+497 I'm pretty sure hate is a sin... so, wouldn't those oh so devout Christians that think homosexuality is a sin, and hate gays be sinning? amirite?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

We dont HATE gays, we just frown upon the idea of homosexuality. under and circumstances do Christians hate any human being.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I agree. The OP got too excited and mistook discouragement for hatred.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Please see my comment waaaaaay below.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No thanks, I don't have time to look for you trying to cover your butt.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well, someone has a big 'ol stick up their butt.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Then what's with you Christians hating Muslims?!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What the hell is with the generalizations?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Dude, guess how many generalizations I deal with every day.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Pretty sure I'm a Christian and I married a Muslim. FU.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I walk around every day being called a terrorist for no apparent reason. Just because you accept Muslims doesn't mean more than half the Christians in my school do. But lol at the "pretty sure I'm Christian" part.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

My husband went through that at school too. Have you ever hear the saying, "You criticize most that which you don't understand." People fear not understanding something but are too narrow minded and hard hearted to want to understand or learn more about it. Or maybe they would be open to hearing it but scared of change. Humans by nature hate change. People are so sheltered anymore that they basically become herds of misanthropes. Anything unlike themselves is bad. Anything not the way they know things is bad.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You also said something that interested me. You said, "Just because you accept Muslims doesn't mean more than half the Christians in my school do." I completely sympathize with that, but look at it in a broader sense. What are they going to matter in 5 years down the road? Absolutely. Nothing. "..those who mind don't matter, and those who matter wont mind.." I'm not sure if you're still in High School or college -whatever-, I always thought the way people looked at me and the things they said about me meant everything. I always thought that defines who I am because that's what they said I was. Nobody controls you but you. Nobody can 'make you mad', as my brothers love to say, because you're allowing them that control in your life. I know it's much easier said than done especially since it's such a defining point in your life but if you think about it, every single decision you make for yourself will change you. EVERY SINGLE THING that you let bother you, will change...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Thanks, you're right.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

dude im middle eastern and a christian. yea i get called a terrorist n all that crap too. i dont have problems with people just cuz of their different perspectives. christians dont hate gays, if a christian is claming that theres something wrong.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

We don't hate gays; or at least true Christians don't. It says a lot more in the bible about accepting people than being gay.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"Hate the sin, not the sinner."

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"Hate the murder, not the murderer".

by Anonymous 13 years ago

no...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"Hate the humbug, not the humbugger."

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Hate the troll, not the troller.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ummmm, ok. Cuz that makes sense....

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You stole what I was going to say.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

^ what they said. who told you we hated them? I'm Christian and don't approve of homosexuality. But I at least have 4 or 5 gay/lesbian friends. they don't like the fact that i'm Christian, but do they hate me? no. vis-versa.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

they might not hate you so much as feel contempt for what your religion has put them through pyschologically: telling them they are sinners, damning them to hell, ostricizing them for something they have no control over. Until more followers of Christianity, as well as other religions, take responsibility for the past and learn to accept homosexuals as part of the present and future, that contempt will remain.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(Chauncy Pickles): You don't make sense. It says in the Bible that homosexuality is a sin. I'll find the chapters and verses in just a second. Believing that it isn't a sin, is not Christian like. We can't just pick and choose which things to follow in the Bible. Although, it isn't right to make fun of gays, bully them, etc.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"We can't just pick and choose which things to follow in the Bible." EXACTLY. THIS is why I dislike organized religion. It makes it so easy to just let yourself believe things because it's convenient.. To chose your beliefs according to your religion rather than vice versa. Sure you might believe Jesus died on the cross for your sins.. but what connection AT ALL ties this to a disapproval of homosexuality? The bible is to be taken with a grain of salt... its been translated and re-translated, its been fudged by leaders. Not to mention that it depends on interpretation and should be read considering context- it contains a ton of symbolism. The bible is a guide and a tool. Not written law...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

True, it has been extremely perverted, but if you want to get back to true Christianity, you have to read the text for yourself and find a church that you believe is close as possible to the true meaning to be a Christian. Even calling Christianity a religion has fudged it. Christianity was never meant to be a religion, but a relationship. It really helps to have a good teacher too.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(Chauncy Pickles): umm excuse you, but i have never, ever told someone they are going to hell. and most Christians don't actually. maybe conservative Christians, but not the Christians i know. you are the one judging and hating on me, as well as other Christians and making assumptions. i don't pour down my beliefs on anyone, but we do sometimes have discussions about our differences. and yeah, we're still friends.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(Chauncy Pickles): Genesis 19 Revelation 21:8

