People who wants to be managers should NEVER become managers, amirite?

i'm looking for better pay not power 🤨

by Anonymous 1 week ago

"Maximus, do you accept this tremendous honor I've bestowed upon you?" "With all my heart, NO." "That is why it MUST be YOU".

by ondrickamaximil 1 week ago

Not one of these people is talking about the manager of a MacDonalds. Most regular people who want to be a manager just want a pay raise and some job security.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

"Today, I am Assistant Manager of Denny's Restaurant #2702, but tomorrow all shall bow before me or perish!"

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Someone whose name eludes me also once said. There are no good rulers of men because no one good wants to rule their fellow man.

by Taraparisian 1 week ago

Plato, a great Greek wrestling legend once said Those who seek power do not deserve it, and those who deserve it do not seek it Plato also said that ideal society should be ruled by philosohers

by Anonymous 1 week ago

And the few philosopher kings that did manage to gain power such as Marcus Aurelius, Charlemagne, Lee Kwan Yew did lead their nations into a time of progress, reform and prosperity did they not?

by Grouchy-Builder 1 week ago

Charlemagne? The great European thug who executed people in their thousands (maybe) and forcibly converted Saxons to Christianity? That ‘philosopher king?' Nice fella.

by Secure-Psychology207 1 week ago

Same thing for politicians

by eulaliaheller 1 week ago

Especially politicians.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I enjoyed being an NCO in the military which would be a manger. It was awesome seeing the young troops I had grow as people and as enlisted members of the military.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Now THAT is a good reason

by Grouchy-Builder 1 week ago

This refers to power hungry megalomaniacs, not managers. Someone taking the lead and giving a team purpose and direction is not the same as a being a greedy dictator. This went over your head.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

The problem is arsehole managers who act like greedy dictators often see themselves as taking the lead and giving a team some much-needed purpose. Its also true that managers who definitely are leading a team to fix problems and giving them some direction are seen by arsehole employees as acting as greedy dictators. Without accountability and leadership things are bad, people need accountability and management to grow and develop but no one anywhere likes that on an individual level, we all think we are special and correct or want to be able to get away with doing as we like.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

That depends on the reason behind why someone wants to lead. That also went over your head.

by Grouchy-Builder 1 week ago

That's what I just said dude... Did you really just repeat it back to me and think that you made a clever retort?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Giving a team a purpose and direction is a job description, it is not a reason to become a leader.. Whether or not you become a leader for money, for power or for love of the trade, you have to give your team directions. If you become a leader because you love giving directions, that's an issue. I think you've misunderstood the "what" with the "why' in this question.

by Grouchy-Builder 1 week ago

Giving directions is not the same as giving them a purpose. Good leaders point their team and help cast vision. It seems you only have experience with the petty despot variety of "manager".

by Old-Language 1 week ago

lol. Someone just started psych class…

by Old-Language 1 week ago

College was a long long long time ago.

by Grouchy-Builder 1 week ago

Then that too is a bad reason to become management, if money is your sole motivating factor, then you're the type of person who will eliminate and undermine underling who you see as a threat to your position and readily jump ship to the next company that offers higher pay. You will not be a good leader.

by Grouchy-Builder 1 week ago

What's the point of getting a job if not earning money?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

true but wouldn't you want somebody who is passionate about being in a certain field to work in that field because they'll be good at it? why would i want somebody managing me who doesn't even like being a manager? i see where you're coming from though, but im not really sure that applies

by Anonymous 1 week ago

You want someone who's passionate about the field and getting things done, and leading people is part of the equation. The mission is the priority. You don't want someone who wants to lead people, and to keep leading people he needs to get things done because then he'll readily throw people under the bus to maintain his position. The horse goes before the buggy.

by Grouchy-Builder 1 week ago

There is often times leadership as a necessity. When you've got large teams and multiple deadlines a good project manager can make all the difference. When they break down tasks, work with the teams to set realistic goals and deadlines and run interference for them to make sure they have the resources they need and the time to complete there work you're building real value for your team. A good manager who is team first is highly valuable. I do agree that those positions tend to attract some unsavory people just looking for a power trip or pay raise and may not even be competent (The Peter Principle), but this doesn't have to always be the case. A good saying I live by is if you have to tell people you're the boss, you aren't. Lead by example and recognize when people are smarter or better at something than you and get out of their way and support them.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

