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Art school should be way more exclusive. amirite?
by No-Carpenter-18464 weeks ago
be art school charge 60k only 1 person out of 10 has talent still gets 600k per 10 people. can sing praises of the few people that make it in life "look we helped them get there" casually forget the majority of students who graduate and work in unrelated fields. repeat
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Sounds like any tertiary education to be fair
by brandtcarroll4 weeks ago
We are currently living in a world that doesn't value education purely for the sake of education. Humanities education isn't supposed to get you a job in a humanities field. It's supposed to teach you how to analyze information and understand the broader context of the world we live in.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
On the flip side, so many companies treat a degree as a filtering mechanism for jobs that don't actually need one, it was inevitable to end up where we are.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
The way you put it as a filtering mechanism I've been trying to say this for years. It's only a way to keep certain people from applying I guess. I wanted to apply for seasonal work as a ghost tour guide for my city. I have authentic looking Victorian clothing, I speak well and clearly and I actually lived in one of the houses on the tour. But they said I needed an associates degree. Tbf I could see if they wanted acting experience, but why an unrelated associates degree to simply tell ghost stories and walk around in costume? You'd think an audition would be good enough.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
An associate's degree for ghost tours? Holy crap, that is ridiculous.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
In their defense, having a high school diploma no longer a guarantees you can read and write..
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
College to many is just a life stage and nothing more. Half my fraternity brothers went to work for their dads/family companies. Another example is a girl I dated who told me her plan was to graduate, have a kid and then be a stay at home mom. Not like until they're in school, like forever. I asked what the point of a degree was and we broke up.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Right? I always laugh at people who look down on their noses at those who study the very thing that defines our species.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
I don't look down my nose at them, but I am probably going to hire them.
by Dandreruecker4 weeks ago
It's not that we don't value education for its own sake. It's that we see the consequences of going deep into debt to obtain such an education. If you're going to take on a ton of student debt in order to become a dentist I'm all for it. Good idea! If you're going to dig yourself a $100,000 hole in order to learn how to "analyze information and understand the broader context of the world we live in" I would call that folly.
by jonatanokuneva4 weeks ago
The fact that you need to consider the crushing debt of education confirms their point.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Community College exists. You don't need to go to a prestigious $50k/yr art university to pursue the arts.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
The STEM fields would beg to differ.
by pricekaley4 weeks ago
I'm a business grad in a finance-related industry and boy do we have a lot of chemical and mechanical engineers applying for jobs here. Damn if they were going to work in an unrelated job then at least if it were something more interesting like art it would be less of a waste than 4 years studying engineering and never touching it again.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
When we were at university we used to joke about industrial engineering being a 4 year course on being in charge.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
An engineering degree is a proof in problem solving ability, and that's why it's generally more accepted to transition an engineering grad into non-engineering related roles. To graduate from engineering it's very "figure it out or fail", so companies know that if you've gone through most engineering programs then you've got the ability to do the research to figure it out.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Idk, the banks here in Singapore send people to hire in Humanities school too. I have friends who took the most fluff of humanities courses who got hired by Big 4 consultancies and are making decent money.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Oh, I totally understand. One of my friends here in LA went to a prestigious school and studied literature. He immediately went into investment banking and makes 10x the median income for the area. It's just harder than coming from an engineering background.
by Ellieprohaska4 weeks ago
That also tends to be the value of a prestigious school. Graduating with an engineering degree proves you can think. So does being accepted to Stanford.
by Miserable_Cattle_6514 weeks ago
Engineering and physics are literally magnitudes harder than any other major. Chemistry and math are even harder lol
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Think you can walk a music degree at national conservatory?
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
I have a chemistry and math degree, never taken business or accounting. The banking industry also loved my chemistry and math degrees. Neither are relevant to my daily job but developing critical thinking skills is what they care about.
by Capital-Contact4 weeks ago
There are three types of engineering students in college: 1) True engineers. They either have talent or are willing to take a pay cut to stay in engineering. 2) Engineer to management. They plan to go into management almost immediately after graduation. 3) Good at math or science. They are good at math or science, but they could have also been a doctors, accountant, financial analyst, etc. Only the first group stays in engineering. The rest move on at some point.
by roelgrady4 weeks ago
boy do we have a lot of chemical and mechanical engineers applying for jobs here Finance shops like people who are adept at math. You know who are really adept at math? Engineers. Finance shops also like educated people who understand how to build and interpret intricate designs? You know who really understand how to build and interpret intricate designs? Engineers. Finance shops also like to hire economics and math majors for these same reasons. Basically, finance businesses like to hire smart people from all sorts of disciplines because a lot of them apply well to finance.
