Even Dr. Suess is pro-life. "So let that be a lesson to one and to all; a person is a person, no matter how small.", amirite?

Awesome, let the flame war start. If a woman gets raped, reallly, does she have to have the child? The kid doesn't think either. It doesn't give a shit. My opinion about this whole topic is here: http://www.amirite.net/93575

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well the kid would think. The child would have been born. It is the child's life, you have no right to destroy it, no matter how physically developed they are. I don't care if you were raped, yeah it sucks...but that gives you no right to kill a child.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Thats sick, seriously?! How would you feel if you found out you were a product of rape, you know how shitty your life would be? Thats far worse than terminating a pregnancy.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

So if you were a product of rape, would you prefer to have never been born? Because if you do, then I think I might just wish it too.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You would grow up fucked up. If I was a product of rape I'd hate myself for sure, and living a life a misery is worse than never being born at all.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

But you'd still be living. Eventually, you'd get over it and live a normal life, and there will certainly be others who are glad you were born.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

you just can't get over that kind of thing. and if you were raped and had to carry that baby you wouldn't love it

by Anonymous 13 years ago

There's this little thing called "adoption."

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You still have to carry the baby inside of you for 9 months. Thats torture.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

And what do you think it is to have your brains ripped out of your head by a vacuum? I don't think many people realize HOW babies are aborted.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

it's not a baby it's a collection of cells and tissues.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

So you honestly wouldn't mind dying before you were ever given a chance to life, simply because of the horrible act that started your existence?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well, how could I mind I wouldn't have existed in the first place.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Would you be okay with having never existed? How about this, do you have a boyfriend or a really close friend? What would your life be like if you had never met the person who is closest to you, simply because they had been aborted?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Think about all the amazing people you would have met if you different people had sex at different times.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

A baby is not torture...even if you were raped, creating a baby is a miracle, one of my best friends was the product of rape, but her mother loves her very very much. To be honest, if my child were to be raped, I'd leave it up to them though I'd put up a fight before they were to get an abortion and encourage adoption first. But the truth is, you can't preach about it if you havn't lived the situation. Therefore, I'm not saying my opinion is right.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

adoption isn't always the better solution though. Many children never get adopted, and are transferred from foster home to foster home. Sometimes they end up on the streets. I personally believe that if you can't provide for your child and give them the best life possible mentally and physically, then you should not have a baby. However there will never be a unanimous decision on this topic, so we should all agree to disagree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion

by Anonymous 13 years ago

There's a little thing called reproductive rights.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well I think living is better than never living at all. And sometimes abortions don't work. I have a friend who's mom tried to abort her. It didn't work, she lived. How would you like to live knowing your mom didn't want you?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

So you would rather never have lived at all? Just to be an oblivious blip of nothing on the radar of life? Rape is horrible I understand that. A truly strong woman o y carry through though. Do you think that people are born horrible? Awful and cruel? No, they aren't. Just because a baby, or life, is the result of something so awful does not mean the child is awful themselves.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It can be a different situation from many different peoples point of view, but you should have the right to do what you want. If I were raped I wouldn't keep the baby I would have it aborted.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

So you would kill an innocent child? Why doesn't the baby deserve a chance to live? Yes, it sucks to be raped...but I think it would be much worse to kill a child.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Rape doesn't just suck it's a great tradedy that you have to live with for the rest of your life.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I completely understand that, but it doesn't kill you.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well you could die from being raped, but besides that you should have the right to have an abortion if you're raped.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah, but if you are having a child then you lived through rape. Just because you survived the traumatic experience of rape doesn't give you the right to destroy the baby it created for you. If you don't want the child, then put him/her up for adoption.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Why would someone want to carry around a child for 9 months that is a constant remembrance of what happened to them?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Because they know they aren't murdering an innocent baby. I would rather carry around a baby for 9 months then know I killed a child.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

that's a sick mentality.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Maybe to someone like you.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I think a lot of it has to do with if you believe in the soul of a human being. I believe souls are part of not only life, but the potential for life. A baby, or "cells", to be born has this potential. I just don't see it as our right to take it away. I don't think (I'm not putting I know I wouldn't, because I don't truly 'know' anything about the future) that I would ever get a baby aborted in whatever situation. I don't know if I could live with it and have faith in my strength, and friends to get me through something like that.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

