-75 It's awful that they're building a mosque right near Ground Zero (remember 9/11?). How's that for blatant insensitivity? amirite?

by Anonymous 15 years ago

This is probably the most ignorant post I've seen in my time here on this site. Good job.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

You are probably the most ignorant person I've had the 'pleasure' of disagreeing with on this site. Congrats.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Sorry? No need for the direct attack.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Sorry? That was hypocritical. If you're going to call me ignorant but not even tell me why I'm ignorant, that just makes you ignorant AND hypocritical. So, yes, there was a need.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

I never said you were ignorant. The post is quite ignorant though. It says that Muslims who are trying to show their support of the community have secret agendas. Saudi Arabia isn't backing it, the American Society for Muslim Advancement is. And even though they already owned the land, they still asked Manhattan for permission, which Manhattan wholeheartedly agreed to.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Manhattan didn't so much 'wholeheartedly agree' to it so much as they totally overlooked the respects of the families of victims of 9/11, who were in no way pleased to see an homage to the religion in the name of which they're family was murdered being erected so close to the site. And the muslims are not trying to 'show their support'. It is a classic Islamic custom to build a mosque over conquered ground. Hmmm... ground zero... conquered ground... this MIGHT be a coincidence if they weren't naming the building after the mosque that they erected in Spain to COMMEMORATE THE CONQUERING OF SPAIN

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Well, sir/madam, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince someone so deeply convinced that it's a conspiracy otherwise.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

HAHAHA conspiracy. Way to try and discredit me. As a Jew, I argue with far too many anti-semites (you aren't anti-semitic in the least, I'm just saying most of the people I argue with are) to let the 'not going to waste my time with you' argument. I guess I'll just take this as a 'you have no more good arguments left' excuse.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

And as a Muslim, I'm tired of people throwing the whole terrorist shit around. It was a group of extremists who committed the deed. Extremists aren't building the new mosque, and I know that those who don't practice that branch of the religion frown upon what they did heavily. Saying stuff like that is like blaming the Christians for the outlandish acts of the Westboro Baptists.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

AH. Well first, I want to say that I respect you for responding without insult. I understand that as a Muslim you would get sick of constant accusations of terrorism. But even more, do you think you can try to see it from my point of view? Where I'm sitting here watching all sorts of new laws being adapted so that Muslims can live the way they want to at the inconvenience of everyone else? Thus, I have no tolerance for this. I am not opposed to the building of the mosque, I am opposed to the placement of it, the name of it, and the date that they want to open it.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

I apologize for any previous insults, I can get quite heated when it comes to this topic. The placement, name, and date are all supposed to signify that not all Muslims are machine gun carrying, suicide bombing, murderers. As for inconvenience, the land belongs to the committee. I understand that there are people who lost loved ones, but it was a decade ago.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Haha yes, so can I. Well America will never forget or forgive for 9/11, especially not while they're still in the Middle East. I can understand how the date would be commemorative if it weren't for the name. I see no possible way that the name could be inoffensive. And with the name being what it is, the date is like a slap in the face, and between the name and the date, the placement is just like kicking a handicapped kitten.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Cordoba was conquered by Middle Easterners over 900 years ago. During those times every empire with any sort of power was scrambling to conquer the others. Also, it's a large community center that has a mosque inside it located two blocks away from ground zero. Which, to me, seems like a respectful distance. It's not being built solely for Muslims, but rather anyone who happens to stop by.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

I would believe that if it weren't totally owned by Muslims and going to have a mosque in it... And that doesn't justify them naming this new building after that one.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

I don't really see anything wrong with it. To each his own I suppose.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

I suppose...