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(Chauncy Pickles): I don't mean to say every follower of a mainstream religion like Christianity will interpret everything as if it were simply black and white. I am simply saying past acts by "Christian" organizations have done things to insinuate that homosexuals are never welcome. I put "Christian" in quotes before to show that in my belief it does not seem Christian to do or have done such things.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yet again, we don't hate gays. We believe it is a sin based on certain passages such as the story of Sodom and Gomorra, and a passage in Revelations (not quite sure of the verse, sorry), but we don't hate them. We also don't think that just because they are gay, that they are automatically bad people.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Leviticus has a verse too... 18:24 I believe? "Though shalt not lie down with a man as you lie down with a woman, for it is an abomination" Basically, GAY IS OKAY! Gay sex, on the other hand is a one way ticket to hell.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

1 Corinthians 6:9 (New International Version) 9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Okay, I'm not saying all Christians 'hate' or even disapprove of homosexuality. In fact, yes, i understand you can disapprove of something without hating it. I saw a homophobic post, went to the person's profile, and saw that they were all 'i love jesus' and stuff. That's a direct quote, by the way. And, I just got kind of upset.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

so? one person that is a homophobic loves Jesus, and you automatically assume that about everyone else? and how do you know he was a homophob? their are atheist who are homophobic also.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Again, I was targeting people who raise their kids like this: http://tinyurl.com/2dbsjfe

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That is messed up, and not even true. First, God hates no one. He loves his children. if he didin't, he would hate me, and every other Christian too because we all sin. Second, fag is offensive. And last, teaching children that is just corrupt. Though i am Christian, if i ever have kids, i will influence them only to a point. They have the freedom to believe whatever. wow, didin't expect that from a Christian. and btw i'm not just someone who goes to church like 3 times a year. i go like 4 times a week.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm very very very sorry if this post offended you as a Christian, I just think it is beyond hypocritical when people claim to be devoted Christians, and then go completely nutso when a man wants to marry another man, and then start rallies and make those terrible shirts. I'm not saying that *all* devoted Christians are like this [evidently, you are not like that].

by Anonymous 13 years ago

A devout Christian is not in any circumstance like that mother shown in the photo. You should be targeting the people on their holier than thou soap boxes rather than saying "Christians". Those people are blasphemous to say "God hates" anyone. Never, ever, in any recorded words has there been a time when God hates. EVER. He is disappointed and saddened by the actions. You could never hate your own flesh and blood. Those people will get what's coming to them as will everyone else. (good or bad). I think it's unfair to generalize everyone according to those monsters. I saw that you said you aren't targeting Christians in general like to those people but I think you should be a little more careful with your choice of words or just not say anything at all. I think out of a moment of anger you kind of just spurted out what was one your mind at the time but it would have been better to cool off a bit and collect your thoughts before you point fingers.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

for one to love one thing it must hate the things which hate or harm the thing it loves. God must hate in order to love, i.e. God hates sin? you are right in saying that God has never said that he hates people, however.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I don't think God is capable of hate. I "think" God disapproves of it. Surely he would be hurt or angered at the things that hurts the one he loves but since he has a broader view of the eternal plan he has an understanding of what needs to happen to obtain happiness, be it his children hurting in the process of.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

to say that God is incapable of anything cannot be correct though, can it? and i think that you see God as only the one who loves and died for all, and not the one who was tortured and slaughtered and will sit on the throne of judgement and expend his wrath upon the earth. because God can be an oxymoron all he wants, as it is inaccurate to say that God is incapable of anything

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I did not mean that in a literal sense. Yes, he can do anything. I think he chooses not to. If you can find somewhere that says he "hates" something. I will see different. I believe God and Jesus Christ are two separate beings Jesus Christ suffered and atoned for our sins. Even Lucifer he did not hate for all the pain he caused Him. He was a spirit before earth meaning he was never "human". Can God hate a spirit? Since there is spirit in everything?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The views of Westboro Baptist Church reflect only the views of WBC. they are a single church community which has really differentiated themselves from mainstream christianity in a disgusting way

