Hate me all you want, but you're only gonna be pro-life until you're in a situation where you might have to become pro-choice, amirite?

dude, the only people voting

are those who are pro-choice. Pro life, means YOU don't believe in killing babies. End of story, if I get knocked up by any circumstances, I am not valuing my life over another's.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Just because I'm pro-choice doesn't mean that I agree with abortion. Idiot.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Idiot? Okay, well what is your view on PRO CHOICE? What does it mean to you, because by definition, pro-choice means you believe it is the pregnant women's choice to decide what she wants to do with the baby. Abortion or not. Therefore, you do not frown upon her if abortion is chosen.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I believe that is a women's choice. What to do with HER body, HER baby, HER life. It's not MY life, so I'm not going to tell her what to do with HER life.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

give it up for adoption then. dont kill an innocent child. it did nothing wrong. the mother did.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

So, if an 11, 12 year old girl gets raped, it's her fault? And she should give birth, even though it will ruin her life?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Maybe ruin her life, but she won't die for it, like the child will.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

don't be stupid it's not a child. it's a fetus. it's like how people eat eggs. they take the egg from the mom and it doesn't grow and people eat it.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Okay first of all, we eat chickens that are already born and grown. That point is not valid. Also, it IS a real person. It is scientifically proven that the child is living.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

but i wasn't comparing to chicken, i was comparing to eggs. the point is that it's a fetus, it can't feel or anything and it's not your decision. it's theirs. you can dislike it all you want but you ca never truly understand it until you are in that situation.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

but yes, if you were wondering it is valid that we eat chickens, but that isn't my point. i'm talking about eggs.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You were saying that we eat chickens before they're born/hatched, correct? WEll we eat chickens either way... Eggs are unhatched chickens.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Therefore, comparing it to anything involving chickens, eggs or not, is not a true comparison. Comparing animals to people isn't a true comparison.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

people are animals.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

But killing animals is okay. Killing people isn't.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

ok your mom could have had an abortion. you would have been dead and your her child. you might not be here. but its ok. nobody talked her out of it and it was her choice! so its all good!!! NOT!

by Anonymous 14 years ago

if i was going to be a threat to my mother's health in being born i would not want to be born. and you can't just assume my mom was in the situation to abort: she was luckily in a great relationship married for some years and already had a stable financial situation.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

if her health was an issue then thats ok. IF she might die from it and it NEEDS to be performed im fine with it. but tthe point im trying to make is she had the choice but didnt. im against healthy people who can have the child who dont want it. not the baby's fault. the mothers. she knew it could happen she took the risk. she killed and innocent baby

by Anonymous 14 years ago

The chicken eggs we eat never had the chance to be born once they are laid because the eggs we eat were never fertilized. We eat chicken periods, not chicken fetuses.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Lets say that you have a daughter. She is 12, and was gang raped. A dew weeks later, it is found out that she is pregnant. All it is is a bunch of cells. No heartbeat, no ability to feel pain, and doesn't even look human. She asks you to sign papers allowing her to get an abortion. Would you still value that bundle of cells over your daughter?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

i dont want to teach my child that killing a baby because you dont want it is ok. read my senario below. although it wasnt her choise and it was by forse i still believe in the basic message of not killing others

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Then you're a heartless person. I hope that something like that never happens to you because of what your daughter would have to go through because of your narrow-mindedness.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

think about it. you are teaching a child it is OK TO KILL

by Anonymous 14 years ago

this argument is so stupid, its not even funny.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

im not trying to be. im trying to show people that just because the baby is not born, doesn't mean its not alaive

by Anonymous 14 years ago

For the first 3 weeks, it nothing but an undifferentiated ball of cells, much like a tumour. Just because it has a recombinant DNA does not mean it is a living entity. It becomes living when it becomes viable.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

@342679 (Shinsou): Most people dont realize they are pregnant in the first three weeks.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

If the daughter isn't at risk, then why can't the child be born, and then given up for adoption? Then no one is killed or harmed?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

no one is killed in abortion (depending on if it;s legal) a lot of times it is a risk to the mother's life to give birth to the child.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

No one is killed? That child is ALIVE. A child is alive from the moment is it conceived.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

First, the child IS killed. I said if the daughter is NOT at risk. I understand if it means that the daughter would be seriously injured or killed. And that is not true that a lot of the time the mother is at risk. That is a very small percentage.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Maybe health-wise, carrying and giving birth to the baby won't harm her. Although if she's twelve, chances are that's not the case. But suppose it is: there is no doubt that carrying and having the baby will harm her emotionally far more than terminating the pregnancy would. You would be partially at fault for the severe emotional damage that would come with having that baby and the nine months during which she would not be able to escape what happened to her for more than a second.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

No one is killed? That child is alive. That child is innocent. Killing something that is innocent and alive is called murder. And murder is a form of killing. Someone just got killed. I am pro life, but there are exceptions, I agree with that point. If the mother is in jeopardy, things need to be discussed..