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Well, I did enjoy debating with you. And I again apologize for being so rash.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

I think we're fairly even on that one.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

EXCUSE ME, but it isn't even a mosque, it is a community center for promoting tolerance. THAT is why everyone is so ignorant. And even if it were a mosque, it should be okay. The mosque would have nothing to do with 9/11, it would have nothing to do with terrorists. THE COMMUNITY CENTER will be run by interfaith communities.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

(A Jewish Girl): It's a community center with a Mosque in it.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Correct, one room that can be used to pray in by any person practicing any faith, just like prayer rooms they have at airports. I read earlier comments made by you and noticed you said you were Jewish. Can't you see that this intolerance towards the Muslims unrelated to 9/11 is just like how the world has treated us Jews for thousands of years? When one Jew committed a murder the whole Jewish community was blamed. Soon people were believing that we killed Christian children and used there blood to cook Matzah. Please don't fall into the trap, your feelings are understandable but unacceptable, please, I beg you, be tolerant, the world has always needed more of it. We, especially, know this.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

(A Jewish Girl): You can not use my religion to guilt me into agreeing with you. Clearly learning about Jewish history has made you soft. That's fair, but understand that you can't compare what's going on now with our history, and that's a blatant bad call on the part of your judgement. No one said don't let them build a mosque, just don't let them build it there.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You don't know me, and you call me soft. The horrific suffering of my ancestors has not made me soft. Death doesn't make someone soft, it builds a hard callus, a shell, a wall, around their heart that grows heavier and heavier with time. You have a choice, let it make you blind, let it make you stagnant with intolerance or let it inspire you to become understanding. This is why I see the similarities and it scares me. I wish I didn't see it, but it is there. If you were a non-Extremist Muslim you would see it. Nothing we say to each other will change what we believe, these beliefs are routed in our cores.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

(A Jewish Girl): Now let's move away from the ethical dilemma and look at the law, at the constitution. The constitution states you have a right to freedom of religion. In addition, if the only place you can afford is two blocks away from Ground Zero (which you are unrelated to) then you have a right to buy that property and use it for what you wish. Of course you do not believe this, but many people believe Mosques should not be built in America at all. Newt Gingrich himself stated just that. It is a belief held by many Americans and it is out of anti-Islamic feelings, out of prejudice, out of hatred and intolerance. (I certainly see a connection here) I could go on but I will not. I do not appreciate your direct attack and disrespectfulness. I don't mind debates, I enjoy them, but only if they are respectful and educated.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

(A Jewish Girl): I'm sorry you relate my opinion with blatant anti-Islamic beliefs, but that's your fault not mine, and you have no right to call me out on it if it's not what I'm saying. Also, guaranteed the property was incredibly expensive. So "the only property you can afford" thing? Absolute bull. Thanks for playing. I do not appreciate being patronized. This wasn't a debate, rather it was you saying "I must be right because you said something that could be connected with something else that I can relate to something that is awful."

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Like I said, that was pointless. You put words in my mouth too, in fact, you put quotes around them. In other words, you are a hypocrite. I wasn't playing anyone. Obviously you can't have a debate with someone who disagrees with you without being extremely defensive and rude (which can be seen in almost all replies made by you) so I'm done here. Thanks for driving away someone who wanted to make a connection with another human being and have a friendly discussion. We are two highly opinionated teenagers, with plenty in common, but you pushed me away. Goodbye.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

(A Jewish Girl): Peace.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

(A Jewish Girl): yes but think of it this way. How are we supposed to know what they do there, they might be planning to attack america from within.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

^ I second that

by Anonymous 15 years ago

While you 'second' that, consider that Saudi Arabia (the same country that SUPPORTED 9/11) will most likely be the one funding this 'project'. Also consider that they want to open the new 'religious' center on September 11, 2011. Still think this is just ignorant? Give me one good reason.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

wow.... just wow not all muslims are extremists just the few terrorists happen to be

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Tell me when, exactly, I said all muslims were terrorists?

by Anonymous 15 years ago

you didnt, but your post somewhat implies it

by Anonymous 15 years ago

What I mean to imply is that if I were killed for the agenda of any religion, I would not want a religious center dedicated to said religion built anywhere near where it happened. Furthermore, on this large of a scale, it shouldn't even be considered, never mind supported. I didn't mean to make it seem like all muslims are terrorists, rather that they come from the same strand, just some took a wrong turn (so to speak).