But then people who don't want to be managers will never be managers because they don't want to!

by kay84 1 week ago

Yeah you generally gotta sit through a lot of schooling, apply to dozens of jobs, and get trained lmfao. You can skip one of those things but it is generally a long process.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

At a restaurant I used to work at, the assistant managers earned less than the waiters because they weren't allowed to keep tips.

by kay84 1 week ago

Go back to getting ur philosophy degree and being unemployed bro. This logic is extremely faulty and relies on appeal to authority.

by fjacobs 1 week ago

I own my home with no mortgage and have a well paying job lol. Sounds like I struck a nerve with you, maybe you're one of the power hungry ones.

by Grouchy-Builder 1 week ago

WTF?!? LMAO. What kind of flex is that? With an ego like yours I hope you are not in any sort of a managerial position.

by FanWooden 1 week ago

I'm not and I don't want to be. It's unnecessary stress on my part and I am already well compensated for. I may offer some advice if help need be but that's it. For some reason people assume if you read books and know some philosophy that means you're some unemployed bum. They got to give someone some character flaw or make them undeserving of their talent to make themselves feel better. The rumour about Mr Rogers being a marine sniper and having killed hundreds in the Vietnam war. Someone who's smart is because they had good genes, nothing to do with work. Someone is employed is only because of their gender. Someone who knows philosophy must be a broke bum.

by Grouchy-Builder 1 week ago

Started with Plato, ended with a Lannister +1

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I got into management as a way to extend my carreer. Im not power crazed. Leadership sucks donkeyballs sometimes. Turns out im actually decent at builiding and leading teams. If you hate your manager look around. Anyone else feel like you do? If not.... your perception may be the issue. Im not horribly fond of the food chain where I am. Here I am going to work everyday sucking it up getting the jobs done. Treat your people fair they can respect that.

by beerdevan 1 week ago

Work one IATSE call for the right department head and you'll see how the tiniest most insignificant amount of power can totally corrupt a person who had very poor character to begin with.

by Edwardosimonis 1 week ago

This is a tad intense. These quotes are for power crazed megalomaniacs not some dude named Todd who's grinding for that 5k pay raise and an extra week of vacation.

by Josephineskiles 1 week ago

Remember this quote from Emperor Palpatine himself. "All who gain power are afraid to lose it."

by Pretty-Code8472 1 week ago

This idea that power seeking is bad, is incredibly foolish. How do you bring about positive change without power? Power is simply ability. You can't help the poor if you're just as powerless as they are. You need power to make a difference in the world - for better or for worse Also, did you just quote a fictional character? Bruh

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Then your goal is not to seek power, your goal is to help, the power that comes is just a tool for you to reach the goal. You don't seek to lead, you seek to change.

by Grouchy-Builder 1 week ago

No, I'd still be seeking power and I would seek to lead. Maybe through an election, or maybe through a coup lol. Hypothetically, of course. Point is, seeking power isn't wrong in and of itself. Just like seeking wealth isn't wrong. The two are very closely linked anyway

by Anonymous 1 week ago

It's the horse and buggy situation again. If your motivation to become part of the leadership is because you desire power, that is a bad motivation. The so called your desire to "change" is just mental gymnastics to make your thirst more palatable to your sensibilities. If you desire change, but in order to exact those changes it requires you to become a member of the leadership, the buggy is behind the horse. That is just.

by Grouchy-Builder 1 week ago

Is desiring wealth wrong?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

In the face of most major religions on earth, yes. Some call that the "hedonistic treadmill".

by Grouchy-Builder 1 week ago

Appealing to faith now? I'm not asking you what religions say on the matter. I do not consider any of them as moral authorities. I'm asking what you think

by Anonymous 1 week ago

If you personally think amassing wealth is hollow and unsatisfying, that's quite different to saying it's wrong. I don't like drinking beer but I won't say drinking beer is wrong. You had no problem stating your opinions earlier: That is just. that is a bad motivation Suddenly, your opinion is irrelevant?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

