It's really stupid how Illegal Immigrants get free education and taking all of the tax payer's money. People who are actually citizens paying for them to live here. It's ridiculous. amirite?

Tax payer money is also going towards unemployed people, but you don't here others complain about that.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

yeah but they're here legally

by Anonymous 14 years ago

But the argument is that they are taking tax payer's money, not that they weren't born an American.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

but they get out of taxes for not actually being a registered american citizen

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I'm just saying that at least the immigrants are contributing back to the economy. They work 10x as hard at a job than a regular citizen would. Yes they don't pay federal taxes, but that's not the only tax out there.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

How do you know that illegal immigrants work 10 times as a hard as an American citizen?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Because not every unemployed person is lazy, that's why people don't complain.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

yeah you most definitely do hear about that. ever heard of the entire republican party?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

what's worse is the people that come here illegally and don't even bother to learn english. sure, use our resources, education system, etc for free, but then get mad when people in a store don't speak spanish to accommodate you?? oh and before you call me an ignorant american - i'm not even american, but i DID come here legally and learned the freaking language. it's not that hard, i don't see why others can't do it...

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I won't call you an ignorant american, but I WILL call you ignorant...

by Anonymous 14 years ago

ig·no·rant/ˈignərənt/Adjective 1. Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated. 2. Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular: What makes her ignorant? She's talking about something that she has first hand experience in and that she's knowledgeable about. I agree with nessa. People coming to America should learn English. They're burdensome when they don't, legal or not.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Ignorance can also pertain to simple mindedness.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

No idea what you're talking about. Please elaborate.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You are only thinking about how it's an inconvenience to you. How many places do you know would teach an immigrant English free of charge? Why free? Because without learning the language it'll be pretty difficult to accumulate money or money enough to pay for rent, food, and to learn english? It's not like they come to America and decide "Hey, I wanna piss some people off by not understanding a word they say". Not only is it an inconvenience to you, it is an even greater inconvenience to them.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

If they want to come here, they should prepare for America, including learning the language. It isn't the responsibility of a US citizen to ensure that an illegal immigrant knows English. A legal immigrant should learn at least some English before they get here.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

If a person is not willing to help with the problem, then they shouldn't be allowed to complain. Did union workers just sit around and complain about their 80 hour work weeks? No, they got up and solved the problem themselves. If the person complaining about non-english speakers doesn't do anything to solve the problem, then nothing will change.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

(Muffinman) Well, I do support the deportation of illegals and border control. Again, legals should expect that English will be the language of the vast majority of people in America.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Since when is English Americas official language? Last time I checked there is no official language in America. And for the people saying they don't pay taxes, I have plenty of family members who are illegal immigrants and they DO pay taxes. So don't say they don't pay taxes because many of them do.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Wouldn't they be found out if they pay taxes.......?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

They pay sales tax and food tax

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Which are a tiny and involuntary fraction of the costs that American citizens pay..

by Anonymous 12 years ago

America doesn't have an "official" language but it is the most commonly spoken. Why should the majority of people living in the states have to learn a language for the minority instead of the minority learning the language of the place they're in so they can communicate with the majority? Ileegal immigrants pay taxes for things like groceries, gas, etc. Not an income tax or anything that links back to a SS#.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

actually, they still pay tax when they go to the store and buy a candy bar. food tax etc are generally used on more of a local level anyways, to pay for schools, than income or property tax

by Anonymous 14 years ago

The only foods that are taxed are the unhealthy foods, like a candy bar. Other foods, such as milk/veggies/etc. aren't taxed/are taxed veryveryvery little since they're necessary for life. You can't live off of candy.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

In Oklahoma, everything is taxed.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Well in Oregon nothing is, which means stupid illegals don't have to pay ANYTHING

by Anonymous 14 years ago

American citizen children don't have to pay anything either. It's the adults who pay for everything.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

actually, they still pay tax when they go to the store and buy a candy bar. food tax etc are generally used on more of a local level anyways, to pay for schools, than income or property tax

