-25 I am perfectly fine with thieves getting shot while attempting to steal... amirite?

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

I'm sorta with you if someone enter your home you have to assume they have lethal intentions but if I see someone stealing from my car I'm going to try to chase them off first but if they try to fight me whatever happens after that is their fault not mine. Let me make this clear I have no desire to harm or kill any person and I hope I'm never in a position to do this but I will not just allow myself or the people I love to be victimized.

by Altruistic_Deal 1 year ago

Also people don't realize how scary and dangerous situations like that are. Yeah it may seem unnecessary when you read about it, but in the moment you have no idea. And things can go from safe to deadly in seconds.

by Careful-Door 1 year ago

This is the most reasonable take

by Nokon 1 year ago

Unfortunately being reasonable and compassionate gets people killed all the time

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Lots of people in graveyards who were "right"

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I agree and cringe at how many in here would happily be a victim in this scenario.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

I don't think they would happily be the victim in this scenario. I just think they wouldn't want to risk their lives, fighting someone to the death over an object.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

This.

by hahnshania 1 year ago

I cringe at how many would accidentally kill me or mine while trying to "protect" us because they think they're going to be heroic but have never fired a weapon.

by Turcottemikayla 1 year ago

We find it cringe to live your life in fear. On time, late at night, I heard a really loud noise in the kitchen. It was really loud, like a body smacking into something. Turned out it was an animal that fell in the walls. Not once did I think to get my gun. Same with loud noises in the back yard. I go out with a flashlight, never my guns.

by NetReasonable 1 year ago

not everyone has the privilege to live in a place with low crime rates.

by Intelligent-Share 1 year ago

How many times has that happened to you?

by Anonymous 1 year ago

It hasn't, nor will it probably ever. But he spends an immense amount of time thinking about it. That's the whole living his life in fear part. Another way to spin it is that they optimize for the wrong thing. No engineer would spend 99% of his time optimizing for something with a 1% chance of happening. So why do these people? Fear. They are constantly afraid. Or they are psychopaths that want to kill someone. They have a much higher chance of getting in a car wreck, but put zero effort into making that part of their lives any safer.

by NetReasonable 1 year ago

Stupidity is not the opposite of fear.

by Fabulous-Target6708 1 year ago

This needs to be higher above. Life in general gets more complex when you add reality to abstract judgements.

by SignificantPass5247 1 year ago

No! Then what will ammosexuals fantasize about all day? We can't have that! /S

by Narciso06 1 year ago

I agree with you if they're trying to break into an occupied house. I'm not shooting anyone for trying to break into an empty car. That's overkill.

by No_Music_7433 1 year ago

This is how we roll in NM, we just had a guy shank a cop (who ended up dying sadly) and a bystander snuffed the guy out trying to save the officer.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I saw that video. It was messed up

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I am 100% ok with this.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

It should be more popular, and that's exactly why criminals are now emboldened to steal in broad daylight while the police just sit on their ass and watch. Truly incredible times we live in.

by Homenicknadia 1 year ago

It would've been faster to say that you believe that the punishment for theft should be death.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I do not believe that, but I also do not not believe that. If someone feels their life is threatened by a thief and shoots them, I cannot say they are wrong.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

My life isn't being threatened if someone breaks into my car and I'm not in it.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

That's not the same thing at all

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Again, I do not feel the punishment for theft should be death in most cases, but if the person being preyed upon feels the need to protect themselves, I cannot fault them for doing whatever they feel they need to do.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

People who rah rah like this don't actually understand logistics of shooting someone. If being this Trigger happy is waiting for someone to steal...

by Nokon 1 year ago

I completely understand the logistics. If I feel my, or my family's life is in danger, I have ZERO problem pulling that trigger.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

