Share
5 44

*People should be allowed to choose what they want to do as long as it does not interfere with the freedom of others.

@and the freedom of the fetus is where?

And a fetus becomes a person when?

Because you can't prove that a fetus is a person before birth, rights are granted to an individual after they're born.

@pikabeau And a fetus becomes a person when? Because you can't prove that a fetus is a person before birth, rights are...

it is a HUMAN fetus. it is not a fetus of any other species, is it? it has its own specified HUMAN DNA, HUMAN cells and soon after conception has a heartbeat and development of other physical characteristics (feet, hands, face, etc.) that would clearly qualify it as a HUMAN. in exactly what logic is that not a proven person?

Anonymous 0Reply
@it is a HUMAN fetus. it is not a fetus of any other species, is it? it has its own specified HUMAN DNA, HUMAN cells...

Can it live on its own? Can it breath? Can it make a sound? When does it begin to feel? Does it just being alive make it a human?

If you wanna talk DNA, we share 50% of our DNA with bananas. Should we not eat bananas? They're 50% human. Don't ask for a source, I'm quoting a friend. It could be totally made up, but the point is humans and non-humans have very similar DNA.

@pikabeau Can it live on its own? Can it breath? Can it make a sound? When does it begin to feel? Does it just being alive...

don't use 'facts' when you don't have a source. you sound stupid. i won't even address that part of the comment.
but yes actually, in many states abortion is legal well after the point at which a baby could live on its own and breath itself if birth was continued. and as for make a sound.. would you call a deaf mute non-human?

Anonymous 0Reply
@don't use 'facts' when you don't have a source. you sound stupid. i won't even address that part of the...

No, but they actually look like humans. A fetus is not a baby. If it was a baby, it would be called a baby instead of a fetus. A fetus is more or less a parasite making it's host sick and uncomfortable until it is ready to be born.

I find it funny that you will say I sound stupid when you don't even have the balls to show who you are. You're against abortion, but not enough so to let people know who you are?

@pikabeau No, but they actually look like humans. A fetus is not a baby. If it was a baby, it would be called a baby instead...

i don't have the balls to show who i am because i don't feel like making a profile on this site. not because i actually care if you know who i am.
and actually a fetus is a person. a baby is a person but its called a baby. why not a human? and actually they do look like people well before the point that abortion is illegal. don't believe me? go look up pictures of babies killed by abortion.

Anonymous 0Reply
@i don't have the balls to show who i am because i don't feel like making a profile on this site. not because i...

I've seen plenty of pictures. Most of them were of bloody late term abortion fetuses. Still a lump of cells.

Babies are humans. You call grown men, men, but they're still human. A fetus is a human, but being a human does not guarantee it rights. What about the rights of the mother?

@pikabeau I've seen plenty of pictures. Most of them were of bloody late term abortion fetuses. Still a lump of...

the mother had the right to get pregnant or not get pregnant. after that, she has already chosen. and that grown men = men thing. yeah, that was my point. all humans are people (kinda what the word means)

Anonymous 0Reply
@the mother had the right to get pregnant or not get pregnant. after that, she has already chosen. and that grown...

A fetus is a human, but it is not a person until it takes it's first breath.

You don't just choose to get pregnant. It kind of happens. You can use a condom and be on the pill and still get pregnant. You can also never use any form of birth control and never get pregnant. Getting knocked up does not take away a woman's right to govern her own body. Not even PETA fights for the rights of a tape worm, so why should normal people fight for the rights of a fetus? Even if the fetus was a person, its rights would not trump the rights of the mother.

@pikabeau A fetus is a human, but it is not a person until it takes it's first breath. You don't just choose to get...

the mother had the right to have sex. which is the choice to take the chance of getting pregnant. like you said, using birth control does not guarantee not getting pregnant; having sex takes the responsibility of that possibility. the parents rights are gone at that point and the child comes first.
like i said before, a human is a person. done

Anonymous 0Reply
@the mother had the right to have sex. which is the choice to take the chance of getting pregnant. like you said...

So people should never have sex unless they're ready for a baby?

Sorry, but having sex does not take away a woman's right to govern her own body. The man can back with little to no consequences. If a man has the right not to even acknowledge that he got a woman pregnant, then a woman has the right to not be pregnant.

@pikabeau So people should never have sex unless they're ready for a baby? Sorry, but having sex does not take away a...

um, actually that's exactly what i'm saying. sex = possibility of a baby. that's a responsibility taken when having sex.
a man shouldn't be able to ignore it, but the fact is he can. but a woman has taken that responsibility when she engages in sex.

Anonymous 0Reply
@um, actually that's exactly what i'm saying. sex = possibility of a baby. that's a responsibility taken when...

Isn't that sexist? Abortion is all about the woman's right to govern her body and her own life. A man never loses that right no matter how much sex he has. Why should a woman?

