Dear middle schoolers, it may seem fun until someone gets pregnant and you have to take care of some kid you didnt want while everyone else is having fun. Signed, a 17 year old dad
Know how to not get each other pregnant? What, did you skip biology class in highschool? Only a woman can get pregnant. And a sure fire way not to get a girl pregnant is to nothave sex. Condoms break. Conteception fails sometimes. Children should not be having sex and especially not having kids.
Okay, but an adult is a lot more capable/physically prepared to have a child than a middle schooler. Adults can take that risk more and choose to because they are ADULTS and for the most part can support themselves.
Okay, but the fact that it says "even if it's protected" implies that the issue isn't pregnancy. No, condoms do not always work, but the 1% of the time when they don't is not always going to get them pregnant. Maybe it's not the best idea, but the post suggests more risk than a .01% chance of pregnancy.
Even though pregnancy is a concern, there are also a ton of STD's out there that are really dangerous. A 13 year old with herpes shouldn't even be imaginable. If the condom fails, would they be smart enough to talk to an adult or doctor to check for complications? Also, they may be a teen but their brains are NOT developed enough to properly distinguish from right and wrong.
Herpes is just as bad at 14 as it is at 114. Why don't you just say "Humans should not be having sex, even if it's protected, amirite?" At every age there is an equal chance of STDs. In fact, as you get older there is a greater chance because you will then be allowed to have sex with adults who have slept with more people.
As for the last sentence, it would be nice if you could reword it so I can try to convince myself that you're joking. If you can't tell the difference between right and wrong at the age of 8, that's a problem.
BECAUSE THEY'RE 11 TO 13 YEARS OF AGE. That's what makes it wrong. This is when the body begins the whole hormone stage and being that 11 to 13 year olds don't know all that much about sex, it's probably not the best idea for them to be having it.
I don't know what school you went to, but where I come from we learn about sex in Grade 6, before middle school. They know enough about it, and they are physically capable of handling it. Any other factors depend on the individuals, not the entire age group.
Yes, because if there's one thing middle schoolers are known for it's sound judgment. Also, sex isn't just physical. There is no way in hell they will have the emotional maturity necessary.
It's been so long since you were a teenager that you've probably forgotten what you were like. (I'm still a teenager, just so you know) I know sex isn't just physical, but how could you possibly know how emotionally mature they are? That varies from person to person, and we are talking about middle-schoolers as a whole. As for sound judgement, not all teenagers are as stupid as you think. If they aren't smart enough to make good decisions, then screw them. I will not be the one to take away their right to emotionally scar themselves for life.
I remember. I always had a boyfriend, including a boyfriend for two straight years through Jr. High. Didn't have sex. Because at 13 years old NOBODY is ready. Why do you think pedophilia is such a big deal? "Oh Mr. Judge sir, don't worry about the fact that I'm forty fucking nine, this 12 year old is emotionally mature enough to have sex. Yes your honor, I'm sure of it. She has very sound judgment." As far as "if they're not smart enough to make good decisions, screw them." Are you serious? They are CHILDREN. They need rules and guidance. Also, they need protection and at that age it's mostly from themselves.
13 != CHILDREN.
How can you say that NOBODY is ready? You and your boyfriend were 2 people.
A pedophile is a person who likes having sex with little children whose bodies aren't even physicaly designed to handle sex. Also, these children are too young to know about it, so they aren't qualified to make the decision. Anyway, it's not like he gave her a choice. Comparing teenage sex with pedophilia is not fair. Also, right now we're taling about teenagers having sex with EACH OTHER.
Just so you know, middle school sex is legal in Canada, which is the #4 best country in the world. The US is more like #10 or #12 or something.
Anyway, they DO have guidance. It's not like they don't know the dangers of sex. If they choose not to pay attention to said guidance, that is their decision. I am not saying it is a good decision, but it is not always such a bad decision.
I can say it quite easily. And no, you are mistaken. Pedophilia is a bit more encompassing than that, the scenario I described would qualify as such. Also I brought up quite a valid point. The discussion centered around why or why not young 11-14 year old CHILDREN should be having sex. I said they are not emotionally mature or responsible enough to make that sort of decision, and you countered that they (or some) were. If a twelve year old is to be trusted to have sex, what difference would it make if it were with another young teenager or an adult? If you are mature enough to have sex, you are mature enough to decide with whom. As far as laws go, there are many I question and disagree with so I won't bother discussing that point. Finally, none of this will determine what kids can or can't do. They CAN have sex. Hell, they CAN do heroin. You are correct, it is their choice. But as children, they SHOULDN'T.
