Hybrids are the solution to the problems that EVs are trying to fix. amirite?

Most people drive about 40 miles per day so you'd only need to charge your car about once a week

by Anonymous 1 week ago

That's still a major hassle if you can't charge at home.

by Unlucky-Lavishness 1 week ago

Yeah EVs don't work for people who street park

by kiannanitzsche 1 week ago

Good thing there's no housing affordability crisis in Canada!

by kiannanitzsche 1 week ago

And there's so many available homes too!

by Anonymous 1 week ago

On the other hand if you have a garage and solar panels EVs kinda make sense.

by Few_Needleworker_101 1 week ago

I think the biggest difference between the two leaps in technology is that gas stations are standalone and need nothing more than standard commercial electricity to operate. They in turn service thousands of vehicles throughout the week with scheduled deliveries of fuel. Each customer refuels in minutes. Charging stations require their own infrastructure of electrical supply and have limited service capacity. Unless there's some transportable energy source, like some mega battery of some sort, they can't compete on accessibility. Not everyone can charge at home and those that can't won't be pleased with sitting in a parking lot for hours regardless of the frequency. I'd love for EVs to take off so all the forced discontinuation of ICE vehicles makes sense, but it feels like a solution that creates more problems.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

That would be my main concern, I like not having to sit at a charger for however long it would take to charge. I can just fill up and leave. When batteries get so advanced they can recharge in a minute with no serious degradation, ill be happy to own an ev.

by isanford 1 week ago

Or you can plug it in at home, where it would just be parked anyway, and not even lose that minute at the gas station lol

by Eduardo78 1 week ago

Yeah, it has to make sense for you, but I wouldn't think this would be an issue for any homeowner with a garage. There are adapters to plug those things in at home.

by Powerful_Today_4301 1 week ago

The few people I know who have a home and an EV say it's way more practical than a traditional ICE vehicle. Like charging your phone at the end of the day, you just plug your car in. No more trips to the gas station.

by Jeanne46 1 week ago

If you have a 240v in your garage sure but on a 120v you're only getting about 20 miles of recharge overnight

by Aggressive-Duty 1 week ago

I would kill for a Wawa hoagie. Left Philly for Pdx 22 years ago

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I own my house but still have to park my car on the street in front of the house. It would require thousands of dollars of work to install a charger. That anyone could use because it's on the street. Owning a home isn't always a solution to the problem.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Man, the first thing on my checklist of actually buying a home was to have a garage. Somewhere to park my car at my house, and not leave it curbside to be picked clean by, ummm, let's say the less-than-desirables.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Was on my checklist too, but it was an extra 150k for a garage in my area....

by Anonymous 1 week ago

5000 dollars for that convenient plug🫤 Cost is the problem right now. I mean I guess a good environment is great if you are homeless 💀

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Take a little more than half off that. Tesla home chargers are $450 and installation is $750-1500.

by Inner_Stick 1 week ago

Agreed.. i was going off of old info and the price has gone down

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I spent way way way less than that. I bought a charger on Amazon and installed it myself

by Eduardo78 1 week ago

I am sure it could be DIY yourself for much cheaper. That's a difficult conversation for about 5% of the population.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Turn off the breaker, stick the wire in, run it to the garage, screw the wire into the box. All the people on here talking about how they know how to fix their ice car can't watch a YouTube video on how to turn off the breaker?

by Eduardo78 1 week ago

They should make the batteries easily replaceable, like by the consumer, without having to get under the car. Like how batteries work in cars now, except you pop the hood to replace batteries with charged batteries. This way, you can have extra batteries in your trunk or at home, so instead of having to "charge" you just swap. All without needing a special place or a paid person to do it for you. Y'know, like replacing the batteries in an RC car.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

The real problem is that the carbon payback period compared to ICE vehicles is like 150k miles for most and over 200k for the bigger pick ups and SUVs. And yet these companies get our money for a tech ology not even saving carbon on the net.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Plenty of hybrids have a plug in option.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I drive a Hybrid pickup truck (Ford Maverick) and it is the best vehicle I have ever owned. It is comfortable. It has all the power that I need. I can drive 600 miles on a 14 gallon tank of gas. And I can do truck stuff. I am sold!