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Sorry about that double post. My first post had a lag, and I didn't think it came up.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

and another thing. i would rather let my child learn not to kill. im not heartless. YOU ARE heartless for even wanting to kill an INNOCENT CHILD. unfortunately people let people kill others. i disapprove

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Look, it's really not just a bunch of cells. However, i'm not going to get upset or despise a person who gets an abortion because of rape, but let's be honest less than 2% of abortions occur because of rape! TWO PERCENT, yet pro-choicers love that argument. I believe murder is > rape, but like i said before, i'm not going to judge you. If that did occur to a child of mine, I would explain to her my beliefs, and giver her the choice, granted that their would be no complications if she decided to give birth.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

There are millions of abortions every year. That two percent adds up.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Technically, it's one percent, i figured i give it leeway and call it two. Regardless, that means 98% of abortions occur because of carelessness. Funny, how the rape argument always comes up.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

So you're pro-choice then?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

not once did i say that, if you read any of my arguments you'd see i am extremely pro-life. things i did say: if you get raped, i'm not going to call you a horrible person for aborting it. if my child gets raped i'd explain that getting an abortion would be killing the baby growing inside of them.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

"If that did occur to a child of mine, I would explain to her my beliefs, and giver her the choice" CHOICE! Pro-choice does NOT = pro abortion! It means that the decision isn't the government's to make. If you would give your daughter the choice, you are pro-choice.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Don't tell me what I am and what I am not. Scratch that, I am whatever you say I am if I wasn't than why would I say I am? No. I am pro-life. I am 100% for making abortion illegal, with maybe the exception of rape. I despise those who use it as a form of birth control.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You should stop trying to impose your beliefs on others and respect their choice. Your statement of making abortion illegal is like me saying that just because I think killing animals just to eat them is wrong, we should make that illegal too.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Irrelevant. You eat animals to survive not as a game.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Impose my beliefs? No, I'm simply defending them. Somebody told me I was pro-choice. Nooo, I am Pro-Life. I am sorry that I am not even allowed to choose a side in your eyes.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

GAH stop twisting my words! I simply said that, even if you think abortion is wrong and you personally would never do it, that if you think other people should have the choice to (as you CLEARLY said your hypothetical daughter would!). Which is pro-choice, like it or not.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I never twisted your words..Anyways, yeah you could say I have a pro-choice view when it comes to rape. Understanding that I still believe its horribly wrong, but who am I to criticize that situation on a kid. However, i'll say it again, I still believe murder is a greater crime than rape.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

So after your child goes through one of the most horrible things a person can go through, you would guilt-trip her for terminating the pregnancy?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

yes, yes i would. two wrongs don't make a right.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You realize that you would be basically torturing your child. For one thing, she would feel like her own mother didn't understand the devastation of what she had gone through. More importantly, for the next nine months, she wouldn't be able to forget what happened to her for more than a second. She would not be able to begin her recovery until those nine months are over, and even then, the process will be even harder than it would be if she had terminated. In that situation, the RIGHT thing to do is to put your personal feelings aside and tell your daughter that you will support her no matter what her decision is, no if, ands, or buts.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You say that because you don't consider a fetus a baby. To ME the right thing to do is give that child its life. That child is at no blame for any misdoings. Yes "my child" would be going through hard times but I'm saying abortion would not solve those problems anyway.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

First of all, "hard times" is the understatement of the century. You're minimizing her sufferings by even saying that, because you don't want to face the fact that you are exacerbating the extreme pain she has already had to go to. Of course abortion wouldn't solve those problems. Nothing could. But it would significantly lessen her pain. Your daughter would need you to be there for her. SHE is the one who needs you. The EMBRYO-- yes, at the point we are discussing, it is not yet even a fetus-- is not a "child", as you say. Your daughter is a child. She is a living, breathing person, and you are choosing the cluster of cells inside her over her.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

And this is where our discussion will end since I believe life begins at conception. Neither of us can prove the other wrong. Numerous studies have been done on both sides of the argument. See to me, one scenerio includes a murder (abortion) and that disgusts me, therefore we can never and will never agree. I believe life begins at conception because you can't tell me that if my parents had chosen abortion I wasn't a life. When do you want to call it a life? When it gets a heartbeat? At 'x' weeks? When were you a life?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Whether or not you think life begins at conception, you are choosing the "life" inside your daughter over your daughter herself. Nothing changes that fact.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Right...because I think two lives are more important than one.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

But that's not how it will feel to your daughter. It will feel as if you are choosing the embryo's life OVER hers. Let me quote you: "I believe life begins at conception". The key word there is "believe". You think that the embryo is a "child" who needs you to step it up and stick up for it, but you KNOW your daughter is that. You know for a fact, it is clear as day, that she is there, and she is alive, and more than anything she needs to know her mother understands the severity of what she's gone through. You would be turning your back on your own daughter in favor of something you THINK is child who needs you.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

A child is alive from the moment it is conceived. This has been proven. No, it can't feel, think or do anything. But it's alive. and killing something that is alive is murder.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Would you want to be friends with somone who doesn't think? Would you want to take care of and be in charge of someone with little to no intelligent thoughts? There is already a cutoff date at which people may not legally (in the US) abort after a baby's brainwaves are detected. It's not a person; it's a possibility of a person. And if you think it's wrong to kill the possibility of a person, then if you're a guy don't masterbate and if you're a girl get pregnant so that you'll never be menstrual.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

That argument had no point. It doesn't think when it is in the womb is what I was saying. Once it is born, and grows, yes, it will think, and feel, and do many things. Did you just try to tell me that a baby is not a person? A person is made of an egg and a sperm when it is created. That is what is in that womb. an egg and a sperm. It is a person in the making, and it is real, and it is alive.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

