Personally, I believe marriage should be between man and woman. I am, however, glad this was passed. Although I personally don't believe it to be right, it is entirely unconstitutional to ban someone from a way of life. It is NOT our place to tell them they cannot be married, just because it's what we believe.
I respect and thank you for being completely mature and stating your beliefs eloquently instead of people like the jackass who just said, "well this is gay".
Apparently its not our place to tell them what is wrong, so who can? God clearly says it's an abomination aka he disagrees, but people don't want to listen because they want to live their own way. He also gave us agency to choose the wrong or right way, but that doesn't make doing the wrong thing acceptable.
The problem is not everyone believes in God, and a lot of people don't believe every word of the Bible. It's not fair to make a law based on religion because it's not fair to people who don't practice that religion. If YOUR religion disagrees with gay marriage, how about YOU don't marry someone of the same sex?
Doesn't mean the battle is over yet, its getting an appeal. So there still wont be any happily wed same sex couples for awhile. So keep up the support! (:
It was the Proposition in California passed in 2008 declaring marriage between man and women. Therefore banning gays from being able to marry in California. The LDS church was at the front of the campaign, pumping over $22 million into it to get it passed. One of the saddest days in California.
If God didn't want this to happen, then he wouldn't have let it happen. Prejudice is a sin too. For all you religious...people out there suck on this, "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged."-Luke 6,37. the Bible's as confusing as a mofo. If you ask me, its a broad as the Constitution, with more nursery rhymes.
Ok, now that's just not right saying if God didn't want this to happen he wouldn't have let it happen. God allows many things to happen that he doesn't like. We were given free will, but if you're a Christian you still believe that he is sovereign. I'm sure god didn't want the Holocaust to happen, but he allowed it to happen.
What I'm trying to say is that God lets things happen because they need to happen. Without the Holocaust, people wouldn't believe the evils of this world, they wouldn't understand the reality of the world they are living in. Same thing with 911 and all other events. Without 911, America would not pull itself together and work as one through their troubles, the government would not be under scrutiny for the things they do, and so on. Things happen for a reason, both the good, and the bad.
Ok I definitely wasn't saying that God doesn't interfere. Did you not catch the part where I said God is soereign? And yeah, definitely not rusty on my Bible stories.
And yes, that does make some sense although not applicable to everything. Everything does happen for a reason, and I don't know what this reason is though, but perhaps that's the beauty of God-you don't have to know his final plan.
(And check this out silveralpaca123-here's a Bible story) The story of Sodom and Gomorrah shows how homosexuality is a sin - as well as a passage in revelations telling who will be tossed into the fiery lake, among those being the sexually immoral. Now who needs to brush up?
Since you don't know his final plan, then how do you know that this whole situation is not a test of some sort? How do you know that God isn't just testing his "believers" to see who pick and choose what things of his word they want to thrust into other's faces. James 4 verse 12 is about judging others. Not only mentally, but lawfully too. People can't just make a law judging others based on their sexual preference. So who knows, this might be a test for you as well as everyone else.
But I do know his plan for us and that he does condemn sexuality, it isn't my right to judge them, if I had a gay friend I'd be against what he does, but I wouldn't hate him as a human
You probably wouldn't even have a gay friend because you're too high up on your pedestal. Nobody can know God's plan, or else he wouldn't be God...you would.
You may be missing our point supper4dinner. We aren't judging them, and we aren't saying that homosexuals are automatically terrible people. And it isn't our place to judge, but we don't have to support homosexuality.
I wasn't trying to force you to support homosexuality. I was just trying to get you to understand the different views on it. I do understand your point, I'm just a little stubborn.
Wait dosen't the bible also say that god accepts everyone. I mean if homo-sexuality makes you go to hell then the bible is wrong for that. God accepts them but not really? That like saying i like pie but only monday.
But he dosen't accept it? I really see no reason for gay people to be automatic sinners. I don't really think it should matter what your sexuallity is because if humans have been doing this for years then why are gay people hated at church. A person is a person and based on their actions besides sexuality their shouldnt be any problems with a gay person whos just as christian as anyone else to go to heaven.
Actually They aren't automatic sinners, technically you are homosexual if you have sex or whatever with the same gender, being attracted but not acting on it isn't being homosexual.
So it isn't possible for an actual gay person to be just as Christian as anyone else, because if they're gay they have also being immoral. Sex outside of marriage is just as bad a sin as being gay and having sex.
And 'gay' people; as in people attracted to the same gender, but haven't committed anything, are not hated, if you are actually gay, theres no point in been Christian because why follow a religion if you don't follow all of it?
