+469 Who knows, maybe Christians will go to heaven or hell when they die, and maybe athiests won't. Maybe Buddhists and Hindus will be reincarnated and nobody else will. Maybe what you believe here on Earth will determine what happens after death and nobody is 100% right. amirite?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I always knew what i believed here on "Earch" would determine what...wait...you fail.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

fixed. thanks mods.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That's an interesting way of viewing it!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Maybe, just maybe. That is deep

by Anonymous 13 years ago

create your own reality.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Thought of this so many times!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Same.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

yeah i've wondered this exact same thiing before and was gonna get around to posting it someday, looks like i don't have to now.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

wow i guess atheists really get the bad end of the deal with this theory...that is, unless you're a hypocritical Christian and go to hell, but then again pretty much every Christian today do not live my their own laws...conflicted -___-

by Anonymous 13 years ago

if you're going to hell than your not a Christian

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Love your post but there is one error. For Buddhists and Hindus, being reincarnated is a punishment for not being good enough to attain nirvana/moksha/freedom from the material world.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

not a punishment, it's expected. It is very hard to find a full understanding of the world (nirvahna) so most people therefore need to be reincarnated to reach it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

which by default means that you were not good enough to be freed. Well, that is my interpretation of the Hindu and Jainist scriptures that state the ultimate goal of all beings is moksha. I don't really know the details about the Buddhist nirvana though.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

yes but not being punished, what if you dedicated your whole life to trying to reach nirvana but couldn't quite get there? You certainly wouldn't be punished, your freedom would just be...postponed! yes thats the word I'm looking for!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well yes. I just have a pessimistic view point so I see this delay as a punishment.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That is kind of like withholding candy from a child who couldn't finish his/her homework in time.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Hindus and Buddhists MUST reincarnate at least once before reaching Moksha or Nirvana.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Not if they can become a self realized being in their previous life. And self realization does not merely mean being aware of your previous lives.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Hundu's follow the chaste system, you can either reincarnate higher or lower. Buddhists are like, its really hard to reach enlightenment and you get as many chances as it takes to get there. I believe in reincarnation but not exclusively in those ways.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

My point was just that one does not need to reincarnate to be freed. One does not need to be a Kshatriya to be able to unite with the Brahman. A Brahmin can do it do. So can a Vaishya. Ans so can all the other lower beings in the Hindu caste system. It is possible to skip steps in the process. For instance, if a Kshatriya king becomes ignorant enough and accumulates enough bad karma, he can directly become a dear, skipping all the other human forms. Similarly, if a dear becomes actualized enough, it can directly unite with the Brahman. Sorry about the huge-ass paragraph.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

idk if you're right if nobody is 100% right :P

by Anonymous 13 years ago

My friend presented this idea to me a while ago. Freaks me right out.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I like to think this is true. Then no one is super disappointed.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Except the Christians that go to Hell. I'm sure they would be pretty bummed.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

not possible. i think you mean the Christians who say they are ones but have not actually confessed with their mouth that Jesus is God and believed in their hearts that he was raised from the dead to forgive their sin, the requirements for becoming a Christian. If you've done that you're automatically going to heaven.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

So, what would you say happens to somebody who doesn't necessarily believe in God?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

but no one knows what is true and we probably will be super disappointed with what actually happens

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I love this idea & all paths to god.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

this is a pretty idea but so unrealistic. All paths don't lead to God.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Agreed. There are certain religious aspects that are just too different for them both to be right.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I beleive that I will be reincarnated as a billionare fire breathing dragon that makes 14 versions of heaven on earth where I am king. Sweet

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I lobe this<3

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I think I saw something like this in a Terry Pratchett book.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It isn't an origional thought that's for sure. I guess it's *possible* but there is an ifinite ammount of things that *could* happen after you die.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm so glad that there's no religious debate/argument so far

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Tl;dr. Haha just kidding. It's about to start, though.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

lol this guy...btw what does tl;dr stand for? too late?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"too long, didnt read"

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Too long, didn't read. I was joking though.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

@735895 (scrantoncity): lol k thx

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I always say that. I believe that whatever you believe happens after you die happens.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

really? think about the flaw in that logic...

