The "no kid left behind" act is stupid asf, amirite?

pretty sure that's a pretty popular opinion

by Flaky-Juice-5646 1 week ago

Its a popular opinion in the abstract. In reality, the reason kids are being pushed ahead is because parents will raise hell if you try to discipline them or give them bad grades. See, they think "other peoples kids" who are problems and are not doing well should be held back and punished, but when its THEIR kid, then the school has failed them.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Kids are being pushed ahead because we have mountains of evidence that they'll probably eventually catch up to the lower average of their peers, but if you hold them back they will give up on school forever and likely develop behavioral problems.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

So popular that the act doesn't actually exist anymore :p Although similar ones have been passed that do basically the same thing.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I wish was. Unfortunately this happens to a lot of kids, especially where I am. The people in power don't listen to us when we explain to them why it is being abused and how to fix it

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Idiots in government doing something against the wishes of the masses does not make something unpopular. Extremely popular opinion

by UsualDisk9300 1 week ago

Because fixing it costs money nobody wants to spend.

by Tyresejerde 1 week ago

If popular opinion decided policies and laws..the world would be a much crazier place

by Common-Cricket 1 week ago

Florida times a thousand.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I think No Child Left Behind was originally intended to be "we'll provide more resources to help kids falling behind". But having a mandate to not leave kids behind, combined with cutting resources, lead to "keep passing them until they graduate and aren't our problem anymore".

by Tyresejerde 1 week ago

Exactly this. While it's obvious that the implementation has failed miserably, the ideas behind it were good ones.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

But, you don't understand it make people feel better!

by SelfWarm5360 1 week ago

Yk what else also makes ppl feel better? Not being 4yrs behind your peers and not graduating 189/193 lmao

by Anonymous 1 week ago

With the way grade and degree Inflatiron are going they won't even need to know the difference between a square and a rectangle to get a BS degree. Everything is going as planned. Look more people have degrees isn't that a good thing!? I was a TA for a chemistry prof and they even made a dumbed down chemistry course foe people in the nursing program because they couldn't pass chemistry 1. I had a student doing an experiment trying to find density. I gave them the equation D= M/V. She had the mas and volume written down, in the equation. I told her now just solve the equation. She looked at me like I was nuts and sad "how am I supposed to know how to do that!?!?!?"

by Rippinluz 1 week ago

Look i can understand the issue a bit from your side, did the person have discalculi or problems reading and writing ? Cause that is the only way i see personally, someone having trouble with that particular operation. Good lord

by Practical-Walk-4000 1 week ago

It makes people feel better that have nothing to do with the problem they don't solve.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

My boyfriend and i were just discussing this the other day. Parents need to be doing more to get their kids to where they need to be, and if getting extra help or staying back is what they need then so be it. The kids that are like that tend to have parents that expect the school to teach their kid EVERYTHING and then not lift a finger at home to help their education

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Exactly. Parents need to be held more accountable. Especially when there ARE FREE programs available for kids (at least in my school) which they seem to reuse to use bc of being lazy or just not caring. Your kids are going to need your help eventually. I understand that AP Clac isn't an most parents can do, but basic things should be encouraged such as studying or tutoring when when they cannot help

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Ding ding ding. Parents have forgotten that they have at least a 50% responsibility to make sure their kid is ready to do school. Parents that make sure their kids know the basics, knows how to behave, knows how to sit and listen, knows how to learn. Schools are not day care facilities. Parents have forgotten it.

by External-Ad 1 week ago

Make that 100%. Once your children are in school, some responsibility is on the school. Before that? 100% on the parents.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

It might not seem like a lot but that is huge in effect. A lot of parents won't do that. Good on you

by Anonymous 1 week ago

People who can not take the time to be involved in their kids school are often living in poverty, work obscene hours and lack the education themselves to help their kids.

by Monroesteuber 1 week ago

Show me a parent who "doesn't have time" to prepare their kids for school, and I'll show you a parent with several hours of average daily screen time. Parents make lazy choices all. the. time.