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I'm a little upset you can't get the Hybrid power train and AWD.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

After owning a hybrid, I literally don't understand why anyone would want a conventional gas car. Better mileage, better performance, less maintenance, and brakes last forever. I'm still using the original brakes in mine after 100k miles.

by Aggravating-Food 1 week ago

My reasoning is I can perform 99% of maintenance and repairs on my own and I routinely hunt, fish, and build things so the off road capability and bed space of my truck are great to have.

by adaline89 1 week ago

Price. The price is the reason. And after that, is it the prestige behind them. There isn't any. Whereas an audi/mercedes/BMW have the prestige of being nice cars. However that is being slowly overburdened with being seen as a car drove by arseholes who are bad at driving. Until there's a hybrid which is either affordable or looks cool enough, there's better options.

by More_Package_6730 1 week ago

It's honestly not an issue. By law, battery packs are warranted for 8 years or 100k miles. Hybrid batteries are designed to last for the life of the entire vehicle. That said, their are still original Prius vehicles on the road with their original packs still in them. Hybrid batteries rarely die all at once, they just lose capacity slowly over time. If you must replace the hybrid battery, going through the manufacturer can be very expensive, but programs like green bean can replace a hybrid battery for under 2k.

by Aggravating-Food 1 week ago

There aren't "fun" hybrid cars without a hefty price tag.

by Gus99 1 week ago

Hybrids are a good in between until EV technology gets better. They are more efficient than gas vehicles. EVs aren't a perfect solution yet but they are moving in the right direction. Battery technology continues to get better and there is research going into alternative materials to solve the lithium problem. We should continue to do R&D, not just say F it and pretend we can pump oil until the end of time with no consequence.

by Powerful_Today_4301 1 week ago

Agreed, there will be a point where evs are efficient enough to replace ice but it's not at that point yet.

by isanford 1 week ago

Yep battery chemistry keeps advancing but the next big innovation jump will be quick interchangeable batteries or compact fusion reactors.

by Financial-Emu 1 week ago

Compact fusion reactors? When do you really think this will happen? In 500years if ever?

by Sad_Librarian 1 week ago

Me & my wife each have a car, so replacing one of them we can choose to cover some uses. When I had to replace my car I went for nippy little EV with a range of 150 miles. My reasons were: EV gets around ULEZ restrictions the range is easily enough to get around all of the little local journeys, which are less than 20 miles a day. - my feeling is that any hybrid has a lot to go wrong. You have two engines and a system which is supposed to mediate between them. That's a lot of moving parts. When my wife's big old diesel goes, we'll likely replace it with another one - a machine that can carry load of cement or just drive for as long as you can stay awake. Admittedly this approach only works if you have two cars. My point is that the best solution depends on what you do with the machine. If you mostly just drive 5 miles to your nearest train station, but once a month go on big road trips. Why not buy the little tonka toy car for every day, and rent a big beast for when you need it?

by broderick48 1 week ago

That's kinda how my inlaws operate. They've got a Leaf and an old Toyota. We're in Alaska and the EVs tend to not like the super cold weather. So they drive the Leaf for like 9 months a year, with the Toyota getting some work sprinkled in during the summer as well.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Jeez Alaska must be fun! Here in England my battery performance drops by half in the winter. Winter here means the temperature hovers around freezing for a few months, so it's perfectly feasible to turn off the heater. I can see it's a very different proposition where you are. I wonder if it's as bad with aircon in the tropics...

by broderick48 1 week ago

I think owning an ev scooter would be cool for that reason. As for the unreliability, you'd need to find one with a reliable engine, that'll be the weak point. Not saying the e-motor portion can't go wrong, but its a lot less moving parts. Not everyone is comfortable working on engines, but I'm no stranger to it so for me the engine part isn't a deal breaker as long as it doesn't match the unreliability of a horse on rollerblades.

by isanford 1 week ago

Plug in hybrids, but yes.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

My boss owns a plug in hybrid. He says he hasn't bought a tank of gas in 2 months because he only uses it to drop his son to school 15 miles away.

by EquipmentDifficult17 1 week ago

Full hybrid is a much more intelligent technology, plug in hybrids are for people scared of electric.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

A hybrid has two drivelines that can fail and need to be maintained. Compared to an EV you need a combustion engine and a generator extra and all the fluids and exhaust and such. Basically you get all the unknown about maintaining an EV with non of the benefit of not having a combustion engine. For commuting you can drive for years and never charge anywhere but at home and/or at work. The cars can charge at night and during other non-peak demand hours.It's easy to have the grid companies control charging speed to let the grid operate withing limits.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I was mostly referring to a PHEV that goes to a generator that charges a battery that powers the motors. Similar to a GE Dash 9 or even more so Edison motors' prototype logging tractor. One necessary driveline, one for charging the batteries.