It does not have readable brainwaves. It is the possibility of a person. Your logic, and therefore opinion, has no point.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Of course it doesn't have readable brainwaves. It doesn't think, it isn't completely developed to the extent it can think. It can't think when it is born either. It's gonna take a while for a child to actually be able to make a plausible thought that means something. There is no possibility. That fetus IS a person. It is the making of a person, and that person is developing from the second it was conceived.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

The making of a person. So you believe that sperm and eggs are the making of a person? Then, as I've said, you would think that menstruation is wrong.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

....Sperm and eggs are the making of a person. Have you not been through sex ed yet? Sperm and egg are the exact make up of a person. A woman has an egg, and a man has a sperm. They come together in the womb, and create a person. So, yes, anon, I do "believe that". Menstruation has nothing to do with sex, and pregnancy except that it's a warning of pregnancy.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Okay that's not the possibility of a person that's the issue. The issue is when a person is already created when a sperm and egg combine. Once the baby is conceived, it is alive, therefore it is no longer a possibility, it is a reality.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Thank you.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You're welcome. And they say we're narrow-minded...

by Anonymous 14 years ago

But I would say that thinking and feeling are what is essential to be "human." So, no, a fetus is not a human.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

That is not true. Even babies after they are born don't think or feel for awhile. So then you would also be arguing that a new born is not a human.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

-.- I'm pretty sure newborn babies feel.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

No, newborn babies do think and feel even inside the womb. There's proof that babies respond to a mothers voice, touch, sounds (music, vacuum, talking, dogs barking etc) and vibrations even before birth. Babies cry for their mothers because they feel, and think.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

When that human is fully developed, yes. When it is in the womb, it's developing those thoughts and feelings and the abilities to do those things.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

So killing anything that's alive is murder? By that logic, cutting down a tree is murder.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

No, killing a PERSON is murder.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

VERY well-said, although abortion clinics don't require girls to get permission or even tell their parents if they want to get an abortion. This is because some parents might physically abuse their child (or worse) if they found out she got an abortion, so for some girls telling their parents can be dangerous to them. At least, that's the law where I live. It might be different in your state/country. I totally agree with the point you were making, though!

by Anonymous 14 years ago

it was YOUR CHOISE to take the risk of having a child before marriage but then you want to commit MURDER?? Yes, the baby is still in the womb BUT there is still a heart beating inside of you. you took the risk now you have to take the consequences. although i disapprove of secret life and teen mom, both of the shows are showing that you should be pro-life and not kill the baby. and they are showing you the consequences of if you take the risk. YOUR MOM had the option to have an abortion. she didnt. if she did you wouldnt be here right now would you?? she had the choise to KILL YOU but she didnt want to. abortions are MURDERS within the womb. IF YOU DONT WANT A BABY DONT HAVE SEX!!!!! EVEN WITH CONDOMS AND BIRTH CONTROL YOU CAN STILL GET PREGNANT!!! i dont want to risk that... nor do i want MY CHILD. MY OWN FLESH BLOOD AND GENES to DIE!!!!! Thats my point of veiw on this.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Choice * Before you start to criticize people, learn to spell.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

She made her point, though.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

she has no point.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Just because she misspelled something? Just because she has a different opinion of you? That's awful, you need to be more open minded.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

im typing hard and fast. im very very ANGRY with society today because they will kill innocent children. im sorry my speling iz moore impertent thin o shilds life

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Not all abortions happen before marriage. (It's true that most do, but not all.) Are you saying that married couples who don't want children should never get to have sex?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

vasectomy, tubes died, birth control.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

*tied

by Anonymous 14 years ago

But birth control sometimes fails. Hence, unwanted pregnancy. Just because a couple got pregnant unintentionally doesn't mean they are irresponsible hyper-sexed slutty maniacs.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Birth control is not 100% effective. Getting a vasectomy and getting your tubes tied are permanent. Some couples aren't ready for children when they're first married, but they want to have children later on in their marriage.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Okay, but if the woman gets pregnant, and she is married, but they aren't ready for a child, then has an abortion, it's possible she wont get pregnant again, and they will never have a child. They can always put the child up for adoption, and wait til a later time, or keep he baby when it comes.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

They could. But that's the couple's decision. It's not up to you or me or anyone else.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

It's up to the government when someone kills another person the second after it comes out of the womb, so why not before?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Because when parents make the decision to keep the baby, it means they have also made the decision to love and care for the baby no matter what happens. Even if they make the decision to put the baby up for adoption, they have agreed to live with the pregnancy for nine months, only to have to give the baby up as soon as it is born. Sometimes, the parents just can't handle either of those things. I'm not saying abortion should be an "easy way out" for people who don't want kids. Abortion isn't easy, period. But sometimes, living with the guilt of having an abortion is easier than living with an unwanted pregancy or baby.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

(RainaDeArdilla):@342576 (JustASmallTownGirl): So why can't they make that decision when it does happen? What's the difference between this baby and another? They are both a creation of the two parents, they're a part of both of them. You're saying it's okay to choose which baby you want? Damn, you mind as well be choosing it's traits as well.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

No, I'm saying that if a couple isn't ready for a baby, they should wait until they feel ready to have one. They should take all the necessary precautions to reduce the risk of having a baby before they're ready. But if they do get pregnant, they shouldn't have to go through with the pregnancy if they aren't ready for it. That's all I'm saying.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Exactly, so just because the guy had extremely fast swimmers or the girl was very fertile and there was an oopsie that means they should just abort it because they weren't ready? My husband and I took the precautions, the precautions failed. We were planning on having children in the future but he came a little sooner than we planned we weren't by any means going to abort him because he was stronger than the other ones. Isn't that a reason not to abort? I mean freaking A if that sperm got past all of those contraceptives isn't that telling you something? That kid's going to be someone amazing. Oh wait, you just killed the next Einstein who was going to find the cure for cancer, because you weren't "ready".