We have right to control the lives, futures, bodies, and dreams of woman we don't even know.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Stop trying to draw attention to yourself, emo.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

My bad for posting comments on someones post, fatass.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

haha yeah that's right insult a person over the internet to higher your self esteem, please that's all you can do when you're wrong apperently, btw you look trashy. I wouldn't even touch you.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

why arent you my friend? lmfao

by Anonymous 13 years ago

oh and also don't go cutting yourself now.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well why don't you ask the baby... oh wait because it can't think, talk, form opinions, or live on its own.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

How LOVED would you feel if you found out you were the product of rape? That your mother actually cared enough to keep you? You would hate yourself for being the product of rape? Uhm, why? It's not like you could have stopped it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You have no right to tell me what I do with my uterus.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Um it's not about abortion, it's about treating everyone equal.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Depends on how you look at it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I suppose you could interpret whatever you want but you can't say that he's pro-life.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Okay true, I can't really say that he is pro-life, but from what he says, it sounds like it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Something that many pro-lifers ironically are against.

by Anonymous 7 years ago

Since we're talking about abortions, if you get one in the first 3 months, you're not technically killing anything because it's not alive yet. It's just skin tissue and cells.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Maybe, but it eventually would have been a baby. You are ending the child's life before it even got to truly begin.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Isn't the unfertilized egg in your uterus also a potential child?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Its life begins at conception, because even the earliest time you find out that you're pregnant, you know your having a baby. And it always is a baby.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yes, obviously you know you are having a baby. My point was that the "skin tissue and cells" grows to become a child with thoughts and feelings. How could you destroy something like that?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh i'm not arguing with you on it being wrong, I'm just saying that it is and always was a baby from the moment of conception.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh okay yeah I completely agree with you.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The skin and tissue and cells that compose a sperm may also become a child. So why isn't a sperm a sacred life form?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well if Dr Seuss thinks that it's GOT to be right. *roll eyes* >_>

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Way to read way too much into it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Actually, that IS what this is about, just like Yurtle the Turtle was Hitler.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, actually it's not. It's an allegory for the bombing of Hiroshima.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yurtle the Turtle was about Hitler. But Horton is definitely not about abortion.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Thank you. Clearly the line isn't "an embryo's a person, no matter how small."

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(Shaan.): Umm Dr. Suess has never been that obvious. He is smart, he puts his thoughts into writing. His Yurtle the Turtle book was brilliant, as is this.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Unfortunately, this still doesn't mean he's pro-life. Dr. Seuss threatened to sue a pro-life group for using his words (this quote) on their stationery.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(Shaan.): Yeah I realized this today, I still think this is a great quote even if I know Dr. Suess doesn't necessarily support what people have done with it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's a great quote, but it's not about abortion. Women have the right to abort. It may not be the nicest thing to do, but it's their right. You can't just take away rights whenever you feel like it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah I agree. I personally don't support abortion, but it is their right, and no one should be able to take that away from them.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Cool. I'm glad we can disagree with out getting mad at each other (unlike most people on the internet).

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Haha yeah, some people get so mad with a simple disagreement. I mean everyone is never going to agree, get used to it. Stop throwing a fit when people don't agree with you.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ironically, I agree with you about that! On second thought I'm not sure if that's irony or not...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Actually, he angrily disputed that line being used by pro-life groups until his death.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

awww. i like that. :D

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What happens when a 12 year old girl gets raped? If she gives birth to the kid, she's gonna die, and so will the child. Would you rather have them both die, or just suck it up and let her have an abortion?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Umm, you don't know that she will die, most likely she won't. So its better to deliver the baby and give it up for adoption. I once watched this video of a lady talking about how she was conceived by rape, and she was given up for adoption because her mother loved her. She loves her life, and is thankful every day for the chance she was given.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If the girls life is in danger. She should not be forced to give birth. That would be forcing her to kill herself.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

In situations where the mother's life is at risk, it is usually better to save one than lose them both. That's just the sad truth.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Just like Dr. Seuss said: "A person is a person no matter how small, unless that person is a dying 12 year old rape victim who doesn't want to bear a child, then she a selfish murdering bitch and who deserve to live."