by Individual_Parsnip4 weeks ago
When someone has an engineering degree, it is indicative of someone who is smart, organized and used to hard work. My chem Eng degree taught me how to solve problems. I went to med school after and it was easier than engineering school. I've never "used" my degree" but It was extraordinary training for what I do.
by Shanel194 weeks ago
Engineering is a lot of work for medium pay. Every engineering grad looks over at the finance industry after a few years of 9-5 asking themselves how
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
And yet engineering degrees on a resume crush most other degrees :)
by Only_Hospital4 weeks ago
I'm an Earth Science major who taught for many years, but now does tons of graphic design work, lol
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Especially the S and the M. A lot of the traditional paths for, say, a chemistry degree just don't hire like they used to.
by Ugreenfelder4 weeks ago
why is it 'shocking'? Universities are supposed to be about education, not 'career'.
by Aggravating_Base4 weeks ago
Unless it's someone studying art. Then it's all sorts of judgments about practical career success.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Because STEMlords refuse to believe they aren't the only people getting a good education.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
And as someone in Software Dev, a lot of the best people I've worked with either have a dual major that is part non-STEM, or not are not STEM at all. Some of the worst people I've worked with are STEMlords who believe they're the only smart person in the room.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
You mean steAm? Give it a few more years and you will be engineering the perfect banana taped to a wall ever.
by Subject_Director4 weeks ago
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by Anonymous4 weeks ago
steAm must be the stupidest acronym ever. It defeats the whole purpose of stem.
by pricekaley4 weeks ago
Unless you get your masters and PhD for most of them, you're just an over qualified barista too. I know. I have a degree in the STEM field and joined the military instead.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
I heard that getting your PhD in engineering is only advisable if you want to go into academia or do research.
by Kaylee124 weeks ago
Oh boy, do you have no idea what happens to STEM grads if you think thats the case
by aracelijenkins4 weeks ago
This was my exact experience when I went back to college in my 30s for an IT degree after already having gotten a music degree in my 20s. Most of my classmates couldn't program their way out of a paper bag. Now, I do recognize that not all IT/CS jobs require high level programming skills, but these people could barely write Fizz-buzz, and the school was more than happy to pass them along and collect the tuition checks, thank you very much.
by Rae084 weeks ago
I've also taken courses where normally everyone technically failed but the bell curve made it so people passed
by Top-Article4 weeks ago
When I heard they were losing their jobs over that it made me so f****** happy
by shayneokeefe4 weeks ago
Oh you went to SCAD too?
by Evening_Tadpole4 weeks ago
As an art college attendee, this has definitely been my experience.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
I went to art school. My passion was photography and photography alone. I wasn't much of a drawer, painter, sculptor, or anything else to do with art. I was still required to take classes in drawing, painting, pottery, 3D sculpting, performance art, and every other kind of art you can imagine. There I was with zero skill trying to keep up with some of the most talented artists I had ever met. And my work hung up in the walls just the same as theirs.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
I went too and was the opposite, hilariously bad at photography. SO so SO bad. You know what I found was different? Photography kids had a shot at nicely lying " No... really.... it's um ok honest ". Some of the art students were too competitive to go that far with each other. I'm an ok artist. Pretty convinced photography is an eye. You either have it or you don't. Which makes me fascinated by good photos.
by Schimmelbonnie4 weeks ago
Hey that sounds like my English BA I just say it references the bible, find the suitable verse, and the corrector orgasms
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Hold on, let me commission a sculptor real quick
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
and my work hung up in the walls just the same as theirs I have this image in my mind where you have all these fantastic artists making these paintings, and then there's the one awkward painting of a sun in the corner, and a flower, and a stick figure smiling. Like something you'd make in 5th grade
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
I wish you were further off than you actually are
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Does the sun have a smiley face on it
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Yeah I was in a production management program at an art school and woof was i untalented⦠still had to take all the art classes which I loved but it was definitely humbling. One fond memory of a guy I dated. We were in the same painting class. I slaved away for 2 sleepless weeks on a project, pulling all nighters trying to get it finished. He strolled into the studio the night before it was due and created an amazing gorgeous piece in a few hours. Really spectacular work. Then just strolled out and got a full nights sleep lol
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Agreed, I'm doing a psychology degree but it's a BA so I have to do a bunch of arts classes as well. Did photography and loved it, going to have to do either painting/sculpting/drawing to finish my requirements and I already know I'm going to be hanging a bucket of coffee beans from the ceiling. Some of us don't get a choice.
