I live in a rich town that houses a lot of Asians, and quite a few blacks and latinos. All the 'minorty ethnicities' I know intimately are quite well off. Yet I have a white friend who struggles with financial problems, depression and fighting parents. She doesn't need a scholarship?
Besides. We can't help what race we're born into or how high up - if I could have been born as a royal, sure, I might have taken that spot. But we can't choose our parents. I also don't see myself giving money to those who are of a minority status - I'd rather give it to the kid who needs it. Granted, thanks to stereotypes most to all of the minorities are usually the ones who need it. But there are others out there - "Here, have money because you're an outstanding Latino who has the same exact grades as this other white kid who is in exactly the same financial situation but is WHITE so therefore does not deserve this money." just doesn't fly with me.
...and that's my rant. *curtsies
That's one situation though. You're presenting it as if white people never get scholarships.
You're right, I admit, white people DO get scholarships. I never meant to imply that they don't. I merely wanted to point out that ethnicity scholarships are one more option for financial help in college paying that whites don't typically get.
I was just wondering why that was an example, because she obviously needs the scholarship more and there are plenty of scholarships for her to apply to. Other scholarships for minorities work the same way. They just don't give the money to those well off since they are a minority.
I have no idea how to word that so I hope it made sense. ^^^
Nope, made perfect sense, thank you :)
I think what they're trying to say is that there are no scholarships you can get just for being white, but there ARE scholarships you can get just for being a minority.
I think its the same reason why white people don't have a white pride month, as opposed to African-Americans. It's because extremist idiots will think its racist.
Also, white people DO get scholarships; colleges just need to keep an equal ratios of race so they won't look bad; maybe they're not accepting as many whites because they have too many white people with scholarships in their college?
Are you implying that, given the opportunity, you would choose a different set of parents so your financial future, as far as college is concerned, is sound?
Nope, not at all.
Scholarships need to be given out based on performance in class alone. That way all the smart kids who worked hard to make the grades have an equal shot.
That being said, things like federal grants and subsidized loans should be saved for the kids who can't afford a higher education. That goes for the smart kids and the kids who need a little extra help to get through beauty school. Race shouldn't have anything to do with it.
It's probably because colleges need to keep an about equal ratio of each race, otherwise they will look racist.
Like, if a college has too many Asians, then people will think they mostly only accept Asians.
But I do agree with what you're saying.
What about people who don't grow up in an ideal situation, so they're still trying, but because of their circumstances, can only swing B's in class? They're doing the absolute best that they can, but in your world, they wouldn't get to go to college.
If they are really trying, as hard as you claim, chances are there will be a few A's thrown in there, and B's are still technically above average, so o don't see why they wouldn't make it. Also, college and extended education isn't for everyone, although everyone should attempt to go to college, and find out what's right.
The thing is, the smartest kids in school are usually the ones in bad situations. They feel like they have something to prove so they try harder in class in end up doing better.
Also, in my world the students in bad circumstances would be able to get the grants and stuff for college, and they could get the scholarships on top of that if they make the grade. I never said poor kids shouldn't get scholarships, I just don't think they should get them for being poor. It's called a scholarship because you have to prove that you are a good scholar.
Sometimes they do end up doing better, but I'm talking about someone who maybe has five younger siblings to look after all alone, maybe an unstable home life so they don't even know where they're going to be living tomorrow. You can't expect that they're going to have the time every night to do their homework, so sometimes it just won't get done. And when they do have time, will they be as focused as someone who doesn't have that situation? I don't think so.
I get what you're saying, I just disagree.
So you think those people will be better off in college? If someone can't study in high school because of their home life what makes you think college will be any better? It's not like they could just move out, they have5 younger siblings to care for.
If they go to college they probably won't be living at home. You think this person should not get to go to college because they have younger siblings that they're looking after?
No, I think that they have other obligations and they shouldn't abandon them for college. Those are the people that need to hold off college. Yeah, it's not fair, but no one promised them a fair life.
Since those students did not get the grade they don't get the scholarship. It's that simple. Since they are from a bad family they are more qualified for grants and stuff, but they didn't earn the scholarship so they don't get one. It's not that they won't get any money, they just won't get as much as the poor kids who actually made the grade.
I basically disagree with everything you just said, but I'm pretty sure I'm not going to change your mind and I know you're not going to change mine, so I'm just gonna leave it there.
What I don't get is that people have argued for years and years about how "race doesn't matter," and then have racially based scholarships/ financial aid. Seems a little hypocritical to me.
I think scholarships should be based off actual financial status, as opposed to race.
Frankly speaking, the best way to make all races entirely equal is ignore them (I mean ignore what race everyone is) and base your judgment of a person off of what they have accomplished or what they personally are like.
