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"those enhanced interrogation methods" that released papers detail only speak of waterboarding, which again, is still debated on whether or not is considered torture.

Going back to my first real response, he WAS a bad president. But there is nothing impeachable about anything he did

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WinniethePooh WinniethePooh

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It is well known fact that more than water boarding was authorized. Stress positions, humiliation, hypothermia, etc., etc., etc.

Any of these are not only impeachable offenses, but criminal offenses as well.

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So you think that Bush should have been impeached because prison guards got bored and decided to make their inmates suck each others' ****? Something tell me he didn't exactly pass an executive order on that...

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WinniethePooh WinniethePooh

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He's the commander in chief. The 'decider' in Bush-speak. And facts tell us that he signed papers authorizing those 'enhanced interrogation' methods. The idea that it was just 'a few bad apples' is ridiculous to say the least.

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But it is debatable and frequently is debated whether or not water-boarding is torture. Then comes the issue of whether or not breaking a treaty is impeachable. We break treaties all the freakin time and usually nobody cares

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WinniethePooh WinniethePooh

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The determining factor for torture is whether the acts performed leave marks. Forced homosexual acts certainly do and were used. Not to mention all the other versions of torture that the US used and had to redefine the definition of torture in order to get away with.

And:
The U.S. Military Code specifies that it is a crime to violate the Geneva convention:
"Whoever, ... commits a war crime, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for life or any term of years, ... and if death results to the victim, shall also be subject to the penalty of death. ... Definition: As used in this section the term 'war crime' means ... a grave breach in any of the international conventions signed at Geneva 12 August 1949 [or acts] prohibited by Article 23, 25, 27, or 28 of the Annex to the Hague Convention IV, Respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land, signed 18 October 1907 ... " (Section 2441: U.S. Military Code on War Crimes)

1945 Nuremberg Principles:
After WWII, the U.S. led the formation of the ‘Nuremberg Principles,’ which form the United Nations Charter. Every country in the world is bound by that Charter.
Defines as a crime: "Planning, preparation, initiation or wag...

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I don't think you actually know very much about the Bush Administration. He did some stupid things and was by no means a good president but you don't get impeached for being dumb. As far as I know he didn't do anything unconstitutional that wasn't already being done by the many generations of progressives that came before him so it's irrational to single him out. And the whole Geneva Convention issue is still highly debated while you simple state your opinion.

Like I said, he was a bad president but that doesn't mean he should be impeached--he didn't do anything that violates the ethical code of his office

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WinniethePooh WinniethePooh

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Neither did Nixon. But, torture is a violation of the Geneva Convention. That is not debatable.

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Actually, I'm fairly well-informed. The UK has higher rates of aggravated assault, sexual assault, victimization, burglary, robbery, etc.

In fact, gun homicides are about the only thing that is lower than in the US--but that doesn't really matter considering every other type of crime has gone up...which like I said, only proves gun advocates argument

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WinniethePooh WinniethePooh

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Only if gun advocates would rather be dead than alive.

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Strict gun laws don't work. Look at Chicago: tightest gun laws in the country and also highest rate of gun violence. Also Sandy Hook is in Connecticut, the state that has the 4th strictest gun laws in the country. People always quote European countries as proof that gun laws work but they never look at the overall homicide rate. The homicide rate went up per capita (and is higher than the US's) when the gun ban was introduced. Sure less of those were by guns but what difference does it make when those cases still prove gun advocates' argument: that strict gun laws make for less safe countries

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WinniethePooh WinniethePooh

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You seem to be completely misinformed about the US's homicide rate and that of most European countries, as well.

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The only thing I have to ask is why?

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WinniethePooh WinniethePooh

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Only for misleading the country into an unnecessary war and destroying the constitution. Oh, and for breaking the Geneva convention.

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I meant motorcycles. We should ban motorcycles, because I read an article that showed that other motorists are more likely to try and run you off the road if you are on a motorcycle. That's a case of an object making OTHER people try to murder YOU. You don't need a pool to exercise, and 10 people drown in them per day. Guns have health benefits to those who own them, and they are only as dangerous as the person who owns them. Do you see how flawed your argument is?

People should be able to kill an intruder or themselves. Why can't people commit suicide?

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Mike_Hawk Mike_Hawk

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I'm not going to respond to someone who yells at and belittles me. Do you see how violent this culture of gun worship has made you?