by isanford 1 week ago

Good points but I don't know if hybrids are lighter than EVs, At least plug in hybrids aren't. Honda made a PEV and EV version of the Clarity and they weighed the same. The larger battery equaled the weight of the ICE engine

by Anonymous 1 week ago

If you get the higher range EVs, which you need to compete with the range of hybrids, then the car weighs a lot more

by Informal_Issue 1 week ago

Toyota agrees with you.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

So does Ford CEO? And Fiat Chrysler family and Germany

by Confident-Rope2166 1 week ago

A Corolla LE weighs 75lbs less than a Cotolla Hybrid LE. Regular hybrids are fine. The vast majority of Hybrids are non plug in. Which is what we are really talking about here.

by terrenceortiz 1 week ago

We have a hybrid van. Its fantastic. Most days my wife uses no fuel around all.

by No_Experience1084 1 week ago

I drive a hybrid, I think they're nice

by Anonymous 1 week ago

EVs key advantage is that they can be powered by low/zero carbon electricity once power grids transition, making near-carbon free travel a real possibility. Even with current electrical grids, the efficiency is far greater than hybrids. Hybrids are simply a more efficient combustion car, as most typically derive all their energy from fossil fuels, only using electric motors to improve efficiency somewhat. Whilst this is an improvement, it is not sustainable in the longer term. Plug in hybrids and range extended electrics are a better interim solution for some people IMO as they can at least be entirely powered by electricity for short journeys (which is the majority of miles driven). Electric cars being significantly heavier is a bit of a misconception - compare like for like and in most cases the weights are comparable to the combustion equivalent.

by Affectionate_War5044 1 week ago

Wait until this guy hears about how electricity is made or how much carbon emission is involved in producing the electricity your car needs. Reeeeeal green

by Walterwilford 1 week ago

Think you missed the bit where I said "when the grids transition" Regardless, in my country almost 50% is zero carbon and growing every year. Even powered by the dirtiest power grids, EVs have a lower lifetime carbon impact. Feel free to do some research.

by Affectionate_War5044 1 week ago

Even on a coal grid EVs produce fewer emissions. It's simply a more efficient engine

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Depends a lot on where you live

by dibbertsabryna 1 week ago

You do know that you need electricity for gas as well right? There will be no gas, no gas stations etc without electricity.

by Sad_Librarian 1 week ago

I love my hybrid. I love 40 mpg as well

by True_Assumption 1 week ago

Most people don't drive enough that the difference between an EV and hybrid will matter. Most of the cons you list apply to all heavy vehicles, and the difference in damage between an EV and standard vehicle is nothing compared to that standard vehicle and even your old truck. There's nothing wrong with hybrids, but their real time to shine was the last 10 years in urban areas and now in rural areas, if you live in a city and have a garage, you're better off getting the EV.

by Rodgerfeeney 1 week ago

I'll still have to buy overpriced gas with a hybrid. I'd rather just pay for the electricity and not have to worry about the gas station anymore.

by FirstDependent 1 week ago

For most Americans who charge at home, the daily commute with a plug in hybrid will never require gas. That's why hybrids conform so well to standard driving patterns.

by Interesting_Ask6130 1 week ago

The solution is to keep using gas and focus on improving the technology. Once the technology is there, then you can force people to buy EV's, but until the technology is there, you're just turning people off.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I have a hybrid and it's super sweet and the gas mileage is really good. Been happy with it!

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I don't think this all that unpopular. Another huge issue with EVs is that eventually those batteries need to be replaced. Typically around the 10 year mark. And those batteries are so damned expensive to replace that you end up with a car that nobody wants so it gets thrown away thus eliminating any potential environmental upside an EV might provide.

by Unusual_Raccoon 1 week ago

Not true. Batteries are already known to last longer than the car itself and they are still improving. You can buy different EVs of which the batteries are designed to last at least 1.6 million kilometers today.

by Sad_Librarian 1 week ago

I just want a Vespa.

by Frieda00 1 week ago

They're so cool. I love them.

by Frieda00 1 week ago

1) we added 1,000,000 EVs to the grid last year and it was fine. EVs are even causing the price of electricity to go down. If the grid needs upgrading, then upgrade it. 2) hybrids are really inefficient. You are basically driving in 2 cars at once. 3) EVs are cleaner for the environment than either a hybrid or ICE vehicle. 4) EVs are more efficient. More energy produced by an EV is actually used for the propulsion of the vehicle than any other type of vehicle.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I think op means hybrids are a good.bridge til EVs are as convenient as ICE vehicles.