by Anonymous 15 years ago

We Muslims don't even consider the terrorists as Muslims, much less humans. We don't respect them, but we hate them probably much more than you do.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

I get that you do, and I don't have any problem with Muslims, but any good person, ESPECIALLY Muslims, if you hate the terrorists so much, should know that this is a bad idea. If you NEED a new mosque, don't build it there.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

It wasn't for the agenda of Islam, it was for those for extreme terrorists.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Don't matter who did it. I'm not saying that they can't build a mosque, and if it's just that they want another place to pray, there are many, MANY less offensive places that they could build it.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Actually its done by the illuminati

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Yes. Everything is the fault of the illuminati...

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Saying that building a mosque near an extremist site is wrong is the same as saying that a church is going to be built near a spot where a Christian man shot a kitten (nothing like 9/11, but you get my point), or a synagogue near where a family of Jews slaughtered anyone near them. Perhaps this mosque is supposed to show respect? Consodering most Americans jump when they hear "Muslim" and think that it means "Suicide bomber", maybe the builders of the mosque thought it would symbolize prayer to lead the dead onto their new life? You don't know. Ignorant was the right word for blaming AN ENTIRE RELIGION for one calamity that involved extremists, which, NEWS FLASH, every religion has.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

You are completely minimalizing the loss of life and the immensity of the impact of 9/11. 9/11 brought one of the biggest cities of one of the most powerful countries in the world TO IT'S KNEES. I never said Muslims are all terrorists, I said that it's insensitive that they are using this old tradition that Islam has done for hundreds of years... THEY BUILD MOSQUES ON CONQUERED GROUND.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Ever thought that possibly the majority of Muslims feel remorse for what happened and are trying to make amends, of sorts, by placing a sacred building of theirs near a basically sacred area to Americans?

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Nope, you're wrong.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

OP is a racist bastard. That is all, you can't justify anything you've said.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Who is OP?

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Original poster. You, for this post.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

I totally completely agree with this post. It was probably Obama's doing. It's like a huge slap in the face to Americans. Especially it's supposed opening date. Let's pretend we love terrorists because our president is one, good idea

by Anonymous 15 years ago

It was smart to go anonymous... I don't know if you'll ever read this, but I totally agree with you and wish you luck defending your beliefs against your brainwashed friends. It's certainly hard (even though your comment really has absolutely nothing to do with my amirite...)

by Anonymous 15 years ago

First of all Obama is no terrorist. That is a racist statement and I don't appreciate it. Second of all, Muslims are not terrorists. Yes SOME Muslims are terrorists but then so are some Christians and some Jews. There are extremists in every religion and I'm sick of everyone thinking Muslims are the only bad people. It's like saying ALL Metal is Satanic and evil. You live on double standards.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

(PoliticalTeen.): First of all I know Obama isn't a terrorist, that wasn't what I was agreeing to, although it seems like that and I'm sorry I didn't make that clear. Secondly, it's not racist at all. Not at all. And again, and hopefully for the last time... NOBODY SAID ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS SO GET OVER YOUR FUCKING SELVES AND STOP MAKING IT LOOK LIKE WE'RE THE BAD GUYS

by Anonymous 15 years ago

BECAUSE OBAMA'S TOTALLY A MUSLIM, AMIRITE? no -__-

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Wow ok, so if ONE Christian ad a few of his followers caused a horrible event then would it be insensitive to build a church where it happened? HATE ON THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE NOT FROM THE RELIGION THEY CLAIM THEY FOLLOW.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

That is absolutely ridiculous. This wasn't ONE person and a couple of his followers, this is an ENTIRE movement of terrorists that did this. Furthermore, yes, it WOULD be insensitive to build a church there. Also, they are naming this proposed mosque after a mosque the erected in Spain to COMMEMORATE THE CONQUERING OF SPAIN and they want to open it on SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2011! Or did you not bother to get informed?