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Why does everyone argue about rape when discussing abortions? Aren't like less than 5% of abortions because of rape?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yes, less than 1% are from rape or incest. 93% are from unwanted or inconvenience. 78% are from Christians, and there are approximately 3,700 abortions a day.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Those statistics are 97.4% bullshit!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Then where I got them from must have had it wrong, sorry.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's okay, it's not your fault. The phrase "unwanted or inconvenience" is blatantly one-sided and no reputable statistical analysis would present data in such a way.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Actually, all of your statics are bullshit!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

why does every pro-lifer put aside the rights of the mother for a clump of cells?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Because it was the mothers fault she is having the child in the first place. And don't go complaining about rape because less than 1% of abortions happen because of rape.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh, so now women are to be FAULTED for having sex? It's our fault if a condom breaks? it's our fault if the tubal ligation doesn't work? That does happen you know.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yes, we know the consequences, we know condoms or birth control are not fool-proof.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

and yet, they still must go through body-altering changes for this clump of cells, according to you? Y'know what? if my mom had an abortion with me, I wouldn't care. I believe in reincarnation. woulda just had a different parent.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

reincarnation isn't the issue here, and that's a bit heartless to say about your mom =/

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You don't know how heartless she was to me. but, true, not all believe in reincarnation. I do however believe that it's MY right to choose what I do with MY body. No matter what's in it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Thank god someone has a brain! It's your body and your right! Thanks for defending freedom!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That "clump of cells" would have become a living, breathing, baby. You have no right to destroy a life that is not yours, no matter how far into development the child is. And well that's great for you, but how would you like to be born with a few mental issues because your mom tried, and failed to abort you? This happened to my friend, now she randomly gets memory loss and apparently can't have feelings. (love, remorse, hate)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I have no right? Excuse me? Abortion IS LEGAL. I have all the rights in the world. *slow grin* I do have mental issues, thank you very much. I deal with them and move on.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It may be legal, but you still don't 'really' have the right to murder. And I'm sorry for your issues, and congratulations on dealing with them..some people aren't as talented as you.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

By dictionary definition it's not murder. It is not premeditated, and it is not unlawful. You cannot call it murder. You wanna know what's really funny? You said don't bring up rape, right? I've been raped, and that doesn't even factor into my arguments for pro-choice. People cannot use other people's bodies for their own purposes against that person's own desires. Abortion is an obvious violation of this, because the fetus is using the mother's body, including her uterus to develop, and birthing canal (vagina) to eventually be born. People cannot force risk or injury upon another person. Given the risks of pregnancy and birthing, it is obvious why this fits that rule. Any means necessary, including mortal ones, are allowed in defense against violation of one's self or threat of risk or injury.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

did you just copy and paste that from google? xDDDD

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No. Excuse me for being well informed on laws. I am not some school-age brat prowling to troll people. That you would assume such is an insult.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Why thank you, I do like to troll people, and as for a brat. Nah, just a spazz really. =]

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Okay, abortion IS the termination of a pregnancy with destruction of the embryo or fetus. I consider that murder. You are destroying an unborn child. And sorry you have been raped, I didn't realize. And the only reason I said don't even bring up rape was because everyone always eventually does. I am tired of explaining my reasons against rape. You can read above if you want to know them. And okay the rest of what you said pretty much confused me. From what I got out of it, "People cannot fore risk or injury upon another person." can go both ways. You are forcing injury, or death upon the child. You are forcing risk upon the mother. Which one is worse, death, or risk of injury?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