by Wise-Consequence83804 weeks ago
I wrapped tin foil around cardboard and hung it up in the woods. A+
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Was this at degree level? I've heard in America (I've also assumed you're American, please correct me) degrees are initially more varied than uk degrees As far as I'm aware you could just do a photography degree- there may be some parts which might not be purely photography (idk haven't done a photography degree) but at least everyone would be in the same boat Tbf I'm not sure if art foundation courses are mostly required, which would lead to the problem you've mentioned for a year
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
No after two world wars we have to let everyone in.
by Danialturcotte4 weeks ago
Adolf loved drawing buildings, he should have been an architect. Too bad that art schools at the time only wants portrait artists.
by Mspinka4 weeks ago
we'll go thing for you that the architecture was a minimalistic approach to neoclassical architecture called starved neoclassicalism which looks ugly in comparison imo.
by No-Mood-90474 weeks ago
Being on a first name basis with Hitler is kinda weird
by Current-Stand45404 weeks ago
That's Mr Hitler to you
by Ok-Space-32504 weeks ago
"What ever happened to that Adolf boy?" *attends rally* "Ohhhh."
by miller104 weeks ago
Didn't he WANT to be a portrait artists despite being bad at drawing people and rejected the advice that he go onto architecture which got him rejected?
by NewEstablishment4 weeks ago
He was advised to apply for architecture, but he never did it because it required math courses which he lacked.
by Worried_Brilliant4 weeks ago
Not really. There's no argument whatsoever for Hitler contributing to cause WW1. He was a young soldier.
by Brilliant_Thanks4 weeks ago
DID WE NOT LEARN ANYTHING FROM THAT ONE AUSTRIAN GUY? AT LEAST GIVE THEM A PARTICIPATION AWARD
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Good point!
by No-Carpenter-18464 weeks ago
Nah bro, leave art school as it is. Once you graduate and start looking for a job it becomes a bloodbath that I wouldn't wish upon anyone. Let creatives be able to enjoy it at least at some stage of their living
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
I have a LOT of friends who work in "the arts." Most of them aren't rich, but very few of them wish they were working in an office building, dealing with middle management and filing reports.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
I've always said there's art and there's craft. Sometimes they coincide but they are not inherent in each other.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Art comes after craft. Art without craft is just meaningless.
by pearlie284 weeks ago
Art without craft is just meaning
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
I actually remember several college preparation videos and such, saying at the end of any segments about art courses, that you don't have to be a Michaelangelo to succeed. Some people are always gonna create more sophisticated works of art than others.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Always been exclusive that's why Hitler didn't make it π
by Jodiegoldner4 weeks ago
Did someone say βart school'. I've got the perfect joke! Real hilarious and original stuff guys.
by Aurelieprohaska4 weeks ago
Art isn't supposed to be just highly detailed Oil paintings. I understand your frustrated that some art works don't require more refined technique or long hours but some of the best art works today were probably talked about in a similar sense. Even look at Pop Art as an example. Screen printing is far "easier" to learn but the point of the art is for it to be mass produced and printable. You have your tastes and can dislike whatever but I'd say there's a good chance that these artists are actually talented and they are exploring different concepts and experimenting with form.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Dont bring any reason in here. Contemporary art is a no go since it's only for snobs and money laundering s/ Im not a big fan art of the stylistic choice most of the time either but saying that it just sucks so bad/doesn't have any effort in it and going full on bandwagon when you never even tried to understand its concept is pretty shallow imo.