by Anonymous 15 years ago

This post is quite ironic.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Wouldn't it hurt if some man killed one of your family members, and after he died, his family moved in right next to you? It's NOT his familys fault that he killed someone but they're a reminder of what happened. This post is NOT blaming all Muslims for 9/11.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

THANK YOU =D

by Anonymous 15 years ago

That's exactly where you are wrong. It's more like "a Jewish man kills a member of your family and then another jewish family that has no relationship to the first guy moves in right next to your family." Muslims aren't all the same.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Wrong. Completely wrong. It's like a Jewish family massacring your entire immediate and distant family because they disagree with your families way of life, and then say 'hey mind if we build a synagogue next door? it's really a peaceful offering. But we want to name it after the family the family that massacred your family and open it on the same day that he did massacre your family. That shouldn't be a problem should it?'

by Anonymous 15 years ago

That's exactly where you are wrong. It's more like "a Jewish man kills a member of your family and then another jewish family that has no relationship to the first guy moves in right next to your family." Muslims aren't all the same.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

So... What's the issue with building a mosque there? Those guys were not in any way ideologically related to Islam, since Islam is completely against murder. And since when ewere all these laws being passed "at the inconvenience of others?" what are you talking about? Just chill on the issue if Islam - it seems as if all your posts are about it.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

You are correct in ONE thing about my posts - most of my recent ones are about Islam. See, I am Jewish, and the whole issue with the Flotilla just happened, and I sat by and watched as the whole world attacked Israel for not doing anything wrong. And why? Because the 'poor Muslims' (and these are the TERRORIST Muslims, not the good Muslims) were being 'starved and tortured as if it was a concentration camp' which is actually 100% bullshit. Anyways it made me realise that while the poor Muslims are crying about everybody hating them, the whole world is actually letting them take over, meanwhile everybody hates the Jews because we're the only people with the balls to defend ourselves. THAT is why most of my posts deal with Islam, because honestly... I HATE Islam and many, many Muslims because they HATE me. But when they hate me, the whole world jumps to their aid and join in hating me. THAT'S why so many of my posts deal with Islam.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

And just so you all know, I'm just WAITING on the hate for this one...

by Anonymous 15 years ago

This post can suck my tiny dick. I'm done with people saying Muslims are terrorists and that they hate everyone and blah blah blah. Stfu. It's not all Muslims that are terrorists.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

(PoliticalTeen.): Wow. Thanks for disregarding my previous comment and for telling us all that you aren't endowed which has absolutely nothing to do with this at all, but for the second time now... NOBODY SAID ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS SO GET OVER YOUR FUCKING SELVES AND STOP TRYING TO SAY WE'RE THE BAD GUYS

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Oh my God, guys....Show me where the OP said all Muslims are terrorists, because I'm not seeing it.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Is OP original poster?

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Yeah.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Honestly, I disagree. Indeed like you said canadianspunge, we're not all terrorists. And I'll let you know that if anyone goes hating on the Jews and even the whole world s against you; I'll be by your side. Because no religion is perfect. And you can't hate a religion just because some extremists did something like that. I myself a Muslim, was completely appalled about what the extremists did. And yes, they shouldn't have built a mosque there. But disagree on this amirite because when Islam first appeared, the Jews and the Christians killed the Muslims. And to be honest, it isn't fair to say that we aren't allowed to continue said traditions. I'm not trying to defend what happened at ground zero, nor am I supporting the fact that they're building a mosque there. So many people hate Jews where I live, and when they say something bad about you I just want to punch them in the face, because they have no right to say things like that about Jews. I just don't agree with this post one bit.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

