Why? This site its to express ideas. The wittier the better. Just because you don't agree with it, it doesn't mean it automatically can't be chosen as post of the day.
abortion is clearly going to be controversial. if today is pro-choice, tomorrow better be pro-life, I believe the site is for users to post opinions yes, but, not for the administrator to push his beliefs, unless that's what he wants to do. Well that's unprofessional.
Come back with something funny, and maybe he'll post it. You can't get something for nothing.
Oh and btw, if you really believe the admin is unprofessional than.. you don't have to be on his site. Took him a long time to create this site so that people like you can enjoy it. And he can't stand up for something that he believes in?
Wow.
I understand its his site, I'm just saying taking a side like that won't get you anywhere, unless you only want pro-choice users, which is silly. Nobody is forcing me to be here, but I do like the site, I just think it'd be best not to have a biased post as post of the day, that's all.
I think we should all just step back a little here and remember that this is not a serious post. We can have serious discussions on the comments if we want, but the original post was intended as a joke. I hope.
i guess that's understandable, yeah i assumed you were pro-choice, but if its potd because of the "humor", i mean it really is just a joke i suppose that's reasonable.
Get the fuck over it.
If you don't like the post of the day, then ignore it.
No one wants to read you bitch about how pro-life you are and how because this POTD if about one thing, the next POTD should balance this one out.
GTFO or STFU.
Dude you need to chill. She's allowed to state her opinion, just like the person who posted the original post did.
Don't tell her the "get the fuck over it." If you disliked what she said, then why dont YOU ignore it?
You can't deny that at conception, the embryo is alive. It may only be alive in the sense that any other single-celled organism can be called alive, but it is a living thing. It is also human as it has human DNA, and is this DNA is a mixture of the mother's and father's, but identical to neither, it must be a unique living human.
Having said this, I fully support abortion for any reason, and as late as the mother wishes. The only exception is if the doctor determines the baby has a chance of surviving outside of the womb, in which case labour must be induced or a c-section given if that is what the mother asks for. I don't think we can force anyone to have another person growing inside of them, stealing their food, messing with their hormones and permanently changing their body, but when we refuse people abortions that is what we are doing.
I do not think women should get abortions for stupid reasons. I do think they should be able to get abortions for stupid reasons.
i agree with the whole thing about having a choice. but if your having an abortion over something really stupid or if its your like 5th time having one then honestly woman start using some f***ing contraceptives or just stop having sex
who cares if it was only recently? Roe v Wade was pretty darn recent but that doesnt stop anyone. Only recently, could we inforce the borders thanks to arizona law.
Whether it is recent or not, it does not matter at all.
you get off subject very quickly, like a bunny. No, But i was saying that even though the law is recent.. Doesnt mean it cannot be enforced.
But to answer your question i am indiferent to the law. I think illegals are actually good because they take the jobs lazy americans dont want and they have great food. But they dont pay taxes. so idk.. doesnt matter to me really.
For everyone hear saying that abortion isn't murder. You are dead wrong. The human declaration of independence clearly states that everyone has the right to life, and that fetus is becoming a human and you have just dined him/her their right to life, and that is just plain wrong.
Just because it's called a fetus doesn't mean it's not a person. Fetus, baby, toddler, teenager, adult- they all referr to humans; they're just different names for it.
I agree shannon that life begins at conception, but I also support any and all abortions. I cbf typing it out again, but here's why: http://www.amirite.net/153464/347794
I can totally understand what you're saying because- yes, we are forcing the mother to go through many difficult things against her will, yet if you look at it from the opposite side, we can't simply take away the life of the child in order to accomodate the mother. The mother (aside from rape, obviously) made the mistake of getting pregnant; the child has done nothing. Therefore it seems fit that the mother should be the one to suffer the consequences, rather than the child.
Actually the child hasn't done nothing, it is stealing and trespassing. It cannot know this of course, but it is.
Even if the mother chose to get pregnant and then changed her mind, I would still support abortion. It's her body and she can do whatever she wants with it.
If I invite a man into my home and tell him he can stay for 9 months, but then change my mind, I can call the cops if he refuses to leave, correct? I didn't sign anything and it's my house.
When we abort a baby we are killing it, but if it had a chance of surviving outside the womb we wouldn't (or shouldn't) be aborting it in the first place, so it seems a moot point to me.
