Employers should re-think how they pay workers. I can understand paying men more than females, seeing men are typically the breadwinners of a family, but employers should think about the lives of their workers. For example if one of the workers is a single mother of 3 kids, they should pay her the same as a male. And if a male worker has a wife who makes a 6 figure income, he can take a cut, a... amirite?
If a man and a woman are doing the same job, the man is statistically more likely to make more money. I can't understand that.
same. "men are typically the breadwinners of the family." you can't assume that and pay women less because of how some families in your area work.
Exactly, it's bullshit. You also can't ask an employee personal questions like that because it's an invasion of privacy. People should be paid for the work they do, regardless of who's doing the job,
are you all fuckin retards, if the situation is not the male being the breadwinner, then yes the female should be paid more so she can support her family
No, I don't care if you have 600 kids and your co-worker has 0. If you are doing the EXACT SAME JOB as someone else, you should be getting paid EXACTLY the same as the other person, regardless of your personal situation.
And frankly, I find it quite scary somebody has that type of mindset.
But that makes no sense... Someone with no kids could probably live off $50 a week (for example) but someone with 5 kids couldn't!
They should have thought about that before they popped off five kids then. I can't quite tell if you're being sarcastic at my post or not though so I won't bother saying anymore. ('tis hard to determine sarcasm on teh interwebs)
Maybe when they were more financially stable when they had those kids. And even if they shouldn't have had them, what do you expect them to do about it? "Sorry kids, it was stupid of me to have you so you all have to get back into the womb." Even if the parent made a stupid choice, it doesn't mean that their children should suffer for it. I'm not saying that I agree with the post, but the comment Rainbow35 made above the one I'm replying to certainly has merit.
If you're working a job where you can't afford to raise five children, then you shouldn't have five children. If that were the case, people would have babies just to make money, it's bullshit. I know that's what would happen because I've SEEN it happen. In northern communities and reserves welfare increases with the number of children. There are families of 12 children with an alcoholic mother who just keeps having babies because she gets more money. It's bullshit.
People get paid to do a job, they should be paid equally for each job.
$50 a week? I hope that is after home expenses, electricity, plumbing, and other living necessities. o.o
men do the jobs better
Go fuck yourself
ignoring the immense amount of ignorance/trolling in this statement, i want to know, what if it was something like tampon testing?
well thats my point, a male is normally the breadwinner and expected to bring home income, whereas a female is generaly supplemental income
you can't make these generalizations, though, it's actually incredibly sexist, i know plenty of wives that make more than their husbands.
Ever hear of single mothers?
and you're saying that's okay? Just because that's how its been doesn't mean its right
haha very clever
People should be paid depending on what they EARN, not on what genital organ they have or what their life is like. The end.
So it doesn't matter if a really talented person works their butt off day in and day out, they still should still take a pay cut just because their spouse is working? Does that mean that people should also be promoted and fired based on their situations at home instead of their competence?
like i said, if a women is trying to support a family by herself (i.e. her husband is an alcoholic/divorced) she should be paid as much, if not more than a male doing the same job
Why are you automatically assuming that she's being paid less than a man doing the same job as her? I've got two friends at McDonalds, a girl and a guy. Last I checked, they're both making minimum wage.
Statistically men do get paid more than women. Obviously that doesn't apply to every job, but in general it's true.
Yes, if you add up the incomes of a bunch of men and compare the average to that of a bunch of women's incomes. But that's because in many families, men are still the ones bringing in the primary income. Women are less likely to hold jobs with high paying saleries. That's VERY different from the idea that women in general are paid less because of their sex.
Actually, in the corporate world, a woman and man could have the same job title, but the man will statistically get paid more.
