+125 Abortion isn't killing a baby. It's removing a fetus. End of story. The fetus can't feel or think. The fetus isn't aware of what's going on. However the crack whore/rape victim etc does, and is fully aware that bringing a child into this world under such pretexts is the worst thing for every one. Stop being self righteous. amirite?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Um, a fetus has been proven to dream, and is aware that it is alive. It's just a person at a different stage of development, like comparing a toddler to an adult. Just my opinion.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

i can see where you are coming from, but sometimes it is for the best.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

As brutal this is, it is very true. People who get raped do not want to be with a child who reminds them of what happened. And women often cannot support a child if they have to have sex for money. I would rather take it out, than let if live, because i wouldnt be able to give it a proper life.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(jesse_james17) Adoption?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

So it goes in an orphanage. Sometimes it won't eat, it won't have any possessions, it might not even get adopted. Or it goes to foster care. It moves from house to house, with only a few possessions. Never loving, maybe never loved. Might turn into a drug addict, might grow up in a bad neighborhood. Over 500,000 kids are in foster care in just the United States. Just because a kid isn't aborted doesn't mean it'll live a good life.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

At least it would actually have a life. Every person deserves a chance to live.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yes. Why don't we abort it just in case it's going to have a difficult life. In fact, why not just abort all babies? I mean, there's always a chance that their lives won't be great, so we might as well! On the other hand, I do agree with you when it comes to cases such as rape, or if the mother is in danger because of the pregnancy. I completely understand in those cases.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

There's always a *chance* people's lives are going to turn to shit, but if you're a child of parents who know that they can't care for you, you're being condemned to a terrible life until you can do something about it. Children should be brought into the world by parents that love them and can care for them. I'm not for aborting simple unplanned pregnancies where the parents can but don't want to care for the baby, but if they legitimately can't provide for it? Why would you want to condemn a person to that kind of childhood? As Katffro said, just because it wasn't aborted doesn't mean it will have a good life.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I forgot to add- If the mother was raped, she'd have to look at that abdomen for 9 months. Every day for 9 months. Constantly being reminded of that awful, awful event. Do you know how difficult that would be?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Finally, someone who speaks sense.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I couldn't bring myself to abort my child. It may be half a rapist's child, but it is also my own. If I could not come to terms with my situation I would give my child up for adoption not kill it. It wasn't his/her fault so they shouldn't be punished. Just IMO.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Until you have been in that situation you can't say anything. I have. I did. I don't regret it. Baby wouldn't of had a good life would they?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"Until you have been in that situation you can't say anything. I have. I did. I don't regret it." Until you have been in HER situation of not aborting the "fetus", you can't say anything. She has. She did. She doesn't regret it. Your point makes no sense, if it could easily be interchanged with the opposing person.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I have aborted my child. I have been in that exact situation. I don't regret it. It was the right choice.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That wasn't my point. You are either ignoring my point, because you know it's right. You can't read properly.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What exactly is your point then?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Like I said then; you can't read.... My point was clearly stated in my first part. If you couldn't understand that, anything I say would fly right over you.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Or you didn't explain your point properly. You know... don't need to start attacking. Or maybe you can't elaborate further because you know your 'point' is unclear. I simply asked you to elaborate further.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"Until you have been in that situation you can't say anything. I have. I did. I don't regret it." That's what you said but really, Until you have been in HER situation of not aborting the "fetus", you can't say anything. She has. She did. She doesn't regret it. You can't complain and say to a person "until you have been in the situation......" when clearly you haven't been her situation either. This post is about aborting fetuses. You can't judge someone when that haven't been on your "side" of the situation, when you have been on their side, either.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

She didn't need to get an abortion, as she wasn't pregnant. She can only say in theory that's what she would do. It clearly states COULDN'T and WOULDN'T. In fact, your point saying that i wasn't in her position, Yes actually I was. I had the choice to adopt out etc etc. I chose to abort and I'm glad I did. She never went through that.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well then, by your logic, she was in your position too. She was in the choice of aborting, instead decided to have the baby. You never went through that.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No she wasn't because she was never pregnant. It was hypothetical.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Your "couldn't, wouldn't" theory makes no sense. Let's say I WAS pregnant, and decided not to abort. I would still say : I COULDN'T have aborted my baby, I WOULDN'T have done such a thing

by Anonymous 13 years ago

^^ LOl True.. It would make it "hypothetical" just because someone says that.. It can be used as if it DID happen.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

My bad : *wouldn't** make it hypocritical

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Okay I was pregnant. Not hypothetical. Real life. She wasn't. Hers was hypothetical. you don't know how you would react to that situation until you have been there.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