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Well I think the guilt of killing a baby would be greater than the guilt of giving it to a family to love and care for it. And if they would rather give their love and care to a child just because it was born, say 2 years later, that's wrong.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Look, I'm not saying it's the right decision. If I were in that situation, I'd probably keep the baby or at least put it up for adoption. But I can only make that decision for myself. If someone decides to have an abortion for that reason (or any other reason) it's their decision, not mine.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Government has a say in the murder of people as soon as they leave the womb, then why don't they have a say before then?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Because many people, including me, don't believe that a baby inside of the womb is really a person. Until a baby can live independently outside of the mother, it's the mother's decision what to do with it.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

That's what you want for YOUR future child. Who gave you the right to force your beliefs onto someone else?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

following that logic people who want to kill other because they hate a feature can because its their choice and you shouldnt interfere with it

by Anonymous 14 years ago

If you don't want a baby, take the precautions. Simple as that.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I am pro choice because I don't believe it is MY right to take away another woman's ability to legally have an abortion, because it is HER choice and not MINE. I do not agree that abortion is the best option but I am pro choice because I want women to be able to legally and safely obtain an abortion for themselves, whereas if it was illegal, a woman might harm herself or the fetus by trying to abort herself. That does not mean that I agree with abortion.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Then you can just as easily say it's legal for someone else to commit murder because it's not your life. It's a real live person inside of that woman, and killing him/her is MURDER. But whatever, it's not you who was killed, right?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I didn't say I believe it's ok because she's screwing up her life, not mine. I believe it is ok because it's her body, and I do no have the right to choose whether or not a woman can OBTAIN an abortion, not whether or not she should get one. I do not believe in abortion, but as I said, I believe it should be legal, I am pro-choice, because if it is not legal, the woman can still try to perform an abortion, which is harmful to her. Also, there are some medical reasons for getting abortions, and I believe if abortion was illegal those women would not be getting the medical care that they need. This does not mean in any way that I agree with murder, and I also do not agree with abortion.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I stated in another post that if the baby is harming the mother medically, then an abortion is okay, because chances are, without it, both of them would die. But I believe that an abortion, by a doctor or not, should not be legal.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I respect that, because I do not agree with abortion, as I've stated, but I do not feel it is MY right to take that option away from anyone else and I feel it SHOULD be legal because otherwise a woman could attempt abortion and harm herself.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

But that's murder whether it's performed by a doctor or not!

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Do not get into this sarcastic tone. Do not think that your morals are better than anyone else's. That is rude and uncalled for.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I'm completely serious. And you are totally ignoring my point. If abortion is okay, then murder is okay. That is what you're saying.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Just to be clear, I did not say that.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Then what's the difference? They are both people. Living people.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You yourself said it was ok for medical reasons. How is that even different? It's still "murder."

by Anonymous 14 years ago

(Anonymous):@343997 (Rach_El): Sometimes lives are taken, tossing around the term 'murder' will not stop them from having abortions. However, if abortion was not legal, that does not mean there would be no abortion, no murder, because there would still be abortions performed illegally. That's all I was trying to say

by Anonymous 14 years ago

@342104 (JustASmallTownGirl): @342099 (notjustanothergirl): You don't have to be pro-choice for someone else, that's why they're given a choice. It's about what YOU are; not what you are for someone else.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I'm only pro choice for someone else because I would not choose abortion for myself. That does not mean I don't want to take away the ability to get a legal abortion.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I messed up my wording, stupid me. *That does not mean I want abortion to be illegal. I am pro choice because I want it to remain legal.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I mean, is pregnancy really bad enough that you're willing to take away someone's life? You're going through 9 months of inconvenience to give someone 80 years of life

by Anonymous 14 years ago

That's not the only reason why people have abortions. Often the person was raped, there are medical conditions, or the person wasn't financially or otherwise supported so they couldn't raise the child, and they couldn't choose adoption, considering all the horror stories there are about foster parents, etc.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Even if the person was raped, it's still the same situation. Medical conditions for the mother is the only scenario I can see, if you're talking about the baby you never know if they can live. My teacher was told at 8 months pregnant to go to Kansas (I believe) because they allow abortions that late and her baby had no chance to live. Just a little over a year later the baby is fully healthy even if he can't play contact sports. And wouldn't you rather give the kid a chance to go to a good family through adoption rather than killing it? Even if it isn't the ideal foster family, it's still better than death, right?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Do you really think that anyone would want to adopt a child with severe edical disabilities? It's hard to find someone kind nough to adopt, at all. And all of the pro-life people who argue adoption as a point should go adopt somone.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Actually people do adopt children with disabilities, don't be so cynical

by Anonymous 14 years ago

But it is very rare, you must admit.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