If shes doing the same job as the male, she should be getting paid the same amount of money, regardless if she has a situation like that at home or not.
why would someone get paid more if they have a divorce? thats like reinforcing the idea of having more kids you cant provide for or people faking incidents of alcoholism and shit. just because someone has a screwed up life, yea that sucks, but they have to work just as hard as someone else, besides if that were the case it would be more incentive for an employer to not hire single women or divorced couples or whatever and theyd end up more screwed over, so dumb idea
well if you think of my post without sexists biased it makes sense and would work well
Ignoring the bit about men and women, it's still unfair to adjust a person's wages according to their personal lives. It's the employee's job to try and find a job they like with a salary that will support their life style, not the employer's job to hand out salaries to match whatever life styles the employees wants.
not at all? it makes no sense to have someone get paid more for doing the same thing whether both are women or both or women or whatever combination it doesnt make sense
but if we did it my way, families would be better off, if a couple works at the same place, doing the same job, making the same money, and makes 6 figures they'll be shittin money, and if at the same time a single mother does the same job for the same pay, and can barely support her kids why would you pay the female as much as the male, and give more money to the single mother
im not sure if you noticed but your post is suggesting communism .... now im not saying its a bad thing but your idea would basically make a classless society and then to uphold that we would become communists .... now i dont like how alot of the time people dont have what they need to live suitable comfortable lives but we cant get both equality and democracy ... though the goverment does have ways to compensate those who do not have what they need, like welfare and other such things
I think he(/she) is commenting on a research that was made recently that showed that men usually happen to get payed more for the same job position. Even though i disagree with OP and he's not really making any sense I definitely wouldn't say that it's as discriminating as your example. There are definite differences between men and women, not so much between races.
Actually, there are more differences between races than sexes. You can tell by the bones of a person what race they are, just the same as you can what gender they are. Also, there are certain diseases that are more likely within different races, different races that are statistically more physically stronger, etc. That's not to say that one is better than any other, but it's to say that sexism is JUST AS BAD as racism, and that there ARE definite differences between races, the same as gender.
"there are more differences between races than sexes." Well first of all that's just not true. There are only very small differences between races, most of which has to do with looks which should not be very important anyway and there are massive difference between the sexes compared to that. "sexism is JUST AS BAD as racism" I agree with that. Try reading the very first line of my comment; #527634.
Actually, physically, there ARE more differences. The differences are simply more subtle between races than between sexes.
How can you even say that? Okay women have vaginas, periods and give birth to children, men don't. Men have penises and can produce sperm, women don't. Already at this point it is clear that genders have bigger differences than races.
Go deeper. Difference in bones are greater between races than between sexes, however they're less obvious. There are huge obvious differences between sexes, but the subtle physical differences internally between races are more.
Okay, I am not a scientist, but I am pretty sure that even the differences in bone structure is much greater between men and women. For example you can tell from the size of the hips on a skeleton whether it's a man or a woman. It is much harder to deduct the race of the skeleton (if even possible). And even if I am wrong on that account, there are still more differences between genders. End of story. I'm sorry, but your position on this is quite ludicrous.
Well, from what I remember of my year long Anthropology course, there are greater physical differences between race than sex (though I don't believe it's a huge difference, simply more). And yes, it's very possible to tell race from bone structure.
I still don't think you're right, but what about mental differences. Many tests show the huge psychological differences between women and men, but almost any difference in the psychology of a race is most likely cultural and therefore shouldn't count.
I could go get my old text book, but I don't know where it is or if I sold it or not.
I dunno, I was just going physically. We could go with likely hood of various diseases amongst various races too, if we wanna talk differences. Also, I think there may be also various degrees of various mental illnesses amongst various races as well.
But my point is that racism is just as bad as sexism, so this conversation is pointless lol.
Did i say that? No. I said it's not as obviously wrong as if it were about races. So at least this could be argued for.
Lol. Again I never said that sexism is not as bad as racism. Alright, let me give you an example of what I'm trying to say; Earlier i saw a post that said men shouldn't be allowed to vote on whether women can have abortions or not. I disagreed with that as well as i disagreed with this. But I wouldn't call the OP sexist because there was some logic behind it and you could make credible arguments for it. With this post if you took an example of a job that involved manuel labor a man would probably be able to do more work and therefore you might pay him more.
Yeah I'm basically just saying it's 95% sexist and 5% stupid, but that's still not as bad as 100% racist. Goodbye to you too.
but its a fact men are breadwinners. go lick some pussy you feminist lesbian
I bet the OP is like 12.
The idiocy in this post blows my mind.
While I agree that a man and woman should get the same pay for the same job, I don't think anyone should get paid more or less because of their situation. . .
And 'if a male worker has a wife who makes a 6 figure income, he can take a cut'. Wth? If a male works hard, why should he have to take a pay cut if his wife makes a lot of money? That makes no sense.
