I love how one person is like "No way! Obama is totally responsible for the things that happened when Bush was president!"

by Anonymous 11 years ago

What about every years since? Bush out: Debt = $10 tril (over 8 years). Obama after first term: Debt = $16 tril (over 4 years) with INCREASING deficits every year. He has been worse than bush

by Anonymous 11 years ago

When Obama went into office, some of the first cnn news was his plan to get out of debt... which involved [it was either doubling or tripling, I don't remember now...] the current debt. He had said the only way out of the debt we had was to increase it over the next 12 years (this was early 2009... I'm sure it can be looked up for verification)

by Anonymous 11 years ago

He did say that...which makes him an idiot. If you look at the history of American debt, the only way to get out of it is spending cuts. Even higher/lower taxes don't have that much of an effect. The ONLY way we have ever decreased the debt is by cutting spending. We cannot spend our way out of debt

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Does it make sense to get a loan to pay off a loan? nope.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Well, if he did say that it makes sense. He was probably referring to what is called "priming the pump." You spend more towards things that will get you out of debt later. It's an actual economic procedure. Sometimes problems have to get worse before they can get better. Stimulus.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/rickungar/files/2012/10/MW-AR658_spendi_20120521163312_ME11.jpg "It might have something to do with the first year of the Obama presidency where the federal budget increased a whopping 17.9% —going from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. I’ll bet you think that this is the result of the Obama sponsored stimulus plan that is so frequently vilified by the conservatives…but you would be wrong. The first year of any incoming president term is saddled—for better or for worse—with the budget set by the president whom immediately precedes the new occupant of the White House. Indeed, not only was the 2009 budget the property of George W. Bush—and passed by the 2008 Congress—it was in effect four months before Barack Obama took the oath of office." TL;DR: Every presidency starts off with a stimulus package set by the previous president, and the stimulus package put in place by Bush 4 months before Obama's term is the reason so much money was spent during Obama's term.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

You don't seem to understand. Obama hasn't been president for four months in 2009. He has been president for four years. You can't logically think that Bush is responsible for his spending. Also Obama signed innumerable stimulus packages. One signed by bush wouldn't hardly affect this overall record

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Obama hasn't been president for 4 months, really? You cannot logically think that Obama is a big spender when 20% (strange you assume it would hardly effect anything without doing any research) of the debt increase during his presidency is because of Bush. This is like calling your current teacher a slob because the teacher who had the class room last year left 4 months of cleaning to do. Don't try to apply logic to politics, it doesn't work. Do research instead.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

You still don't seem to get it. THE DEBT HAS INCREASED. SPENDING HAS INCREASED. THE ANNUAL DEFICIT HAS INCREASED EVERY YEAR HE HAS BEEN IN OFFICE. Bush's last bill did not cause this. I would call my teacher a slob if the teacher before flipped over all the desks and the new teacher left the desks flipped and then flipped all the chairs. If there had been any decrease in spending then I would shut up but it has gone up. It's simple math

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Colebowl: Backs her shit up with numbers and a chart showing how much Obama has spent You: yes but, logic! That's in politics right? And you're trying to say they don't understand, when you have provided nothing that backs up anything you've said?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

If you want my information see original comment

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Um... you just said how much the debt is? LOL what is that supposed to prove? Did you even read these comments are are you scared you'll be infected with their ideas? Cuz you keep repeating yourself with things that have already been knocked down.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

That proves that the spending spree was not caused by The first four months in Obama's term. If bush caused the increased spending in Obama's term, spending would have decreased after those four months but instead it kept increasing. I haven't left any arguments unanswered here. Either I'm not being clear enough about what I'm saying or I'm arguing with complete idiots. If you don't understand please tell me.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Overall debt during the 2008 year doesn't prove when it was spent you idiot, look at any chart, they ALL prove (at least the ones without a biased) Obama's debt is caused by Bush with all their POLICIES, not by whose presidency they took effect in . In fact, one has already been PROVIDED FOR YOU don't ask for evidence that proves you wrong when it's already been provided Again, what you're doing is blaming your current teacher for the previous teacher leaving the classroom a mess. READ THE FUCKING RESEARCH DON'T JUST LOOK AT WHO CAN PROVE YOUR OPINION RIGHT. If you do that again, your next comment will not be replied to and you can just deal with being ignorant until you go look it up yourself.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

If really all it is is Bush's policies then Obama gets the blame for not getting rid of them. But that still doesn't answer why there was been increased spending (in other words, we've borrowed more each year successively) during Obama's term. You call me ignorant when you don't answer a thing I say. You just repeat "It was Bush!" If you're so sure of yourself, then tell me why spending increased not only during those four months, but why it kept going up. Tell me why Obama didn't make cuts after that bill. And if all the economic problems during Obama's term were caused by bush, does that mean all the problems during Bush's term were caused by Clinton? Your entire argument defies logic. Bush signing spending bills does not have anything to do with Obama. Especially when he has signed so many more than Bush has. Obama has been president for four years. You give an example of Bush's spending causing four MONTHS of increased spending for Obama. If you can logically tell me why that bill would have carried throughout Obama's term, then my next comment will be a concession.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I almost quit reading half way through the first paragraph because since everything you say is bullshit republican propaganda lies and you really believe it, there's no point discussing anything with you. If the fact Bush's package didn't cause 20% of the current debt isn't proof Bush caused a big part of Obama's debt, you're just going to ignore anything that proves you wrong, I know because you've already showed me you refuse to listen to facts despite them being thrown under your nose. How about you re read the comments, all of your questions will be answered.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