No it's not, do a little research Besides, isn't any life better than death?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Say something horrifically wrong happened in the development of your fetus and you doctors told you it would be born without a brain. So it's still "living," but won't be sustained once born for very long without artificial means. Do you really think a woman deserves to go through the torture of carrying that baby to term rather than aborting it? I don't see how anyone is fit to judge whether any life is better than death, especially given the fact that you obviously come from a somewhat affluent society and aren't severly mentally handicapped.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You can't live without a brain smart one And in the story about my teacher I wrote above, her kid was born with (literally) half a heart, you can end up with a healthy child

by Anonymous 14 years ago

That's why I said "without artificial means." Maybe you should read, smart one. (And use punctuation at the end of your sentences.) And having a physical handicap is not the same as a mental hanicap. So let's say instead of the baby being born without a brain (which is possible), it would be born but permantly confined to a vegetative state.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

If you're going to correct a tiny little thing about my grammar, at least know how to use your own punctuation. First of all, if you're using parentheses, you put the period at the end up the parentheses, outside the parentheses. Thus, you have 2 periods in the wrong spot there. Second of all, you really shouldn't capitalize the first letter inside the parentheses. Third of all, you started you 2nd paragraph with "And." Don't criticize me and then make several mistakes yourself.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Unless what is in parenthesis is it's own sentence. Then the period is within. And the only people who tell you not to start a sentence with "and" are grade school teachers who don't trust their students to use it correctly, since a majority of student sentences beginning with "and" aren't full sentences.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

That's bull shit that you say people don't adopt children with disabilities you ignorant pig. My grandparents adopted FOUR children with disabilities. They are not any less human because they have a mental or physical disability you sick ignorant fool.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Rape is NOT the same story. I've witnessed someone suffer inside because she was raped, and now every time she is reminded of her pregnancy, (which is often because it DOESN'T GO AWAY) she is tortured, every move of the child is reliving her rape, and she knows that the baby could grow up with severe mental problems like it's father, who was convicted for many rapes of small children, and not to mention the girl is unstable and it is not a safe environment for her unborn child to incubate in, she endangers her fetus. Abortion was her only option.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Alright, I can see where you're coming from But it's already been said and I'll say it again, very few abortions are due to rape. What about the other 98%?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

The only stories you hear of foster parents are the bad ones, and they are very few. There is the majority of foster parents who are loving and kind to the children, and they grow up to be happy and wonderful kids.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Do you think that would matter to a mother who already doesn't want to raise a child? This means that she does not want to be pregnant, and knows that, for twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week, there is this thing inside of her that she does not want to have, invading her.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

So she has to adjust to life for 9 months so that another person can live happily for many many years? That seems fair enough to me. She doesn't have to deal with it once the child is taken for adoption.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

It's a child. It isn't invading her, that's where it was place to grow. It's not like the child decided to go into a woman just to be there. It's there for a reason. And if she doesn't want to be invaded, she shouldn't be having unprotected sex. That child is innocent. It relies on her. It can't raise itself.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I can't agree with you enough.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

:)

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Actually, condoms and birth control can fail, even when when used correctly and used together. Sometimes, little slip ups happen, it's no ones fault really.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

It's not like women get abortions so they can fit into their jeans. It's not an easy decision to make. And far more than "just" 9 months of inconvenience is the social stigma attached to getting pregnant at a young age. This girl's life could be ruined if all of her friends desert her, parents and teachers treat her like scum, etc.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Personally, if I found out my friend got an abortion, I would probably not be friends with her anymore. If she had the baby and done the responsible thing, I would never look down on her.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

What you would do is totally irrelevant to my argument (especially since it's kind of a shitty thing to do; you're still judging her).

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I never said I wouldn't judge her. Everyone makes judgments. I'm sure you judge people, too. But I'm representing other people with my same view. Not just myself. I'm sure there are people who agree with me.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Yes, I judge people, but not on decisions they make that I couldn't POSSIBLY know all the details for in a time of crisis. And I never said that people don't agree with you. But you can't argue that pregnant teens NEVER feel extremely alienated, because that would be a lie.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

When did I EVER say that? I'm sure there are teen mothers who are alienated, but you cannot argue that all of them do. And I was basing the judgment on if it happened to a friend of mine, in which case, I would know all of the details.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

People should learn to take responsibility for their actions.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I, for one, will never be "pro-choice", which just means that you agree that abortion is right. You have no right to take the life of another human being. And yes, a fetus is a human being.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I'm totally with you. By saying someone is pro-choice, that choice is murder.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

This may surprise you, but "pro-choice" people (like me) aren't pro-abortion. Everyone would be happier if there were LESS abortions, not more in the world. We just think that the decision should be between a woman and her doctor, rather than the government.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I totally see your point, but by giving someone the choice to get an abortion is giving someone the choice to murder.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Pro choice does not necessarily mean you think abortion is right, I am pro choice, but I do not agree with abortion. I am pro choice because I think abortion should be legal.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

my two cents.... its my body and my choice! and if they did make abortion illegal, then so many women would be endangering their lives doing back ally or hanger abortions in bathrooms... just let us have the choice!

by Anonymous 14 years ago

That's just it! It's not YOUR body! Yes, that child is in your body, but it has a body of IT'S OWN. It is ALIVE. I don't think it should be illegal, I just think that most of the time, the aren't even necessary and it's just the fact that people don't want the child. I agree with abortion if the mother's life is in danger, but I still don't completely like it.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

The baby's body is NOT your body. It's connected to your body through the umbilical cord, but the baby has its own everything: heart, blood, lungs, etc. I never said anything about them making it illegal. It's not necessarily a legal matter so much as a moral matter.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

yes it is my body, all that collection of cells is, is a parasite, until its born...

by Anonymous 14 years ago

It's not a parasite. Parasites, by definition, harm the host. A baby in your body is not harming your body. It's a completely natural thing. It's part of life. That's how YOU got here.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

yea thats how i got here, and my mom wanted me and tried for months to get pregnant with me... i was WANTED... not the product of some rape or one night stand

by Anonymous 14 years ago

A child is alive from the moment it was conceived. This has been proven by science. It's alive.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Science also says we evolved from apes...