But think about it this way- in the US, parents can't kick out their children before they turn 18. They had the child, and welcomed it into their home- and if they change their mind about it, they have the stick it out until they turn 18.
The same goes with pregnancy. You chose to get pregnant, now you can't "kick" the child out (so to speak) before they're ready to be born. You have to wait it out for nine months, then you can put the child up for adoption.
A child under the age of 18 is not ready to live in the real world without the support of their parent. A fetus cannot live outside of the mother's womb, therefore the same law should apply.
Yess, you can certainly give them up for adoption at any time under 18, but you can't kick them out and leave them with nowhere to go, and no way to survive. (as abortion does to a fetus.)
I think that a parent should be able to give up their child at any time. Once the child is born they have the ability to survive without the mother, and so there is a duty to at least take the time to send them to an adoption agency. But early in a pregnancy the child cannot. If it were possible (as I'm sure it will be eventually) to take a fetus from the womb and artificially keep it alive and developing then I would support the mandatory use of this, but as this technology doesn't exist we aren't left with many options.
Parents disown their kids all the time in the US... The kids are usually old enough to go to the homeless youth places by themselves or stay with friends though.
The difference is in the intent of the mother. The mother doesn't get an abortion to kill the baby, she gets one because she doesn't want the baby inside her anymore. If there is any chance that the baby could live outside the womb then the doctor should induce early labour and not abort it. The baby has the right to a chance at life, but the mother has the right to have control and ownership of her own body. Who are we to force someone to sustain a parasite in their body for nine months.
It is legal to kill someone who broke into your house, because you have just cause for thinking that they will try to hurt you. You can't kill them if they are on their way out though... well at least where I live
I'm sorry, but if you think you get to ride in the HOV lane just because you're pregnant, than someone needs to mow your ego. You're pregnant, you're not a goddess. One person is in the car, and one person is getting out. Pregnant women don't buy two airplane tickets.
Lol I love the pro lifers who say stop having sex. Virgins much? Sex is natural beautiful and healthy. Just cuz you don't want or aren't ready for a child doesn't by far mean you should stop having sex. Lol!
anyway...great discussion. for all those who don't get why this is an argument, i just wanted to say that wouldn't argument be the point of this site? i mean seriously, post your opinon and see what others think about it...but get pissed off everytime someone disagrees. uhm...i think not.
so keep up the good work everybody...and i loved that really long one, great explanation. i totally agree!
They are still people, they just aren't passengers. They don't require more than one person to move them around and they don't take up a seat that their mother doesn't.
Fail, no it's not *then, then is referring to a time period or a sequence of events such as "First I went to the store then I went to work." Than refers to comparative statements...such as the one OP used.
if you're going to the hospital when the baby is about to be born though, i think it would be okay for a pregnant person to want to go there faster. but i still agree with OP
If a woman is in full labor and about to give birth, there is no way she would be able to drive. Somebody else would have to be in the car driving her, meaning there really would be more than one person in the car, so she would be able to use the HOV lane.
(Mz. Anonymous): Carpool lane, you have to have more than one person in the car to allowed drive in that lane. A few people have explained it already...
I hate the thought of abortion but I think it just be acceptable in some cases. Like if it will kill the mother, all deformed like 3 arms or 2 heads... you know something extreme. But if the mother is irresponsible and the baby is perfectly healthy there is no reason for abortion. There could be like an abortion court or something where the mother needs to get 5 legit doctors to sign and say this will harm the mother or something extreme is wrong with the baby and like the abortion judge will decide whether abortion will be needed. Make sense?? Just an idea..
Stupid idea. That's not the point of abortion. The point of abortion is so women won't have to carry a child they don't want for nine months.
Not allowing them to have an abortion will likely make a lot of people desperate to the point where they will have dangerous illegal ones or where they will harm the baby before/after it's born.
Before 3 months, it's a bit hard to tell whether or not the baby will be fucked up or not, also.
are you kidding? You just called a CHILD a parasite? And then you said someone living in your kitchen. Wow. Last time I checked, you kind of invited that baby in by being irresponsible and having sex even though you didn't want a child. And once the kid is born, they're living in your house taking your food, just like a man in your kitchen. Can you just kill them off too?
Seriously, you're ridiculous.