He never said they should be having sex, he said it's a decision they make and there will be consequences for it. He's essentially saying; teach them about sex, teach them about pregnancy, teach them about all the shit that could go wrong, teach them that waiting is best. If they decide to do it anyways, it's their own fucking fault
Even if you've done all you can to educate and set guidelines? One thing I know about kids, still being one and watching other kids, is if they really, REALLY want to do something, nothing you do to try and stop it matters
That's pretty much your whole argument, or maybe you've forgotten? I said if a middle schooler is estates about sex and all the possible outcomes, and they still do it, what happens to them is their own fault, you disagreed, hence we ended up here
Lots of shit that happens in this world that shouldn't. This is a prime example http://www.reddit.com/r/trouble...eform_ranches/ and your having a mini fit about two preteens wanting to experiment with sex? Get over yourself. If you think someone shouldn't be doing something, that means you want to stop it. Whig means you think it can, however you just agreed that stopping a kid from doing something they really want to do is nearly impossible, so you contradict yourself. Also, by arguing you want to stop it, you are saying you want to supress a right to choose, rather than educated and set a guideline for a child and let them fuck up on their own.
Lmao!!! Wtf? I'm gonna need you to calm down sir. Me stating logical and obvious reasons why something shouldn't happen isn't me trying to change anything. Maybe you should reread my comments, or stop replying to me, or both. Kids shouldn't have sex. I can and have list numerous reasons why. That won't change anything, I understand. Kids are stupid. I can't look at that link on my phone, but I assure you I'm looking forward to it. I'll check it out after my mini fit and as soon as I get over myself. XD
I still don't think they really qualify as children. Once you turn 13, you are a teenager, and no more a child than a 17-year-old. Maybe SOME middle schoolers shouldn't be having sex, but this post didn't say "some," so by default he/she meant ALL.
If a person is to be trusted with sex, then they do have the maturity to decide whom. Pedophiles don't usually let you decide, and they are usually only attracted to kids who haven't hit puberty and who don't know about sex (and therefore should not be having sex).
I don't know what heroin does to you, but if it will harm anyone other than the person doing it, then it is no longer the same issue. If it won't, then yes, they have the right to do heroin. However, there's not really any type of protection you can take against drugs aside from not doing it, and once you start, you're pretty much screwed. Sex is nowhere near as dangerous as I'm assuming heroin is (if it wasn't dangerous, you wouldn't have said it), and the few risks involved will only affect the 2 people who agreed to it.
If you cannot handle sex emotionally, then don't have it. But saying all middle schoolers in general are too young to have sex is false, so NW.
Sometimes puberty occurs at 9yrs. old, you do realize that? And they are "physically capable" of sex. You are biased. You are still a child. And yes, 17 year olds are children. I've been there, and sweetheart I didn't "forget." I know both sides. And a high intelligence/maturity level DOES NOT equal life experience. Think what you want for the moment. One day you'll know better.
Why is "physically capable" in quotes? Either they are or they aren't. If they are, then they should be allowed to have sex if they want (and if they know what sex is).
I am not biased. I'm still a virgin, and I am perfectly happy that way. Most teenagers aren't.
I didn't say maturity and life experience were the same thing. Where did you get that from?
A person's experiences are irrelevant to this topic unless they include having sex. Did you have sex before the first time you had sex?
It's in quotes because I'm quoting you. Whether they are allowed isn't what I'm arguing, it's whether they should. You are biased. The life experience thing came up because you mentioned how some middle schoolers are smart and mature. It doesn't matter if they have a 180 IQ, because they don't have the life experience necessary to deal with something so serious, in my opinion.
Of course they don't have the life experience, and they never will until they get laid. A 14-year-old virgin should have the same amount of sexual experience as a 250-year-old virgin.
I know you are arguing about whether or not they should. Why should they be allowed to have sex if they shouldn't be having sex? That doesn't make sense.
I did mention some middle schoolers are smart and mature, mainly because you said they were careless and emotionally unprepared.