This is kylermcgee's boyfriend, he is sitting right next to me and he wants you to know thanks for all the posts but honestly he doesnt believe in god or the bible and is just happy that he can have a life where he can be happy with who he is, god or no god. And you guys can argue and argue but you cant hate someone for being happy. Gay=happy bytheway! ;)
It is imposible to follow a religion perfectly. You sinning basicaly makes that comment impossible to agree with. So if you are homo-sexual and you havent exactly had sex with the same gender you're not sinning? Just because it makes sense ill agree with you. Now my arguing with you seems stupid for the fact that what you are saying makes the bible a little easier to understand. Thanks =)
I actually hate being negative so i find something good out of the debate/argument and actually try to make friends =P I know exactly how you feel about the supposed 'christians' hating gay people.
What ever happened to open mindedness. Grow up and respect people and accept them for who thEy are, not hide behind the shallow barrier of your own views.
How dies that make me homo? Cause in educated enough to make a judgement on a person based on their personality and not their sexual preference? Gee, you're so right. Everyone shoul be just as ignorant as you. My bad.
I don't mean to hurt any feelings or anything, but it's ridiculous that this was deemed this way since the voters of California actually didn't want it this way.
It shouldn't have to be a right since this is basically redefining the definition of a family as well. It was never meant to be this way. And this will be my last message wether you respond or not because fights over the internet are hardly worth it.
The definition of a family has been redefined many times throughout the years. Just a few decades ago, a single parent with their child would have been considered unacceptable. Also, the dictionary definition of a family is "a group of individuals living under one roof and usually under one head". Nothing has really changed, except in the eyes of bigots.
And I find it slightly amusing that after you wrote that you will not comment again, you did so.
haha I will give you that-I had to correct my grammar error, and by justifying that correction, I seem to be replying again. I've had this same fight way too many times, and it is tiring me.
Oh so I should be able to marry my dog then? Since marriage isn't between a man and a woman why not a man and a dolphin... Or a monkey, they're apparently very closely related.
I don't think it's fair to say that if a person becomes gay, then they automatically lose the ability to be a human. To have human emotions and to have the same liberties as other humans. Ever heard of the unenumerated rights? Well the pursuit of happiness is one of them. And if getting married to someone of the same sex makes someone happy, then it is 100% constitutional.
That was complete bullshit. They never should of overturned this. The law was fine the way it was. If the law was going to be overturned, why the fuck did we even vote on it? The majority ruled that gay marriage should be banned, so it should stay banned.
you can defy it if you wish, but keep in mind that in first Corinthians, it says that homosexuals are unrighteous and will not inherit the Kingdom of God, also look up Leviticus 18:22 and Romans 1:26-27. if you need more, go on http://www.gotquestions.org/gay-marriage.html
Personally, I believe marriage should be between man and woman. I am, however, glad this was passed. Although I personally don't believe it to be right, it is entirely unconstitutional to ban someone from a way of life. It is NOT our place to tell them they cannot be married, just because it's what we believe.
I respect and thank you for being completely mature and stating your beliefs eloquently instead of people like the jackass who just said, "well this is gay".
Apparently its not our place to tell them what is wrong, so who can? God clearly says it's an abomination aka he disagrees, but people don't want to listen because they want to live their own way. He also gave us agency to choose the wrong or right way, but that doesn't make doing the wrong thing acceptable.
The problem is not everyone believes in God, and a lot of people don't believe every word of the Bible. It's not fair to make a law based on religion because it's not fair to people who don't practice that religion. If YOUR religion disagrees with gay marriage, how about YOU don't marry someone of the same sex?
It's nice that someone can retain their opinion, but still see what's unconstitutional and what isn't. (:
Doesn't mean the battle is over yet, its getting an appeal. So there still wont be any happily wed same sex couples for awhile. So keep up the support! (:
It was the Proposition in California passed in 2008 declaring marriage between man and women. Therefore banning gays from being able to marry in California. The LDS church was at the front of the campaign, pumping over $22 million into it to get it passed. One of the saddest days in California.
Fuck yeah! Great news! :D
proud to be a californian tonight(: equal rights for everyone :D
I'm glad it was overturned. Who are YOU to stay someone should not be married. Rights are not to be voted on, otherwise they wouldn't be rights.
<3 love this. awesome evening.
well... it's not so much a "landmark" as a historical event...
Marriage is soo Gay
If God didn't want this to happen, then he wouldn't have let it happen. Prejudice is a sin too. For all you religious...people out there suck on this, "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged."-Luke 6,37. the Bible's as confusing as a mofo. If you ask me, its a broad as the Constitution, with more nursery rhymes.