So...if you're on birth control AND you're using condoms AND only have one partner you're being irresponsible and deserve to have a child because you're having sex, despite the fact that you love each other and just aren't ready to have a child?
I clearly defined parasite, and it seems to me that a fetus fits very nicely into that definition. Perhaps you have an alternate definition?
And ignoring the fact that you implied sex should only be for procreation, I did say earlier that abortion is about removing the baby, not killing it. If there is a chance it could survive outside the womb then labour should be induced and every effort made to keep the baby alive. Once the baby is born, then obviously killing them would NOT be equivalent to abortion. Who are we to force someone to sustain someone else in their body for nine months?
also the mother is still perfectly capable of attaining nutrients in MOST cases (just so you don't start talking about the one in a billion times it doesn't). Its not like there is a tape worm inside of you starving and killing you, this is what nature intended for pregnancy. Babies, children, fetuses, whatever you want to call them are NOT parasites.
Parasites do not necessarily kill their host, in fact in many cases they don't even harm them. Parasites get all their sustenance from their host and so would be hurt themselves if the host died. If we are using the definition of parasite that I offered above, then an unborn fetus is most definitely a parasite.
Its extremely ignorant to say the mother 'made a mistake' getting pregnant. Even with precautions, it happens. If she obviously took the precautions (birth control, condoms) and they failed that shouldn't mean she has to suffer. Its her choice. No really, argue all you want, by LAW abortion is her choice. That's the bottom line.
I don't think they should be allowed to drive in HOV lane just because they are prego. but I don't think they should be driving while pregnant at all. I believe in the double homicide thing though.
...What? So do you think a fetus IS a person, or ISN'T? You just contradicted yourself, you can't be on both sides. Well okay, you can, but it just doesn't make sense.
(A Person :)): Abortion is murder, they aren't an extra passenger though. A pregnant woman doesn't buy two plane tickets. That is ridiculous. So is the HOV excuse.
If she's at the point where it's not safe to drive it's definitely not safe to work. If she has to get somewhere someone will take her there. If she has no one then she'll take the risk of driving. I said I didn't think they should drive with safety in mind. But there are emergencies.
Double homicides anyone? What about that.
post it
done. let's have 'em homepaged at the same time.
I like the assertiveness. Well done.
damn...oh well..
i mean, really, a pro-choice post of the day. i'm a little pissed at that one
I couldn't agree more
I love you.
Why? This site its to express ideas. The wittier the better. Just because you don't agree with it, it doesn't mean it automatically can't be chosen as post of the day.
abortion is clearly going to be controversial. if today is pro-choice, tomorrow better be pro-life, I believe the site is for users to post opinions yes, but, not for the administrator to push his beliefs, unless that's what he wants to do. Well that's unprofessional.
Come back with something funny, and maybe he'll post it. You can't get something for nothing.
Oh and btw, if you really believe the admin is unprofessional than.. you don't have to be on his site. Took him a long time to create this site so that people like you can enjoy it. And he can't stand up for something that he believes in?
Wow.
I understand its his site, I'm just saying taking a side like that won't get you anywhere, unless you only want pro-choice users, which is silly. Nobody is forcing me to be here, but I do like the site, I just think it'd be best not to have a biased post as post of the day, that's all.
I think we should all just step back a little here and remember that this is not a serious post. We can have serious discussions on the comments if we want, but the original post was intended as a joke. I hope.
If this post was blatantly pro-life, you wouldn't have given a damn, or complain a thing.
Everyone always takes different sides. It's almost impossible NOT to have a biased post of the day.
i guess that's understandable, yeah i assumed you were pro-choice, but if its potd because of the "humor", i mean it really is just a joke i suppose that's reasonable.
Get the fuck over it.
If you don't like the post of the day, then ignore it.
No one wants to read you bitch about how pro-life you are and how because this POTD if about one thing, the next POTD should balance this one out.
GTFO or STFU.
Dude you need to chill. She's allowed to state her opinion, just like the person who posted the original post did.
Don't tell her the "get the fuck over it." If you disliked what she said, then why dont YOU ignore it?
Your funny. No one wants to read you bitch at others for bitching:D
You can't deny that at conception, the embryo is alive. It may only be alive in the sense that any other single-celled organism can be called alive, but it is a living thing. It is also human as it has human DNA, and is this DNA is a mixture of the mother's and father's, but identical to neither, it must be a unique living human.