1. How do you know she wasn't pregnnant? Like the person 3 posts above said : "your "couldn't, wouldn't" theory makes no sense. Let's say I WAS pregnant, and decided not to abort. I would still say : I COULDN'T have aborted my baby, I WOULDN'T have done such a thing" 2. How do you know I haven't been in that situation? How can you assume that? I've never stated anything about that, so for you to think your a mind reader amazes me Also, I'm not against pro-choice(before you mention anything about that) It's that your arguments make no sense. Like I said, you assume without obvious facts. A fail.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Because; you haven't been in that situation. It's obvious. Because the other person wasn't in that situation, it was clearly stated. My argument is until you have BEEN there, you cannot judge. So you have no leg to stand on. Don't try and say you have been there, because you haven't. Stop being a pretentious, narcissistic, misanthropic ass hole. Just stop.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Like I said, how do you know I haven't been in the situation. LOLOLOL Have you been there my whole life?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Because you haven't. You know you haven't. I know you haven't. Any one with two brain cells to rub together can see you haven't.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh I have, at 21...See how easy it was to point how wrong you were? Had to go through the question : keep or abort Was going to abort, no shape or time for a child, Only to realize later; I was going through a ectopic pregnancy. Shocker Treatment led to it's abortion. See how easy it was to "prove" how wrong you were? Well not prove..but in your world..because I say it..It's enough evidence. ;)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Also, most people who get abortions aren't rape victims or crack addicts. They are people who cannot be responsible enough to NOT get pregnant when the time is not right, and can't be bothered with he responsibility of a baby or adoption. So that rape argument is invalid.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If you're irresponsible enough to have unprotected sex what makes you responsible enough to look after a child?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yea, because there is not one RESPONSIBLE couple in the world, that would love to adopt a child, because they can't have children. Note the sarcasm.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

you have a point. Which I agree with. I also think a sixteen year old girl who makes one mistake shouldn't have to pay for it her whole life. Or even have to drop out of school for nine months. The emotional and mental affects it has are horrendous.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

True, but to a "pro-life" person view: You shouldn't a prevent life, because it's mother couldn't keep her legs close. Don't want babies? Don' t have sex. Especially if you're a irresponsible sixteen year old girl.. Again, not my views perse..but it does kinda have a point..

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You do have a point. And I agree with you. Keep your legs closed, but every one makes mistakes. Especially with the pressure on girls these days. One mistake! Just one. Should it ruin their whole life?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Eh, while I'm not much of a "conservative, pro-life, bible thumper person" that some of the media has been portraying, I feel that if a teen girl, that doesn't have the mental capacity, or the physical ability to take care of a child, becomes pregnant, they should at least look for parents who might adopt.. As for the nine months she would have to "suffer" through, well then that would be her punishment, and hopefully would teach her a lesson.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah. I get what you're trying to say. And it's a good point. In a way I agree, but i think the choice of aborting it should still be there. I'm from New Zealand, and here any female of any age can come in and get a free abortion without their parents consent. I've known fourteen year olds who have had three abortions. That is wrong, when it turns into something that happens every other week and they don't learn from their consequences. I think in the cases of where, the condom breaks or the oral contraceptive pill doesn't work, maybe you miss a day or what, the option should still be there.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Eh well, at the END of the day, my views are this; It will never be settled, pro-lifers would never agree with pro-choicers, so really, >it's up to that mother..I guess..< If they don't want the kid..and abort, if they do (which I would most likely do), then continue the pregnancy.. These wars over abortions are ridculous...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

My mom had me aborted. It's okay, I was just a fetus so I forgive her.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I agree with an earlier post. When does a baby become a baby? When he/she can move and listen and understand in his/her mom's body? Or is it at the time when they're born. So a baby that is born 6 weeks early is a baby, but a baby that has 6 weeks left in the pregnancy is not.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No. In the first trimester (twelve weeks) the 'baby' isn't a baby. It's just a bunch of cells with no consciousness or feeling. After that, then yes it IS a child. You can get an abortion in the first trimester because it ISNT a baby. It's a bunch of cells.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Not exactly, their brains are developed enough to feel pain at only eight weeks.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I see where you are coming from but this debate is meaningless because it will never come to a common ground.. Who are you to say what is right and what is wrong for another person. Killing someone is wrong but I don't go around to convicts and murders saying don't murder people. I don't go to burgerlers saying hey don't rob houses anymore. It's up to the person who does it. This is why I can't stand pro choice people. Because they concern them selves too much with the personal decisions of other people. I know it's a human life and all that but at the end of the day it is the decision of the mother and it's her morals and her values.. If she believes it's better to adopt than abort then cool. If she thinks vice versa then alright. It's not effecting me or you at the end of the day.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I think you mean pro-life, pro-choice get a choice... Just pointing it out I agree

by Anonymous 13 years ago

killing babys is wrong. period.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

but its not a baby. its a fetus.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

the moment the fetus is cencieved, its a baby.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No it isn't. When the sperm fertalises the egg, it takes twelve weeks for it to develop into anything. untill then its just a bunch of cells. go back to school.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm in school. And your heartless.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's no heartless. It's logic.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

but that fetus can grow up and become a doctor or cure cancer or be the next president! It's what the fetus can do. It's a PERSON... or at least it is going to be a person.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