by WarthogDue 1 week ago

I think a big part of the problem is that no everyone has easy access to charging at home / at work. I could technically charge at work, but I'm only in the office two days a week. I live in a condo with no EV charging, and there arent a ton of fast chargers in my area, so I'd be screwed if I needed to charge up between trips to the office. Until there is infrastructure to charge at my home and/or more availability for charging on the go, they're nowhere near as convenient as gas cars for me.

by Klutzy_Orange8558 1 week ago

That's where I'm at. There's nowhere to charge at my office or my apartment, and I'm not going to buy an EV just to be 100% at the mercy of public chargers. Maybe once I buy a house I'll reconsider.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

1) if the grid needs upgrading then you upgrade it. If you're a business and you need more servers, you don't turn away business instead. 3) even if you factor in the mining EVs are cleaner. Every vehicle has indirect emissions. EVs don't have direct and over the lifecycle of the car EV eventually is cleaner.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Serious question, Ive always wondered about the mining stuff. What is the lifecycle length needed to breakeven?

by Working_Storage4127 1 week ago

Depends on the car but it's somewhere between 15k miles - 20k miles.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I'm curious about how and where electricity actually went down in price as a result of increased EV usage.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

It's really most noticeable in California where EV adoption is most pronounced. But this is what happens. Electricity is a highly regulated industry. In a lot of areas they have peak demand pricing. Basically, you pay more during working hours. People who are charging from home are charging during the lower priced period, over night. Since there is so much more demand during down periods, electric companies are making more money. Since the industry is highly regulated, they can't just pocket the profits. Thus, it's being returned to consumers with lower costs.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

There isn't enough lithium on Earth to replace every car with an EV.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Not accurate. There's almost enough lithium in the Salton Sea to do it.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

That is not true and batteries are starting to be made with more abundant materials. BYD is producing cars with batteries that are not lithium based.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Lithium in seawater is not recoverable but is counted in global lithium stocks. Mineable lithium cannot supply enough to transition completely.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

And we suck at recycling batteries. Yeah, that's the core problem really. Other than that, widespread adoption of EVs even solve problems we generally didn't expect to ever solve, like the hearing damage everyone who lives in a city experiences (which is dominantly caused by vehicles). But the lack of lithium is huge.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I watch battery technology like a hawk. They are always saying "We made a super mega efficient battery using sand and dreams!" And I hope one day they actually make it to full production. One was just carbon and some other abundant element and the draw was we could use existing manufacturers to throw them together. That was years ago and my super cool batteries haven't arrived yet, so who knows. Fission cars like the ones in Fallout is what we need.

by Trystanklein 1 week ago

Fission cars like the ones in Fallout is what we need. Two words. Fission NASCAR :-P Oh look at those little mushroom clouds!

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Imagine how carefully people would drive! You wouldn't need a 20 mph limit, no one would go over 5.

by Trystanklein 1 week ago

As someone who rented an EV for vacation, finding a charging station was sometimes my biggest hassle

by Anonymous 1 week ago

They are taking over right now because they are cheaper while allowing you to still use gas

by Darekristopher 1 week ago

Plug-in hybrids are even better. A Prius Prime can go 50-60 miles on battery alone, which is more than enough for most commutes.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Not to mention in cold climates electric vehicles have a shorter battery life.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Trains and public transit are the solution to the problem that all cars are trying to fix.

by Better-Cheek8112 1 week ago

Unless you wanna go somewhere without a station, take anything significant with you, want to not be beholdent to somebody else's schedule, want to go somewhere urgently or out of hours, you happen to live outside an urban area or simply don't want to be in an enclosed space with the general public

by Anonymous 1 week ago

You sound like a car salesman. A robust transit network is more comfortable, more freeing, safer, more efficient, and less of a waste of time. Why on earth should I watch the road, when I can plan ahead and read, watch movies, or have dinner on a train? Why should I deal with the stress of traffic when I could instead sit and talk with my wife without being a menace to society? It sounds like you just have no real planning skills, not being able to work on a schedule. As far as out of hours, not every country is so poor as America that they cannot have reliable systems and services for their people. Large and bulky goods need a truck-many companies have those available to rent if you cannot afford or are too weak to use a cargo cycle.

by Better-Cheek8112 1 week ago

I mean, that sounds like an issue of a bad public transport network, just like saying „what if you want to drive somewhere without a road?". Just because there are currently more places with roads than with stations, that doesn‘t mean that‘s the best way of designing infrastructure.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

