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Unless it's rape.

I don't see the big deal with virginities, it's just sex... You're allowing someone to put their penis in you or/and putting your penis inside a vagina. It's very primitive, only society has made a big deal out of it.

@Tallglassofwater I don't see the big deal with virginities, it's just sex... You're allowing someone to put their penis in you...

Exactly. It's the closest you're (probably) ever gonna be with/to somebody. I mean, you either have a part of them inside of you, or you're putting a part of you inside them.

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@Exactly. It's the closest you're (probably) ever gonna be with/to somebody. I mean, you either have a part of them...

And yes, I'm aware the comment is months late. When I read posts, I usually use the random button.

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@Tallglassofwater I don't see the big deal with virginities, it's just sex... You're allowing someone to put their penis in you...

The reason why it is a big deal is because of the child that comes out of it and the STD's involved. It's taking that risk if you are unprotected that you are commiting yourself to the other. If using a condom, who really cares? Its the idea that you were doing it if it was protected.

@Phil The reason why it is a big deal is because of the child that comes out of it and the STD's involved. It's taking...

Wait, since when does loosing your virginity = having unprotected sex? Most of the people all up tight about "saving it until marraige" or whatever would never even consider doing it without protection unless they were trying to conceive. I just don't understand the point of waiting, or how it's "sweet/romantic to loose your virginites to each other."

everyones gotta someitme

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If they're married, yeah. Otherwise, it's not so sweet/romantic with the next person. Because you gave it away before you were absolutely committed and sure. And waited.

@fEMMAnist Who says not being married means you're not sure?

Not necessarily that you are not sure. But if you aren't married, you haven't tied the knot, and there is always the possibilty of breaking up. Why not wait for marriage if you really love the person?

@PurpleKneeSox Not necessarily that you are not sure. But if you aren't married, you haven't tied the knot, and there is always...

In marriage there is still a possibility that you will break up. It happens a lot actually. If you really want to have sex, why wait until you have a piece of jewelry?

@fEMMAnist In marriage there is still a possibility that you will break up. It happens a lot actually. If you really want to...

Yes, I'm aware of that. Though, it's not so simply. Marriage means committment to your partner, emotionally, physically, legally, etc. It's not just a piece of jewelry. And if all you want is to really have sex, then you need to get your priorities sorted out. Sex =/= love. If you are in love with a person, then sex shouldn't be a make or break.

@PurpleKneeSox Yes, I'm aware of that. Though, it's not so simply. Marriage means committment to your partner, emotionally...

I've never seen the value of marriage. Sure, if it makes you happy there is no reason to not get married. But really, if you love someone and want to be with them emotionally, physically, sexually, and spiritually you don't need a ceremony to prove it. What's so special about a party, a ring, and a random legal document? If I love someone, I want them to stay with me because they love me to, not because they feel legally responsible.
When I look at all the wedding shows, the advertisements, and even wedding some receptions, it seems all about wearing expensive clothes, partying, getting tons of gifts, and getting attention. To me, the whole thing seems superficial and ridiculous. I don't feel need a wedding have to have grace and true love.
If all you want is to have sex. I'd say go for it. Have as much random sex as you want. If you don't want sex, don't have sex. Just do what makes you happy.

@fEMMAnist I've never seen the value of marriage. Sure, if it makes you happy there is no reason to not get married. But...

Not all weddings are huge and white and gaudy. Have you never heard of simple, small marriages with just close family and friends?

I don't think there will really be any way to convince you of my argument, because mine is based in a faith that you don't share... so this discussion is virtually pointless.

@fEMMAnist What faith that I don't share?

I am a Christian, hence my morals include such that sex before marriage is wrong.

@PurpleKneeSox I am a Christian, hence my morals include such that sex before marriage is wrong.

I am also a Christian, and I do not believe that sex before marriage is wrong. There are many denominations and sects of Christianity neither you nor I can speak for all of them.

@fEMMAnist I am also a Christian, and I do not believe that sex before marriage is wrong. There are many denominations and...

the Bible makes me wonder at why you would even endeavor to claim such a title as 'Christian'. You can't serve two masters.

@PurpleKneeSox the Bible makes me wonder at why you would even endeavor to claim such a title as 'Christian'. You can't serve two...

If I'm not a Christian because I don't believe that sex wrong, then the majority of Christians aren't Christian either.

@fEMMAnist If I'm not a Christian because I don't believe that sex wrong, then the majority of Christians aren't Christian either.