by Marquardtnewell4 weeks ago
They look down on non-stem majors for whatever stupid reason, probably because they are boring people who find non-stem pursuits too difficult, and therefore not worthwhile That's secretly my opinion. I'm a software developer by trade and a musician by passion, and i've always found engineering insanely easy compared to art. It works or it doesn't, if it doesn't that means you just have to learn some information which is probably readily available on the internet. Learning hard concepts is easy, even a monkey can do that. On the other hand, when a piece of art doesn't work it's a lot more work ! Sometimes you'll have to spend years collecting life experiences to get over the hump, or immerse yourself deeply in a genre to understand where it's coming from, or achieve some copernican revolution to change the way you relate to the piece and its inspiration. It requires deep and uncompromising intellectual effort, not just the application of some memorized skills and math formulas.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Nah, just hamparte.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
The last time art school was extremely exclusive, we had an egomaniac art school reject run roughshod over all of Europe. The price we pay from freedom, peace and prosperity is bad art, which i can live with. But for a real answer, art school seems to filled either with people who genuinely want to be artists (who make good art) or with people who think they "know art" and use it as a vent for their nihilistic youth-spurred cringiness. This is just conjecture and is not meant to demean art students π.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
use it as a vent for their nihilistic youth-spurred cringiness. Tbf as a business school student I couldn't tell if you were referring to business school or art school
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
a lot of canonized art is just nihilistic youth-spurred cringiness, it just stood the test of time, something that one cannot predict
by plockman4 weeks ago
Dude is trying to start WW3.
by Gulgowskijana4 weeks ago
Art is not about skill or skillfull expression of a craft. Art is a defintion of creative work and expression. Some of the most important pieces of art, like Malewitsch' Black Square or Duchamp's Fountain have nothing to do with skillfull expression. I think the biggest misconception people have with art, is that they think, something being art puts it on a pedestal. But thats simply not the case. I think thats the case cause everyone interacts or consums art, but not many people actually know art history. Like i said: It's just a definition.
by Hbechtelar4 weeks ago
I think the biggest misconception is that art has a concrete definition.
by gkautzer4 weeks ago
Theres different ones, but all have one thing in common: It's about creative expression. Theres differences like that art is creating for creating sakes and shouldn't have monetary motivation behind it or Joseph Beuys even said that every creative human expression is to be considered art. In the end it's never about being skillfull in a craft.
by Hbechtelar4 weeks ago
"I'm sorry, you can't take this advance course in calculous, because you've never studied advanced calculous before and aren't already an expert." Isn't learning how to do something the entire point of education?
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
But just out of curiosity, was your girlfriend's art good?
by braulio434 weeks ago
different people express themselves in different ways
by owenveum4 weeks ago
Right... the grass clump girl sounds creative too lol. Besides art school isn't competitive like that. Grass clump girl isn't hindering OP's oil painter in any way
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Honestly grass clump girl might be on to something. I recoiled when I read her project. Made me instantly imagine grass clumps on my own bed. Makes me think throwing grass at someone else's bed might a little fun.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
$60k a year And the mystery is solved before it even began
by Reasonable_Lab17764 weeks ago
Ok the scabs one is VILE
by Schambergerasht4 weeks ago
Basically you're saying that people should be allowed to learn to express themselves, but only if it fits a narrow definition of what you deem to be good enough. I agree, this is an unpopular opinion.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Art isn't about who has the most talent, it's about who can write the best funding application
by Cruickshankelia4 weeks ago
So you just don't like the kind of art they make. There is a market for these kinds of performative art pieces, meaning there are jobs for artists making them.The art school is supposed to be preparing kids to get a job in the arts, not to just make art that you feel like is worthy to be called art. It is like saying that a music school should not teach anyone to make rock or electronic music because it takes more talent to play jazz or classical.
by Schummalyson4 weeks ago
They used to be exclusive. Then we got WW2. UN was created to prevent the outbreak of WW3 and one of the ways to achieve this is to allow crappy art to be alongside oil paintings.
by metzanita4 weeks ago
"Don't you DARE reject a man from Art school ever again, you hear me? For world peace, world peace!"
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
In Austria everyone who grows a moustache is required by law to attend art school, just in case. True story
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
I prefer beans and bucket over WW3
by Prudent-Mark-13644 weeks ago
But does one even appreciate a bucket of beans until ww3?
by Subject_Director4 weeks ago
your actual problems are with the art industry and its $ laundering, and for profit education.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
And a deeply flawed view of what art is and the point of education.
by Lopsided_Sale4 weeks ago
Someone made that mistake before. Never Again!
by TearElectrical4 weeks ago
I get this .
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
I think we could've avoided some major tragedies if we let anyone into art school, idk if any of you are history buffs, but yeah I feel anyone should be let in.
by Laverne204 weeks ago
And this is how we get Hitler
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
NO, LET THE AUSTRIAN MAN PAINT, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD LET HIM PAINT!
by Amazing-Tea4 weeks ago
Last time they tried it didn't end well.
by filibertokeelin4 weeks ago
Hitler was rejected from art school, is that what you want OP, another Hitler? Tis a joke btw, I know what you mean. Can still remember watching three very bright but uncreative Asian students sat together flicking paint at canvass for their final project.