A person's experiences aren't a matter of opinion. Many people do lose their virginity in middle school. In fact, at my school it's commonly assumed that everyone did unless they say otherwise. I do not know anyone who seems to be emotionally scarred for life.
sigh You keep pulling nonsensical arguments out of your ass and the more we discuss it the more it's apparent to me how very young you are. Life experience isn't the same thing as sexual experience. Life experience is, oddly enough, living life. Learning from your mistakes, making note of the differentiation between adolescent relationships and experiences (not just romantic or sexual) and those of a more mature nature, which are gained through LIFE EXPERIENCE. Things change. You change. You think you know so much when you really don't know shit. Secondly, I don't know what's so difficult for you to grasp. I don't think kids should do this. But not only kids, but people will do whatever they damn well please and always have. Nobody has complete control over anyone else, to think so is ridiculous. Is that clear? They shouldn't do it. They shouldn't do it. One more time, they shouldn't do it. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN'T. Finally, the funny thing about emotional scars is, well, they don't show. Having said that I knew plenty of (smart) kids who did it. I feel sorry for them. My opinion. Again, we disagree.
Nice, you reply to your own post so I don't get a notification. Any reason for that?
OK, after reading it, I understand why you didn't want me to know about it.
Also, please stop making pointless, unexplained attacks on my intelligence, because frankly you're not making much sense either. So I'm going to have to take a page from your book and not even try to expain what was wrong with that comment.
One thing I will say, is that if aging will one day make me anything like you, then calling me "young" is not much of an insult.
Sorry, but you sort of are being an asshole. You could have at least made a counter argument instead of just saying I'm stupid. However, feel free to stop replying if you want. I'm good either way.
Yeah, that's kind of my philosiphy when it comes to stuff like this. My beliefs tend to favour those who think before they act. Does that make me a horrible person?
(BTW that's not a rhetorical question. Does it?)
Teenagers are vulnerable. I'm not saying there aren't any smart teenagers out there but even the smarts ones can succumb to peer pressures and can also become a victim of their own teenage logic (simply not thinking things through). Sure, maybe many many years ago humans began having sex and starting families at very young ages but society changes. I guarantee that once you're a young adult you'll look back and see that a lot of shit you did when you were a teenager was stupid.
To be honest, I've never even had sex, but it's not fair to say that teenagers should never have sex.
I don't know much about this "teenage logic" to which you refer; I've always been more interested in real logic, which is why I have no understading of peer pressure. This is how you just say no: "No." It is a word we learned when we were 2 (or something). If you lack that ability, then by my definition you are not a smart teenager.
Anyway, there is a difference between having sex and starting a family. Sex does not always result in pregnancy, but the people who do it know fully well that it sometimes does, and are willing to take the risk. They have the right to take that risk.
The majority of middle schoolers aren't even teenagers yet. 6th and 7th graders are usually 11 or 12. So I don't know why everyone's referring to the middle schoolers as teenagers. Most of them haven't even hit puberty yet. In my opinion, I don't think you need to have sex right when you hit puberty. I agree with keeping your innocence.
7th and 8th graders are around 13 and 14, and I'm pretty sure most of them have hit puberty. I don't know when middle school is in the US, so I voted based on what it is in Canada. I'm not saying 11-year-olds should be having sex, but this post didn't specify an age, so by default it is saying that no middle schoolers should be having sex. None of them. Anywhere.
I don't think you need to have sex when you hit puberty either. I don't think you NEED to have sex at all. That doesn't mean you shouldn't.
Please stop using the word "innocence" in that context. If you feel guilty after sex, then I agree you shouldn't be doing it.
When I was in middle school I was 11 in 6th grade, 12 in 7th and 13 in 8th. But you do have a point with the rest of your post. And by innocence I didn't say it by meaning they felt guilty after sex, I meant it by saying they are innocent to sex because they've never done it before and don't know everything about it. Like in the way that little children are innocent to the things that are happening in the world because they don't really know what's happening.
If you are saying "innocence" means ignorance, then why would you want people to stay "innocent?" They are in middle school to learn, and learning from experience is the most effective form of education.
Also, since when is 6th grade middle school?
You may have just had a late birthday, but many people turn 14 (the legal age of consent) in Grade 8. The post is saying "If you are in middle school, you should not have sex. Period." I disagree. So does the government.