by Mysterious_Ad4751 1 week ago

People are giving up. Losing hope in record numbers. I see the effects of it every day, and I can't say I blame them.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

extremely short-sighted take. who's training all these parents? surely wasn't our parents.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I think part of the issue is often the parents' education is the same as the now children's education. Difficult or impossible to teach what you don't know, let alone know what your child is missing if you, yourself have the same or worse level of education. Not even including when the parents have to work ridiculous hours just to make ends meet. Is this every case? No. Is it a significant portion? Absolutely.

by Resident-School 1 week ago

In fairness, a lot of it isn't even being able to help with homework. It's discipline more than anything else.

by Tyresejerde 1 week ago

I don't even mean limited to homework. If you don't know that a class is lacking, that your child's skills are lacking, that a teacher's teaching method is lacking, that the opportunities provided by the school are lacking, because you, yourself had the same lack in education, how do you fix that? You never had the opportunity to take a music course, how could you know how important it can be? You never had geometry, how could you know how important that can be? Then add on the normal pressures of being an adult, let alone a parent…. Though not being able to aid in homework (or teaching ineffective/incorrect methods) can absolutely harm a child's learning. Also having to work two jobs to maybe keep a roof over your child's head, let alone eat can also be the cause of not aiding with homework. There are so many factors that go into this.

by Resident-School 1 week ago

Yeah, that makes sense. If you're barely able to take care of the basics on the hierarchy of needs, you probably won't have the time or energy for anything further up the scale.

by Tyresejerde 1 week ago

Yeah. A few generations of treating stupidity like a cardinal virtue can have that effect on a society.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

because they were likely latchkey kids like me who have no such skills because I learned everything I know from the 11 public schools i was in and out of. very few parents have the tools to teach their kids at home and that's assuming they have time to do anything of the sort in this economy. better schools are the only answer but literally no one has wanted to give them a dime since the 1970's. this is literally the best we can do. appreciate what there is, there is zero chance of it ever improving.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Our head start program around where I am is pretty good. More of a daycare w learning components but still better the NCLB

by Anonymous 1 week ago

What you're describing is social promotion and has nothing to do with the No Child Left Behind act. No child left behind essentially required a series of very basic standardized tests that enough students had to pass for the school to continue to receive federal funding. The idea was that schools couldn't keep failing to educate students just because they were hard to teach. For students to fail the standardized tests they would have to be multiple years behind grade level which was only possible though social promotion. Therefore you could argue that kids that were socially promoted could be seen as being left behind in the context of this bill.

by Ylakin 1 week ago

The NCLB lowers standard for students which isn't helping them. Instead of realizing a 11th grader is preforming on a 9th grade lvl, they're lowing the standards to pass ppl though instead of giving real tutoring/support. Looks better on paper but no reality. If the standards/original purpose of the bill was upheld by schools, educators, and parents, this wouldn't be an issue, but it's being abused.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

You need to read the bill because it does no such thing. It just required schools to perform at an extremely basic level to continue to receive federal funding.

by Ylakin 1 week ago

Kids being behind and pushed through isn't the letter of the law on NCLB, it's the ‘solution' schools have come up with to comply without either getting a penalty or actually making changes The law has nothing to do with requiring 100% graduation or not allowing kids to be held back, it ties funding to basic standards being met and it's far easier too cook the books and have ‘mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell' seared into kids brains rather than have them meet standards while being well rounded The law was designed to prevent high schools from turning into those online diploma mills like ITT Tech is for college, it just doesn't have a good enforcement mechanism

by ambrosekunde 1 week ago

You don't know what you're talking about. You're using NCLB as a catch-all for a general vibe you have about the educational system despite clearly knowing nothing about NCLB.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

The act did some things to extend services to students with disabilities that I like. That aside, to hell with it. It basically left no kid behind by screwing over everyone else who wanted to use schools properly, for educational purposes.