I never said you weren't a Christian; that is between you and God. However, you can read a person by the fruit they bear (the way they live).
In case that was not a typo, we are debating sex before marriage, not just sex.
Saying that sex before marriage is not a sin doesn't mean that you are not a Christian. Saying that the Bible contains lies or fallacies, however, points to an ignorant mind and one who does not truly grasp some of the ideas within Christianity.

@PurpleKneeSox I never said you weren't a Christian; that is between you and God. However, you can read a person by the fruit they...

I don't mean to say the Bible is a lie. I mean to say one needs to understand the context in which the Bible was written to understand how people are to live in modern society.

@fEMMAnist I don't mean to say the Bible is a lie. I mean to say one needs to understand the context in which the Bible was...

How is "The marriage bed is to be kept pure" taken out of context? That's even in the New Testament, so you can't pull the old 'Old Testament doesn't count' card. God intended marriage to be the pure union of two individuals who saved themselves for each other. That's a pretty timeless concept. God's laws don't change simply because of what is more widely accepted in society nowadays.

@PurpleKneeSox How is "The marriage bed is to be kept pure" taken out of context? That's even in the New Testament, so you can't...

Well lets see... who ever said purity had anything to do with how much sex you have? Purity means "the state of being unsullied by sin or moral wrong; lacking a knowledge of evil" it does not really have much to do with sex. Besides, that quote is about not sleeping around when you're married, it's not about sex between to unwed people.

@fEMMAnist Well lets see... who ever said purity had anything to do with how much sex you have? Purity means "the state of...

1 Corinthians 7:2: "Since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband."
Sexual purity means that you save your body for one man/woman.

@PurpleKneeSox 1 Corinthians 7:2: "Since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own...

That verse only applies to married people. Just saying. Purity doesn't necessarily have to do with sex.

@fEMMAnist That verse only applies to married people. Just saying. Purity doesn't necessarily have to do with sex.

I'm not even Christian but I know that Emma truly has faith in her book whereas the other one in the debate is just relaying what was beat into it as a child.

@fEMMAnist That verse only applies to married people. Just saying. Purity doesn't necessarily have to do with sex.

Not always, it doesn't, but in context, this verse and the others are talking about sexual purity. That verse means, point blank, that men and women are to have ONE partner.
The Bible has several verses that speak against 'sexual immorality', both of homosexual nature and of premarital nature. God created marriage not only so that a man and a woman could be bonded under the law, but so that they could express their passion in a moral way.

Back to the verse that states that the marriage bed is to be kept pure, if a person were to have sex with someone other than the person they will marry, they would be bringing an undefiled body to the marriage bed, thus defiling it.

@PurpleKneeSox Not always, it doesn't, but in context, this verse and the others are talking about sexual purity. That verse...

If you're going to take the Bible literally, then you might as well get some slaves, sacrifice some goats, and send a mother bear to kill 42 innocent children. If these horrendously-out-of-date verses don't apply today, then why should the ones you listed?

@Brett If you're going to take the Bible literally, then you might as well get some slaves, sacrifice some goats, and send...

The things you mentioned are from the Old Testament; a lot of things in the Old Testament that don't make sense nowadays were cultural and societal standards, and some are things that simply had to be because the people didn't have a Savior yet (such as the extremely strict moral code).

@PurpleKneeSox The things you mentioned are from the Old Testament; a lot of things in the Old Testament that don't make sense...

How about a new testament verse: "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent." 1 Timothy 2:12

There are ridiculous pre-medieval philosophies throughout the Bible. You just have to read it to see its atrocities.

@Brett How about a new testament verse: "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be...

Yes, I'm aware of that verse. There are so many ways I could explain that verse to you, but I will keep it simple for the sake of convenience; women are not the same as men. We were created for different roles in life, just like the age old analogy of a man being the head of his house and his wife being the neck. This isn't to say that women can't teach or have positions of authority; again, this aspect was also a heavily cultural factor. God is in no way a sexist. There are many, many situations in which women had very important roles in the Bible.

@PurpleKneeSox Yes, I'm aware of that verse. There are so many ways I could explain that verse to you, but I will keep it simple...

You are twisting Bible verses to mean whatever you want them to mean. You take the Bible literally when it says that homosexuality is a sin, and yet when it says to buy a slave, stone blasphemers, or deny women basic human rights, you corrupt it to say whatever you want it to say. The fact is is that the Bible blatantly said that women must not hold authority over a man. It didn't say anything about women having slightly different roles in society, like you claim it does.