But that isn't what you were talking about. You were talking about popping off shots at someone breaking into a car or something (not considering at all that chances are you'll miss, you'll be firing in a populated area, and are likely to shoot an innocent bystander with one of your stray shots). It's just absolutely irresponsible gun ownership in my opinion. Also, maybe consider getting some help dealing with your desire to kill someone.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Yea. There's a specific NPC variation of guys online who talk big talk about shooting purse snatchers. While probably working security at Chuck E. Cheese

by MiserableMix2870 1 year ago

Npc?

by Anonymous 1 year ago

This. I am pro 2a but these types are usually ones that shoot someone by accident

by Nokon 1 year ago

No, it is not. It is stating that I have ZERO issues with a thief catching a bullet for their actions. I never said I WANTED to shoot or harm anyone.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

Contradictory 101

by beieryasmin 1 year ago

Not at all contradictory. Wanting to do something, and being ok with it happening are NOT the same thing.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

OK, cowboy.

by hahnshania 1 year ago

Your family is not in danger when someone is simply stealing. That's so dramatic.

by hahnshania 1 year ago

That is your opinion, and completely based on zero "real" facts. Every scenario is different.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

Is it a danger to your safety or a property crime you're talking about? One makes sense, but the other doesn't. If a hungry person is stealing bread, you're ok with a random bystander shooting them? If a 10 year old is shoplifting candy, you're ok with a nearby shopper shooting them? If your answer is no to either of the above, you need to refine your position and posit a much different "rule" than the one you have.

by No_Yogurt 1 year ago

The fact you didn't even think of giving commands first before just pulling the trigger. Before you retort"and give the criminal a chance to attack me." If you don't understand how to have distance or create distance.shows you don't have much training and not trustworthy with a gun

by Nokon 1 year ago

I despise bullies and those who prey on others. It is unfortunate that they decided to traverse that route. I did not force them to do so, and I will not judge someone who eliminates a threat if they feel their life is in danger.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

You're not frank castle. I'm not gonna judge on defending one's life. Defending one's life is the key point there. Not petty car theft. You sound like the main character from falling down and that's not a good thing

by Nokon 1 year ago

Never claimed to be Frank Castle. I also never claimed to WANT to hurt or kill anyone or anything. Not a good thing how?

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

You act like you do internet tough guy. You literally want to shoot people for simple theft. You never seen falling down did you?

by Nokon 1 year ago

I have not, and I also hold no fantasy about killing anyone. I just would not look down upon someone for doing so...

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

You're online fantasizing about shooting people

by Kemmerwillie 1 year ago

No, I am not.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

This is great.

by hahnshania 1 year ago

Any criminal who is engaging in a home invasion understands they might end up dying. Not even by gunshot- it could be knife, baseball bat, a sword. This whole convo seems to be the fights vs the flights. You clearly are the flight guy.

by MangoEconomy 1 year ago

My guy. Because I don't go Rambo doesn't make me the flight guy. I'm not talking about home invasions. I assume people have I'll intent breaking into a house. But go off again with your itchy trigger finger.

by Nokon 1 year ago

Yeah being a pickpocket and being a home invader is wildly different

by Danielmaymie 1 year ago

That's my point. Home invasion is safest to assume ill intent. Pickpocket is not the same.

by Nokon 1 year ago

So the J6er who stole Pelosi' lectern shoulda been shot too, right?

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Yep

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I'm honestly shocked that they didn't end up getting shot during all that and I'm also kind of shocked they didn't get the death penalty after that since it was treason and all

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Nah, I don't want to kill anyone even if they are robbing me. I would be tortured for probably the rest of my life thinking about the persons family. I'd almost rather be dead than have to kill someone. Now if they were going to hurt my family, that's probably another story.

by Sad-Piece4083 1 year ago

I think having a robber in your house is enough of a threat to your safety to shoot. People shout about that it was unnecessary, but in the moment you gave no idea. And it only takes a moment for you to die. I remember watching a video of a mall fight. Lots of shouting and shoving. Then in the matter of about 3 seconds , a knife comes out and hits a dude in the neck. He fell dead in like 6 seconds before anyone realized what happened.