When I first read this I honestly thought it was a troll. Are you serious? Okay, lets PRETEND, I had gone through 8 years of university to become a doctor, spending a lot of time and money. Because of all that hard work, and good decision-making, I know have a good life. So OP, are you saying I should make the same amount of money as a single mother working at a gas station? It would ruin the point of working your way through school, trying to get a good job, make good choices, instead of thinking "Oh, I don't need to try, I can do whatever I want, I'll still get paid the same" It's just doesn't make sense to me.
for a doctor, you sure are having dumb moment. the op means people working at the same profession, so like if there's another female doctor working where you work, but she's a single mother of, let's say, six kids, she should be payed so that she can provide for the family.
im saying that getting paid more for a low class job if you are having problems takes the point out of going to school and trying to get a better job. Honestly, every student would stop trying in school, cause there would be no point
oh. but by the time you're in that situation, you can't really go back to school
yea, but you should've made good decisions earlier in your life.
Yeah, but are there going to be cutoffs for each job? Because if you've got 12 kids and you're working at a gas station, by the OPs idea, you could make as much as a single doctor.
That's a good point, but (not trying to sound cheesy here :P ) life has it's problems, and you have to find a way thruogh them. You can't just expect to get more money if you're having problems. and still the cons strongly over power the pros.
Yes. That's what I've been saying.
a gas station isnt a hospitol, the dr would get way more money
glad we've come to an agreement :P@534593 (2_bettrthan1): uhm...okay.
yes forget the men women stuff you cant award someone for having kids or a messed up life, yea thats rough but they should work just as hard because someone who does a great job isnt gonna get fired because they have a wife who works and no kids, and employers never gonna do that cause it costs them and its unfair.
if someone is an alcoholic but wants to turn their life around by getting a job, i think they should have an equal chance at it
they should and will, but they shouldnt get paid more because there an alcoholic.
It's not awarding them, it's helping them.
Call it what you want, it's still more incentive for people to not try at their jobs because if their lives suck, hey! They'll just get money anyway! Why not give every hobo on the street money for doing nothing, because they're on the street, and that sucks. Even if they're just too lazy to get a job (speaking not of abused runaways or ill/mentally ill people), so that's where they ended up.
That's a good point...
it wouldnt work even if i thought it was a good idea it would not work in the real world, employers dont want to pay good workers less and okay workers more just cause they are single etc. and like i said before it would be incentive not to hire them if you have to pay them more and therefore it would be more difficult to even find a job or get any money
assuming every1 does the same job, and works just as hard....
Fuck this debate, lets all go to Communism and then the government provides all the necessities... That is.. if it doesn't corrupt..
The amount of money you make should depend on the quality of service/labor that you provide for your employer, not on your personal life. It doesn't matter how many children you have; if somebody does your job BETTER than you, then they deserve to get paid more. So either keep up, or stop complaining.
this is the most screwed up post i cant believe people actually agreed with this? so if a woman and a man are doing the same job a man gets more? thats absolutely absurd, salaries come from hard work, not race gender or any other bullshit. women are smarter than men, scientifically proven and they stilll get screwed over because of jerks like you. women are breadwinners too and men shouldnt get paid more cause they are insecure and need the confidence to be able to say they provide for their family and not their wife. these are the posts that make me wonder what mankind is turning into. everyones equal and if someone has more talent in a job they should get paid more not if they have more kids?
I interpreted the post differently than you. Ididn't think it was saying women SHOULD get paid less, I think its noting that they do get paid less and should be paid more. I agree that , if holding the same job & title, men and women should be paid equally
"women are smarter than men, scientifically proven" You have to speak up a bit i couldn't hear you over the sound of bullshit coming out of your muth.
thtas supposedly true but it would be generalizy like when sm1 said "men are usually support a family while women dont" theyre both generalizations so using one against the other is just proving you enjoy being a hypocrite .... im sure we all know many stupid men and women
Okay, first of all try to improve your spelling. Secondly you're going off on a tangent, I'm not talking about generalizing. You were basically saying that it's been scientifically proven that the average male intelligence is lower than the average female intelligence which is bullshit.