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I didn't even click on that and i already know who you are talking about...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I also was not targeting Christians in general, I meant the crazy people who hold up signs like 'God hates fags'.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Christians should love all people, just like Jesus. I don't hate gays or even dislike the idea. God loves all his children. :)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Amen! the term 'Christian' is so negativity thought of nowadays. people forget that their are true Christians who want to love and fallow in the footsteps of Jesus!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

negatively* and there*... and follow*

by Anonymous 13 years ago

i agree

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(Chauncy Pickles): I* agree.* BAD GRAMMAR NAZI!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I agree. Kelsey* Grammar* Nazi*?*

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's just that following in the steps of Jesus is thought to be a negative thing to some people. I mean, I go to a Catholic school and all, but I absolutely can't stand religion class. I'm just sick of people shoving it down my throat. 'Jesus' this, and 'Jesus' that. Does nobody know how to think for themselves? Do you always have to do what Jesus told you you should do? Do you not do something just because God said it was wrong? Where would the world be today if everyone didn't do things just because of their religion? I've always thought the world was better off without religion, honestly.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

There's nothing wrong with trying to follow a good example. The point of the "what would Jesus do?" talk is that if you're going to try and emulate anyone, you should try and emulate Jesus because he was the only perfect one. Just sayin...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No there's nothing wrong with trying to do good like Jesus. I support doing good. It's just that when people take it to the extreme and live life FOR religion instead of BY religion, it gets annoying.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

your religion doesin't get you to heaven. i personally think religion is a bunch of rules. thats not what god wants from us. he wants a RELATIONSHIP, no religion :) and no one can do what Jesus did, he even said so himself. god doesin't want us to be perfect. why would we need Jesus if we were? just try to have one on one with him and the holy spirit and thats what gets you into heaven and a relationship.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I agree with soccerfan. In addition, no one should "shove" the lessons to be like Jesus down your throat. It IS a choice to follow in his footsteps. That's what this life is about, to choose. Choosing negatively will cause you to feel guilt, not because of religion but because of human nature. Ibn al-Haytham made an excellent point though about choice, "human beings are inherently flawed and only God is perfect. to discover the truth about nature, it is necessary to eliminate human opinion and error, and allow the universe to speak for itself." imagine a life such a this. The world would be virtually perfect, but our own human flaws prevent it from being this way. Everyone has a choice.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

We don't hare homosexuals we just think its a sin but we still love them no matter what and so does God. What's with everyone hating on Christians?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

i don't hate anyone, or dissaprove of how anyone chooses to live because it's none of my buisness. Plus the end of the day who am i to judge?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah... it's those certain people who tell others... mainly gays that they will go to hell in a heartbeat. Aren't they not supposed to hate, and not supposed to judge either?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I completely agree with this post and while the people who commnted may not feel hatred for LBGT's, a LOT of religious people (not just Christians) do. And I've seen the signs that say, "God hates fags" so they're definitely out there. It's pretty sad.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Go die in a hole man

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Is it just me, or is that so very unChristian of you to say?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

THIS FIRST 6 WORDS IN THIS POST ARE INCORRECT.. HATE IS NOT A SIN... IF YOU HATE PEOPLE YOUR SINNING, IF YOU HATE THE DEVIL, YOUR NOT SINNING... THESE ARGUMENTS ARE POINTLESS SEEING AS THIS POST IS SO INCORRECT... SRRY MY CAPS LOCK IS BROKEN, I'M NOT SHOUTING :) SORRY AGAIN

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"I'm pretty sure hate is a"? Or do you mean the sin part?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

there was a group of people who had hate signs in los angeles a while back, it was sad.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

One of my friends has an email signature that reads: Follower of Christ. One day, she told me about a gay couple she saw, and how she just "wanted to throw a shoe at them". Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is not what Jesus would want us to say. It's those people that the post is directed toward, and it is true.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(Viola girl): actually, you might notice that such an act might be performed by jesus, if youve studied the gospels. you are correct in that is not something that jesus would want us to do. therein lies the difference

by Anonymous 13 years ago

This has already been said, obviously, but the Bible instructs us to love everyone. That doesn't mean that we have to approve of everything they do. I am a Christian and the Bible tells me that homosexuality is a sin, but I have friends who are gay. I don't approve of their lifestyle but I still love them as people.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If so many of you christians really don't "hate" or have contempt for GLBT people, you should be speaking out against representatives of your point of view that say the ugly things about them... like, Ann Coulter and her ilk. If you don't want to be taken for "that kind" of christian, then you should differentiate yourselves from that ugly herd. You guys protesting that you only disapproval of being gay, not the person, know exactly what we're talking about when we speak of the hatred, but it's embarassing and awkward to admit so you deflect by saying *you're* different.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