by Anonymous 12 years ago

what if I believe that I'll go to heaven and people who are allergic to chocolate won't... But someone who's allergic to chocolate believes they'll go to heaven and everyone else who isn't allergic to chocolate won't? One person's "truth" would cancel out the other person's... So there's only really one way.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

yes, you're right. its just an interesting idea to think about i don't think they were actually serious about it. you'd have to be pretty darned stupid for that.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

that is the only truth I have read so far

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I'm not really getting this post. Is this post saying that if you believe in Heaven, there is Heaven?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

technically. they are presenting the idea that whatever you believe in will happen to you. obviously not possible, but interesting.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Hmm, now, as a Christian, I know better than this. Our Creator made us specifically to worship him. After life on earth we either go to heaven or hell. Simple.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"know" better? well countless other faiths "know" they're right too. which is kind of what this post is driving at.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh really? Do they have explicit knowledge from the True God, accurate in all accounts, undeniably the truth? They do? Woah, I thought that was just the Bible.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I know I'm right and you know you're right and Muslims know they're right and Hindus know they're right and so on and so forth. You can't be all "what my bible says is undeniably the truth" because I think /my/ bible is undeniably the truth and Muslims think /their/ bible is undeniably the truth and so on and so forth.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh, really? You're right. Well, do you follow the Torah? Well, why don't you sacrifice animals? Decide that you're smarter than your God? Jews today are really embarrassing. They claim to be God's chosen people, yet they don't even follow what they believe to be His word. Now, you're flat out ignorant if you don't think Jesus was the Messiah. However, as a Jew, you should believe that others are wrong. Or have you denounced your faith entirely?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

so if people who don't live up to every letter of their respective religious texts aren't true believers, I should ask you the following: -How many slaves do you own? -How many women do you force into submission -How many girls who have premarital sexhave you killed? etc... religion is a dynamic thing.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Wow. Way to misinterpret. All I'm saying is that everybody thinks different things and what they think they may think is fact. For example, I think the Old Testament still stands, and I'm so sure of this thought I take it as fact - I "know" it. However, you think the Old Testament is more or less irrelevant and the New Testament is what's up, and you're so sure of this thought you take it as fact - you "know" it. And Muslims, they think that Mohammed went up to Heaven with his donkey, and they're so sure of this thought they take it as fact - they "know" it. Do you see what I'm saying? ...I don't sacrifice animals, a) because we don't have a Temple right now, and b) even if we did, I wouldn't be the one in the family to sacrifice animals. Not to mention not everyone raised animals during the times of the Temples, and as such, could not sacrifice their animals because they didn't exist. "Decide you're smarter than God?" ...What? [cont.]

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"They claim to be God's chosen people, yet they don't even follow what they believe to be His word." Well one, I hope you're not talking about the irreligious because for the most part they don't care, so no, they wouldn't follow. And for those who are proud to claim such, we try the best we can but we don't claim to be superhuman, and if you come across any Jews who do claim to be something like that then they learned the whole thing about being the Chosen People very badly. "However, as a Jew, you should believe that others are wrong. Or have you denounced your faith entirely?" ...Completely wrong? No. For example, you guys have "thou shalt not commit adultery" and to say YOU'RE completely wrong is to say that "thou shalt not commit adultery" is wrong, except I have that too so I'd be saying we're wrong in that respect also. Which isn't what I believe.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Denounce your faith, as in sin, and not even try to atone for it. Do you or do you not follow all the laws in Leviticus? Not? Well, do you atone for your sins by sacrificing to God? No? Uh... Well have you ignored the Messiah God sent? Yeah? You've denounced your faith. Just so you know, if either the Jewish or Christian faith is correct, every other religion is wrong.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Um, I sin because I'm human.I don't atone for my sins by sacrificing to God because one can't do that these days which I explained. The Messiah God sent? Jesus being the Messiah is only a Christian thing. And yeah, it is for the main part of their beliefs (for example, if any monotheistic religion turns out to be right, there goes all the gods of Buddhism and Hinduism), but not for the things that are the same with the correct religion.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well obviously those things are correct, however the religion itself is incorrect. Weren't the Jews waiting for a Messiah? Well, you closed your eyes to Jesus. Btw, what do you believe about him? He's either a liar or the messiah, he can't just be a prophet, or at least one from God. So... You're planning on getting into heaven how? If you read your Torah, you'd know that God cannot coexist with sin. And, since you're human, you sin... Now what? You expect to be accepted without atonement? That won't work, which you'd know, if you read your Torah.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