Ok, now that's just not right saying if God didn't want this to happen he wouldn't have let it happen. God allows many things to happen that he doesn't like. We were given free will, but if you're a Christian you still believe that he is sovereign. I'm sure god didn't want the Holocaust to happen, but he allowed it to happen.
What I'm trying to say is that God lets things happen because they need to happen. Without the Holocaust, people wouldn't believe the evils of this world, they wouldn't understand the reality of the world they are living in. Same thing with 911 and all other events. Without 911, America would not pull itself together and work as one through their troubles, the government would not be under scrutiny for the things they do, and so on. Things happen for a reason, both the good, and the bad.
Ok I definitely wasn't saying that God doesn't interfere. Did you not catch the part where I said God is soereign? And yeah, definitely not rusty on my Bible stories.
And yes, that does make some sense although not applicable to everything. Everything does happen for a reason, and I don't know what this reason is though, but perhaps that's the beauty of God-you don't have to know his final plan.
(And check this out silveralpaca123-here's a Bible story) The story of Sodom and Gomorrah shows how homosexuality is a sin - as well as a passage in revelations telling who will be tossed into the fiery lake, among those being the sexually immoral. Now who needs to brush up?
And that is exactly why you cant just follow SOME commandments, sexual immorality is as wrong as anything else
exactly - sometimes it's just too much pressure, isn't it?
Yea and that is why there is repentance - noone is exempt from sin, and god doesn't expect us to be perfect
Since you don't know his final plan, then how do you know that this whole situation is not a test of some sort? How do you know that God isn't just testing his "believers" to see who pick and choose what things of his word they want to thrust into other's faces. James 4 verse 12 is about judging others. Not only mentally, but lawfully too. People can't just make a law judging others based on their sexual preference. So who knows, this might be a test for you as well as everyone else.
But I do know his plan for us and that he does condemn sexuality, it isn't my right to judge them, if I had a gay friend I'd be against what he does, but I wouldn't hate him as a human
You probably wouldn't even have a gay friend because you're too high up on your pedestal. Nobody can know God's plan, or else he wouldn't be God...you would.
and now you are the one judging.
I'm sorry muffinman, I do not believe god would send us here aimlessly, he does have a plan for us.
And about the gay friend, I Guess its true I don't have an openly gay but I don't think I'm better than everyone else?
You may be missing our point supper4dinner. We aren't judging them, and we aren't saying that homosexuals are automatically terrible people. And it isn't our place to judge, but we don't have to support homosexuality.
I wasn't trying to force you to support homosexuality. I was just trying to get you to understand the different views on it. I do understand your point, I'm just a little stubborn.
Are you really saying that God doesn't interfere? How about the Tower of Babel? Or how about the Great Flood? A little rusty on your Bible stories?
What was proposition 8? Sorry I just would like to know hha
I started crying when I found out about this.
Wait dosen't the bible also say that god accepts everyone. I mean if homo-sexuality makes you go to hell then the bible is wrong for that. God accepts them but not really? That like saying i like pie but only monday.
He Loves all his children, gay or not, they just aren't doing the wrong thing.
I god didn't accept gays, he wouldnt accept everyone who sinned, meaning everyone.
And they aren't going to 'hell'.
*if
Sorryy *they just aren't doing the RIGHT thing
Whoopies
WOOOOO!
LET'S THROW KINKY BACHELOR/BACHELORETTE PARTIES TO CELEBRATE!
I'm all for it, but one of the greatest events in history? I don't think so.
But he dosen't accept it? I really see no reason for gay people to be automatic sinners. I don't really think it should matter what your sexuallity is because if humans have been doing this for years then why are gay people hated at church. A person is a person and based on their actions besides sexuality their shouldnt be any problems with a gay person whos just as christian as anyone else to go to heaven.
Actually They aren't automatic sinners, technically you are homosexual if you have sex or whatever with the same gender, being attracted but not acting on it isn't being homosexual.
So it isn't possible for an actual gay person to be just as Christian as anyone else, because if they're gay they have also being immoral. Sex outside of marriage is just as bad a sin as being gay and having sex.
And 'gay' people; as in people attracted to the same gender, but haven't committed anything, are not hated, if you are actually gay, theres no point in been Christian because why follow a religion if you don't follow all of it?
