We are all sinners and Jesus Christ died so we could spend eternity in heaven, amirite?

Jesus saves

by Anonymous 14 years ago

at walmart.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

ahahahahahaha that was amazing

by Anonymous 14 years ago

@632483 (Anonymous): @632483 (Anonymous): best post ever man :)

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Amen.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Actually he died so we could have a personal relationship with God instead of having to go through a priest all the time for atonement. People in the Old Testament were still going to heaven before Jesus was around.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You are deluded. Have you heard of John 3:16? That was a by-product. He died so that we may get to heaven.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Right, so Moses and Elijah and Jacob and all those other righteous dudes who lived before Jesus was born didn't go to heaven? Also the "him" in that verse is God, since Jesus is a part of God.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

No, we don't know. They're probably in heaven now, but the Bible isn't clear. But the foundation or Christianity is that Jesus came specifically to forgive our sins. Do not try to change that.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Jesus died so our sins could be forgiven. Your sins need to be forgiven to go to heaven. There were other methods of repenting before Jesus Christ.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Oops I didn't see your last point. You are so wrong. Nowhere in the Bible does it say God is also Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Nowhere. Because that isn't true.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Holy crap, there is seriously something wrong with you if you're denying the trinity. And clearly you're young and know all the answers so there's no point arguing with you.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I'm not denying the Trinity. Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not God. They all exist. They're not one being, though. Show me in the Bible where it says that. THEN you may call me wrong.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

John 3:16 said that God so loved the world that he gave his only forgotten son, and whoever believed in him shall never die, but have eternal life.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

*begotten. but the concept is right :)

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Forgotten is incorrect. But yeah. Gave his son, not himself.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

As far as my understanding of the Bible goes, the people who died before Jesus came all went to hell. When Jesus died, he collected the righteous from hell and brought them to heaven, opening the gates of heaven as he did so.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Go away.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Heaven is isn't real.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Actually, there have been cases of people dying and going to Heaven, but doctors and others brought them back to life and they came back and told everyone... There are books about it and everything. So technically, there IS proof. What's YOUR valid arguement for saying "Heaven isn't real"?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

the mind plays ticks on you and could have easily imagined all of that.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Oh, magical sky gypsie, please forgiveth me for I have sinned by voting nay on this post so thou must now sendeth me into a fiery undeground cave where red people with horns and tails poke me with pitchforks forever more.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I'm pretty sure dude wasn't like, "yeah sure, nail me to some boards and I'll die for everyone." voluntarily... I'm pretty sure he was murdered.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

well he was willing to die for god so loved the world, because he knew it was in god's will. but yes, he was killed.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Actually, Christians believe that that's the exact reason why he was born. To voluntarily die for us, so that we can sin and still have a chance to go to heaven

by Anonymous 14 years ago

haha totally agree...i mean no sane person would be like "all right s'cool, go ahead kill me! i'm feel'n it"

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Jesus died because he realized what a dump the Earth was.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Failpost.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Haha, if there's a post about religion of any sort, you can expect scrantoncity to be there!

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Yeah, you can.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Everyone who doesn't believe that God exists should go to www.proofthatgodexists.org. Just check it out

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I left at absolute morality. It didn't in any way prove that absolute morality must be true, only that it would be desirable for it to be true.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I know your arguments will be something along the lines of "Well, how was God created? You think this because you're human... ect." but I just don't understand how everything can be created without divine intervention, and I know that the earth is small in a colossal universe and can be argued as random probability, but everything has to have some design to it. It makes more sense to say that something created everything rather than random material creating something. It makes more sense for an all powerful being to have been here first to coordinate creation rather than other material. I'm not shooting down the big bang theory or anything necessarily, it just doesn't matter as much how things came to be, creation, big bang theory and evolution, etc. just that God did it, in my opinion.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I second this :)

by Anonymous 14 years ago

If god created the universe he would inevitably have to be more complex and less likely than the universe. By adding god to the equation you are not explaining anything you are rather making it more complicated. This is where occam's razor comes into play.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I really don't want to get in an argument, especially over the internet now because today has been such a long day, but I'd say it would be a simpler explanation that a superior being created everything. Since a deity was the first thing thought of to have created us by mankind's first civilizations rather than any scientific matter, wouldn't you think that is the simpler explanation?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

The simplest explanation would just be that the universe has always existed.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

But wouldn't it make more sense to say that something created the universe rather than it always be there? I know that would imply that an omniscient, omnipotent force was always there, but that makes more sense than a random universe.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

"but that makes more sense than a random universe" How? It doesn't. Aside from that any theory that introduces supernatural elements automatically becomes much less likely. Alright this is kinda going in circles, have a nice day.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Yeah, was about to suggest the same thing, and I didn't mean to force any views on you btw, just defending them. Goodbye.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

We are all human and will rot in the ground when we die. Amen.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Ugh. Keep your religion to your self.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

AGREED.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

i definitely think god created the universe. think of it this way. if you take a billion disassembled watch parts, and put them in a paper bag and shook it up, will a watch come out? No. someone has to MAKE the watch.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Oh religious debates..@632279 (true_romantic): Yupppp there's a giant man out there skipping around and defying the laws of everything who just built everything on a whim..

by Anonymous 14 years ago

not a "whim." a plan.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Hahahah I like how THAT'S the thing you try to defend. But no, sorry. I'm not going to try to argue with you because it'll just take up time I could be using to do something else.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

i could have argued the other parts too, if you want... but seeing as you seem uninterested...

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Yes, I am uninterested.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

then don't complain about what i choose to highlight. i could tell you that god is greater than we can imagine and that he lives inside us as well as in heaven, because that's true. but i won't, because you don't care.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I actually didn't complain about what you highlighted, I laughed. Just letting you know.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

that's fine.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

@633456: Hallucinations brought on by a combination of pain killers and severe exhaustion. Hallucinations are mostly linked to what you were thinking of last so it makes sense that when someone who is dying who believes in god goes under that they think they go to heaven. Just because your heart stops beating doesn't mean you are dead. Your brain is still active for a few minutes.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Delusional Idiot!

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Both arguments can never really be proven. My point, no one can know what was before, we can all speculate and do all sorts of rock dating and all that. But that doesn't prove or disprove one or the other. Personaly I believe in some sort of higher being, but I dont think that over the entire course of the bible going through time, and peoples hands, it wasn't changed once. I can't believe something came from nothing, and neither, the big bang or the God theory really tell me what was floating around before they decided to finally do something. The thing that annoys me the most about the God of the bible, why create a place to burn for Eternity because I didn't worship you. To me it makes no since that a God that loves everyone would send them to a hell. And with that, if there is a God who has a 'plan' for your life, does that mean that he picks who goes to heavan and who goes to hell? That is the biggest thing that kills me on the God thing. And if the Big Bang is true, other tha...

by Anonymous 14 years ago

He gave us free will to decide whether or not to believe in Him. The ones that go to Hell are Satan's followers. Its not because they don't worship God but because they do worship Satan.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

So and correct me if I'm wrong, you're saying that if I'm not woshiping God I'm automayicly worshiping Satan?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

no, I'm sorry I worded that last one wrong. What I was saying is that Heaven is for God's followers and Hell is for those who don't follow God. My main point was that we have free will to choose whether or not we follow God.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I'm sure that's what Jesus wanted everyone to believe.

by Anonymous 14 years ago