Shouldn't someone who NEEDS to be paid more, be paid more? So what if someone's "better", but they don't need the money as much? If you had 5 or something kids to raise and got paid substantially less than someone who was "better" but didn't need the money, that wouldn't be fair!
Fair is equal pay for equal work, regardless of Ll other circumstances. What you are saying is the unfair idea.
No, paying someone because they've got children isn't fair. Don't have kids if you can't afford them.
What you're saying is stupid and in actuality the unfair situation. If I'm working a tough job and doing amazingly, I should get paid for that. If someone who has five kids and is doing the same job as me, they sure as hell shouldn't get paid more simply because they've got babies or whatever. It's bullshit.
Edit: You're acting like having children is something that's forced upon people. You CHOOSE to have children. Don't fucking have them if you can't support them. You're just advocating for sluts.
Sorry but I have to point out the irony that cracked me up. "Don't fucking have [children] if you..."
(Mods+are+HOT): Bahaha I didn't even realize that :)
Yeah I guess. You're right, but I also think what I was saying makes sense... (But it probably doesn't anyway, I'm a bit crazy. :P)
I think that the idea behind what you're saying is good; it would be nice to live in a world where everyone had equal opportunity. But that's just not how it works because it's simply not fair.
cough feminist cough lesbian cough
just because think women dont have the rights they deserve makes me a lesbian? i may be a feminist but that has nothing to do with being a lesbian because most men arent so narrow minded and dont believe men should make more than women
shouldn't you go make a sandwhich
shouldnt you go get a job or a girlfriend
i have both, she agrees with me
Where did you find the scientific research that proves women are smarter than men?
Sure, I'll eat it while I play Halo. You do the fucking dishes. Gain a fucking IQ point, women can do anything a guy can in a career field.
she cant play NFL
OHH NOEZZZ! i can't play in the NFL?! my life is meaningless. i guess i'll go give birth to a human being or something mundane like that.
cough Sexist cough How about this, whoever works harder gets paid more, not depending on the circumstances in that employee's life.
Men are stronger, but if a job doesn't require heavy lifting/two workers can lift the same amount of weight, they should be paid the same.
And someone shouldn't get paid more for having more kids. The women need to close their legs and men need to keep in in their pants if they can't afford kids.
It shouldn't matter what the person's life is like. As long as everyone is doing the same job and working just as hard as everyone else, they should be paid equally.
Bullshit. You should get paid for the work you do. Period.
how about when the single mother of 3 , with her dumb ass raise, ends up getting more money and surpassing the man and woman with the six figures... would they lower her salary? this is just dumb.
It doesn't matter how many kids they have, or who the breadwinner is. People shoudl get paid for the work they do, not for who they are, or their family situation.
I get where you're coming from, but you never know. There are women out there that would beat up a robber and men out there that wouldn't touch crap that was all over the bathroom floor.
Uhm, I'm a woman and I was ALWAYS the one to clean stuff. I'm a black belt so if anything were to happen, I would have been the one keeping the other employees safe. So that's just not true.
too long didn't read
Go back to MLIA
actually I've never been to MLIA its a common troll post
No one hires my dad because he is disabled even though he is only 48 & can do A LOT of things so my mom is the only one who works. I am not only enough to get a job yet since I'm only 13.
Welcome to the 21st century!!! Get with the program and stop insulting people!!!
this is the internet, its from the 21st century. This is called trolling. Thank-you
besides they have federal agencies for helping single motehrs and stuff like thatr
even stil, they're poorer than any married couple
Not necessarily. And again, if you're a single mother, that sucks, but you CHOSE to have children.
Okay, I agree with you're side and everyone else who has been saying that this idea isn't actually as fair as it seems, but I think we all need to stop making the point that "a single mom chose to have children". Yes, she may have made that choice (may, because let's face it, sometimes a child is an accidental pregencey), but she didn't CHOOSE to be a single mom. That's a completely different situation that may have resulted after having a child. She can't base her choices on a future she can't see. Basically, I don't think that's a valid point to use. But other than that, I'm in total agreement. This payment idea isn't fair nor does it make much sense.
How do you know? Many women make the choice to be a single mother, it's the amazing part of the scientific advancements made. Also, it's pretty damn easy NOT to get pregnant. Also, also, if you're ready to be a parent, it's your responsibility to factor in the chances of losing your partner and being able to financially support your family as a single parent.