@158014 (yesyouarerite): It could also grow up to be an axe murderer or a terrorist, what would you do then?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That's the thing! No one knows what the baby's going to turn out like.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I think abortion is wrong in most scenarios but if its a rape victim or the mother is at risk of complications I think you should go ahead with it. I think that people who abort without a real reason other than they don't think they are ready for a kid should give it up for adoption and go ahead with the birth because it is a serious issue and should not be used as birth control and if you have a successful abortion without any real trials through out it people may use it as an excuse to be careless

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm Pro-choice: If I got pregnant I wouldn't abort because I have an understanding boyfriend and family to emotionally and financially support me. However, there are plenty of people that are not as lucky as me. If you don't have the emotional or financial means to support yourself with a child, then you should not destroy a childs and you own life to keep a baby. Most (not all) women are able to make the right decision for them when it comes to their own abortion situation.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What I never understood is why Pro- Life exists. Pro- choice is the best of both sides of the argument. If you don't want an abortion, don't get one, but how is it your place to tell other humans what they can and can't do. That's just as much a moral wrong against society as aborting a fetus. And don't talk Potential. Yes, the fetus could potentially benefit society. But on the same degree, it could develop into a detriment to society. It is wrong to tell other humans what to do, just as much as it is wrong to prevent a birth. That is why Pro- choice encompasses the best of both sides. On either front, they have to live with the decision they make. If it turns out to be the wrong one for them, they will solve it and learn, and grow. That has always been my personal opinion and philosophy, "Let other people's actions alone, and let it change them alone." If you think it is wrong, let THEM experience it, so they can change depending on how they see it. But sure, there are some who wi...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Amen... just amen

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What I never understood is why Pro- Life exists. Pro- choice is the best of both sides of the argument. If you don't want an abortion, don't get one, but how is it your place to tell other humans what they can and can't do. That's just as much a moral wrong against society as aborting a fetus. And don't talk Potential. Yes, the fetus could potentially benefit society. But on the same degree, it could develop into a detriment to society. It is wrong to tell other humans what to do, just as much as it is wrong to prevent a birth. That is why Pro- choice encompasses the best of both sides. On either front, they have to live with the decision they make. If it turns out to be the wrong one for them, they will solve it and learn, and grow. That has always been my personal opinion and philosophy, "Let other people's actions alone, and let it change them alone." If you think it is wrong, let THEM experience it, so they can change depending on how they see it. But sure, there are some who wi...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Abortion is murder. That's the end. If anyone wants to look up some stuff about it, go to abort73.com. they have all the facts listed out. About 5 weeks into the pregnancy is when the heart starts beating. I don't know what you think, but to me, when there's a heartbeat, the person is living. On average, a woman finds out she's pregnant a few days before or after the baby already has a heartbeat. Also, the psychological detriment on the woman after having an abortion is huge. I'm going on statistics here, so not every case may feel that way, but the majority do. And from a religious standpoint (let alone a moral standpoint), it's wrong to murder someone.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Statistics could be made to say whatever you want them to say. Look at the freakonomics theory, crime rates went down because unwanted babies who would have been born into high-risk environments were aborted. Like I said, it's purely what you make the statistics say.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

100% of people who drink water die.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Uhh u realize by week four that the baby has it's own heart beat right? So what's the difference between that and murder?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

For pro-choice people, somebody made that name up the origanal name of that group was called pro-death. It was changed so abortion could sound more appealing and become a business...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Nope. Just not true. This is one of the most ridiculous posts I've seen on here. Can you please show us your facts to back this up? Or maybe you can just stop trying to be clever and have a real debate like the rest of us here.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Hey for people who think that people can't tell other people what to do. Have you heard of police officers there job is to tell people what to do

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Steven Hawkins cant feel, or function either. Hellen Keller was death and blind. Whats your point

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I agree with this post wholehardedly, also, if you bring a baby into the world unhealthy and you're not ready, you could just be setting him/her up for a horrible life. Torture, or death before it can TRULY be called a kill?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well said

