Being anti-establishment is not automatically good, amirite?

"Government bad medias bad. The exact complete opposite of every single thing the medias say must be the truth." - Enlightened conspiracy theorist Anon

by Fun_Department_372 1 week ago

That's a pretty anti-establishment take on The Anti-Establishment. It's like Meta-Anti-Establishment

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Antidisestablishmentarianists are crazy and I love them.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

No, it's just an establishment take

by Macihartmann 1 week ago

Anti-establishment with no other strong beliefs attached leads to brainrot

by Beautiful_File297 1 week ago

afaik, being anti-establishment doesn't necessarily equal having an alternative.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

This is where almost every revolution failed. They got the overthrowing part...but couldn't actually make a better government.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I dont know, I didn't think I get this far

by Then-Opening-6254 1 week ago

Historically, revolutions solely committed by the people always failed. The ones that succeeded were the ones that were allowed by the people in power when they didn't like their leaders and wanted them replaced. They were allowed to happen. It's why you hear about so many coups where the revolutionary leader becomes an even worse brutal dictator than the person he replaced.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Yeah revolutions only happen if the army lets it happen

by Cold_Mud308 1 week ago

Not always, but for the overwhelming majority of majorities they have.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

This literally had absolutely nothing to do with why revolutions failed, even though not all of them did? What?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Politics like that revolve around quippy and convenient answers for things. Things like the October Revolution didn't fail because "they couldn't make something better".

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I mean, thats extremely reductive lol

by Anonymous 1 week ago

This is why anarchists never succeed in life.

by Olenwalker 1 week ago

Lol, what are you talking about? Success is relative anyway.

by Macihartmann 1 week ago

And why antichrists always die.

by Different_Resist 1 week ago

I have a feeling you definitely do not know anything about anarchism

by Anonymous 1 week ago

This you?

by DearVast9977 1 week ago

Are you... actually using South Park to try and make a point? I'm not even a hippie 💀

by Anonymous 1 week ago

You may not be a hippie but anarchists definitely have views that are equally stupid. Well, stupid is probably the wrong word. Naïve might be more fitting.

by DearVast9977 1 week ago

The current establishment will always try to perpetuate its own existence. It takes effort to keep it running, but it takes even more effort to change it. Every system is flawed, and we need to strive to always improve it. So, I would say being anti-establishment is always good. When it comes to alternatives to the current establishment, you are correct that they are not all automatically good. That is an obvious conclusion. Trying to change the status quo is always good, but you need to also propose a better plan.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Hot take: when the anti-establishment views later become the establishment, is it better to be anti-establishment? 🤔

by Anonymous 1 week ago

That made me think of when Ozzy Osbourne's crazy train was used in a commercial to sell a six figure SUV.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Thank you for the brave and unpopular opinion that terrorism bad.

by wilfredo96 1 week ago

😂

by Different_Resist 1 week ago

I mean - the establishment is a largely evolving and iterative process. Whatever we have is "good" didn't happen overnight. "Not perfect" is better than nothing, which is what most "anti-establishment" have as an alternative approach.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I think he's trying to say just because you are currently anti establishment, doesn't mean that your system will be any better. If you even have a solution. Most people just complain.

by Corkeryjaron 1 week ago

You don't need to be a professional pizza maker to know when a pizza was left in the oven for an extra four hours and dunked in the mop bucket before they served it to you. You can acknowledge the failures of a government and want a different one without knowing exactly what the solution is.

by Electronic_Manager63 1 week ago

Except it's not the employee's choice, or even the manager's. It's the shareholders that bought out the pizzeria. They make the decisions. Until it's taken back and returned to its original purpose of serving the customer, there's no point.

by Electronic_Manager63 1 week ago

Then everyone eats at No Mop Water Pizzeria

by Anonymous 1 week ago

this analogy doesn't work lmfao if i saw that pizza i would have the solution

by ShelterGreen6709 1 week ago

Hot take: ISIS, pretty bad fellas

by Anonymous 1 week ago

nobody thinks being anti-establishment is inherently good for the exact reason you gave having a positive reaction to the term "anti-establishment" is okay because of the context in which it is typically used

by ShelterGreen6709 1 week ago

Green Day only accidentally got lucky with American Idiot.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I think getting elected president and controlling all three branches of government is a pretty reasonable standard for being considered "the establishment."

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Supreme Court was 5/4 after Trump and I'm pretty certain congress never became republicano majority. He had the senate that's it

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Not to mention that establishment Republican does not equal MAGA.

by ZookeepergameSad 1 week ago

So youre an antidisestablishmentarianist.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Buzzwords.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

… Huh? What specifically?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Not everyone wants to replace it with themselves, I just want politicians to not be making millions while in office from corporations

by Difficult-Acadia 1 week ago

Today it does, name one single instituion with a shred of integrity. I'll wait.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

It depends on the establishment.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

You're pretty antidisestablishmentarianist it seems

by More-Tie-1227 1 week ago

I think the only thing that can automatically be good about being antiestablishment is that an alternative is presented. So, good luck with that

by Fresh-Helicopter 1 week ago

That's why you're supposed to question authority, not blindly oppose it.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

This is the polar opposite of an unpopular opinion

by Macihartmann 1 week ago

I'd be terrible leader. I'd like benevolent AI overlord tho...

by gratke 1 week ago

Thats why "anti-establishment" is dumb and meaningless, literally every non-"establishment" is anti-establishment. Someone who has the exact same beliefs but wants to be in charge would be "anti-establishment".

by Anonymous 1 week ago

The same could be said for the other side - being establishment positive is not always inherently evil.

by Different_Resist 1 week ago

I've had this aurgument a lot in punk circles. A lot of people think punk is just anti whatever the mainstream astonishment is. But I don't believe that. I think punk is inherently left wing in nature and about fighting for whats right. We only rail against the mainstream because the main stream happens to be wrong. But if they goverment was left wing it wouldn't suddenly be punk to be conservative. If 99% of the population becomes trans allies it isn't suddenly punk to be a transphobe bigot. Defining it as just "against whatever the mainstream believes" is a profoundly stupid way of doing it. Punk is about a specific set of values and political beliefs regaurdless of what the mainstream believes. Its only so opposed to the establishment because the establishment in this timeline happens to suck and be wrong about almost everything. But that's not an inherent quality of the establishment, its more of a coincidence than anything.

by rberge 1 week ago

Did someone claim that it was?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

It's almost always bad actually. There's a reason things become establishment in the first place.

by Sea-Bid-1447 1 week ago

Nor does it make you smart to automatically distrust the institutions that we rely on.

by Gold_Damage_8163 1 week ago

Automatically? They've been earning it every year for the past few hundred

by Anonymous 1 week ago