We shouldn't have to apologize for those people because those aren't OUR views. It's like telling all Muslims that they need to verbally condemn terrorism and al Queda.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

There are Christians on this website who are telling you that we don't believe in hating Christians. It is not in our control that most famous people who claim to be Christians have a hatred for homosexuals. Stop grouping us with them; we are making our voices heard whenever we can, such as here.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

we actually shouldnt have to differentiate ourselves from them, as they are the ones differentiating themselves from us. its a failure to recognize the differing views which causes people to group steadfast and straying christians together

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The Bible also says that parents should hit their children whenever they misbehave. Do people do that now? No, that would be mean. Anyone who regularly hits their children is looked down upon by nearly everyone, and rightfully so. But for some reason, people don't seem to have any problem with discriminating against gays because they're going against what the Bible says. I'm not gay, but I can tell you that if I was I honestly wouldn't care if Christians "approved" of homesexuality or not. What do gay people need approval for? And by the way, I'm not anti-Christian, and I am by no means saying that all Christians are closed-minded homophobes. It's just that the ones that are really piss me off.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Actually the emphasis is more on punishment in general than it is on hitting the children.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

My point was, not everything in the Bible is still practiced in real life. There are many things in the Bible that are overlooked and ignored by practicing Christians because if they followed those rules it would affect their personal lives.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

examples?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(???): Eating shellfish. Men cutting their hair. And, as the OP said, hate.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

there is a passage in which God declares to an apostle that all animals are now clean to consume, and not just the ones which he had previously declared clean to test the jews' commitment

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Most of those rules (from the Old Testament, might I add) are elements of and relative to ancient culture; that is why they are no longer valid in the modern world. However, things that were sins 2,000 years ago are still sins today.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

beautifully said! thank you. sins don't change. traditions do.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

yep

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Okaaaaay, dude. I'm a Christian, and as MANY have said before, we don't approve of it. But we don't hate ANYONE. I have gay/bi/lesbian friends. We both don't really agree with what each other believes, but we're still friends. Christians are taught to love everyone, and that's what I do. It's really pissing me off, everyone saying "Christians hate gays!" The devout ones don't hate homosexuals, so please, stop generalizations. We're nice people.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

God has rules that he expects us to follow. Excuse us christians for supporting that, and dissaproving -- i repeat, dissapproving, not hating-- the gay lifestyle. now that doesn't mean unneccessary cruel remarks, but it means helping shed light on the situation and our views.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Here's what I want: Show me exactly WHY being gay is so wrong. And don't say 'because God said so'. No, I no longer count that as a valid reason. When you show me that God really does exist and that you have proof that there's a heaven and hell, then it'll count.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well, belief without proof is what faith is. No faith, no relationship with jesus, no salvation. simple as that. i don't have to prove anything to you. in the same way, you don't have to believe anything you don't want to. that's the beauty of choice. as for proof of heaven/hell, there are many many accounts of people who are healed and they have remarkable stories. i knew a girl who nearly died when she was one, and three years later she told her mom,"i've seen jesus, and he said i could join him, but you said you needed me so i came back to you."

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Technically, you can't prove anything and some believe you are never trully able to know anything. In that sense, all thought is blind faith.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

faith isn't completely blind though. there's historical proof and accounts of god's work in people and through people. and i choose to side with god and his instructions for mankind. that's all.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You're missing my point. The idea is, that we can never know anything for sure. That what we think we know, may just be a lie. That nothing can proven. Even this right now, could be a dream. The idea is, that if nothing can be proven, then even believing the carpet is blue, could be called blind faith.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

cogito ergo sum?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

ive had many a discussion with my religion teacher about why we should believe in God BECAUSE we don't know if he exists or not. but im a see it to believe it kind of person and to me, it just seems strange to me that there are so many people that claim they do what this God says, even if they really have no reason to. an incentive sure, it gets you to heaven. but i think its wrong to do what God says just because youre afraid of going to hell.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

not out of fear. its out of love and gratitude. jesus died for me. that's reason enough. he gave his life for me, i'll devote my life to him, his word, and dicipleship in Christ. :) sorry if you don't agree