I think they should stay innocent to sex until they are ready for it. Which MOST middle schoolers are not. I'm not saying that every single middle schooler should wait either, so you don't have to argue with me about that. And 6th grade is part of middle school where I'm from. And I also do have a late birthday. I turned 13 right at the beginning of the school year while most other people were turning 14 sometime during the school year.
MOST middle schoolers are not ready for it. That means MOST middle schoolers should not have sex.
If the post said "Middle schoolers who are not ready for sex should not be having sex" or "Middle schoolers under the age of 14 should not be having sex" or even "Most middle schoolers should not be having sex" then I might have YYA'd it. Just saying "Middle schoolers should not be having sex" allows for no exceptions.
I disagree. Just because the number has the word "teen" in it doesn't make them a teenager. 13 year olds are still immature 12 year olds who think they are cool for being "teenagers". Even 14 year olds are barely teenagers, in my book. I'm not saying that becoming a teenager means being mature, but there is a visible difference between middle school and high school. I was an idiot at 13.
What does maturity have to do with being a teenager? Hell, what does maturity have to do with anything? Being a teenager and an adult is an age milestone, not a mental one.
There are some idiots at every age group. Some people are idiots their whole lives.
The visible difference between high school and middle school might have to do with the lack of 18-year-olds in middle school. And yes, having "teen" in your age does by definition mean you're a teenager. If it doesn't in your book, then you have the right to vote based on your book, and I have the right to vote based on mine. Since I don't know how you define teenage other than having an age ending with "teen," I can never convince you otherwise, so we might as well end this thread here.
Dear middle schoolers, it may seem fun until someone gets pregnant and you have to take care of some kid you didnt want while everyone else is having fun. Signed, a 17 year old dad
Don't have sex. You WILL get pregnant. And die.
LOL @ ridiculously long conversation up there of people feeding the troll.
I wasn't trolling, but I lol'd at the huge argument I started.
I don't think anyone should if they aren't married...
Cool story, mo.
sorry.. couldn't help myself.
I believe the age of consent where I live is 13, so it wouldn't even be legal let alone appropriate.
thts also tru. but i didnt wnt 2 copy a post. i no a preg 6th grader
You made a post, wrote an agreeing comment on said post, and then up voted it?
Must have forgotten anonymous.
And what's the also all about?
Look guys! A foreigner that doesn't know english.
He must be from the futer.
Why not? As long as they know how to not get each other pregnant, and both parties are consenting, what's the problem?
Know how to not get each other pregnant? What, did you skip biology class in highschool? Only a woman can get pregnant. And a sure fire way not to get a girl pregnant is to nothave sex. Condoms break. Conteception fails sometimes. Children should not be having sex and especially not having kids.
Okay, but an adult is a lot more capable/physically prepared to have a child than a middle schooler. Adults can take that risk more and choose to because they are ADULTS and for the most part can support themselves.
Okay, but the fact that it says "even if it's protected" implies that the issue isn't pregnancy. No, condoms do not always work, but the 1% of the time when they don't is not always going to get them pregnant. Maybe it's not the best idea, but the post suggests more risk than a .01% chance of pregnancy.
Even though pregnancy is a concern, there are also a ton of STD's out there that are really dangerous. A 13 year old with herpes shouldn't even be imaginable. If the condom fails, would they be smart enough to talk to an adult or doctor to check for complications? Also, they may be a teen but their brains are NOT developed enough to properly distinguish from right and wrong.
Herpes is just as bad at 14 as it is at 114. Why don't you just say "Humans should not be having sex, even if it's protected, amirite?" At every age there is an equal chance of STDs. In fact, as you get older there is a greater chance because you will then be allowed to have sex with adults who have slept with more people.
As for the last sentence, it would be nice if you could reword it so I can try to convince myself that you're joking. If you can't tell the difference between right and wrong at the age of 8, that's a problem.
Why is sex considered a bad thing? Why does the word meaning "not guilty of a crime" also mean "not getting any?"
BECAUSE THEY'RE 11 TO 13 YEARS OF AGE. That's what makes it wrong. This is when the body begins the whole hormone stage and being that 11 to 13 year olds don't know all that much about sex, it's probably not the best idea for them to be having it.
I don't know what school you went to, but where I come from we learn about sex in Grade 6, before middle school. They know enough about it, and they are physically capable of handling it. Any other factors depend on the individuals, not the entire age group.
Yes, because if there's one thing middle schoolers are known for it's sound judgment. Also, sex isn't just physical. There is no way in hell they will have the emotional maturity necessary.