All true. But because there are so many possible situations and outcomes and variations, I'm not really sure that's a fair point to use. That's all.
True. But that's just it. There are so many different situations and who are employers to decide which situation is more deserving? Life happens, and all we can do is do our best for ourselves.
the single mother might be a mother because she was raped, ie not her choice
Yes, but there are other options even if you are raped, such as abortion or adoption.
THE MAN ISNT ALWAYS THE BREADWINNER AND WOMAN CAN MAKE JUST AS MUCH MONEY IF NOT MORE THAT A MAN... PLUS WOMEN AREN'T JUST HOUSEWIVES ANYMORE WE CAN DO ANYTHING A GUY CAN DO WITH JUST AS MUCH SKILL AS THEM!
I don't know why, but your comment reminded me of this:
Sorry the link is so long. Also, you're right, I just recommend not using caps next time. :)
yeah sorry bout that i was talking to a friend on facebook and we were yelling i just 4got to take it off. didnt realise until after i posted it... lol
btw nice choice of picture lol
So I agree with what the OP says. Don't ask me anything bout MY OPINON! K? K. Its my life situation so u have no rite to question my life. its personal
Well then, we have the right to question your life if there is a life situation meaning you need more money if we lived by OP's rules.
OP, are you seriously saying you wouldn't be pissed if someone of the opposite gender got paid more than you for doing the exact same thing?
im saying men get paid more because they need to bring home money
Yeah. But do you think that's right? Like, morally? Even if you are a dude. If I knew women were getting paid more than men, I would be a bit pissed off. Its just not right. People deserve to be paid equally.
but morally, shouldn't an employer feel compelled to help out their employees who live in the lower class
Nope. if they need help, they can't have the big bosses helping them out. at this point they are (hopefully..) adults, and they need to realize life isn't a game where they can look up cheats or download an extra life if something goes wrong. they need to learn how to get themselves out of the shit they got themselves into.
But if you have the mindset of the woman getting paid the same as the man because of doing the EXACT same job. Then I believe farmers should get paid waay more than pop stars seeing as they work for more than 12 hours a day in the sun with an exhausting job.
The world is simply unfair that way.
Oh perfect, now those people that have a million kids running around (most of which shouldn't have had them since they can't afford them in the first place) can make more money than people with an education. I might as well drop out of collge and get knocked up instead
People are calling this post socialism and communism, which is it, or is it both? Also, what's wrong with socialism and what's wrong with communism? And what's so good about capitalism? (Not rhetorical questions, I'm actually wondering)
Also people keep saying that OP must be like 12, so does that mean the general idea of the post would make sense to people that age? :/
i could be wrong, but isn't that like if someone was on trial for say theft, and you decided to not punish them as harshly as you would another because they have kids?
personal life does not come into play; that just creates more prejudice. i don't care if it would be better for the families, if we started doing that then next thing we'll start making shit cheaper for people from broken homes and giving them more privileges than others.
people should get paid for their ability to do the job right. end of story.
and OP, it's surprising to see that level of sexism in the 21st century, what is this?
Why don't you pay more money to the people who do the job better?
Where's the no freaking way button when you need it?!
that is what we call socialism. it has not and never will work for anyone anywhere. im gonna go ahead and guess you voted for obama.
ironicly i voted mccain. and its not socilism, its like wellfare but without the gov't fucking it up
It's not their job to help out charity cases, its their job to pay people to do their job! How would you like it if every day you come in early, work overtime and during the holidays only to find out someone who never does their job properly and calls off the majority of the time is getting paid more than you just bc she has a kid. Where's the morality in that?
If you want extra money for having a kid you already have plenty of government options to get some.
You are a dumbf*ck. And a communist. And a feminist. We livin in a capitalist socioty. You get paid based on the product output from your input. Meaning how well you do your job. Not your life situations. If you don't like it, leave America.
And women get paid less for the risks of maternaty leaves and other things that employers have to take acount for.
So stop complaining. You are wrong.
I've realized that this website isn't just state your opinion, and others agree/disagree. It's more like a various debates about random things. So: I think the poster was absolutely right.