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(???): No no no i understand people that follow God out of love and whatnot. thats cool with me. its the people that follow Him out of fear of going to hell that get me. I mean don't get me wrong, i believe in God and heaven and hell and stuff. its just the 'sinning' and the mass that i dont really care for.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

HAHAHAHAHA lets all believe, just in casies!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Athiests just LOVE calling Christians hypocrites. All they do is try to search for mistakes in Christianity.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Not all Athiests do. Please don't group them all together.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I won't when I meet one that doesn't.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I guess I haven't met one that doesn't either. But I bet there's someone like that out there. And they don't deserve to be stereotyped.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Like I said, when I meet that person I won't. But the vast majority of athiests do.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Hm. Alright. That makes sense. I just hate it when people stereotype all Christians, so I figured Atheists wouldn't like it either.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's not a sin. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yes, they are both sins, but a christian that is truly devout would know this, and not say "God hates gays". those people make me so mad, using the Lord's name in vain like that. Using the name of God, for their own desires. It's blasphemy. I can't stand it when they do this. Don't they KNOW? Don't they KNOW, this is only making people hate God? Don't they KNOW, this is making people associate Christianity and Christ with anger a prejuidice?! It is, technically, a sin, to have sex with someone of the same gender, but the Lord said: Let he among us, without sin, be the first to condemn. The number one rule of Christianity is love God, the second rule is love thy neighbor. We're supposed to care about everyone and many of us do. I only disagree because the op made it sound like homosexuality wasn't a sin. It technically is a sin, but we all sin in some way. I love people, no matter who they are, or what they do. I don't hate anyone.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

^^^

by Anonymous 13 years ago

cast the first stone is meant to be much more violent than 'be the first to condemn'. cast the first stone means to be literally the first to instigate murder by mob. it feels like you softened it a bit

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That was the point; the verse fangirl is referring to was spoken by Jesus to the Pharisees when they brought an adulteress to Him and asked if she should be stoned to death for her sins. Jesus responded that any of them who were without sin should cast the first stone (yes, instigate murder by mob/stoning). But, the message behind it was that we are not to condemn others for their sin while we still live in our own.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Exactly.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone." That's how it goes. He is saying if you have no sin yourself then do not chastise and belittle someone else for sinning. There is nothing insinuating that a mob of people is allowed to tear someone apart. If he is sinless, he would never cast the stone or even think of casting the stone to begin with. That's what that means.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

okay, i get everyone else's points, but yours misses the mark very much so and what im saying is that it feels like the point was softened too much, as it should be taken in both a literal and metaphorical context the mob dissipates slowly and the people return to their daily lives. and the adulteress is left standing in awe of jesus who just saved her life and is still writing in the dirt. he turns to her and asks whether everyone has gone, and she replies with a yes. and i cant paraphrase without the actual verse.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

K, I understand you weren't saying a mob would attack I misunderstood that. The rest stands true, still. Jesus Christ would never condemn the sinner even though he is perfect because doing so would make him imperfect.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

of course. i never disagreed with that, but now that you mention it, that seems a bit thin as well. God has the power to condemn who he wishes, so why not the adulteress? anything which God does can be considered within bounds of being perfect because hes makes the rules, and does not necessarily need to follow them. It feels more like it would be a demonstration of God's mercy which is presented in the gospels than a proof of Christ's perfection, doesnt it?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Why would he not follow his own rules? That would make him a hypocrite. Jesus follows God's rule. He does not make his own, just as we should follow God's rule. No one is exempt. God will be the judge in the end. Jesus did not condemn the adulteress because doing so would cause that he sinned making him a hypocrite. I think you're just going in circles with this. I can't repeat myself for I feel I am beating a dead horse. Goodnight.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

not simply jesus, but God. God has no reason to follow his own rules because he established them. God would not be a hypocrite because the rules he established apply to humanity, and not to himself. however, jesus was man and God, therefore... whatever. sorry for thinking at you, and good night