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This might sound stupid or maybe someone already said, but we could also try to put a psychological test on the people trying to get guns. If you think about the movie theatre shooting in Colorado that guy bought everything legally. Had they done a psychological test they may have seen what he was planning.

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The NRA would never allow that and they write our gun laws.

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That article put me more at risk of suicide than either of my firearms. Having a gun in the house makes you more likely to get shot? No way! Next you'll tell me that owning a bike makes you more likely to suffer a bike accident, or that owning a pool makes you more likely to drown!

While we're getting guns out of our homes, maybe we should get dogs out, too. http://moveleft.org/dog_ban/

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Mike_Hawk Mike_Hawk

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The difference being that bicycles save the environment, pools help you exercise and dogs have health benefits for those who own them and are only as dangerous as they are trained.

A gun's only purpose is to kill, whether it's an intruder or your own family or yourself.

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The UK also has a much higher violent crime rate than the United States. Assuming you are the victim of a crime, then yes, you are more likely to murdered or shot in the United States. However, you are far more likely to become a victim of a crime in the UK in the first place. We should stop comparing countries, though.

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Mike_Hawk Mike_Hawk

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But, you're a lot less likely to wind up dead as a result of the violent crime. I thought comparing countries was the whole point of your post.

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Israel only kills Palestinians by the hundreds every chance they get without ever thinking twice. It's not only about school shootings, it's primarily about a culture of violent thought which guns perpetuate and America shares with Israel.

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bezoarus bezoarus

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Gun crime in the US (per capita) is about 20 times that of the UK, where gun laws are much stricter. Overall murder rates get closer with the US at 3 times higher than UK.

Thailand though appears to have one of the highest rates of gun crime in the world. One statistic suggested 20,000 guncrime murders per annum. That's an extraordinary amount and much higher than in the US - both by per capita and by number.

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I love how you call it "truth" with no evidence, it's just shit you do that other people do also.

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I stick with my previous statement. It may sound condescending because faith requires people to take any criticism of their belief system as an insult.

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Yeah it totally is. So is the condensing attitude that people have where they think they can say what ever they want and any criticism toward it shouldn't be allowed. AGAIN, NO ONE IS QUESTIONING YOUR RIGHTS. How dumb do you have to be to ** about people using their rights then ** about people using their right to free speech, WHILE USING YOUR RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH?

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Frank_n_Furter Frank_n_Furter

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I didn't **** about people using their rights. I bitched about how the way those rights were being used indicated something fairly negative about what they were using them for.

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"It states so, but not explicitly" WAT! How does that even work?

"The right of THE PEOPLE" Does it get any more explicit than that? The preface about a militia was an explanation, because they foresaw a tyrannical Government trying to infringe upon the Second Amendment by claiming it was for hunting. It's not about hunting, it's about people being armed on par with the military in order to maintain our freedom.

This is the second time that you've tried to tell me that I'm wrong about something that is 100% fact. You are the pinnacle of people who don't know what they're talking about. I'm too passionate about this topic to deal with people who will deny reality to get their point across. For my health, I will not be responding to you further.

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Mike_Hawk Mike_Hawk

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The first amendment required not qualifiers. Why did the second? If they meant as you say, it would have simply stated "Congress shall make no law prohibiting the rights of citizens to bear arms." or the like. They added "well-regulated militia" to indicate that these were the "people" that the amendment was referring to.

Even if I'm wrong, it's pretty clear that it's not as clear as you seem to think.

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Good thing we have people like you to pick up the ball they dropped. Thanks!

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VicZinc VicZinc

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Even better that we have people like you to put centuries of possible outcomes neatly within their brains. Huzzah!

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Looking at it from a non-bias point of view:
-The only thing that is certain is that no one really knows for sure what the **** is going on
-religious people believe they have an idea...I.E a god
-atheists believe that shit happens
-at the end of the day....both parties believe they know more than the general population. Atheism is like the SAT's, to first score a 0 one must know all the right answers. Therefore to claim that believing in nothing isn't a form of belief is contradictory to logic.

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Pedo_Cat Pedo_Cat

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A lack of belief isn't belief in the same way that a lack of water isn't water.

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It most certainly does.

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VicZinc VicZinc

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It states so, but not explicitly. Why even bother adding the preface about militia?

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