Having said this, I fully support abortion for any reason, and as late as the mother wishes. The only exception is if the doctor determines the baby has a chance of surviving outside of the womb, in which case labour must be induced or a c-section given if that is what the mother asks for. I don't think we can force anyone to have another person growing inside of them, stealing their food, messing with their hormones and permanently changing their body, but when we refuse people abortions that is what we are doing.
I do not think women should get abortions for stupid reasons. I do think they should be able to get abortions for stupid reasons.
I totally agree with you. Well said.
See, you're clever! (unlike some people, probably including me :P) :) I agree with you completely. I think... :)
i agree with the whole thing about having a choice. but if your having an abortion over something really stupid or if its your like 5th time having one then honestly woman start using some f***ing contraceptives or just stop having sex
Stop having sex!?! Not an option :P
a life begins at conception, even if they are not ableto talk or walk around
its okay, clearly this post is a joke considering everbody knows you can't put a baby in the womb in a seat, the real reason for this law.
try again.
No, no, no, no, no. Do not speak in that tone of voice to Anthony.
I would never! Check the @# again, its to anonymous.
I feel like a douche now :)
this post didn't prove or disprove anything it is a joke
you know that if you kill the woman pregnant. Then its a double homocide.
..
destroys this post
Only recently was it regarded to be killing two people if you killed a pregnet women and after a lot of dicussion. Before, you had only killed one.
who cares if it was only recently? Roe v Wade was pretty darn recent but that doesnt stop anyone. Only recently, could we inforce the borders thanks to arizona law.
Whether it is recent or not, it does not matter at all.
Please tell me you do not approve of the Arizona law- it's complete stereotyping
you get off subject very quickly, like a bunny. No, But i was saying that even though the law is recent.. Doesnt mean it cannot be enforced.
But to answer your question i am indiferent to the law. I think illegals are actually good because they take the jobs lazy americans dont want and they have great food. But they dont pay taxes. so idk.. doesnt matter to me really.
Dang, I'm pro choice but this is just low.
For everyone hear saying that abortion isn't murder. You are dead wrong. The human declaration of independence clearly states that everyone has the right to life, and that fetus is becoming a human and you have just dined him/her their right to life, and that is just plain wrong.
Meh, i know, but you get what i mean.
Um, here denied
Parasite: noun, an organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense.
Sound familiar? If someone breaks into my home, camps in my living room and eats all my food I'm pretty sure I have the right to kick him out.
Yeah, but you DON'T have the right to kill them. Abortion is KILLING the baby, not just kicking it out
Just because it's called a fetus doesn't mean it's not a person. Fetus, baby, toddler, teenager, adult- they all referr to humans; they're just different names for it.
No, because sperm (or eggs) alone cannot form a child.
I agree shannon that life begins at conception, but I also support any and all abortions. I cbf typing it out again, but here's why: http://www.amirite.net/153464/347794
I can totally understand what you're saying because- yes, we are forcing the mother to go through many difficult things against her will, yet if you look at it from the opposite side, we can't simply take away the life of the child in order to accomodate the mother. The mother (aside from rape, obviously) made the mistake of getting pregnant; the child has done nothing. Therefore it seems fit that the mother should be the one to suffer the consequences, rather than the child.
Actually the child hasn't done nothing, it is stealing and trespassing. It cannot know this of course, but it is.
Even if the mother chose to get pregnant and then changed her mind, I would still support abortion. It's her body and she can do whatever she wants with it.
If I invite a man into my home and tell him he can stay for 9 months, but then change my mind, I can call the cops if he refuses to leave, correct? I didn't sign anything and it's my house.
When we abort a baby we are killing it, but if it had a chance of surviving outside the womb we wouldn't (or shouldn't) be aborting it in the first place, so it seems a moot point to me.
But think about it this way- in the US, parents can't kick out their children before they turn 18. They had the child, and welcomed it into their home- and if they change their mind about it, they have the stick it out until they turn 18.
The same goes with pregnancy. You chose to get pregnant, now you can't "kick" the child out (so to speak) before they're ready to be born. You have to wait it out for nine months, then you can put the child up for adoption.
A child under the age of 18 is not ready to live in the real world without the support of their parent. A fetus cannot live outside of the mother's womb, therefore the same law should apply.