So fight ignorance with ignorance?
That is the problem with today's society. People are so afraid of conflict nowadays that NOBODY socializes. No one thinks to learn more aboot this culture or that way of life. They just think, "They'll keep to themselves; we keep to ourselves; nobody compromises; everybody's happy."
Did you get the fighting ignorance with ignorance thign from The Office?
No. Did you?
My sister made me watch a few episodes and that's one of the only lines I remember from it. Then things got horribly racist because the boss has mental problems.
I'm not saying that anyone should be forced to stop practicing elements of their culture, or that we should never learn about other cultures. I was saying that someones culture shouldn't go into your judgment of them. That you shouldn't look at some one and think "Oh, s/he is (insert race)" you should look at them and think "Oh, that is Joe. He's a nice guy."
The problem with need based scholarships is that they often don't think about what people can afford. Just because my family is getting by now, it doesn't mean we can do the same when we have thousands of dollars in university fees. I honestly think it should be for grades, and only extreme cases of need.
I agree with that.
I'm saying if your family could not afford a university without being in serious financial trouble, you should at least be considered for a scholarship, regardless of your race. And that is saying of course that your grades, extracurriculars, etc. have already gotten you accepted to the college.
An idea: why don't we just take the race section off of applications? Honestly, except for students applying to schools abroad, what difference does it make? And wouldn't that give academic-based scholarships a more equal chance for all students, without having to worry about race?
Perhaps I'm being naive, or idealistic, but if race really doesn't matter, why have it on the papers? One could just list oneself as 'American,' or as a member of whatever nation one is from.
I agree, although I also wonder sometimes if I too might be naive.
because lately some of the minorities of the US are practically being waited on hand and foot, and if someone mistreats them they play the racist card...
speaking as a sort of minority.
Hey, I'm in the running for that scholarship!
I have never seen a scholarship for Muslims or any denomination originating in the North-African/Middle-Eastern region of the world. That could just be in my parish*, though.
*My state still uses the "parish" system, which should narrow down the possibilities of what state I live in considerably.
The state of Denial?
Hehe. Then they'd be in( )denial.
I'm sorry it's late...
Some places consider Middle Eastern to be white if you check the common app it says "White (including Middle Eastern)"
Yeah. Same as my state...
And there is only one state in the U.S. that uses parishes if that makes you feel special.
Which should tell you what state I live in, which is...
...un gifle en plein visage!
Vous me blesse le visage et pour quoi?
Je me plait les autres. C'est que je fais.
Je vois. Je n'ai su pas.
If you could see that I'm the one who understands you, been here all along, then why can't you see that you belong with me? You belong with me.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN FRENCH YESTERDAY!
Well aren't you "la petite opportuniste!"
All of these comments are tl;dr.
So mine will be short:
I'm white and I'm okay with it.
There is a HBCU in my city that gives white kids scholarships for being white, but they don't give scholarships to any other race.
Not even black people? That seems kind of weird. What college is it?
Well it's an HBCU (historically black) so about 98% of the school is black. White kids are the minority there.
I think they mainly offer those scholarships
1.)To not appear racist
2.) To encourage minority students to attend so they fill their quota.
There is a difference between "not appearing to be racist" and "appearing to not be racist." I know I split an infinitive, but the ends justify the means.
Can you explain what you're trying to say more?
"Appearing to not be racist" would mean you do not express any gestures of racial bias from an observational perspective, while "not appearing to be racist" would mean your actions do not give away any racial preference or indifference, but you could be hiding racist tendencies. If I said, "Tom appears to not like blue cheese," Tom might have done or said something to explicitly or implicitly express his dislike of blue cheese, like frowning at the sight of the cheese. If I said, "Tom does not appear to like blue cheese," Tom might not have made any expression that could clarify his opinion of blue cheese.
Haha I'm glad I'm Native American so I can use that to get scholarships. :)
if i live right next door to a black kid whose parents make the same amount of money as mine, he and i get the same grades and test scores ect...and he gets a scholarship simply because he's black? THATS racist.
Colleges are being racist by trying too hard not being racist.
What if white people just want to work harder than all other races. maybe they where taught good work ethics and kept passing them down generation to generation. I think we need to teach good work ethics and good parenting etc. so they can eventually provide for themeselves, or their children will learn from them and they can support themselves. instead of having to give money to every generation...... just saying
1. Most minorities can't afford it
2. They have a quota to fill
Why is this voted down? I didn't even put an opinion on here.
Whites on average make 1.6 times the amount an average black household makes, and 1.4 times higher than an average hispanic household.
And colleges and schools have to have a ratio of whites:hispanics:blacks.