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Maybe if they made it easier for them to become legal, you wouldn't be so ignorant, and I mean, I guess you must be since you consider illegal immigrants from Canada hispanic.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Just because its hard for them to become legal is not an excuse. I was in a car accident with an illegal (it was in NO WAY my fault) now a year later I'm still dealing with neck,spine,hip problems (and then some) constant pain and can't live MY life. I'm 20 years old can't do what I've been in school since I was 17 to do. Can't get a job cuz of my injuries. And this guy who wasn't injured at all? Nothing. He doesn't have to pay for shit doesn't have any part of his life completly screwed like mine. Because he was illegal. So obviously that means he had no insurance. My medical alone has been close to a million dollars, no lie. Don't be ignorant. They shouldn't be here illegally. Period.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

If only Hitler had the use of the internet. I mean seriously? Were you studying to be an actor because that post was waaay melodramatic.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

The injuries they mentioned could severely interfere with work. Sitting at a desk? Nope, could further injure their spine/neck unless you wear a highly uncomfortable brace for 8 hrs and sit straight as a pin. Anything to do with walking? A slight misstep could possibly screw up their hips. And the constant pain? You either get meds, which would be pricey if you didn't have them covered prior, or deal with the pain. Even if they WERE covered by insurance, you still have to pay. My sister's medical-examination birth control pills that were covered still cost us $15, and that is some basic medication. The post was a bit exaggerated, but the concept of the illegals is still extremely unfair,

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Ugh, I hate when people say "illegals" like illegal immigrants are less than people. Believe it or not, they are people, and want the same things as you (opportunites, healthy children, political freedom, etc.). They can't help it that they weren't as fortunate as you to be born in a country that provides all of that. Obviously, it would be better if all immigration happened legally, but the current system in place makes it nearly impossible to immigrate here legally without immediate family members as citizens. But I really don't see the huge deal about illegal imigration, when there are so much bigger issues at hand.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Actually, a good friend of mine, his sister, and parents [with no ties to America] were able to immigrate in.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Just because one person was an idiot doesn't mean every other immigrant is an idiot. I'm sorry that happened.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I don't care if they're unemployed or here illegally get a job, and get a green card. Also for the love of god speak fucking English.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

@Nelson- Mexicans aren't the only ones that come illegally, get your facts straight.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

They take taxes out of unemployment..and I used to be on it so I would know

by Anonymous 14 years ago

@supper4dinner: How was my post melodramatic?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

First of all. "Can't get a job because of my injuries". People can't deny you a job because you are handicapped which I highly doubt that you are, unless you are looking for an excuse for unemployment. And second of all, all that was included in your post were exaggerated complaints about yourself. What happened to the other person? Were they deported, did they have a family and kids? Do you even care about that stuff?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

My sister was hit by illegal immigrants a few months back. They were just going to leave the scene but luckily it happened in front of a convenience store so people stopped them. The men in that van barely spoke english, didn't have drivers liscenses, and didn't have any form of i.d. While my sister had to miss her job and deal with the trauma of being in an accident they just sat there drinking coffee, eating, and laughing. We got stuck with all of the repair bills because of this. I hope that's not too dramatic for you.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

This won't matter, be nice to the illegal immigrants from Mexico, soon we will be migrating over there with the way things are going with Obama presently

by Anonymous 14 years ago

That's what I'm afraid of. Obama seems to want total control. His choice for Supreme Court, the Puerto Rican, was obviously a democrat and possibly a liberal. His choices seem to be making him more powerful, and he wants to make all illegals citizens without tests because it means he gets over 4 million more votes. So I am currently learning Spanish in school, because I'll have to: 1) Move to Mexico. or 2) The prominent language will be Spanish.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

What, 10,000 years of white dominance isn't enough for you? Quit being so melodramatic. If you think Spanish will become the "official language of the US" (even though such a thing doesn't exist), you are a moron. And what, Obama would put a republican on the bench? Yeah, the same way Bush's nominees were all democrats. Oh wait, no, presidents choose nominees who they think will make good decisions, and everyone's idea of a "good decision" is one that agrees with their viewpoint. It's the president's right to choose a nominee from their party.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Dude, mexicans do all of our dirty work for 5 dollars an hour. Look at the homeless they're all gringos, go to a well fare office and maybe you'll see a mexican,but the rest would be white,black, and persian. And you know what's messed up? Government taxes illegal immigrants pay checks, but at the end of the year they can't get their tax return. THAT AINT RIGHT!!!