It's been so long since you were a teenager that you've probably forgotten what you were like. (I'm still a teenager, just so you know) I know sex isn't just physical, but how could you possibly know how emotionally mature they are? That varies from person to person, and we are talking about middle-schoolers as a whole. As for sound judgement, not all teenagers are as stupid as you think. If they aren't smart enough to make good decisions, then screw them. I will not be the one to take away their right to emotionally scar themselves for life.
I remember. I always had a boyfriend, including a boyfriend for two straight years through Jr. High. Didn't have sex. Because at 13 years old NOBODY is ready. Why do you think pedophilia is such a big deal? "Oh Mr. Judge sir, don't worry about the fact that I'm forty fucking nine, this 12 year old is emotionally mature enough to have sex. Yes your honor, I'm sure of it. She has very sound judgment." As far as "if they're not smart enough to make good decisions, screw them." Are you serious? They are CHILDREN. They need rules and guidance. Also, they need protection and at that age it's mostly from themselves.
13 != CHILDREN.
How can you say that NOBODY is ready? You and your boyfriend were 2 people.
A pedophile is a person who likes having sex with little children whose bodies aren't even physicaly designed to handle sex. Also, these children are too young to know about it, so they aren't qualified to make the decision. Anyway, it's not like he gave her a choice. Comparing teenage sex with pedophilia is not fair. Also, right now we're taling about teenagers having sex with EACH OTHER.
Just so you know, middle school sex is legal in Canada, which is the #4 best country in the world. The US is more like #10 or #12 or something.
Anyway, they DO have guidance. It's not like they don't know the dangers of sex. If they choose not to pay attention to said guidance, that is their decision. I am not saying it is a good decision, but it is not always such a bad decision.
I can say it quite easily. And no, you are mistaken. Pedophilia is a bit more encompassing than that, the scenario I described would qualify as such. Also I brought up quite a valid point. The discussion centered around why or why not young 11-14 year old CHILDREN should be having sex. I said they are not emotionally mature or responsible enough to make that sort of decision, and you countered that they (or some) were. If a twelve year old is to be trusted to have sex, what difference would it make if it were with another young teenager or an adult? If you are mature enough to have sex, you are mature enough to decide with whom. As far as laws go, there are many I question and disagree with so I won't bother discussing that point. Finally, none of this will determine what kids can or can't do. They CAN have sex. Hell, they CAN do heroin. You are correct, it is their choice. But as children, they SHOULDN'T.
He never said they should be having sex, he said it's a decision they make and there will be consequences for it. He's essentially saying; teach them about sex, teach them about pregnancy, teach them about all the shit that could go wrong, teach them that waiting is best. If they decide to do it anyways, it's their own fucking fault
I understand what he or she is saying. He or she is wrong.
Decision making is wrong?
In this instance.
Even if you've done all you can to educate and set guidelines? One thing I know about kids, still being one and watching other kids, is if they really, REALLY want to do something, nothing you do to try and stop it matters
Who ever said it would?
That's pretty much your whole argument, or maybe you've forgotten? I said if a middle schooler is estates about sex and all the possible outcomes, and they still do it, what happens to them is their own fault, you disagreed, hence we ended up here
No, my argument is that they SHOULDN'T.
Lots of shit that happens in this world that shouldn't. This is a prime example http://www.reddit.com/r/trouble...eform_ranches/ and your having a mini fit about two preteens wanting to experiment with sex? Get over yourself. If you think someone shouldn't be doing something, that means you want to stop it. Whig means you think it can, however you just agreed that stopping a kid from doing something they really want to do is nearly impossible, so you contradict yourself. Also, by arguing you want to stop it, you are saying you want to supress a right to choose, rather than educated and set a guideline for a child and let them fuck up on their own.
Lmao!!! Wtf? I'm gonna need you to calm down sir. Me stating logical and obvious reasons why something shouldn't happen isn't me trying to change anything. Maybe you should reread my comments, or stop replying to me, or both. Kids shouldn't have sex. I can and have list numerous reasons why. That won't change anything, I understand. Kids are stupid. I can't look at that link on my phone, but I assure you I'm looking forward to it. I'll check it out after my mini fit and as soon as I get over myself. XD
I still don't think they really qualify as children. Once you turn 13, you are a teenager, and no more a child than a 17-year-old. Maybe SOME middle schoolers shouldn't be having sex, but this post didn't say "some," so by default he/she meant ALL.