you may consider it that, but it is not legally murder. Most don't bother to think about that. We all live in our safe little bubble, don't we? What I said, simply put, is that people are allowed to go to any means necessary (including killing) to prevent someone from using their bodies without their permission. An unwanted pregnancy would fall under that. The mother does not want the fetus using her as it's incubator, therefore, she has full rights to prevent such. This is only going around in circles. As for adoption and such, which I believe you'd mentioned up there prior - the foster care system and adoption system are overloaded with children - they can't take care of a lot of them, and people don't want them past a certain age. I say take care of those children, who are alive and already born, rather than worry about another generation to come along and overglut the system even more.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Okay, yes I agree with what you say about the foster care and adoption system. They are overcrowded, but I still believe it's better to send a child into an overcrowded system then to destroy them.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

so you want to overpopulate the planet. Nice.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, I personally think people need to stop having so many kids. To me why can't they adopt? Yeah I know most people don't agree with that but ehh it would be my solution.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

there, I can agree with you. Adopt first.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What the hell do you have against women having sex?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Women can have all the sex they want, I am talking about having a baby.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Because anti-abortion activists don't give a shit about women's rights.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

ABSTINENCE KITTIES =] rofl sorry i had to.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

For all you saying how emo you would be if you were a rape baby, remember Oprah was raped as a teen, sure the child died, but she could have been all emo about it like some of you say,but look and see where she is right now! BTW look under your seats.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I've got nothing better to say to that than lmao

by Anonymous 13 years ago

*bows to the audience* your welcome.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

people people...consider the mother. lets say ur 12 years old and got raped..had to live with EVERYONE knowing for those 9 months. then had to give the child up for adoption because when ur 12 ur still a child yourself. Always having to live in that wonder? it would be ruining ur own life. I guess its a personal decision but hey...abortion is legal! and its like that for a reason. Pro-life ppl need to stop living in the past. We have a choice now and it will always be that way.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

1. Only 1% or abortions happen because of rape. 2.So you would rather have to live knowing you murdered an innocent child, than knowing you went through only 9 months of pain to save a baby from pointless death? 3.Yes, you have a choice. A choice to murder.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What do you mean ONLY 1%? How many women need to suffer for you to give a damn. 1% is way the hell too many.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The clump of cells does not know it exists. Therefore, it doesn't know what its missing out on. People won't miss its future existence either. Personally, I never take the time to think "hm I sure feel bad for the aborted babies I could have known." Honestly, pro lifers seem to be uneducated about the realities of abortion. Its an option for a reason. Women who don't have the means to care for a child shouldn't have to. 18 years after Roe V. Wade, crime rates dropped dramatically in urban cities. Like I said, its an option for a reason. And if you think about it, is adoption really the better alternative?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

yea i just recently learned the crime thing. did you know that also back then when it wasnt legal women would shove a hanger up there to get rid of it and kill themselves in the process............i cant pick a side here really.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Okay yes the crime rate dropped because there were less people,and people weren't fighting over children because they never existed. And the "clump of cells" would grow to be a baby. Why does that baby not get a voice in the say of it's death? It is still murder even if it happens before the victim is even able to have a voice.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(frostehh):What about sperm? Sperm are humans too because they can grow into a baby. Don't discriminate against sperm because they are to small to have a voice. Sperm are tiny precious human who deserve to life!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

what i dont understand is when pro-life ppl go on about how its wrong to kill the "potential" human life. Why arent u then attacking women for having their periods? Their body is getting rid of the egg cell so technically she is inadvertedley killing the potential for life.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Those egg cells aren't fertilized, the baby hadn't started growing. In abortions the child is growing and the kill it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

here is my two cents: everyone will NEVER agree on this topic. while it is good to express your opinion to others, it is rude and annoying to press your beliefs onto evryones backs. different situations cause for different courses of action, and you would never truely know until the situation is yours and personal. yes your opinion should be respected, but nobody will respect it if you say your opinion is right or someones is wrong. abortion can be as clean as a miscarridge with a pill, not always a vacuum, and the "baby" is skin tissue and cells for -some- time, at one point it does become a baby. so spend less time arguing and making your life worse than it needs to be. alright?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I don't think anyone has realized that this post is a JOKE!!!! ARE YOU GUYS REALLY THAT THICK?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Actually, people who advocate against women having reproductive rights use this quote all the freaking time. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88189147

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's not a person it's goo

by Anonymous 7 years ago