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I know PLENTY of jobless Americans that would gladly take the job of an illegal. Contrary to popular belief, not all Americans are lazy. Some don't like depending on an intrusive government to live. Some WANT jobs, no matter how crappy. And yeah, they take the jobs "no one else wants". LOL NBD, RIGHT? Wrong. The jobs that could pay legal immigrants and citizens that could go back into the system might be getting sent back to Mexico, which many do. It does ruin our economy.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

1) It doesn't really seem to me that your education did much for you. I usually excuse a typo, but you have a few grammatical errors in there. Just saying. 2) Not all illegals are Mexican for those implying that. 3) Find a solution for illegals that will make the majority happy. It's not easy, right? So don't be so hard on the government. I know it's their job, but they are only human. It's not like they said, "Hey illegal immigrants! Come on over! We'll figure something out!"

by Anonymous 14 years ago

1) I usually don't make typos/mistakes. Forgive me. 2) My friend did a research paper on illegal immigrants. The majority were Mexicans. I believe it was 4.5 million, and the other groups were between 25,000-300,000 each. Some people just say Mexicans because it covers the majority. That doesn't make it right, but it makes it a bit easier. 3) I thought the solution would be apparent. Kick them out and have a stronger border. Arizona is being a little harsh, but with the federal government not even trying anything, they had to take action. It's been working, too.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Kick them out how? How would you find them? How would you make sure they're forced out? What does a "stronger border" entail? It works at making citizens paranoid and feel insecure too though.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Maybe if the government stop beating each other off in DC and came up with a solution and a way to make the illegal immigrants legal they could pay the taxes. And learning a new language is never easy.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You mean like my ancestors did? Learn the language, study the history, and pass the test? It's not easy, but it's not impossible. If they want to become citizens, they can. If they don't want to put the effort in, GTFO of my country.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Not everybody is financially able to legally immigrate to the united states. I've heard of immigration costing up to $5000.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Stop hating immigrants they are NOT criminals and your ancestors where immigrants to so basically you hate your ancestors. And they, immigrants, work harder than legal people. Because they work outside in the blazing heat.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

We're talking ILLEGAL immigrants here. Not just immigrants.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Supper4dinner: I can't work because I have severe damage to my neck, spine, tail bone, ribs, hips and then some. I can't stand for longer than 5 mins. I can't sit either. I can't, say, sweep, because of the muscles and parts of your bakc you use. I physically cannot work. I have multiple doctors and therapists telling me this. I'm not exaggerating. My medical bills are close to a million dollars. That doesn't include the loss in all the money I put in for my schooling that I can no longer do. My car that was totalled. My entire life that has been turned around. The illegal ass took off at first. Came back and told the officer he was scared because he has no legal paperwork blah blah blah. They let him go. He had no medical issues. His bumper was bent under a little. Easily fixed. But since he was illegal, therefor had no insurance, I'm fucked.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

But wouldn't his insurance just have covered your car? It's your own job to get health insurance.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

HE IS AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT. Obviously he can't get insurance. /duh

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Obviously! But the hospital expenses would be the bulk of the "nearly 1 million dollars." Even if the car was unfixable, the loss would only be around $40,000 at the most, depending on the type of car. The other driver's insurance would have covered the car (which I know didn't happen since he had no insurance) but not the medical bills. So it's the poster's duty to get health insurance for themselves.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