by Careful-Door 1 year ago

I agree. I lived on my own when I was in my early 20s. I'm a petite woman, so most people have a huge physical advantage over me. If I woke up in the middle of the night and found an intruder in my home, I'm assuming that the absolute worst scenario is a possibility. My parents recently experienced this. An intruder entered their home while they were sleeping. My dad woke up from the noise and found himself being ordered around at gunpoint. Fortunately, it was just a burglary and nothing more. The thief took what he wanted and ran off. Hearing him recount the story was traumatizing for me, and I wasn't even there. My mom suffers from anxiety and insomnia because of it. Maybe that person didn't have any intentions of harming my parents, but either way, expecting someone to be a sitting duck because it's just theft is almost offensive. I'm not going to trust that someone committing a crime against me has good intentions, and I'm not keen on waiting until after the crime is committed to rely on hindsight.

by tillmanmagali 1 year ago

Personally disagree. I appreciate the sentiment but now you're opening a whole pandora's box of misunderstandings. What if you think someone is stealing your car, you shoot them, and it turns out they're completely innocent?

by AdventurousAttempt 1 year ago

Shooting someone trying to break into your house = protecting yourself and your family. Shooting someone for stealing your iphone = psycho with murder tendencies that just found a socially acceptable reason to justify his act. As for the "they sentenced themselves to death when trying to steal from ME", we can say the same to justify murder for even random things. "He sentenced himself to death by staring at ME". You are not that important, and your iphone ain't worth more than someones life. Consult a psychiatrist.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

As for the "they sentenced themselves to death when trying to steal from ME", we can say the same to justify murder for even random things. "He sentenced himself to death by staring at ME". Not even close to the same thing, and you know it. and your iphone ain't worth more than someones life.> To the thief, it apparently is.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

I have grown less and less patient and understanding with crime as I've gotten older The more I learn about the second and third order effects, the more I'm okay with bad things happening to them

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Same. How am i to know if they intend to hurt me or my kids. Robbers life means less than dirt to me.

by WaferStock 1 year ago

A lot of Americans seem to want any excuse to start shooting.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I don't live in a country where people have firearms and I doubt I could shoot somebody. That said as far as I'm concerned if you try to rob someone and get beaten or shot you made your bed. Don't try to steal stuff other people have worked for.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I believe there to be a difference between a thief dying, and me killing a thief. If I had to kill one, I'd imagine they'd have taken more from me than just my car's goods.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I agree with you op. You have earned your ass to get blasted if you're stealing from someones personal belongings. Also, immediate castration and buried alive if you get caught trying to kidnap a kid or traffic a kid. People who prey on children do not need to be alive. They need to be off this planet.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Calm down there pizza slicer.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

"Armed society is polite society." Polite, except for all the people who get mass murdered by guns in the US every week.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Remind us how armed were the victims? Ohh, they were gun free zones. If most shootings happen in gun free zones...

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Right because there's soooo many armed citizens where they are targeting

by Anonymous 1 year ago

1000% yes. The problem with most of society today is that people forgot that their actions have consequences. Does anyone remember "Happy Slapping"? Same thing.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

This mf has just thrown out of the window the school shootings

by Anonymous 1 year ago

That just escalates things to where the thief just shoots you without warning to play it safe.

by NetReasonable 1 year ago

A lot of times, this can be the case, and thus makes my point for me.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

that's what they do anyway

by Intelligent-Share 1 year ago

Thieves make the choice to value property over their life the moment they steal, not the victim.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

10000% this.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

There's this thing called insurance

by Upset-Strike 1 year ago

well many thieves do more than just steal, and it's hard to tell if a person is just a "thief" or willing to commit more serious crimes, and I'm not willing to find out the hard way.

by Intelligent-Share 1 year ago

Someone who steals out of desperation due to addiction or another issue…well, I am not OK with them being killed for it. Home invasion while people are home? Sure. I wouldn't allow someone to harm my family. But to murder someone over property when no one else was in danger? That's disturbing to me. And it is fine for you to feel that way. I do not look down on those who feel and act differently.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