@Brett You are twisting Bible verses to mean whatever you want them to mean. You take the Bible literally when it says...

I'm not twisting them; you have to take things in the Bible in context, not all literally or all figurative or all out of date. It's like prophetic verses, whose meanings are figurative and metaphoric.
Like I said, some rules in the Bible are part of the culture and societal standards of the time; however, there are certain foundational standards that don't change. Murder being a sin, lying being a sin, sexual immorality being a sin, homosexuality being a sin, etc. Those are basic and not subject to one's own interpretation, though many people try to twist them so that they can believe what they want to believe and block out the rest.
Anywho, this is neither the time, nor the place, nor the subject for this kind of argument to be brought up.

@PurpleKneeSox Not always, it doesn't, but in context, this verse and the others are talking about sexual purity. That verse...

I believe that being a good Christian means being strong in faith, rich in worship, and active in service. I don't believe that being a good christian has anything to do with how much sex you have because honestly, it's not that important.

@fEMMAnist I believe that being a good Christian means being strong in faith, rich in worship, and active in service. I don't...

You don't think that following God's commandments are important? You can't pick and choose which parts of Christianity or the Bible that you want to believe and follow.

@PurpleKneeSox 1 Corinthians 7:2: "Since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own...

The bible also said we couldn't pierce or ink ourselves with tattoos but basically every girl in the world has her ears pierced.

@fEMMAnist If I'm not a Christian because I don't believe that sex wrong, then the majority of Christians aren't Christian either.

And also, the majority of so-called Christians really don't live as if 'Christian' is anything more than a title. The majority of "Christians" are not followers of Christ.

@PurpleKneeSox And also, the majority of so-called Christians really don't live as if 'Christian' is anything more than a title...

Congratulations. You are the new Scrantoncity. Here's a few tips:
1) Befriend Amish_Allosaurus. He will serve as your sidekick/backup.
2) Comment on anything remotely related to gay marriage, premarital sex, abortion, religion, and government.
3) Be condescending and pick on everyone's grammar.
4) Refer people to links to sketchy Christian sites.
5) Claim you have won when the other person has gotten so fed up with your circular reasoning and stubborn temperament that they stop trying to reason with you.
There you go. Happy trolling!

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@annikarosee Congratulations. You are the new Scrantoncity. Here's a few tips: 1) Befriend Amish_Allosaurus. He will serve as...

Look, I'm not Scrantoncity, so don't stereotype me as someone like that simply because my beliefs differ from yours. That kid seemed to have some issues; I'm not snarky for the fun of it, I debate with facts and with my beliefs. Thanks.

@PurpleKneeSox Look, I'm not Scrantoncity, so don't stereotype me as someone like that simply because my beliefs differ from...

I was kidding. Chill yo' balls. I completely and totally respect all faiths, including yours.

And Ryan didn't have issues, trust me, I was good friends with him.

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@annikarosee I was kidding. Chill yo' balls. I completely and totally respect all faiths, including yours. And Ryan didn't...

It didn't really seem like you were kidding, but ok.

I'm not saying he did; there was just something about his tone when he spoke to people that came off as arrogant and condescending, but I never really talked to him personally, so I can't really make assumptions.

@PurpleKneeSox It didn't really seem like you were kidding, but ok. I'm not saying he did; there was just something about his...

It's hard to detect jokes sometimes, and for that I apologize.

Yes you did... you said, "That kid seemed to have issues" You blatantly said it. But either way, that's just how he was. He was nice when you got to know him.

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@fEMMAnist I am also a Christian, and I do not believe that sex before marriage is wrong. There are many denominations and...

Ok, I'll narrow it down for you. I am a follower of Jesus Christ and the one true God. I believe that the Bible is God-inspired and is true, all the way through. (2 Timothy 3:16) The Bible says that homosexuality is wrong. (Romans 1:25-30, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Leviticus 20:13). The Bible also says that sex before marriage is wrong, that men and women alike need to keep themselves pure for the person they will marry. (Hebrews 13:4, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Corinthians 7:2) In addition to this, the Bible says that women are to dress modestly so as not to draw attention excessively to themselves or things that could lead guys to be tempted to think perverted thoughts. (1 Timothy 2:9, 1 Peter 3:3-4)
And yet, you have argued with me against the truth of all of these. I don't know what kind of Christian you claim to be, or what Bible you read, but I can guarantee you, we are NOT of the same faith. To blatantly deny the truth of these kind of things that are stated so simply in

@PurpleKneeSox Ok, I'll narrow it down for you. I am a follower of Jesus Christ and the one true God. I believe that the Bible is...