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well, what did the baby do? So many people have been killed because of abortion and if they weren't maybe they could of saved millions of people by finding the cure to cancer or becoming the next president. You have your opinions but I'm Catholic and I believe it's plain murder.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Some of you are absolutely RIDICULOUS! You can't say that statistics are just statistics. Those are found through multiple studies (especially with such a touchy subject as this) To say that is quite unintelligent and just makes it seem like you can't come up with any other reason as to why you can't consider that fetus living. Which is exactly why you say something like that

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Because a fetus isn't living. That's why it's called a fetus not a baby.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm on my phone so I can't click reply but this is a reply to the person saying they could be an axe murderer: they are still a person. You teach people to grow up and that is the parents fault if they turn out to be that way. Don't be a pessamist and learn to realize the facts.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What if the parents didn't want the kid in the first place? Then the parents wouldn't teach the child because they don't want the child, don't love the child, won't care for the child.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Believe me, once you have a baby pushed out of you, it's very hard not to want to hold that child and love it. But, there are exceptions I guess. If you don't want a kid, you put it up for adoption. Not keep him and raise him to become a killer.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Honestly... abortion... sigh... have u ever felt love, guys? how do you feel when you recieve a gift? what is it like to dance in the rain? or sing? whats it like to look out the window and see nature? when you abort a child, you take away from it all these things. Just cuz it would be hard for you? think about it, guys...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

this is ridiculous. i think that if a woman wants an abortion, it is her right as a mother to decide. not yours. and this is not an easy decision. she will still love that baby. it is part of her. but depending on the circumstance, sometimes they are unable to provide and care for the baby. the mother knows they can give the baby up for adoption. but hauling it around for 9 months will make the mother more attached, and it will become harder for her to give the baby away. the mother thinks of the baby's overall life. she doesn't want her child to be unhappy. so like i said, it is the mother's decision. so if you're not in the situation, then good for you.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It is stupid how Christians are so against abortion and say the fetus has the right to live, but if he/she turns out to be gay they turn their backs on them.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm Christian and I am not a homophobic.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

abortion is only for if the baby or mothers life is in danger or if it will be a child of rape. All children have the right to live. If you don't want a kid put it up for adoption.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I mean, you can't say that even a really early fetus isn't SOMETHING. It may not be able to think and all that stuff, but there's no denying that a little thing was just created by two human beings and has a whole entire lifetime of thoughts and words and emotions that will go with it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's the size of a pin head. it doesn't have thoughts.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Just imagine if you were that fetus the mother was about to abort. Never to be born or have a chance at life.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah, cause as a fetus you'd totally be thinking "OH MY GOD, my mom who can't provide for me and doesn't have enough money or support to raise me is not giving me a chance at life! oh my god, she is SOOOOOOO selfish!! Even though i'd have a horrible life, and it would be really hard, its soooooo rude of her to think about herself! i'll never amount to anything!!!"

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No one is going to know if it turns out to have a shitty life or if it's going to do good in life.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Unless of course the mom who would know whether or not she can handle having a baby. Maybe the mother is poor or has a bad family life. Do you want a child to be brought up like that? At the end of the day, you don't decide who should get an abortion, the woman who has the baby should make the choice.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

So basically if the woman doesn't abort, there is a 100 percent chance the baby's going to grow up to be something bad?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, but if the mother can't do it she has the right to abort. It's not living and has no feelings, contrary to what some people say.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Thank you! Finally, someone who agrees that, under the right circumstances, abortion is good. @630036 (Elmo7): And, let me ask you this? You think its wrong to abort something with no feelings or emotions or anything like that, yet its fine that in war we kill thousands of people everyday who certainly have feelings, and every day people are getting raped and murdered. Why don't you try protesting that instead of something that helps people.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well you can't say it's something that just has no feelings or emotions,there's more to it than that. Your mother didn't think YOU were just something with no feelings or emotions. And yes, i agree, there are thousands of people dying, murdered and raped, and abortion's not as big as a problem as those. Under some circumstances I think it will be alright to abort the baby.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I agree that its sort of wrong just to abort a baby cause "you don't want it" but even if i think that, in the end, its really not my place to choose, you know? I think its wrong to kill a fetus just cause your''re not in the mood to have a baby, hahaha, but if a woman did that, i can't blame her cause i'm not in her situation

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If you abort a child because you're a rape victim, i don't care go ahead.If you abort because of financial issues, i don't care. But, i despise it when you abort because the doctor says it's going to come out retarded

by Anonymous 13 years ago

A woman having an abortion because she was raped almost NEVER happens.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

How the hell would you actually know this?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

well said homebre

by Anonymous 12 years ago