I'm not familiar with the intricacies of American law, but can't you give kids up for adoption?
Yess, you can certainly give them up for adoption at any time under 18, but you can't kick them out and leave them with nowhere to go, and no way to survive. (as abortion does to a fetus.)
I think that a parent should be able to give up their child at any time. Once the child is born they have the ability to survive without the mother, and so there is a duty to at least take the time to send them to an adoption agency. But early in a pregnancy the child cannot. If it were possible (as I'm sure it will be eventually) to take a fetus from the womb and artificially keep it alive and developing then I would support the mandatory use of this, but as this technology doesn't exist we aren't left with many options.
Parents disown their kids all the time in the US... The kids are usually old enough to go to the homeless youth places by themselves or stay with friends though.
Or different stages, rather
what its called matters not. But it is alive.. And to kill something alive is in fact murder.
The difference is in the intent of the mother. The mother doesn't get an abortion to kill the baby, she gets one because she doesn't want the baby inside her anymore. If there is any chance that the baby could live outside the womb then the doctor should induce early labour and not abort it. The baby has the right to a chance at life, but the mother has the right to have control and ownership of her own body. Who are we to force someone to sustain a parasite in their body for nine months.
It is legal to kill someone who broke into your house, because you have just cause for thinking that they will try to hurt you. You can't kill them if they are on their way out though... well at least where I live
This post is kind of stupid....a fetus counts as a person. But they can't drive in the carpool lane because only one seat is being used.
bad grammar is bad
Bad bad. If you're going to complain about someone else's grammar, make sure yours is good first.
I'm pretty sure that was the point of the comment, they were making fun of the grammar.
I'm sorry, but if you think you get to ride in the HOV lane just because you're pregnant, than someone needs to mow your ego. You're pregnant, you're not a goddess. One person is in the car, and one person is getting out. Pregnant women don't buy two airplane tickets.
Lol I love the pro lifers who say stop having sex. Virgins much? Sex is natural beautiful and healthy. Just cuz you don't want or aren't ready for a child doesn't by far mean you should stop having sex. Lol!
Lol yeah cuz having sex is sooooo irresponsible right? Fucking ignorant ass virgins.
wow...dont be afraid to let it all out there.
anyway...great discussion. for all those who don't get why this is an argument, i just wanted to say that wouldn't argument be the point of this site? i mean seriously, post your opinon and see what others think about it...but get pissed off everytime someone disagrees. uhm...i think not.
so keep up the good work everybody...and i loved that really long one, great explanation. i totally agree!
it does the same for e conjoined twins
Conjoined twins aren't people, they're mutations.
they're people.
what are you talking about?!?!?!?! of course conjoined twins are people!!!!! >=I
Any living being that is more than a single celled organism is a mutation. All people are mutations.
Okay this is a truly dumb post.
They are still people, they just aren't passengers. They don't require more than one person to move them around and they don't take up a seat that their mother doesn't.
But according to this they're not people.
what's HOV?
you're so smart
whoa! where's that at?
Life begins at conception (as a bunch of cells are living things), but is it human life?
(Ron Paul): Our souls is wht seperates us from other living things and every human has one from conception
What makes humans so special?
(Ron Paul): Not yet
*then
Fixed.
add a comma, too, plz
got it.
:D that's so nice of you
Fail, no it's not *then, then is referring to a time period or a sequence of events such as "First I went to the store then I went to work." Than refers to comparative statements...such as the one OP used.
Here's a helpful little website for more information on how wrong you are.
http://grammartips.homestead.com/than.html
lol epic fail, it's THEN
"than" is comparison, as in "elephant is bigger than you"
"then" has multiple meanings, "i'll call you then" "you go eat and then go to bed" and also "if x is this, then y is this"
That would be a minor fail. Stop over using "epic fail" people.
i only said epic fail because he made an error while correcting someone else's "fail"
i couldn't just say fail again
then you have a very warped perception of what life is...
I just find this very funny, abortion discussion aside.
if you're going to the hospital when the baby is about to be born though, i think it would be okay for a pregnant person to want to go there faster. but i still agree with OP
If a woman is in full labor and about to give birth, there is no way she would be able to drive. Somebody else would have to be in the car driving her, meaning there really would be more than one person in the car, so she would be able to use the HOV lane.