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
I don't want another Hitler dude
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Art school tried being exclusive once, and look how that turned out
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
A certain Austrian painter would vehemently disagree
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
When it comes to those nonsensical abstract stuff, sometimes I think it's more creative writing than actual art. Because they have to use a bunch of abstract concepts, simile and metaphors to explain the meaning behind chaos
by Mspinka4 weeks ago
Inst creative writing art?
by Schummalyson4 weeks ago
"One guy just hung a home depot bucket of coffee beans from the ceiling. That was his whole piece. Another girl would pick scabs off and rub them on printer paper. One other girl just took grass clumps from outside and had people throw them at a bedsheet." those are the 'art school' morons that everyone hates. They think they're 'being deep' and 'avante garde', but they're always just insufferable morons that no one wants to be around. (see also - Yoko Ono)
by Catalina654 weeks ago
Bucket of coffee beans πππ
by CellIcy4 weeks ago
insert Hitler joke here
by WestAdhesiveness36124 weeks ago
The last time art school was more exclusive we got the holocaust.
by jabaricarter4 weeks ago
"Art school should be more exclusive?' I can think of one pretty important reason why it shouldn't.
by ihuel4 weeks ago
it's sad that they will feed the delusions of people who just want to be seen as an artist but actually have no innate talent or the right eye for it. as a musician i saw this at open mic all the time. people just want to be a musician, no real talent for it, tone deaf, no rhythm, just banging on their guitar with no regard for how it actually sounds. but they want it so bad. out of all the open mics i played for years, there were a couple of stand outs, but mostly just irritating noise and people with literally no ability to even know that they are as bad as they are. they all high five each other afterwards. either you have it or you don't, why not focus on something you innately have within yourself? i don't get it!
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
There's other kinds of art besides painting, I'd be intrigued to know what the meaning behind those other pieces were, also art school is exclusive I went to art school for a bit, and there was only a 10% acceptance rate and that's for one of the public ones not to mention the private art schools, which are even harder to get into
by Afraid-Source-60864 weeks ago
Don't worry, you'll all be replaced by generative AI soon anyway
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Im sure you think abstract art is garbage too huh?
by Trick-Card4 weeks ago
Regardless of how talented someone is, there is always a need and enough stupidity to churn out fresh mediocrity π€·π½ββοΈ
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
It's not the price. I went to art school. There was a lot of rich confused untalented students there who wanted an easy degree and their mom and dad forced them to go to art school cause they liked painting their nails. Every class critique I wanted to use their long bedazzled nails to pull my eyeballs out to save myself from ever witnessing the "art" they were making
by Jolly-Ad89904 weeks ago
Why do you need to compare the two? It's OK to not enjoy some of the art and art school seems like the place to get out one's cringiest ideas.
by Emmie604 weeks ago
You have to wonder what ends up happening to some of those art school rejects. Make sure they don't start a world war or something.
by vbeier4 weeks ago
It's because they don't want another Adolf Hitler
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
We aren't talking enough about scab girl.
by Ewillms4 weeks ago
Sorry is there room for another Hitler joke in here?
by vaufderhar4 weeks ago
Probably don't want to refuse anyone and have them go on to become a ruthless dictator that almost takes over the world.
by Carterlibbie4 weeks ago
No school should be expensive. Period.
by SpellZealousideal4 weeks ago
art school $60k a year......! she may be able to get min wage starbucks job after this... kids just think that its so cool to do arts...... most have no talent and will not amount to anything....
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Because rejecting somebody from attending art school has never had a catastrophic consequence that altered the course of human history...
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
There's a big difference between "art"(artistic expression) and "art"(craftsmanship)
by Anonymous4 weeks ago
Because most people in art school have one or two specialties they're actually interested in learning about or developing real skill in, but have to take at least introductory classes in a bunch of others. If you're a photographer but that semester you happen to be in a bunch of design and performance art classes, you have to exhibit something from a current class. So you do the bedsheet thing.
by elinor264 weeks ago
There are a lot of forms of art. I currently go to an art school (it's connected to a public school so it's free but you have to audition) And no one is talented at everything. Maybe they're really good at sculpture and we're forced into an oil painting class. I'm not saying everyone is amazing at art and belongs at an art school but, just because someone sucks at one form of art doesn't mean thy suck at art in total
by Pearltorphy4 weeks ago
If only those art schools in Germany and Italy were so picky............
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