It might not have been covered, in which case, the visits and meds would be very pricey.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

dude wtf why should we cut some slack for illegal immigrants? ILLEGAL immigrants

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Your ancestors were illegal immigrants.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Native Americans had no law against colonials being there.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Obtaining citizenship is hard. Difficult. But not impossible. In fact, I believe it was harder in the 1800s and early 1900s to become a citizen. They had to learn the language then. The government was a no-catering government. My ancestors, orphans soon after being let into the country and not even teens, spent countless hours learning the language so they could have a chance at becoming a citizen. Racial slurs, racist examiners, etc. They HAD to learn English, but with harder testing. Now, it is still hard, but they don't *have* to learn the language, or pass medical exams, or have things thrown at them. The history tests are hard, but they do receive help [as far as I've heard from legal immigrants]. They need to stop being pansies. Everyone works hard. People strive to get good grades and activities so they can MAYBE afford college, since they actually follow the laws and came here legally, rather than hopping on a boat/plane, going to a college, and instantly getting cash.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You have to keep in mind that it's not the difficulty of the actual test, but how long bureaucracy causes things to take. I'm not saying it excuses illegals, but just clarifying what they actually mean by difficult. I honestly think it would be worth it in the end.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

It would be worth it. EXTREMELY worth it. It doesn't mean we should just go and make all of them citizens right now without tests [like some president is trying to do]

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Most Americans couldn't pass that test.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

If more money was spent on schooling rather than welfare, unemployment, and illegals, Americans COULD pass it. We have an awful school system. I took one of the tests because my teacher thought it would be interesting [I was in 7th grade]. Luckily, my school isn't awful [depending on the teacher], and most of the kids, if not all, passed.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Oh yeah right

by Anonymous 14 years ago

There is a reason that immigrants want to come here. and it's not always theyre fault if they cant become legal.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Agreed.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

People on here act as if illegals are living the high life and are filthy rich and fucking society in the ass. but really most can barely make it week to week. Also some american companies advertise in foreign countries to bring the cheap labor here so dont blame just the immigrants.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Did those companies DRAG those immigrants here, without a choice? No. The foreigners were able to decide whether or not they wanted to go.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Does your job FORCE you to work there? No, but the other option is being in poverty, so it's not much of a choice.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

There are 2 options: 1) Get a job in your home country 2) Gain citizenship in America and get a job legally.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

If you cannot do 1 (assuming that the job is a somewhat decent job that pays for a somewhat decent living, which it is usually not), then number 2 would be impossible. There's a reason why illegal immigrants are from Mexico. It's because it sucks in Mexico.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

though i do have very strong feelings about this post, i wont say them. why? this is amirite.com and therefore not the place to bring up contraversial (i hope i spelled that right...) political issues. chill your nipps, guys. chill your nipps.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Ok if you hate immigrants so much what about their kids who didn't have a choice about wether or not they wanted to come just because their parents wanted a better life for them than they had themselves with better opportunities....wouldn't you do that for you kids too?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

All of you shit the fuck up and get me some pancake mix...

by Anonymous 14 years ago

If it was my fault, my insurance would have to cover it, but it was in no way at all my fault. His insurance has to cover everything. And seeing as how he has none, its coming out of my pocket. Aka, credit cards. That I can't pay. I'm not exaggerating one bit. I started beauty school august '08 when I was 18 still in high school. I would have been done august '09. Accident happened may '09. I couldn't get outta bed for over 3 months, meaning I couldn't finish high school or cosmo school. Even when I was able to get out of bed I couldn't go to school. Finally finished high school feb '10. And still have another 2 months or so of cosmo school. Even once I am done there though, I won't be able to get a job. I can't be on my feet or having my arms (shoulders) up doing hair/makeup 8 hours a day... And like someone also said a desk job is outta the question too. I've also never had a job before my accident (lucky enough to have parents that spoil me) so I can't even get disability or unem...

by Anonymous 14 years ago

@365444: its ridiculous, the guy that hit me hasn't had his life effected in any way. That really sucks you couldn't get any info on the guys :( the guy that hit me gave us a real name, so I can technically sue him. But that's really not gonna do me any good. He obviously doesn't have the money. And even though I have health and auto insurance, they're not responsible for any of my bills because I wasn't at fault. People always tell me 'it could be worse' or 'at least you're not dead' but come on really? Ugh, just do shit the legal way people.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