by No-Cheek 1 week ago

Technically a square is a type of rectangle, so in a way they're correct there haha. But yeah I agree, it's an unfortunate policy that should be changed.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

They're types of parallelograms

by Common-Cricket 1 week ago

Ya sorry, my intent wasn't to go back and forth on it

by Common-Cricket 1 week ago

No worries I do the same thing haha. Have a good one!

by Anonymous 1 week ago

The whole not failing or holding someone back has absolutely crushed discipline in schools as well as a lot of the "try hard" attitudes. It sucks

by Jkling 1 week ago

Not unpopular and also not original.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Do you know how many educators agree with this "unpopular opinion"?!

by Ok-Animator 1 week ago

Bush did 9/11

by Anonymous 1 week ago

He didn't , but he did pass No Child Left Behind

by Available_General 1 week ago

I think high school should be "many people left behind". Since high school is almost a joke to pass, it makes having a high school diploma almost useless. If however there was a 20-40 percent failure rate for high school, you would then increase the value of the diploma and it would mean something. I think this would allow many to go straight into the work force without attending college because their high school degree acts as a certificate of competency. The downside of this is that 20-40 percent of the population would loose out on education. Maybe I am a little bit of a cynic, but I don't think most of those people are benefiting from being in school.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

100 percent. I think we have went too far with compassion in many areas, because when everyone wins, winning is pointless. Gates and exclusivity are important to maintain so long as they are merit based.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Seriously. It isn't even education. Like, a couple decades ago, society was FAR too comfortable telling people who were down on their luck that they made their choices and didn't deserve help. Now? Now society is FAR too comfortable basically dumping endless hand holding and resources on exactly the sort of person those efforts are always entirely lost on (having or making problems for others to fix for them is their whole lifestyle), while telling people who also need small amounts of support that they aren't as needy as the first group so they should be grateful and they don't need any aid.

by No-Cheek 1 week ago

I agree. A lot of the gates in place were elitist structures meant to keep ‘the right ones' in and ‘the wrong ones' out. That didn't mean that people for the most part didn't need to be held accountable for their dysfunctional behaviors, and it certainly didn't mean that the concept of meritocracy as a whole needed scrapped. Now that I have the job, I asked her for my weekly schedule (because she was very unorganized and sporadic about it our first week) and she offers me 9 hours for the entire week. 3 days of work, 2 of those shifts are less than 3 hours.

by No-Cheek 1 week ago

If there's one thing I've learned about American society, and maybe western society, it's that we tend to over correct on social issues pretty much all the time.

by Tyresejerde 1 week ago

Imagine having that realization and having children who will have to deal with that.

by Tyresejerde 1 week ago

I keep hearing this, but trust me, as someone with kids who has also worked for a public housing agency, this isn't true at all. Do you get some free stuff for having kids? Sure. But if you actually care about them, what you get from the government is like someone giving you five dollars to spend twenty.

by Tyresejerde 1 week ago

Well, yeah. You still have the massive liability of having a kid, which is why I'd say "not thinking." But compared to needy people who didn't go out and cause their problems like that, they definitely get the lion's share. The system does penalize people for not making babies like a dumb dumb. I'm saying that as someone who had the floor drop out on me, and didn't have the prerequiste kid to qualify for anything.

by No-Cheek 1 week ago

And it's not the kids' fault. Kids know when they're being pitied.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Exactly. It's an achievement not a participation trophy.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I agree at least in part. High school should differentiate from the cans and the cannots. However they should have a special Ed program so that the cannots are able to maintain a bare minimum. So really the No Child Left Behind policy would actually be a good thing if they had implemented it correctly. As it is I remember it took a half hour of work to write a paper worth 32/35 and maybe 2-3 hours to get 35. There is little to no differentiation at that point because all the distribution is focused on the slow kids. That shouldn't happen in a non special Ed class

by Anonymous 1 week ago

My highschool in Canada, kids that failed out were put into the local trades school. It's actually seemed really helpful…

by AlertComfort3312 1 week ago

But... but... but... equal outcomes for everyone!!!