...Okay. We're still waiting for him, but we kinda have a different idea of what the Messiah brings, we have prophecies about what will happen before the Messiah comes, and also, if we believe Jesus was the Messiah it should follow that we believe he's G-d's son, and since that's not happening... -shrug- I actually don't know much about him by way of what Judaism holds, but I heard that what happened is he was a really learned Jew (like REALLY learned), wanted to marry a non-Jew, got pissed when he wasn't allowed, and said he would do something bad in retaliation. I don't know what he did though, except for the thing where he carved G-d's name on his leg which enabled him to walk on water. Cannot coexist with sin? G-d enabled us to sin. And no, I don't expect to go straight to heaven without atoning for all my sins here, so if I don't when I die, I'll go to hell for a while. Which will, you know, suck. A lot.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What do you mean "if I don't atone for all my sins here..."? Obviously you aren't, unless you think that just believing in God means you're good. Also, why are you typing "G-d?" Well, did you know... I forgot the statistic... But the probability that Jesus would fulfill all those requirements, those prophetic Is incredibly huge. Found it. Go here, please, just read it. http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aiia/jesus-odds.html And I don't know where you got your "facts" about Jesus, but you better double check them. Doesn't your Torah say something about being deceitful?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I mean exactly what I said - if I don't atone for all my sins here, I'll get punished for them in hell. It might be that being punished for them here means you don't have to atone but I kinda doubt it... But at least you don't get punished in hell. So every prophecy includes that the Messiah is born in the generation being saved. Like if the Messiah were to come now, he'd have been born in this generation. Um, yes. So if you don't think so, then one of you is mistaken.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Dude honestly I could make neither heads nor tails of that post. Will you uh rephrase it so I could understand?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I mean if I don't make up for my sins here, I'll burn for them in hell. It is known that there is a (POTENTIAL) Messiah born in every generation. If G-d doesn't decide it's time to bring him out of hiding, then nothing happens. The Messiah is born in every generation to save that generation, which means that if Jesus had been the Messiah for his generation, well, there goes that. And yes, you're not allowed to be deceitful according to the Torah, which means that if you don't think what I said about Jesus, then either you or the person who told me what the Torah says about Jesus is mistaken.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well you aren't making up for your Sins, as you've told me, so... You really think God would do that? Four thousand years since His promise, no turnout, and every Jew going to hell, condemning the ENTIRE human race to hell? That is NOT the benevolent God in either the Bible or the Torah. I cannot believe you're actually that deluded, thinking the most Just Being would abandon everyone. That second paragraph holds no relevance to the Torah, and is solid speculation, but feel free to think that. Well, someone is mistaken, be it you or me, but I would like to see some sources before you spew stuff like that as facts.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Hold up. I said IF I don't atone for my sins, not BECAUSE I'M NOT. That's one. Two, there's no turnout because we're not in quite as much deep shit that we can't not have Divine saving. And everyone goes to hell for a while until they've been there long enough to make up for their sins, and then they get to go to heaven. Unless you're so freaking evil you don't even deserve hell, in which case your soul just hangs around, going nowhere. And when the hell did I say He abandoned everyone? If He abandoned everyone I wouldn't be here to argue with you. It's not solid speculation... It's in prophecies. -shrug- My source is a rabbi. I don't have sources to show you, I'm just saying, that's what I heard. Either way, I'm not going to believe in Jesus.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I heard a really good theory, that when you die-you face your true self. If your true self is really bad/ugly then its like your own hell. If your true self is good/beautiful then its like your own heaven.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I dunno if I'd enjoy an eternity of staring at myself, but in theory....

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What about us agnostics? Do we get to pick what happens?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If this kind of thing is true, I'd assume that your after-death fate would be the one that deep down, you think is the most feasible.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well I'm not religious but I believe in reincarnation :)

by Anonymous 13 years ago