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Haha, okay, I'll give you that one. and that made me smile. But, science SAYS that. There is no proof. There is actual proof that the child is alive.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

all i want is the choice... ... i wouldn't use it for birth control! i don't believe it should be used as birth control but in the event of rape, incest, complications, or other unforeseeable circumstances... i would like to have the choice! and for people not to ridicule me for that choice

by Anonymous 14 years ago

The fetus actually can harm the host. It has defenses for all the cells in the mother's body that see it as an invasion and try to kill it. Think about it, from the host's view, all the fetus does is take nutrients away from the host. The defenses of the fetus are essential so that it doesn't get killed by the host.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Thank you, i couldn't have said it better myself

by Anonymous 14 years ago

But the majority of the time, it only takes nutrients, and by eating a little healthier (which we could all afford to do) it really isn't harming the mother at all.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Where on earth did you hear that? Look, babies take nutrients from the body because that's the only choice they have. They have no say in anything from the moment of conception until they're born. God made it this way. He wouldn't make it so that the mom's body would try to kill the baby.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I learned that in my college biochemistry-for-majors class.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

While it CAN harm the mother, most of the time, it doesn't. Think of how many mothers, willing or not, are completely fine after giving birth. All of them are fine, and unharmed.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Exactly. Thank you.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Your argument makes no sense. Think of all the mothers who are fine, all of them are fine? That's like saying "60% of the time, it works every time." And think of all the mothers who are NOT fine; whose lives are put at risk due to the developing fetus. Granted, there are fewer of them, but it still happens.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You chose to do it, so take responsibility. Have you ever thought about it what it you mom decided to have an abortion. Your friends would never have an awesome friend like you. Everything, just because it may have been an inconvenience for her she took it on so you could live.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

But it's not like you would have known life in the first place, you wouldn't even be aware that life exists. So really, there would be no loss, in the sense of how we view death having been aware of life. You'd just go back to the primordial ooze from whence you came. No harm, no foul.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP! All of your arguments are irrlevent for one simple reason: Women are going to do it even if it's made illegal! The only difference is that an illegal, back alley abortion is less safe for the woman. So unless you're cruel enough that you think that women who want abortions deserve to die, just give it up already and be thankful that the federal law only allows for 1st trimester abortion!

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I don't think anyone has made the argument that it needs to be illegal. The original post wasn't about it becoming illegal.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Yeah, but if it's going to happen no matter what, why bother arguing?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I don't think it will become illegal. There's not an overwhelming scale. It's pretty even right now between the pro-life and pro-choice people. It might sometime, I don't know about soon though.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

There are some people who are going to look down on someone who had an abortion and will look down on a teen at the store with her baby. No matter what they do there is always gonna be someone looking down on them.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

so why should it matter what people think? its her life not theirs

by Anonymous 14 years ago

"It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish." ~Mother Teresa

by Anonymous 14 years ago

My mom has that same quote on a bumper sticker

by Anonymous 14 years ago

oh and why on God's Green Earth would a woman want to keep the product of a rape... rape is a traumatic experience and that baby would be a constant reminder of that...

by Anonymous 14 years ago

In that case, maybe it would be a good idea to give the baby up for adoption. There is always that option.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

but to make the woman endure those 9 god awful months of agony with memories of that horrible night... i would kill myself if i had to go through that...

by Anonymous 14 years ago

A baby's heart starts to beat after 10 days of being in their mother. From then on, they have the power to grow and turn into amazing people just like us. Why would anybody want to take that away?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I think that's the best pro-life argument on this whole post.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I'm completely pro-choice, but I don't agree with abortion in all situations. If a friend of mine got pregnant (mind you, I'm fifteen) I would definitely try to help them work out an option that did NOT involve an abortion-- adoption, helping them cope, even offering them a place to stay --but I would completely support her if that was ultimately her decision. After all, in the beginning it IS just a cluster of cells. I myself would never have an abortion, but that is my personal CHOICE and every woman deserves to be able to make that choice for herself. No, my mother clearly didn't abort me, but my mother wanted a child and was emotionally and financially ready for one when I came along-- some girls aren't. Yes, only two percent of abortions are preformed on rape victims, but don't you think a young girl-- or any girl --who was subjected to that sort of crime deserves to not have to live with that for the rest of her life? Abortion is never easy, but sometimes it's easier to live with

by Anonymous 14 years ago

that than to live with a child you do not want or going through labor to bring a child you will not keep into the world. Especially if you're young. Abortion as birth control is completely disgusting and if it was possible to make just that act illegal, I would be all for it, but other than that... it's the woman's choice, no one else's. /end rant.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

And best pro-choice argument on this whole post.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Actually a baby does harm A LOT of mothers. There really is a large amount of mothers who have complications with pregnancy. Get your facts straight. Also, a womans body DOES attack the baby. What do you think miscarriage is? Or still birth? Yeah they can be caused by other things. Also, its 10 months, not 9. 40 weeks.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Women's bodies were designed to carry children. We will have many, many complications during pregnancy. We can handle them. There are great medicines and techniques to get rid of a lot of pains or illnesses. The womans body only attacks the fetus until 2 weeks gestation because the baby could have a different blood type as the mother which would make the mother's body act as a "bodyguard", so to speak, and try to rid it of the baby. There are many different causes for miscarriages and still birth. Don't use that as an argument against abortion, that's very misleading.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