by East-Wasabi-709 1 week ago

This is the root of most things wring with society right now.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Literally anyone who has taught a class will agree with this.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Correkt

by Jkling 1 week ago

Ok not all people with IEP are struggling intellectually, I have one, it was for my extreme anxiety with deadlines and struggle with impulse control due to my adhd. And I was in exelerated classes But I do totally agree with you that our special education system is awful and needs more funding and teachers should be taught ways to deal with kids with disabilites. my brother really struggled in his elementary years and he had a lot of supports because my parents tried really hard to get that for him. The average family wouldn't be able to do that. It was partly because my dad worked at the SELPA. there are facilities besides the actual schools that give suppport. And disabled people are worthy of a education we just need more supportive people to help. this is not on the parrents though.

by Low_Traffic 1 week ago

You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what this system is but I will also say that I've had my own issues with it The problem is with the system is that they effectively force everyone to be on the same academic level and this is great for the slower kids who are basically given a chance to catch up but it can be frustrating to the normal or advancing kids who now feel like they're basically being held back by the few dumb kids in the class Not only can this have the potential to hamper a lot of intelligent children but it can also unnecessarily end up causing them to bully or hate the dumber kids because they view them as literally holding them back

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I can't speak for anywhere else, but where I am, exceptional kids can go to selective enrollment schools.

by Tyresejerde 1 week ago

My mum works at a school and was talking about a kid in year 6 (around 11-12 years old) who has a concerning lack of reading skill. Like only being able to read words like "cat" type of concerning Problem is he's so far behind that's it's basically impossible to catch him up to speed. Also he doesn't have any learning disabilities or anything. His parents just don't make the effort to send him to school.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

This might sound bad, but that kid needs to be expelled and forced to go to an alternative school. All he's doing now is holding back all the other kids in whatever room he's in.

by Tyresejerde 1 week ago

ah yeah the "everyone equally left behind" act

by Free_Net4203 1 week ago

The average adult in the USA has an 8th grade reading level.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Omg it's so stupid I am actually trying to graduate early so I don't have to deal with that bs.

by ijerde 1 week ago

Yep

by Anonymous 1 week ago

omg I see myself in this fr

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Agreed. I also wouldn't have worked as hard and studied if I didn't have the threat of being held back to light a fire under my ass

by One-Ebb-6937 1 week ago

I feel like this is a pretty well established opinion.

by Langoshford 1 week ago

I mean a square IS a rectangle, just not the other way around. XD On a serious note though, this was the policy when I was in school. Because of it, class had to HALT multiple times a day to review basic information. Biology (we are made of cells), Math (PEMDAS), Social Studies (America is a democracy), etc. This was in NINTH grade. We also had this horrible thing called E-OP. (Educational Opportunity) in which we sat in the cafeteria to study or work on homework if you were doing poorly in a class. If you weren't? You'd be yelled at for asking someone for a pencil. I got detention for drawing instead of studying. I had straight A's. I was fine. I don't know. Catering to the least common denominator definitely hurt my education.

by werner37 1 week ago

I was in the No Child Left Behind Act era in grade school. I dreaded standardized tests like you can't even imagine.

by Massive_Reindeer 1 week ago

Equality is false god.

by lila46 1 week ago

It was written with school textbook written investors in mind.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

What is the 'no kid left behind act'?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

No kid left behind act hasn't been in practice since 2015

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Intellectually capable people are in society's best interests, but decidedly against the best interests of the assholes running the joint. The college scam is starting to collapse. Cabinet installers are making more money than attorneys. And are a lot more chill to drink with.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Yeah but a square is a rectangle

by DifferenceMindless 1 week ago

Is this the law that requires "mainstreaming" kids that cant manage being in a classroom without a handler? At my kids highschool, there is this kid that humps and tongues poles and bannisters in the lunchroom. His handler just plays on her phons.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Wait a square and rectangle aren't the same thing?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

George Carlin said it!