If a person is to be trusted with sex, then they do have the maturity to decide whom. Pedophiles don't usually let you decide, and they are usually only attracted to kids who haven't hit puberty and who don't know about sex (and therefore should not be having sex).
I don't know what heroin does to you, but if it will harm anyone other than the person doing it, then it is no longer the same issue. If it won't, then yes, they have the right to do heroin. However, there's not really any type of protection you can take against drugs aside from not doing it, and once you start, you're pretty much screwed. Sex is nowhere near as dangerous as I'm assuming heroin is (if it wasn't dangerous, you wouldn't have said it), and the few risks involved will only affect the 2 people who agreed to it.
If you cannot handle sex emotionally, then don't have it. But saying all middle schoolers in general are too young to have sex is false, so NW.
Sometimes puberty occurs at 9yrs. old, you do realize that? And they are "physically capable" of sex. You are biased. You are still a child. And yes, 17 year olds are children. I've been there, and sweetheart I didn't "forget." I know both sides. And a high intelligence/maturity level DOES NOT equal life experience. Think what you want for the moment. One day you'll know better.
Why is "physically capable" in quotes? Either they are or they aren't. If they are, then they should be allowed to have sex if they want (and if they know what sex is).
I am not biased. I'm still a virgin, and I am perfectly happy that way. Most teenagers aren't.
I didn't say maturity and life experience were the same thing. Where did you get that from?
A person's experiences are irrelevant to this topic unless they include having sex. Did you have sex before the first time you had sex?
It's in quotes because I'm quoting you. Whether they are allowed isn't what I'm arguing, it's whether they should. You are biased. The life experience thing came up because you mentioned how some middle schoolers are smart and mature. It doesn't matter if they have a 180 IQ, because they don't have the life experience necessary to deal with something so serious, in my opinion.
Of course they don't have the life experience, and they never will until they get laid. A 14-year-old virgin should have the same amount of sexual experience as a 250-year-old virgin.
I know you are arguing about whether or not they should. Why should they be allowed to have sex if they shouldn't be having sex? That doesn't make sense.
I did mention some middle schoolers are smart and mature, mainly because you said they were careless and emotionally unprepared.
A person's experiences aren't a matter of opinion. Many people do lose their virginity in middle school. In fact, at my school it's commonly assumed that everyone did unless they say otherwise. I do not know anyone who seems to be emotionally scarred for life.
I'm not trying to be an asshole, but you really aren't making much sense. We disagree. Let's just leave it at that.
sigh You keep pulling nonsensical arguments out of your ass and the more we discuss it the more it's apparent to me how very young you are. Life experience isn't the same thing as sexual experience. Life experience is, oddly enough, living life. Learning from your mistakes, making note of the differentiation between adolescent relationships and experiences (not just romantic or sexual) and those of a more mature nature, which are gained through LIFE EXPERIENCE. Things change. You change. You think you know so much when you really don't know shit. Secondly, I don't know what's so difficult for you to grasp. I don't think kids should do this. But not only kids, but people will do whatever they damn well please and always have. Nobody has complete control over anyone else, to think so is ridiculous. Is that clear? They shouldn't do it. They shouldn't do it. One more time, they shouldn't do it. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN'T. Finally, the funny thing about emotional scars is, well, they don't show. Having said that I knew plenty of (smart) kids who did it. I feel sorry for them. My opinion. Again, we disagree.
Nice, you reply to your own post so I don't get a notification. Any reason for that?
OK, after reading it, I understand why you didn't want me to know about it.
Also, please stop making pointless, unexplained attacks on my intelligence, because frankly you're not making much sense either. So I'm going to have to take a page from your book and not even try to expain what was wrong with that comment.
One thing I will say, is that if aging will one day make me anything like you, then calling me "young" is not much of an insult.
lol Okay. It was an accident. Calm yo tits.
Sorry, but you sort of are being an asshole. You could have at least made a counter argument instead of just saying I'm stupid. However, feel free to stop replying if you want. I'm good either way.
Sexual experience and life experience are different things.
This is the most sensible, unbiased, impartial thing I've seen in this post
i think it's the "then screw them" part that's the issue.