Hell yeah if someone had a gun and broke into my house then yeah he's putting our lives in danger . He deserves to die basically

by Anonymous 1 year ago

You can't ever know if they do or not. If someone broke into my home, no way in hell I'm waiting to see if they have a gun or not, they're getting put down. They clearly have no problem breaking the law, and my children are worth more to me than any criminals ever will. You have to assume the worst when they break in.

by Electrical-Nerve 1 year ago

Yes, we're all very aware that there's a large number of people obsessed with the idea of having any excuse to kill someone. And if that means gunning down someone for trying to steal your car radio, you never valued other peoples lives anyway.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Trigger happy gun nuts looking for an excuse to shoot someone. This is how we get kids shot through the door when they knock, drivers shot in their car because they pulled into a driveway, husbands and wives shot by their partner who didn't recognize them in the dark. Dramatically raising the chance of a fatal accident happening in your house for the sake of possibly protecting your home from something stastically unlikely to ever happen.

by Kindly-Philosophy829 1 year ago

Nah, I don't think people should try to kill other people

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Not talking about trying to kill other people.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

You said people TRYING to kill others. I am suggesting no such thing. I don't like to witness pain and suffering. I also don't think that the scum of society who steal from others deserve any less than that.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

"I don't like to witness pain and suffering" but I'll shot anyone who touches my iPhone lol this is a wild take.

by Immediate-Plum-8609 1 year ago

Is that what I said? I said I don't feel bad at all if someone who preys on their fellow humans catches lead poisoning. Also, just because I am willing to do something does NOT mean I will like doing it.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

No but it also means that you don't mind witnessing pain and suffering. As long as your family is not in danger and the thief got what they want is it really worth killing them??

by Immediate-Plum-8609 1 year ago

Oh for sure I don't care like I said if the thief gets hurt but I also don't care if the person who shoots spends their life in prison, weigh the outcomes and think before you act.

by Immediate-Plum-8609 1 year ago

Good advice for the person preying on their fellow man...

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

We don't live in a world where people don't try to kill other people, so it kinda doesn't matter what you think

by Anonymous 1 year ago

But that's the hard thing to do.

by roelwyman 1 year ago

Lmao too real

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Americans will pick literally any reason to shoot someone…

by mariannebednar 1 year ago

Racist.

by Claude69 1 year ago

How is that racist? The citizens of the USA are made up of no one race or ethnicity.

by mariannebednar 1 year ago

Sadly

by Anonymous 1 year ago

If you decide to rob someone, you're essentially putting your life in the hands of whoever your robbing. If you're planning to steal a man's wallet, you're determining that your life is of equal value to that wallet.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Bro's on his villain arc. Don't blame him, it was us and our soft soft world. He HAD to stand up against the tide you see, he HAD to. Or countless innocents will die. He is the man born of bat

by Danielmaymie 1 year ago

It absolutely is if you look at the responses in here. I choose not to disclose the levels of violence and crime I have experienced, as I do not feel those facts matter in this instance.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

That sounds like a nightmare! To be fair, OP did say getting shot, not getting killed, so I actually do agree with them there. But obviously getting shot often means getting killed. Honestly, if you try to steal from a typical American household, especially in aggressive or demeaning way like what you described, you are absolutely asking to get yourself shot. I mean, I dare you all to go ring the doorbell of every house on your street 😬

by Anonymous 1 year ago

The only issue here is mistakes where they think someone is a thief and they are not.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Muricans

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Trump seems to want this btw

by Anonymous 1 year ago

But then, wouldn't more thieves want to bring a gun along in case they get shot at?

by Amazing_Spirit 1 year ago

ok

by Ill-Grand 1 year ago

Amen 🙏

by Every_Peanut8742 1 year ago

The problems is more with how many people fantasize doing it, like it's a no brainer thing you would do in fight or flight but why would you want to brag about it?

by Anonymous 1 year ago

It's a completely disproportionate response. Just say you want an excuse to murder someone.