by Anonymous 13 years ago

@500470 (Qorbyn): God/Jesus is sinless. The laws He laid down apply to Himself just as much as the rest of the world, though he had never and will never break any of His own commandments. John 3:16-17: "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him will have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him." However, there is a difference between condemning and disciplining/correcting. There are certain situations in which the sinner needs love in order to come to Christ, and certain times when he/she needs admonishment and correction, which is most often when the person is blatantly spitting in God's face with his/her sin. In the case of the adulteress, she needed to know that God loved her regardless of her past sins. Just thought I'd throw my two cents in.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

of course God would never break any of his commandments, as he established them as guidelines for humanity to follow to become more like himself. the commandments are an extension of his own personality, so it wouldnt make sense to for him to break his commandments. im simply saying that, as the commandments stem from his personality the laws were never meant to apply to him.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well, obviously God didn't lay down the law for Himself to follow, if that's what you're getting at. He has never sinned, and He gave us the guidelines of what exactly we are not to do, so to say.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

and that. that was entirely my point... well, minus the 'what we are not to do', at least.i always thought that the law was what not to do, and the guidelines [say, the whole bible] were a mixture of both what to and not to do. but if that's also your point, then define 'apply' for me, will you?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Apply: -verb (used with object) 1. to make use of as relevant, suitable, or pertinent: to apply a theory to a problem

by Anonymous 13 years ago

your words, not what the high and mighty grammar gods decide. pardon the inside joke usage 'The laws He laid down apply to Himself just as much as the rest of the world' is what im trying to unravel

by Anonymous 13 years ago

'Apply' here means that the laws He laid down Himself are laws that, in all technicality, He is required to follow, because He cannot sin, because He is a pure being. Although, it's not as if the concept of God sinning is even relevant to this conversation. God is pure and sinless, as was Jesus, and the only discussion there needs to be is which and if His laws apply to human beings (those fallen).

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Technically, it's wrath. So, they are imposing WRATH by hating on gays.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Christians aren't supposed to hate Anyone. regardless of their sexual preferences. Unfortunately, sometimes someone will get carried away but it is wrong and if a person really is christian, they should ask for forgiveness and make amends. Personally, i have a best friend who just came out to us (us being our small group of friends) and an aunt who has been lesbian for years, but i still love them both no matter what.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yes, homosexuality is a sin. Yes, it is also a sin when Christians hate a person because of it. Love the sinner, hate the sin. Believing homosexuality is a sin is NOT the same thing as hating gays. End of story.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

um how exactly is homosexuality a sin?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10: "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yes, these scriptures are in the bible, (although none are told by Jesus or even mentioned in the four gospels) yet so are those condemning "abominations" such as eating pork, wearing garments of two different fabrics and cross-breeding cattle. People continue to misuse these scriptures regarding homosexuality the same way as they did to keep blacks and women in their place. But nowhere does the Bible address the now established view that homosexuality is not something chosen or that it can be a creative, meaningful act of love and fidelity.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

a sin is a deed of wrong declared as such by God. and those scriptures are spoken by prophets, who were the voice of God to the israelites

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The "abominations" you mentioned are cultural standards that no longer exist in the modern world. I'm not misusing those verses; the Scripture is clear. 2 Timothy 3:16: "All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness."

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That is how.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

As was said a thousand times before, but I feel the need to repeat, Christians do not hate homosexuals. They do not support it, but hating it is completely different. Before you go trying to be clever and making a religious person sound like a horrible person, study a bit and know what you are talking about. Don't trust everything you hear from others.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Correction: People who truly understand the message and purpose of Christ do not hate homosexuals. The term "Christian" is used far too broadly nowadays; There ARE many people who call themselves Christians, then turn around and cut down/scorn/otherwise look down on homosexuals and other people. Those people do not understand that Christianity is based on love; they aren't truly what they say they are. If that's what you were aiming to say, I apologize; I just wanted to clarify.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well the post says "devout Christians," so I did not feel the need to clarify that.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Who said they hate gays? It's stupid people like you that have no idea what they are talking about is what pisses me off the most.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Christians don't hate gays. They love the person, not the sin.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Hate the sin, not the person. (Not that i'm a christian though, i've just read the bible)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

...Seriously,dude? You're gonna try to bring that up?Not all "devout Christians" are all hating on the gay people.Some of the most devout Christians I know have gay friends.

by Anonymous 13 years ago