You know... If a man kills a pregnant woman. He gets charged with 2 murders. So that throws this post in the trash.
Wow. This was a joke! Obviously no one actually uses this as a legitimate argument for abortion rights. Get over yourselves.
you tell 'em! haha
thats probably the worst argument i've heard.
and i dont think the website should make any pro-choice or pro-life posts of the day
It doesn't matter what you think they're still going to happen
websites shouldnt be biased.
I know but what can you do...
well considering that this site is all about sharing opinions, thats what i am doing. Dont hate.
I'm not, what makes you think I was
cause you have a bunch of haterade in your frig.
Get over it. <3
Get off the site or stop bitching.
@350396 (anon): thank you
HOV means...?
(Mz. Anonymous): Carpool lane, you have to have more than one person in the car to allowed drive in that lane. A few people have explained it already...
*here
I hate the thought of abortion but I think it just be acceptable in some cases. Like if it will kill the mother, all deformed like 3 arms or 2 heads... you know something extreme. But if the mother is irresponsible and the baby is perfectly healthy there is no reason for abortion. There could be like an abortion court or something where the mother needs to get 5 legit doctors to sign and say this will harm the mother or something extreme is wrong with the baby and like the abortion judge will decide whether abortion will be needed. Make sense?? Just an idea..
Stupid idea. That's not the point of abortion. The point of abortion is so women won't have to carry a child they don't want for nine months.
Not allowing them to have an abortion will likely make a lot of people desperate to the point where they will have dangerous illegal ones or where they will harm the baby before/after it's born.
Before 3 months, it's a bit hard to tell whether or not the baby will be fucked up or not, also.
Okay...
are you kidding? You just called a CHILD a parasite? And then you said someone living in your kitchen. Wow. Last time I checked, you kind of invited that baby in by being irresponsible and having sex even though you didn't want a child. And once the kid is born, they're living in your house taking your food, just like a man in your kitchen. Can you just kill them off too?
Seriously, you're ridiculous.
So...if you're on birth control AND you're using condoms AND only have one partner you're being irresponsible and deserve to have a child because you're having sex, despite the fact that you love each other and just aren't ready to have a child?
I clearly defined parasite, and it seems to me that a fetus fits very nicely into that definition. Perhaps you have an alternate definition?
And ignoring the fact that you implied sex should only be for procreation, I did say earlier that abortion is about removing the baby, not killing it. If there is a chance it could survive outside the womb then labour should be induced and every effort made to keep the baby alive. Once the baby is born, then obviously killing them would NOT be equivalent to abortion. Who are we to force someone to sustain someone else in their body for nine months?
also the mother is still perfectly capable of attaining nutrients in MOST cases (just so you don't start talking about the one in a billion times it doesn't). Its not like there is a tape worm inside of you starving and killing you, this is what nature intended for pregnancy. Babies, children, fetuses, whatever you want to call them are NOT parasites.
Parasites do not necessarily kill their host, in fact in many cases they don't even harm them. Parasites get all their sustenance from their host and so would be hurt themselves if the host died. If we are using the definition of parasite that I offered above, then an unborn fetus is most definitely a parasite.
That's the stupidest thing i have ever heard. That's a terrible thing to say.
Its extremely ignorant to say the mother 'made a mistake' getting pregnant. Even with precautions, it happens. If she obviously took the precautions (birth control, condoms) and they failed that shouldn't mean she has to suffer. Its her choice. No really, argue all you want, by LAW abortion is her choice. That's the bottom line.
Pro lifers can argue it all they want, the law stays the same :)
I don't think they should be allowed to drive in HOV lane just because they are prego. but I don't think they should be driving while pregnant at all. I believe in the double homicide thing though.
...What? So do you think a fetus IS a person, or ISN'T? You just contradicted yourself, you can't be on both sides. Well okay, you can, but it just doesn't make sense.
(A Person :)): Abortion is murder, they aren't an extra passenger though. A pregnant woman doesn't buy two plane tickets. That is ridiculous. So is the HOV excuse.
If she's at the point where it's not safe to drive it's definitely not safe to work. If she has to get somewhere someone will take her there. If she has no one then she'll take the risk of driving. I said I didn't think they should drive with safety in mind. But there are emergencies.
abortion is wrong. PRO LIFE!
WHATS HOV??????
good point! you have thwarted life begins at conception!