The bible is also pro-slavery and pro-stoning female adulterers, jsyk. I'm happy that you are faithful to your religion but some parts are outdated.

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@Katffro The bible is also pro-slavery and pro-stoning female adulterers, jsyk. I'm happy that you are faithful to your...

The things you mentioned are from the Old Testament; a lot of things in the Old Testament that don't make sense nowadays were cultural and societal standards, and some are things that simply had to be because the people didn't have a Savior yet (such as the extremely strict moral code).

@PurpleKneeSox The things you mentioned are from the Old Testament; a lot of things in the Old Testament that don't make sense...

But you believe Christians are supposed to follow ALL aspects of the Bible, which happen to include the Old Testament.

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@PurpleKneeSox Ok, I'll narrow it down for you. I am a follower of Jesus Christ and the one true God. I believe that the Bible is...

The scriptures are holy but every person has their own unique interpretation of the Bible. Everyone in the world believes something different about the Bible. If you think everybody who doesn't believe the exact same things as you do isn't a christian, you must think you are the only christian in the world. There are many diverse forms of Christianity and it is silly of you to say they the people who follow them aren't christian.
The Bible says to love everybody and treat everybody with respect. Treating girls like sluts, calling them names, and judging people in a bigoted way is clearly not a christian or good thing to do.

@fEMMAnist The scriptures are holy but every person has their own unique interpretation of the Bible. Everyone in the world...

Christians shouldn't either, for the reason you stated; we are supposed to love everyone and treat them with respect and graciousness, regardless of their sin.

@fEMMAnist The scriptures are holy but every person has their own unique interpretation of the Bible. Everyone in the world...

There's not really room for "unique interpretation" in the sentence, "The marriage bed is to be kept pure and undefiled." Yes, non-Christians see the Bible differently than Christians. But you can't pick and choose what verses are true and which aren't. It's an all or nothing deal. It's sad that a lot of so-called Christians today don't even accept all of God's Word, picking out what they want to believe and what they don't. These people are ignorant and apparently don't understand Christianity very well. 2 Timothy 3:16: "ALL Scripture is God-inspired and useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness." You can't claim that this verse didn't mean what it so obviously states.
Believe it or not, there are a lot of people that believe that the entire Bible is true. Sadly, we are not the majority. But such a group of people that are truly devoted to living for God does exist.
Like I said before, I don't do that. People who call themselves

@PurpleKneeSox There's not really room for "unique interpretation" in the sentence, "The marriage bed is to be kept pure and...

So you don't believe in evolution? I surrender. I can't argue with people who don't use logic to form their opinions.

@fEMMAnist So you don't believe in evolution? I surrender. I can't argue with people who don't use logic to form their opinions.

No, personally, I don't. However, you are comparing apples to oranges. The verses I listed and the subjects to which they pertain are specific and straight-forward. You can't misinterpret "The marriage bed is to be undefiled" so badly that you somehow get "Nah, it's ok if the marriage bed is defiled." Evolution, however, is not mentioned. The Bible does say that God created the world, but He never specifically says how other species and such came to be. Therefore, that particular subject IS open to interpretation.
I personally disagree with evolution because the theory is more scientifically flawed and unprovable than you care to believe.

@PurpleKneeSox If they're married, yeah. Otherwise, it's not so sweet/romantic with the next person. Because you gave it away...

I agree. It's only sweet when their married, otherwise it's just the same as the next person. and to comment on rumi, not everyone has to. it's not like dying.

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@Agirl I agree. It's only sweet when their married, otherwise it's just the same as the next person. and to comment on...

I agree it's completely disgusting that anyone would think of doing it outside marriage, despite divorce rates being at their highest there's nothing more sacred!

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PurpleKneeSox really needs to get laid

i agree with what you say about sex before marriage not being a good idea, but i 100% disagree with you about homosexuality being a sin. I believe that god said we shouldn't have sex before marriage to guard us against broken hearts. But people are free beings and we (and you) sin everyday and as each sin is "equal" to the next, who are we to judge when we lie/covet/get jealous everyday?

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I did that

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Well it takes 2 to have sex...

@autumnleavess Well it takes 2 to have sex...

Yes, but the point is, when two people have sex, only one of them may be losing their virginity, the other may have had sex before. So it's sweet when they're both virgins.

Nothing says adorable like a frustrated girl and a guy that isn't sure which hole to put it in y smilie

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