Yeah, that's kind of my philosiphy when it comes to stuff like this. My beliefs tend to favour those who think before they act. Does that make me a horrible person?
(BTW that's not a rhetorical question. Does it?)
Teenagers are vulnerable. I'm not saying there aren't any smart teenagers out there but even the smarts ones can succumb to peer pressures and can also become a victim of their own teenage logic (simply not thinking things through). Sure, maybe many many years ago humans began having sex and starting families at very young ages but society changes. I guarantee that once you're a young adult you'll look back and see that a lot of shit you did when you were a teenager was stupid.
To be honest, I've never even had sex, but it's not fair to say that teenagers should never have sex.
I don't know much about this "teenage logic" to which you refer; I've always been more interested in real logic, which is why I have no understading of peer pressure. This is how you just say no: "No." It is a word we learned when we were 2 (or something). If you lack that ability, then by my definition you are not a smart teenager.
Anyway, there is a difference between having sex and starting a family. Sex does not always result in pregnancy, but the people who do it know fully well that it sometimes does, and are willing to take the risk. They have the right to take that risk.
The majority of middle schoolers aren't even teenagers yet. 6th and 7th graders are usually 11 or 12. So I don't know why everyone's referring to the middle schoolers as teenagers. Most of them haven't even hit puberty yet. In my opinion, I don't think you need to have sex right when you hit puberty. I agree with keeping your innocence.
7th and 8th graders are around 13 and 14, and I'm pretty sure most of them have hit puberty. I don't know when middle school is in the US, so I voted based on what it is in Canada. I'm not saying 11-year-olds should be having sex, but this post didn't specify an age, so by default it is saying that no middle schoolers should be having sex. None of them. Anywhere.
I don't think you need to have sex when you hit puberty either. I don't think you NEED to have sex at all. That doesn't mean you shouldn't.
Please stop using the word "innocence" in that context. If you feel guilty after sex, then I agree you shouldn't be doing it.
When I was in middle school I was 11 in 6th grade, 12 in 7th and 13 in 8th. But you do have a point with the rest of your post. And by innocence I didn't say it by meaning they felt guilty after sex, I meant it by saying they are innocent to sex because they've never done it before and don't know everything about it. Like in the way that little children are innocent to the things that are happening in the world because they don't really know what's happening.
If you are saying "innocence" means ignorance, then why would you want people to stay "innocent?" They are in middle school to learn, and learning from experience is the most effective form of education.
Also, since when is 6th grade middle school?
You may have just had a late birthday, but many people turn 14 (the legal age of consent) in Grade 8. The post is saying "If you are in middle school, you should not have sex. Period." I disagree. So does the government.
I think they should stay innocent to sex until they are ready for it. Which MOST middle schoolers are not. I'm not saying that every single middle schooler should wait either, so you don't have to argue with me about that. And 6th grade is part of middle school where I'm from. And I also do have a late birthday. I turned 13 right at the beginning of the school year while most other people were turning 14 sometime during the school year.
MOST middle schoolers are not ready for it. That means MOST middle schoolers should not have sex.
If the post said "Middle schoolers who are not ready for sex should not be having sex" or "Middle schoolers under the age of 14 should not be having sex" or even "Most middle schoolers should not be having sex" then I might have YYA'd it. Just saying "Middle schoolers should not be having sex" allows for no exceptions.
Middle schoolers aren't teenagers.
If you are between 13 and 19 years old, you are a teenager. Period.
I disagree. Just because the number has the word "teen" in it doesn't make them a teenager. 13 year olds are still immature 12 year olds who think they are cool for being "teenagers". Even 14 year olds are barely teenagers, in my book. I'm not saying that becoming a teenager means being mature, but there is a visible difference between middle school and high school. I was an idiot at 13.
What does maturity have to do with being a teenager? Hell, what does maturity have to do with anything? Being a teenager and an adult is an age milestone, not a mental one.
LOL at that huge argument.
There are some idiots at every age group. Some people are idiots their whole lives.
The visible difference between high school and middle school might have to do with the lack of 18-year-olds in middle school. And yes, having "teen" in your age does by definition mean you're a teenager. If it doesn't in your book, then you have the right to vote based on your book, and I have the right to vote based on mine. Since I don't know how you define teenage other than having an age ending with "teen," I can never convince you otherwise, so we might as well end this thread here.
Middle schoolers aren't teenagers, middle schoolers are 12-14