That's okay. You're allowed to disagree as long as you respect my views =) I just wish to point out that, where you say that when Muslims first appeared that Catholics AND JEWS killed them. I just wish to point out that while Catholics were on their rein of terror (which is even something most Catholics are ashamed of), that Jews were targets of the Catholics as well, and we certainly weren't with them in killing Muslims. The only Muslims I can think of that we would have been against would be the Muslims around Israel. The 'Palestinians' that everyone talks about were never actually attacked or kicked out of their land, but were encouraged to leave by their home countries. The actual Palestinians - the Muslims who were there before the Jewish people, were more than happy to share their land with us. Some of them even fight in the Israeli army right now, against the 'Palestinians' who are causing so many problems. So without straying too far off topic, (cont'd)

by Anonymous 15 years ago

the only Muslims that I can think of that we would have really targeted would have been those who wanted to kill us. Not that there aren't insane Jews in the world, just that my religion doesn't have as large of an extremist movement as yours (no offence intended).

by Anonymous 15 years ago

No offence taken. It is true that Catholics caused a lot of harm and suffering to the Jews as well as the Muslims. I agree partially about what you're saying about the Palestinians. But, when some of the Palestinians didn't want to leave there country, they were forced out by war. It just goes to show that every religion, no matter what; has been stereotyped into a group. (e.g: The Jews are sick people, Muslims are all terrorists etc.) Sorry if I'm not making much sense or what I'm saying is wrong. I'm only 14 and I'm obviously not as wise as you yet :

by Anonymous 15 years ago

They were forced out by their own home countries. Every religion has been stereotyped, but again this post says nothing at all about all Muslims being terrorists. It's not a matter of racism, but a matter of humanity and respect for the dead. Don't worry, you can be well-versed and be a teenager =P

by Anonymous 15 years ago

I guess you're correct. Heh, I guess you have won this debate since I can't think of a response to that =) I guess so, but you could call them an 'endangered species' xD

by Anonymous 15 years ago

I'll let you in on a secret then... (I'm only 15 ;)

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Y-Your...15? WOW. I thought I was dealing with a person of around 20 years old! You sound really mature! =D

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Well now I wouldn't want somebody discrediting my arguments just because I'm a teenager, now would I?

by Anonymous 15 years ago

I guess not. Though I applaud you for being so mature for your age, nowadays finding a person like you is as rare as finding a polar bear roaming the streets. :P

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Maybe people shouldn't completely label a type of religion of being "bad" or "good". Just because for example a Christian man kills someone does not mean the WHOLE of Christianity is evil and agrees with that. Its just a thought :)

by Anonymous 15 years ago

It's just that this wasn't one person. This was a whole group of extreme Muslims who brought a major city to it's knees, and now they want the city to just accept that they want to build this Mosque and never let victims of 9/11 forget what happened, and especially never forgive.

by Anonymous 15 years ago

What would people say if the built some Japanese Temple in Pearl Harbor?

by Anonymous 15 years ago

That would not be cool and I'm sure America would have something to say about that...

by Anonymous 15 years ago

Exactly! So how is this different?

by Anonymous 15 years ago

It's not different... that's the point. They wouldn't let the Japanese build a Japanese temple at Pearl Harbour, but they WERE planning on letting the Muslims do this...

by Anonymous 15 years ago

It was interesting reading the comments and I completely understand the way OP is thinking. FYI, I am a Muslim myself. But I understand why some people would be disgruntled with the opening of the mosque. Just to let you know, we Muslims aren't heartless, while some of you guys might think that. :)

by Anonymous 14 years ago

End all Religions!!! That's the solution! They only start problems and almost never solve one...

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Personally, I couldn't care less where they build a mosque. But the family members of victims, and survivors, may have different opinions. Some people I know who had family members on one of the planes that hit one of the towers were absolutely traumatized. It's all a matter of respect towards the people who were involved in the events of 9/11

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Wow. There is a lot of contraversy going on in these comments.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

There was a lot of controversy going on in the real deal debates in New York...

by Anonymous 14 years ago