My personal opinion is irrelevant because my opinion pertains to myself. The opinions before on good or bad pertains to "good or bad" for society. Something can be good for the individual but bad for society and converse. I see amassing wealth as personally unsatisfying, which means I think desiring wealth is bad for me. However desiring wealth can be good for the society because it helps increase the living standard of the civilization despite the selfish motivations for the many individuals who holds such beliefs. However it is also potentially bad for those individuals because of the hedonic treadmill they put themselves on. However if they don't see that treadmill as bad, then it is not bad to the individual since they don't think it's bad.

by Grouchy-Builder 1 week ago

So unlike a lot of the people bringing up this quote wrt positions of authority you think the problem is wanting the power not wanting the job?

by Necessary_Picture722 1 week ago

Same for politicians. But since these positions require being determined if not completely ruthless, the kind of people least deserving to have power over others are basically the only ones who can get there.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Certainly the case for every politician I can think of

by blegros 1 week ago

You have to look at motivations. Some people want it for the power, others simply benefits. Also challenge can be a reason, some people want it to help others. Also it can be viewed as a kind of ‘retirement' for labor jobs. I do agree if the motive is power you're very likely correct but not all that want to lead want it for the power.

by Long-Internet4965 1 week ago

I feel this way about a lot of jobs. Anybody striving to be in control of others for the sake of control is most likely not going to use that power entirely benevolently.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Counterpoint: One who does not want to be Manager or king does not always mean they are good at the job. Robert Baratheon didn't want to be king, he just wanted to fight, drink, and sleep with women, and he sucked as a king as a result.

by Rmurazik 1 week ago

Seems like you just know someone that you don't like, or don't have faith in, who wants to be a manager. And this is fine. But to verbalize it is a bit naive. Maybe management is trash and someone who actually wants to make a good change wants to step up.. did you ever consider this? You don't have to answer that because I already know the answer.

by Kyle54 1 week ago

I want a manager who wants to do all the managerial stuff

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I don't really agree, because I feel like you have different types of managers, and different types of leadership. When people talk about management, people tend to be referring to PEOPLE management. As in, you oversee the work of a team of employees. I tried being this type of manager, and I am not good at it. I am good at delegating, I am good at coordinating, organizing, scheduling, but I can't motivate a team. This is a skill that I just do not have. This is why, the type of management that I do now, I manage things, and I also "manage" people to a degree, but they are not my employees. I don't have to discipline them when they screw around or mess up (nor do I want to). I think that bad managers are the ones who are not honest about the type of leadership skills that they have. If someone says you have leadership skills, if they are honest, they will tell you which leadership skills they excel in and which ones they fall short in.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

"…seem to lead absolutely". No one in a management position in a company leads absolutely; they're all beholden to their line managers, a board of directors, the customer, shareholders etc. Everyone should strive to have more power at work, because more power comes with a bigger pay cheque. Such is life unfortunately…

by Super_Translator_544 1 week ago

Im want to become a leader só my people can be free from this corrupt leadership 🤡🤡🤡.. Just bczo they said it doesn't mean it true.. I say yanga pinga dinga lunga punga pinga

by Ill_Fuel 1 week ago

While it's true that those who don't want to rule are the most deserving of ruling. It's also true that management, directing the governing needs preparation and a few classes if they want to do a good job. So, to some degree it needs to be conscious and wanted

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Ugh, don't make me defend managers. This is one of those sayings that sounds really good but isn't actually true. I know a few people who really wanted to become managers and are great at the job, including my own.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Wasn't Plato a philosopher? Or was Plato the wrestler someone else?

by Durganlaury 1 week ago

I think OP was being a bit facetious. Plato was indeed a philosopher but wrestled when he was young.

by Toconner 1 week ago

I mean yeah, I've always believed I'd be an amazing manager but I'd also never want to be a manager, people don't need to be told what to do in a good workplace

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Haha actually yea I agree. Here's why: People who desperately want to manage other people are almost never qualified for it and will be so out of their depth and breadth of basically anything. Kind of reminds me of people who want to "do coding" but in reality it's just for the money. Puh-leaze. Where are those TPS reports?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

It's a lot more fun to manage your manager Let them take all the heat from above and all the useless meetings. Only need them to justify raises and bonuses which they will when you get things done without needing them Lead other teams by example - put out some good ideas and ways to tackle problems. And if other people have better ideas that's fine too - at least you got things moving

by Freida33 1 week ago