This is kylermcgee's boyfriend, he is sitting right next to me and he wants you to know thanks for all the posts but honestly he doesnt believe in god or the bible and is just happy that he can have a life where he can be happy with who he is, god or no god. And you guys can argue and argue but you cant hate someone for being happy. Gay=happy bytheway! ;)
It is imposible to follow a religion perfectly. You sinning basicaly makes that comment impossible to agree with. So if you are homo-sexual and you havent exactly had sex with the same gender you're not sinning? Just because it makes sense ill agree with you. Now my arguing with you seems stupid for the fact that what you are saying makes the bible a little easier to understand. Thanks =)
Repentance is to correct sin.
Also I do not mean just sex, anything sexually immoral..
some of you people are incredibly frustrating and stubborn as hell. =]
I was thinking the exact same thing. D;
I know thats why you won that argument. You actually helped me understand the bible more. And i know what repentence is XP. But still thanks.
Haha I'm actually surprised something sorta positive came out of an Internet debate :)
I just hate the generalization of if your religious you must hate gays, which is false
I actually hate being negative so i find something good out of the debate/argument and actually try to make friends =P I know exactly how you feel about the supposed 'christians' hating gay people.
Delightful.
:D
What ever happened to open mindedness. Grow up and respect people and accept them for who thEy are, not hide behind the shallow barrier of your own views.
You homo
How dies that make me homo? Cause in educated enough to make a judgement on a person based on their personality and not their sexual preference? Gee, you're so right. Everyone shoul be just as ignorant as you. My bad.
It was a ban on gay marriage in California which as of tonight is gone :')
Well this sucks.
I don't mean to hurt any feelings or anything, but it's ridiculous that this was deemed this way since the voters of California actually didn't want it this way.
Rights are not supposed to be voted on.
It shouldn't have to be a right since this is basically redefining the definition of a family as well. It was never meant to be this way. And this will be my last message wether you respond or not because fights over the internet are hardly worth it.
The definition of a family has been redefined many times throughout the years. Just a few decades ago, a single parent with their child would have been considered unacceptable. Also, the dictionary definition of a family is "a group of individuals living under one roof and usually under one head". Nothing has really changed, except in the eyes of bigots.
And I find it slightly amusing that after you wrote that you will not comment again, you did so.
haha I will give you that-I had to correct my grammar error, and by justifying that correction, I seem to be replying again. I've had this same fight way too many times, and it is tiring me.
whether*
they already allow gay marriages in MA
Oh so I should be able to marry my dog then? Since marriage isn't between a man and a woman why not a man and a dolphin... Or a monkey, they're apparently very closely related.
Unless monkeys or dolphins suddenly become human, there is a distinct difference.
I don't think it's fair to say that if a person becomes gay, then they automatically lose the ability to be a human. To have human emotions and to have the same liberties as other humans. Ever heard of the unenumerated rights? Well the pursuit of happiness is one of them. And if getting married to someone of the same sex makes someone happy, then it is 100% constitutional.
I do believe that your metaphor is referring to gays as dogs, dolphins, and monkeys. naughty,naughty.
No it was saying that marrying another man is equal to marrying anything else.. If its not a man and a woman its not marriage
Definitions of "marriage" vary, and they all do not specify marriage as something that only occurs between a man and a woman. |:
I know, it shouldn't be marriage. They are redefining a family here with this. It wasn't meant to be this way.
Then if "marriage" is between a man and a woman, then just call it "Union" with a man/man, woman/woman.
That was complete bullshit. They never should of overturned this. The law was fine the way it was. If the law was going to be overturned, why the fuck did we even vote on it? The majority ruled that gay marriage should be banned, so it should stay banned.
Well this is gay. Just shows how California keeps on screwing up.
seriously, marriage was intended for one man and one woman not two of the same..
if god gave us free will then anyone should be able to marry who they want and you should be aloud to defy the bible.
you can defy it if you wish, but keep in mind that in first Corinthians, it says that homosexuals are unrighteous and will not inherit the Kingdom of God, also look up Leviticus 18:22 and Romans 1:26-27. if you need more, go on http://www.gotquestions.org/gay-marriage.html
Separation of church and state.
Touché
and O_0 was saying that God gave us the free will to marry whoever we want and i was explaining why gay marriage is wrong according to the Bible.
But marriage isn't marriage if it isn't between a man and a woman... Go make up some gay ceremony for them?
the people who pushed for this are so gay...
Haha, I think I'm the only one who got the joke.
No, you're just the only one immature enough to laugh at it
Haha, no need to get so angry. I just had a little chuckle, and didn't vote the comment down because I'm not so over sensitive like other people.
That's awesome, I didn't vote it down either.