway. You'll always think differently. Get over it, rude super gay marriage supporter.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Exactly! religion causes conflict and war! Thank you for agreeing.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Sorry if I was a bit harsh when I said "ignorant super religous freaks." Yes, people should be entitled to their own beliefs. But trying to force their beliefs on others and trying to tell others that what they're doing is a sin they have no rights to.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Actually, Jesus didn't persecute these people. John 8:1. It's amazing how "christians" these days have made Jesus seem :/

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah we should. I don't eat shellfish and people should be virgins before they marry.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Lols to the not eating Shellfish. It is called keeping kosher. Lots of Jews keep kosher. It isn't crazy, it's normal. I love when people use this example to show how crazy the bible is. It just makes them look like an idiot.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm not trying to make Jews or the bible sound crazy or anything. I'm just using it as an example of how we shouldn't let religious practices or beliefs get mixed up with our government and laws.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The reason gay marriage isn't fully accepted by the government is not only because of religion. It wasn't accepted by the most non religious of people either until fairly recently.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Rude super gay marriage supporter? You're fucking stupid. And that's as nicely as anyone could put it. I'm waiting for the day that science proves homosexuality cannot be helped, and that it is in existence from birth so everyone saying it's a "sin" can shut the fuck up. Because I guarentee you, whether in the near or distant future, it will happen. And I love God by the way, I'm just astonished how many narrow minded people there are.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Wait- I think we already proved homosexuality can't be helped?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Keeping kosher is not all we do. All those metaphorical stories in the old testament are our history that we believe to be totally true. We keep all the laws written in there and still live totally normal lives. Yes I don't believe homosexuality is ok but I know why. I also don't think being gay is someone's 'fault'. And I definately don't think gay people burn in hell.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

yay! a smart religous person! i love it when i see you guys :D

by Anonymous 13 years ago

RosesAndNerd: no it hasn't been fully proven yet. It's just astonishing how people are saying that being a homosexual is living in sin, but don't worry, just repress who you are and ask for forgiveness and you'll be fine. If someone is born homosexual, why would they have to ask for forgiveness for something they can't even help?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I was just sayin, they believe they should be able to get married, that's a belief as well as religion is. No need to be hostile. :P

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I dont agree with Homosexuals getting married, but thats not the point im trying to make. Reading all these, posts its about people flaming religion and defending it. But ill ask you this; The governors and presidents in other countries arent all necessary religious and they still dont agree with homosexuality. People dont agree with it, because it seems to ruin the virtous of what most see as marriage. A child needs a mother and a father, not two men and two women as parents

by Anonymous 13 years ago

why do i feel like every time Christianity and gay rights come up in an amirite that it's the same argument over and over and over..

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's all based on history, though. Sure, maybe a man didn't live to be 900 years old, but the whole point of the Immaculate Conception holiday is that, yes, Mary did conceieve Jesus with no human sperm help. And that might sound crazy to you, but we're talking about a God that pretty much has unlimited power

by Anonymous 13 years ago