by Anonymous 1 week ago

What do you do with these kids as they grow up though? IQ 85 and below is still a good amount of the population

by apowlowski 1 week ago

You mean the ESSA? Cause NCLB isn't a thing anymore :)

by Anonymous 1 week ago

The thing is most kids have such potential to be so smart it just has to be fostered and really driven into them so young. We are limiting their potential and dumbing them down through the way public schools are set up now. Sad.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

No child left behind was designed to destroy public schools and any faith in public education while shifting all the funds to private and religious organizations.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Very much agree although it seems in 2015 they've basically gutted it. Although it's still too present

by Anonymous 1 week ago

My impression of No Child left Behind act was to help any child regardless of if they have a disability or not. This was to protect slow learners who are not covered by IDEA so they can get the education they need and not fail their class or grades because they were slow. This was to help them graduate as well than be school drop outs because they were unable to keep up and then they struggle with unemployment due to not competing high school. So yeah, why is this an issue here?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

This is the most popular opinion in regards to American education

by Anonymous 1 week ago

A square and a rectangle are the same thing, when considering a square. All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are square my man.

by External-Ad 1 week ago

Dawg you are one of the kids I'm talking abt.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

No, he's right. All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. You learn this in like second grade

by Low_Traffic 1 week ago

No it's saying all dogs are mammals but not all mammals are dogs

by Anonymous 1 week ago

A more accurate comparison would be to say that all tortoises are turtles, but not all turtles are tortoises.

by Tyresejerde 1 week ago

OP was the child not left behind

by Anonymous 1 week ago

A square is, by definition, a type of rectangle. This argument is hilarious to watch. A rectangle is any shape with 4 sides and 4 right angles; a square is a rectangle where all of the sides are the same length.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

That was the popular opinion when the legislation passed.

by Adorable-Dare3872 1 week ago

Then how'd it pass?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Republicans

by Adorable-Dare3872 1 week ago

That doesn't really help explain it… what was their reasonings for it?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Bro ppl need to start listening to others istg. If ppl are saying ur wrong, ur prolly wrong. Especially bc politicians aren't teachers.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

No student left behind was effectively repealed in 2015 and replaced with every student succeeds. Also basically none of what you're complaining about has much of anything to do with either act.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Once you realize it was a conservative policy, and you know what else they're doing to try to destroy public education, you realize in hindsight how much it was obviously a poisoned chalice

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I mean, while parental accountability is of course always desirable, we live in a world where, sadly, a public school system that wants educated kids can't always bet on parents. To me the bigger issue is that it hamstrung public schools from using reasonable tools already at their disposal.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

If we are being honest politicians have been writing speeches at a 8th grade level far before "no kid left behind" The other issue is we (as a society) continually take funding away from areas that need more attention. Therefore folding these kids back into the mix

by Anonymous 1 week ago

This is the same complaint people have of equity+diversity hires. In fact, Kristian Stewart said the same thing about Hollywood "there are four female directors and producers"

by InvestigatorAfraid55 1 week ago

Isn't providing extra help to the kids who need it kind of the entire point of the No Child Left Behind Act...?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

No, basically passing kids who should be failing. The support promised is absent combined w grade inflation.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I think you should read up on it because you're horribly misinformed.

by Ylakin 1 week ago

Dawg I'm witnessing this IRL as I go through HS. I'm from a poor public school who qualifies for a lot of free govt assistance w stuff like this, yet people seem to neglect it or abuse it. Basically taking the easy way outa the problems

by Anonymous 1 week ago

You're witnessing social promotion which has nothing to do with the No Child Left Behind act.

by Ylakin 1 week ago

Dawg read the bill

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I think you should take you own advice. The bill has nothing to do with social promotion.

by Ylakin 1 week ago

NO. the entire point of it is to hold back those that don't need extra help. And that is a gigantic issue long term for the US.

by External-Ad 1 week ago

The act is about teaching all kids at a low level so that everyone can understand

by Low_Traffic 1 week ago

If only that was how it was carried out

by Anonymous 1 week ago