If got pregnant now, I'd have an abortion. I have a severly damaged spine/hips among other things from a car accident almost 2 years ago. My body couldn't handle pregnany or labor, but I'm still going to have sex. Doesn't make me a whore, murderer, stupid or anything else.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Have you ever seen paralyzed and pregnant? How very selfish of you to abort as a form of birth control. Get your tubes tied if you don't want kids. You can have your uterus scraped so that it's physically impossible for you to get pregnant. You would abort even if you were capable of having a child?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

What mean things to say. She never said she NEVER wanted to have children, and also said she would not be capable of carrying a child. Do you understand that some people don't want to have a child until later in life? That they have goals for themselves OTHER than having children?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I was asking her if that was the situation, not accusing.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I am pro choice because I believe it is up to the woman to decide whether or not to have the baby. Its her life. I don't think abortion is the best option, but if it isn't my baby, it isn't my decision. If the woman decides she wants and abortion and prevent a baby from living, it's up to her.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

If a teenage girl got pregnant, no matter what, she loses. She gets an abortion, people jump down her throat. She gives it up for adoption, people give her dirty looks while she's pregnant. She keeps it, she gets looked down upon and labeled a whore with a baby on her hip. For health class I had one of those electronic babies for a weekend and you wouldn't BELIEVE the dirty looks I got when I brought it out. So if people are going to look down on young mothers either way, let her have her choice.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

As a young mother myself, I do understand where you're coming from about people looking down on me and thinking I can't control myself. They don't matter to me, in fact, they make me laugh. What fools they are for thinking that their opinions about me matter to me. They don't know what kind of person I am and what kind of mother I am. Shame on you. I win, I will never lose.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I know it doesn't matter to some people, but to many people it would matter, which was basically the point I was trying to make.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

So they determine a human's fate because of popular opinion?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

When did I say that?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

All I said was that regardless of what they chose, they will be frowned upon. I never said that it was better for them to chose abortion because of that.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

But you said "I know it doesn't matter to some people but to many people it would matter." I'm assuming by that statement you are saying that some young girls would have an abortion because of how they will be seen. How is that not basing your judgement of what you should do with this life growing inside of you on what others think? Correct me if I'm wrong.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I know a lot of teenage girls would get an abortion because of that, and honestly, that saddens me. But never did I say that you SHOULD do that. You've misunderstood my point. Maybe you didn't see my other post, but I specifically said I would never suggest or have an abortion unless the mothers life was specifically in danger-- definitely not because they would be looked down upon. In the post we're talking about, I simply said that since the girl in question would be looked down on and judged regardless of her choice, it might as well be her own. She should do what she feels is best for her and, if she cares for her potential child, what is best for it. (I hope that made sense. I'm running on about four hours of sleep here.)

by Anonymous 14 years ago

No, no it makes sense. I didn't see your other post but I understand the point you're trying to make. Idk, the post I just made pretty much sums how I feel about this in the comment I made on it. Check it out if you want. That's how I feel and I guess that's that.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Nice talking to you(: Sorry for the confusion. :P

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I agree with the OP until YOU are in that situation you can not judge. There are tons of reasons woman get abortions, whether it be rape or financial reasons or whatever. And saying oh you shouldn't he having sex until your ready for the consequences. Well accidents happen the condom may break, or rape, or tons of other factors. And everyone saying adoption. Do you know how many people are in the system and never have been adopted? Would you honestly want to do that? Carry that baby around for nine months, suffer the pain and then just hand the baby off to a life you won't know anything about? I'm not saying abortion should be a form of birth control, girls who have had three or four in their life. That's abusing the system and irresponsible. But in certain situations its the best option. And a doctor will not abort a fetus that has developed. There is a time limit and its hot a baby yet. It hasn't breathed and doesn't have a heartbeat. A woman DOES have the choice. Plain and simple

by Anonymous 14 years ago

very true. i had no idea what that post even meant until i saw these ginormous abortion debocle.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

The only reason for abortion is if the child is born, both mother and child will die. My friend was raped and got pregnant. She kept the baby. Now she has a beautiful baby girl that she loves andthe little girl is best friends with my little girl. There is no other reason for abortion exept for the reason stated above.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I never said I didn't want children, but until my spine/neck/shoulders/ribs/hips heal properly, yeah, I'd choose abortion. I didn't say I use it as birth control so don't assume. I take precautions. I have seen paralyzed and pregnant and my situation is nothing like that. My body could literally not handle pregnancy or labor. I would die. Yeah, I'm choosing my life over anothers. That doesn't make me selfish. But it does make you ignorant to assume so much about me.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Uh def didn't say those were the only things that caused miscarriage and whatnot. Don't put words in my mouth. Thannnnks:)