You're close, hybrids, and even more so PHEVs, are a step towards the ideal end result of full EVs. I say this as a PHEV owner. If the charging infrastructure was as good as the gasoline distribution network I'd be in an EV already.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

You don't know enough to have a meaningful opinion.

by Busy_Brilliant 1 week ago

the energy to charge the batteries is still produced at power plants that are likely to be burning coal or something else that produces harmful emissions Even if you account for the contribution of coal and other fossil fuels to the energy an EV uses, they still have less than half the lifecycle carbon footprint of ICE vehicles. when you consider the manufacturing process for EVs, they actually have a higher environmental footprint than traditional internal combustion vehicles No, they don't. Even if you account for manufacturing, EVs still have a lower environmental impact than ICE vehicles.

by Even_Bandicoot 1 week ago

I have a hybrid and get about 400 miles for about 12 gallons of gas it's the best

by DinnerAggravating 1 week ago

Marques Brownlee… that you?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

More specifically hydrogen fuel

by Anonymous 1 week ago

The real solution to the problem is neither EVs nor hybrids, it's public transportation. In reality we need a very small fleet of private vehicles to move around in places where public transportation is truly not an option. However that would not result in record profits for the almighty automotive industry, and we've been brainwashed enough for almost a century now to not even consider this as an option.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Objectively correct opinion.

by HugeRevolution6597 1 week ago

Hybrids >>>>>>>>> EVs

by Muellerardella 1 week ago

This is literal common sense

by Confident-Rope2166 1 week ago

It takes 6 years to earn back the extra cost in gas savings

by deckowcatherine 1 week ago

I believe diesel is the answer, my dad's 3.0 6 cyl big diesel SUV gets almost the same mileage as my very small 1.4 petrol hatchback. My dad's big petrol hybrid SUV gets almost the same mileage as them too. The diesel is bigger than the hatchback and simpler than the hibrid, it does everything better

by Evalyn43 1 week ago

I think diesel hybrid is the answer, even for semis and other heavy duty vehicles. Electric Motors make a huge amount of torque right away and can power tools when the vehicle is off.

by isanford 1 week ago

I agree. Diesel hybrids are simply the best at balancing all of the needs anyone could have with the vehicle while still prioritizing efficiency. I think EVs will catch on for pure city use but i doubt theyll ever grab much of the freight or rural markets for obv reasons. They arent practical for less than ideal conditions or for continuous use.

by No_Manufacturer5578 1 week ago

There was a carburetor invented in the 1930s by a guy named Charles Pogue that allows for 200 miles per gallon.

by New-Examination-1802 1 week ago

U.S. patent # 2,026,798

by New-Examination-1802 1 week ago

Yes, that's a patent number. Lots of things that don't work get patents. There is no need to demonstrate results to get a patent on an idea. Pogue didn't build a 200mpg carburetor, he filed a patent for an idea and claimed without evidence that it would give that result.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

No, they won't. If vapor carbs did what they say, every car company would kill to implement them. Nobody is assassinating Toyota execs for making 50mpg hybrids, nor would they if you built a vapor carb.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Cool video. Show me a demonstration that the vapor carb giving any reasonably normal car even half the claimed mpg. You won't.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Are you 14?

by New-Examination-1802 1 week ago

He was also never able to demonstrate that claim.

by Even_Bandicoot 1 week ago

It sounds like you work for Toyota.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Lol, if they want to pay me to be a spokesman, they just gotta ask!

by isanford 1 week ago

we just can't do it yet That would be a problem if we were realistically expecting the world to swap tonight. As it is, it's being contradictory for the sake of it.

by oren58 1 week ago

I am a stubborn person, and I love my cars far too much to want EVs to succeed. If they weren't also taking out the ICE market, I wouldn't care at all, but the success of EVs means the death of ICE almost entirely. It's a sad time to love cars because we are going from an era of fun and unbelievable ICE engines to silent and stale EVs. I'm sure as they get more and more popular, they will get a little better, hyundai has the ioniq 5 N which is at least a cool attempt for a enthusiast EV and the Taycan is a gorgeous car. The biggest issue for me personally is the lack of any appealing sound whatsoever, and I will push off getting an EV as long as I financially can.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Most hybrid cars are boring. Unless you're in the higher segment all of them target fuel consumption and nothing else. Driving experience is dead last of the priorities. With gas cars you can still have a lot of fun for relatively little money.

by Gus99 1 week ago