+93 If your success is founded on causing others misfortune, then it is not success, amirite?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I don't think it's fair to define success as your personal view. Maybe to them misfortune of others //is// success? Just because you're personally a peaceful person and don't like this or consider this successful, doesn't mean you can single-handedly define the universal meaning of "success". To each their own.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

It would be success from a personal standpoint, but not from mankind's. I'm saying that from the latter's perspective (which makes more sense to adopt for the scenario for several reasons), would not be success, nor would it be success from the standpoint of generally accepted morals

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Then the post should say "then it's not success for mankind". Because it's still success objectively.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I would not be a matter of "success for mankind", it wouldn't be a personal success from the viewpoint of mankind. Based on common morals adopted by mankind, it would not be a personal success

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Well that's just not fair. If I don't share morals with most of the world, my successes are no longer successes? That's just wrong. It may not be success for you, but for me it is.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I'm saying //you// still see it as a success, but the //world// doesn't, and if you had to do another wrong to achieve it, then you shouldn't see it as a success

by Anonymous 11 years ago

It's still a success though. Not for mankind, but it still is. You can't just refuse to call it something because you don't agree and don't have the same perspective.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

As far as the world is concerned, it is not a success. While you see it your way, the world sees it its own way. Each side encourages the other to see it its way, but in the end, you can not force one to change its perspective on it.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Still not fair. To you it's not a success but to me it is, and you can't just say it's not a success as a post without saying for whose side you're speaking for. I can't just say "mice aren't food", because I and most humans think they're disgusting. They're still food to some animals and some cultures.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

It's implied in life that everything you say is from your own perspective until shown otherwise. What this post is really saying is this: If what someone calls their success was founded on causing others misfortune, then it's not success to you, amirite?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

That's a better way to phrase it. And hey I recognize you! You're that guy that Len loves hehe

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I can see how it can be interpret differently. I'll make sure to be more careful about stuff like that. I guess my mind makes connections that it assumes other people have made as well. And yeah, Len was the first love I ever got on a post. He was actually really nice since day 1 of me being here. Him and Fuzala are both awesome to me about my posts, and they have really good stuff on here too

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Well I just don't like when people state their opinions in such a way that makes them seem arrogant and certain that this is a fact and a universal truth instead of a simple opinion. This is one of those posts. And I've never heard of the second person but Len is really nice. He's probably the sweetest person I've met on here

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Yeah. It's good to remember though that since I'm trying to see if people agree with me, //some// part of me clearly sees why people would disagree or have not thought about it like that before, right?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

You phrased that in a confusing way, but sure, you're probably right wary

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Haha i kinda saw that that made no sense, hence the //actual// thing i'd meant to convey below

by Anonymous 11 years ago

What I meant to say by that is that I'm still giving everyone room to disagree, not just expecting people to agree, which is why it's a post on here

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Oh okay haha, good. Lots of people on here consider me a jerk for disagreeing and expressing my opinion. Nice to meet someone who isn't as annoying as them

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I'm actually a little confused regarding your stance on the post (I don't want to seem pushy about your vote on it, I'm just a little curious). Are you still disagreeing because of the ambiguity? And there's nothing mean about disagreeing. It's better to disagree for honest reasons than to agree for false ones

by Anonymous 11 years ago

To me it's still success. If a Chinese person comes up to me (yay, stereotypes) and says he thinks dogs are food, I won't disagree. Just because something isn't a universal truth doesn't mean his opinion isn't valid. Torture of children could be success to some people. I disagree that a view has to pass the standards of universal morals and success of mankind to be called success.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Okay, I understand

by Anonymous 11 years ago

It may be success, but you cannot credit your success entirely to yourself if it depended on others suffering.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

The person achieving it might see it as a success, but the rest of the world will not, because it had a different goal in mind with whatever task the person succeeded in

by Anonymous 11 years ago