You've provided one example. I dot consider that proof of anything Who's the real ignorant one here? You say I ignore facts but you never respond to ANYTHING I say. It's easy to believe whatever you want if you just call the other viewpoint lies and tell me I wouldn't listen to facts even if you provide them. I've reread the comments several times and every single one from you and colebowl just repeat that it's all Bush's fault but never respond to what I see. I really don't see why people like you exist. You display absolutely no sound reasoning and then insult those who think otherwise

by Anonymous 11 years ago

The first year of any incoming president term is saddled—for better or for worse—with the budget set by the president whom immediately precedes the new occupant of the White House. A quote from Colebowl that proves all of my points. Focus on the "first year" part. But wait!! What accounts for the other three years?! It can't be Obama...those are republican lies!

by Anonymous 11 years ago

You do know that the debt didn't go up more than Bush's debt did during the last 3 years and went down more than the last Republican president's debt, proving your last comment the exact opposite of what actually happened? Might be good to learn about fiscal years too, then you could understand the post. And I bet as you're reading this comment, you're planning a rebuttal instead of doing what I told you to do 3 times and looking up your research from scholarly articles.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Clinton leaves White House in 0 debt. Bush leaves it in $10 tril over 8 years in office. Obama leaves it in $16 tril over 4 years. From here it's math. You also argue as if I support what Bush did and that I'm trying to clear his name. I hate Bush. That doesn't mean that I blame him for Obama's failed policies. I understand fiscal years. Obama planned the last three of his which have been worse than the ones before. Like I said...you never answer this

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Do research I don't have much more to add than anon. It's impossible to talk to you when you have preconceived republican lies you think are truth engraved in your brain. You don't get to call people ignorant when you claim a bunch of shit that never happened, actually happened while IGNORING ALL EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY WITH NOTHING TO BACK IT UP . You realize everything you claim has been debunked or actually caused by republicans in the house...? Like Obama spending more money when the VERY FIRST COMMENT I SENT YOU PROVES THAT WRONG. READ. Do research. Cuz right now, everything you say is a load of crap and you're making yourself look ignorant. When you try to claim Obama has made the debt rise steady when it had gone down, I' sorry, but you're a Romney pushing logic defying retard. Conversation over if you're going to ignore actual political history and sit here and try to back up everything with an opinion. Acting like it's Obama's fault is like calling your current teacher a slob because the one who had the class before left a mess. Look at FACTS, like the chart I sent you in the VERY FIRST COMMENT SHOWING OBAMA HAS SPENT LESS THAN ANY OTHER PRES. in how many ye...

by Anonymous 11 years ago

If you can answer a few simple questions ill concede all of this. 1) if Bush's policies caused all this, then why shouldn't we blame Obama for not discontinuing them? 2) you have an example of ONE BILL that bush passed that affected Obama's first four months. What accounts for the other 42? 3) If these are all Bush policies, then why has the total amount of deficit spending increased each year and not decreased. 4) If problems in a president's term are caused by the preceding president, does that mean Bush's economic problems were Clinton's fault? 5) How has debt gone down if we are currently at $6 trillion more than when Bush left? And does that one bill account for that? 6) By your own words, the FIRST year is affected by preceding policies. What about the other three years? Just calling me a republican liar isn't answering the arguments. If you can't even answer them other than calling them lies WITHOUT PROVIDING EVIDENCE (since you seem so fond of that reasoning) then we see who the truly ignorant ones are. I haven't left anything unanswered here while I find myself having to literally beg you in every comment to answer specific arguments

by Anonymous 11 years ago

You can't answer something that makes no sense and didn't happen. It's like if you asked me why is the sky green. I can't tell you why the sky is green, I can only tell you that it's not.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

So you're saying the debt isn't past $16 tril and the deficit hasn't increased? Because if that is your entire argument, you just lost. It's simple and true and unarguable. It's a statistical fact.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Everyone's over here arguing about presidents and I'm just sitting here eating potato chips.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

though there are many ignorant. people, I am sure most people who dislike Obama have more reasoning than that. And while saying that Bush caused no problems is a generalization, saying that the only reason Obama hasn't 'fixed' the country is also a generalization.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I'm not even talking about this being a reason people dislike obama or about people saying bush caused no problems or why obama hasn'tfixed anything. All the post is about is this one paticular instance where obama got blamed for bush's spending because it happened during obamas term.

by Anonymous 11 years ago