by Upset-Strike 1 year ago

I concur

by Anonymous 1 year ago

You shouldn't be "perfectly fine" with it. Shooting someone should be something that's seen as generally awful but can be necessary depending on the context. It really just sounds like you want an excuse to shoot someone and thieves are a convenient somewhat morally justifable target.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I agree. Train with your fire arm. Its your weapon. Your life. Your sword. But if out in public its hard to justify the safety of others. So this is a case by case scenario.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Uh no, that's not how that works. You pull the trigger, you are making the judgement call that their life was worth less than your iPhone. If you're going to have a terrible opinion then at least have the guts to commit to it.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

This makes no sense, and is, in essence, victim blaming. The opus is on the thief, not on the victim to decide what they feel their life is worth.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

No, not at all. They break into my house, I have to automatically assume the worst, and that's that they are here to harm my kids. There's no way around it, my kids will always be worth more than some scum who decided to break in. Also, you're wrong. If someone decides to break into someone's home, even if it's for the sole purpose of stealing things, he himself decided my things are worth more than his life, or he wouldn't be risking it knowing that some people shoot intruders.

by Electrical-Nerve 1 year ago

If someone were to show me a knife and say "give me your money or I'll stab you" do you think I should be legally obligated to give him my money? Or should victims of a crime be able to defend themselves?

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Truly unpopular opinion, so for that good job, BUT... While I DO hate thieves, I also would prefer that we all respect the importance of a human life. The world becomes a very dangerous place when we decide that we can kill for any little injustice done to us. At the end of the day, I'm not going to cry over my stolen iPhone, or a piece of jewelry longer than a day or so, but somewhere a mother will grieve her son/daughter forever.

by morissetteleone 1 year ago

I do not respect the importance of human life for those who do not respect their own. "any little injustice" is not even close to what I am talking about. Its not like I am referring to someone stepping on my pumas. It is the fault of the thief that someone is crying over them.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

The problem with such extreme punishment is, where do we draw the line? If thievery merits a death sentence, do we also murder children? Teenagers who slip something into their pockets from Walmart? People who don't pay for their milk at the self checkout?

by morissetteleone 1 year ago

I don't think shoplifting is the same kind of theft. Nobody's in danger because of a shoplifter. If somebody breaks into your home in the middle of the night it's different, you don't know what they're doing or how they'll react when they realize somebody's home. I think holding them at gunpoint until the proper authorities show up is cool if they don't have a weapon or try to attack you. If they're attack or try to pull a weapon then it's fair. If they have one in their hands already then you should make sure they don't get the opportunity to use it. I'm also not gonna sit there and let my car get stolen I'll go outside to see what's up. They know the risk and they still do it, they're banking on you not doing anything.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

They know the risk and they still do it, they're banking on you not doing anything. This is 100% accurate. Most know there is no consequence for their action, and almost no deterrent. In countries where theft is punishable severely, there is little theft.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

That is up to is the person being stolen from feels like their life is in danger by the thief.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago

I am absolutely flabbergasted that people don't agree with this in mass. This is common sense. If someone is entering your home, you have no idea what their intentions are. I am not going to wait around to see what they want to do to me or my family. And if they are trying to take something significant that can impact my family's well being, the same goes. They forfeited the security of their life the moment they entered the threshold of someone else's home. The only way I can fathom that someone would not agree with this, is complete and utter disconnection with responsibility and the real world. Absolute lack of real problems or exposure to property crime and how it affects real people.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

seriously, how can you be so sure that a person is just a "thief"? do they realize one can commit multiple crimes at once?

by Intelligent-Share 1 year ago

You can't be sure. There is always a chance. I'd rather err on the side of protecting myself and my family, than fall short and regret it.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

To add, I hope I never have to make that decision, but I will in a heart beat. It saddens me that some people are in a position that they are forced to theft, but I cannot hold their needs above my family's.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Most people live in their own little bubble, and have never experienced crime personally. It is easy to get on a soap box about it when it has never affected them.

by Kurtrowe 1 year ago