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Seriously, bottom line whether you believe it is the mothers choice or not, its absolutely not YOUR choose. Nothing you say will change the mind of someone who has already made than decision for their own reason. Stfu and live your own life and stop worrying about people you have nothing to do with.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Life begins at conception! There are four differences between a fetus and a newborn baby: Size, Level of development, Environment, and Degree of dependency. None of those are reasons to kill. How can you say that abortion is okay before certain milestones, such as a heartbeat or brainwaves? I mean, what if don't decide until later that you don't want the child? How about if everybody just chooses their own limit, 2 years old? 3? 13?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Please, no one get mad at me for saying this, it is simply my opinion and in no way are you obligated to agree. Sadly, although with modern medicine, this has become infrequent, some mothers do die in childbirth due to complications that with modern technology, can usually be detected these days, and usually if the father/family is given a choice, which can never be easy, in a dangerous birth, they choose to save the mother, because that is in her best interest. Now I know that had nothing to do with abortion, but if the pro-choice people fight and have abortion made illegal, women will still continue to perform abortions on themselves, which WILL harm and could possibly kill them without immediate medical attention. Now, thinking about the mother's best interest, choosing to save the mother from death may mean a legal abortion, choosing the mother's life over her child. I know,the two aren't directly related but it's the same concept. I'm pro choice and I do not believe in abortion.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Notjustanothergirl: that's like my situation with my spine/hip issues. The somplications (and quite possibly death) I could have completly outweigh the life of that child. As messed up as that may sound. But it still doesn't make me selfish. I really wanna see one person who honestly would say yeah ill be preggo for 10 months so this baby can live but I'm going to die. Puuuhhleeeezze! Now, even if I wasn't in the situation I'm in I would still be pro choice a woman should still have that choice because noone knows her situation.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Anonymous: thanks for supporting me :) I completely understand why people are pro life and I don't believe in abortion but I don't know if they completely understand that it should be legal, and PS I'm sorry you can't have a child but if you ever want one I'm sure your adopted child will love the hell out of you. haha. :)

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I'd really love to see your facts about medical problems for the mother during pregnancy being rare seeing as how gestational diabetes and plenty of other problems like that happen to a hell of a lot of women once they're pregnant.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Notjustanothergirl: hopefully one day my back will be strong enough to let me have a baby! Its been about a year and a half since my accident, slowly but surely I'm healing. So one day! Lol and if not adoption is def always an option. But I do wanna say adoption is not always a better option as opposed to abortion. (This isn't directed toward notjustanothergirl just the general topic) thousands of kids live their entire lives in horrible abusive conditions and are never adopted. Once they're 18 and set into the world with nothing a high percentage of them turn to crime. Sad, but true.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I would never get an abortion. No matter what situation. I wouldn't be able to keep that on my consious. There is always adoption. Did you know that every abortion clinic, ships off boxes of hundred of dead babies each day. And the box reads: Medical Waste. And I also bet you didn't know that the baby actually moves away from the abortion instrument in the womb, trying to escape. And I also bet you didn't know that they abortion clinics purposefully keep the ultrasound hidden from the girl. They do not want to loose business because the girl might change her mind once the see how closely the baby resembles a human. I could keep going with even more terrible details most people don't know, but i'll stop now.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

They give a CHOICE if you want the ultra sound or not. Obviously a good percentage of people wouldn't want it but you'd be surprised at how many people would. Just because someone has an abortion doesn't make them heartless and it doesn't mean it wasn't a horribly heartbreaking decision to make. All it means is at that place and time, to that woman, it was the right decision. End of story.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Pro-Lifers don't understand science. Arument over

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Argument even

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Adolf Hitler's mom considered the option of aborting her baby but was talked out of it by her doctor.So many lives would have been saved if she went through with it.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

And the hundreds of kids put into adoption homes who one day end up murderers or rapists and whatever becuase they were brought up in a horrible situation.... Well as fucked as it may sound, they could have been taken carE of and saved lives also. People need to lay off the haterade and live their own damn lives for real.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

btw, Christians don't believe in abortion

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I think everyone is just over-looking how easy it would be to get rid of this "pro-life" vs. "pro-choice" controversary. Maybe people should just actually have morals and NOT get pregnent until after their married. so that means, have respect for yourself and for your future spouse, and wait to have sex until your wedding night. it'll be sooo much more rewarding and better than any other time you got banged by you bf of 6 months, 2 years, 10 years, idk! how hard is it to wait for that ring on your hand!!!

by Anonymous 14 years ago

i'm just gonna point out that abortion is legal, there's a reason for that.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Not everyone wants to get married. I've been with my bf 4+ years and I can tell you its not happening any time soon. we just don't believe a piece of paper is gonna prove our love for each other. Plus, marriage causes drama and unneeded stress. Why ruin what we already have? So just because we don't believe something stupid we shouldn't have sex? No. That's ignorant as fuck. And so are to assume 'just waiting' is perfectly easy.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I CHOSE abortion. I'm lucky enough to have a list of medical problems running in my family and when I got pregnant my diabetes, high blood pressure, high triglycerites etc went thru the roof. I'm very healthy 5'5 125 lbs so these problems aren't my fault just lovely genes! Being pregnant was too much risk. It was the hardest decision of my life, but I don't and never will regret it. Anyone that wants to call me selfish, heartless whatever, can fucking go to hell.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Urmomwhatever- you called me selfish said I would use abortion as birth control and assumed I don't want kids when my post said nothing like that. You did accuse, didn't ask. Rude and ignorant much?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Mothers being at risk becuase of a pregnancy sadly, is not just a few amount. Look at statistics. There is a large amount of women who develop problems during pregnancy. They may not always be life threatening problems but any problem at al, shouldn't it be that womens choice to help herself rather than let an issue possibly get worse? Pro choice. 100%

by Anonymous 14 years ago