@pikabeau Isn't that sexist? Abortion is all about the woman's right to govern her body and her own life. A man never loses...

actually no, it's not sexist. i said a man should have to take the responsibility, but nature allows an out. that's exactly why both people should be ready for a baby when choosing to have sex, especially the woman.

Anonymous 0Reply
@actually no, it's not sexist. i said a man should have to take the responsibility, but nature allows an out...

Why especially the woman? Why don't you just argue that both parties should take responsibility, no exceptions?

@pikabeau Why especially the woman? Why don't you just argue that both parties should take responsibility, no exceptions?

especially the woman because she will face major physical changes if she becomes pregnant and must be ready for the responsibility. that's not to say that a man won't have changes, but he has more time to adjust and will not a physical changes to his body.

Anonymous 0Reply
@especially the woman because she will face major physical changes if she becomes pregnant and must be ready for the...

A woman doesn't have to worry about her body if she isn't forced to give birth to a child she doesn't even want. If she puts the kid up for adoption the man suffers no consequences. If the man just decides to leave he suffers no consequences. It's night right to force a woman to make sacrifices when the man makes none, now is it?

Yeah the problem here is that you failed to clarify that people are allowed to do what they want as long as it does not impede upon the rights of others, as pikabeau said. And some people believe that a fetus Is a living that has rights that they are trying to protect. I don't agree with the idea really, but a case can certainly be made for it.

This user has deactivated their account.
@1580273

The question is when does the fetus turn from being inanimate and/or a part of the mother to being an individual human being. Some argue it is at conception, some argue its when the baby has a heart beat, others argue that its only at birth. At some point the sperm and egg were under the rights of the corresponding male and female and eventually the rights end up with the formed human being, the disagreement is when that transition does or should occur.

This user has deactivated their account.
@1580721

Your perspective is clear and it makes sense. I agree with your perspective except in cases where the mother's life is threatened. But there are other perspectives than ours on this issue. Some don't see it as having the potential for human life until it has attached to the uterus wall(before which it could be miscarried). Others see a child an individual only when it can support itself without the mother, under whose rights it remains until that point. I've also heard of people arguing that that it is when the child has brain function that it becomes a human since brain function is what separates humans from other living things. And I am sure there are more that I am forgetting. The problem is that you can't prove a viewpoint correct. Also, taking such a firm stance can lead to other issues. For instance, if a child has rights at conception, can the mother be prosecuted for negligence in cases of not eating organically, continuing to work, smoking, or other questionable behaviors. If the baby died with any such behavior, is that murder? Would the limiting of the mother's behavior infringe on her rights? The issue can not be viewed or solved as simply as you state it.

They legislated the immorality of slavery.

@downgrade923 They legislated the immorality of slavery.

I think you missed the comment on impeding other peoples freedoms

@Chewbanshee I think you missed the comment on impeding other peoples freedoms

at conception a fetus has its own DNA, and is growing, and people still insist it's inanimate.

@Chewbanshee How did you get babies from slavery?

it's restricting people's freedoms without giving them a say in the matter.

@downgrade923 it's restricting people's freedoms without giving them a say in the matter.

At conception the fetus has no idea that there is a world. It knows nothing. You can't even consider it a person. Its just a living cell.

@downgrade923 so humanity is equal to knowledge?

No, all I'm saying is that you're argument is flawed in that you can clone a person from a cell. Because each cell in the body has sufficient DNA to create a human being. Yet we give no thought to the dying out these cells. A human embryo at conception is very much like this.

@downgrade923 so humanity is equal to knowledge?

Humanity is not equal to knowledge, but maybe it's equal to be self aware?

I choose to rape women

I've never heard this word before "thesefinintion "

Anonymous 0Reply

The s should have been a d and there should be a space before it

Anonymous 0Reply

yea and let's just legalize drug usage and prostitution while we're at it...

@hpnerd yea and let's just legalize drug usage and prostitution while we're at it...

I know you said that with sarcasm, but there's no reason we shouldn't...

@foryoublue I know you said that with sarcasm, but there's no reason we shouldn't...

Exactly. All these things and more are going to happen whether or not it's legalized. As long as it's not hurting anyone, what's the point in making it illegal?

They're legislating for gay marriage which some people find morally/religiously wrong

@_Jojo_ They're legislating for gay marriage which some people find morally/religiously wrong

People can think it's wrong all they want. Allowing gay marriages will not take away their right to oppose it. Some people think owning a gun for any reason is wrong. But my owning a gun does not take away the rights of anyone.

@pikabeau People can think it's wrong all they want. Allowing gay marriages will not take away their right to oppose it. Some...

Both deal with morals, and I believed that both can be legislated whether you are pro-gay marriage or anti-gun laws, and vice versa.

Anonymous