@utstudent: I have health insurance, its not their responsibilty to cover it because the accident WAS NOT MY FAULT. As I've already said, because it was his fault his insurance (which is non existent) has to cover EVERYTHING, not just my car. Most medical offices don't take 3rd party insurance which is what his (if he had it) insurance would be. So in my case all doctors or whoever else I may see bills my insurance first, then my insurance bill the other insurance. Seeing as how there is no other insurance involved, my insurance won't cover anything. And its not like I can just say well whatever ill just pass on the doctors then. I NEED to be seeing a physical therapist 3 times a week. Xrays to check my progress every other week. Various other doctors multiple times a month. I did everything right. License. Auto and health insurance. He didn't. So now I'm screwed. And he had a bent bumper. Totally cool though. Mhm.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Can I just say that the fact that he was an illegal immigrant really has nothing to do with your accident and the bills? A lot of legal immigrants, and even regular Americans, don't have insurance and get in wrecks. It's terrible that you are in that situation, but his illegal immigrant status is basically just a coincidence. Also, you shouldn't get X-rays every other week because all that radiation is really bad for you

by Anonymous 12 years ago

All Americans are entitled to a free education at a time in which they are not paying back society. Why should we deny this right to children whose parents were financially unable to legitimately immigrate into the United States?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

School taxes. Here in NY, we pay a SHITLOAD of school taxes. Technically, education is not free.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

For the parents, no. For the children, it is free.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

No. It's still not free. It says we are entitled to a free education, but we still have to pay.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

The children do not pay a dime for their education.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Not directly. The amount of money my parents pay for me to go to a public school could be going towards something else, like food, clothing, shelter, etc.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

@366705: I'm not saying children shouldn't have a right to an education, but here's a true story. My uncle went to some cal state meeting about grants for his daughter. He (a hard working legal citizen) was denied, but overheard a conversation where the reps told a group of illegal aliens to put a code in some area of their forms and they would automatically get the scholarships/grants. Now to me, that's not fair in one bit.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I hear loads of people complain about money going to unemployed people.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Not to mention school uniforms (which more and more schools are using) supplies; pecils, pens, binders, binder paper, highlighters, notebooks, calculators (graphing calculators can be $50-100+) etc, and that's a short list. Transportation, food, gym uniforms, various school events... Doesn't sound very free to me.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I'm gonna leave the immigration issue alone, but on education: The idea of public education is that education is a social right; that the government has a responsibility to provide it. To *everyone*. Those who earn enough to pay taxes pay into the system--considerably less, by the way, than they would pay if school weren't publicly funded--to make that possible. You don't just pay taxes so your kid can go to school, that's not how it works. You're making it possible for every child to get an education, including those who belong to families too poor to pay taxes. So, just because someone doesn't pay taxes isn't a reason to deny them an education. And if you want to say that that's borderline socialism (those who have contributing to provide for those who have not), guess what: IT IS. You also pay for everyone to have roads and bridges and a police force and any number of other public services. That's how civilized society works. Get over it.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

And that's what Obama wants! That guy is such an idiot.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I would like to see Americans picking grapes, tomatoes, any other fruit/vegetable in a hundred degree weather. I'm not saying all americans are the same, but take a look out out on the fields at the people harvesting your crops, what do you see? Illegals working there butts off and trying to make it through. Why are they there? Because it's the best they can get and they're better off here than the place they came from. They left for a reason.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Why is this downvoted? It's true.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Illegals need to be legit. The economy is already in the toilet, pay for your own shit. Sometimes I think it'd be better if we privatized education. But that's never gonna happen. Just. Everyone should be legal and pay their percentage of taxes. Like if poor people can only afford to pay $10 in taxes and rich can afford $100000, then so be it. At least the poor people are trying. It's dumb that illegals get away with stealing our money for education.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Children of undocumented immigrants are just as deserving of an education as any American child. When you were in kindergarten, how much money were you personally paying in taxes? Just because a child was born into a family that immigrated here illegally, it doesn't mean they should be denied the chance at an education.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

*It's really stupid how the military budget is taking all of the taxpayer's money. People who see cuts in education in health care are actually paying for the continued wars which are responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths. It's ridiculous. Also, YOU, OP, need to learn English. "It's really stupid how Illegal Immigrants" - should not be capitalized - "get free education and taking all of the tax payer's money." The verbs here are inconsistent. It's "get free education and take all of the tax payer's money." or "are getting free education and taking all of the tax payer's money."

by Anonymous 12 years ago