Racist: treating someone differently because of their race. It's still racist. And not fair because some white people might not be able to afford it, but some black person who can will still get the scholarship because it would be "racist" if they didn't.
Also, this is racism:
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or race
And considering the amount of whites compared to blacks, that isn't a large number of blacks getting scholarships, nor a huge amount of competition for them. And if you drop out of college you have to give the scholarship money back.
I wouldn't say butthurt, because I don't think their needs to be scholarships geared directly towards a minority that whites can't get, it's a valid point, but somewhat exaggerated.
It's not necessarily because they are black though, that's how it all worked out. And I don't wanna say what I'm about to say for the risk of sounding stereotypical, but no one looks past slavery to the period more recent than that.
It wasn't until about 60 years ago that we were in the same schools and taught the same subjects on the same level. Black people as a whole are economically behind because of this. It wasn't until recently that they had enough education to acquire higher paying jobs unless they worked a bajillion times harder than anyone else for it. And I was just pointing out that on average black people make less money and still can't afford to go to college without financial help. (I'm focusing on white's and blacks here because of the lower number of hispanics in the US during that time period)
I know there are plenty of white people that need financial help, and they apply for scholarships to get them.
There are plenty of black people that need financial help, and they also apply for scholarships to get them. It's just that there are different scholarship programs for black people due to overcompensation for the wrong done during the 1700s-1950s
give scholarships to those that need the money, and more often than not it ends up being minorities.
What about the Asians then?
My source didn't list asians. So I honestly have no clue. =/
And I haven't heard anyone really complain about asians receiving scholarships...
Here's my link. I was too lazy to find others with a wider variety of ethnicities.
I can't find the original article, but I read somewhere that about 60% of Asian Americans make more than the average American
it's probably voted down cause most of the people on this are middle class white kids from the suburbs... the ones that don't like when people see things differently than they do.
Yeah. I got so much flack for that.
yeah people can be jerks when they don't wanna take a step back and look at the bigger picture... such is life... for now.
Minorities might have lower income on average, but couldn't they just give you scholarships because of your lower income, not because your race "statistically" has a harder time? I'm white and I can barely afford college.
They probably shouldn't have quotas like that anyway. The scholarships can be unfair if the only reason that they're giving money to someone is to be a token.
That's part of it. I'm not saying (or at least I hope that's not how it came across) that some races have a harder time, but those races do have a lower income (at least the ones that get the scholarships) than most...which does make for a harder time. Low income and a hard time go hand in hand.
And I know, they shouldn't have quotas, and they have quotas for tokens, and I do agree that it's wrong, but I was just trying to explain why it's set up that way.
But then wouldn't it be better just to give them scholarships based on their low income , not their race?
They should give scholarships based on money alone. Then, because minorities have statistically less income, they would get scholarships anway, wouldn't they?
That what my reply was saying.
They have a lower income on average so they generally get morescholarships geared towards them, and it seems as though they're always babying minorities because they are minorities, but really they just have a low income.
^^That however, it just addressing scholarships that come from the school and not an organization.
But there are scholarships specifically geared towards minorites. Like, there are certain scholarships you only qualify for if you're a minority, so if you're white you're automatically unqualified.
I know. Those are usually ran by minority organizations and/or ethnic departments within the school.
And I agree with you, that isn't fair.
I never said they were... I just said that's the reason for it.
It's not necessarily racist, it's just trying to give everybody an equal oppurtunity. Minorities typically don't have the same level of financial support as "middle-class-suchandsuch-white kids", so we need more help to further our education.
middle class needs financial support too...
I think what they mean is that lower classes need more support than middle class.
yeah i know they do dont get me wrong my family has financial support too, but im talkin about the schoarship about race and ethnicity not financial support
well yeah if they need finacial support there is suppose to some sort of lower class scholarship but middle class then they are just minorites that dont need finacial support its a lttle stereotypical thoguh
How is this so highly voted? It's called affirmative action, people, and it's helping people get just a little of what they deserve.
Affirmative action is less aboot "helping people get some of what they deserve" and more aboot "reaching our quota of women and minorities so we don't get shut down for being racially prejudiced".
Okay, so that should prove my point even more. Thank you for mentioning this.
No. It's attempting to make up for some of past discrimination, when it was nearly impossible to go to college if you were a woman or minority. And it's illegal to have a "quota" to fill.
I'm not sure why people are voting this down. This is true. Please read up on affirmative action before you assume that you know more about this than you really do.
You don't need one because your a middle-class-white-kid-from-the-suburbs.
Get some extra-curriculars
Having extra-curriculars doesn't get you a guaranteed scholarship. Actually, that only really helps when applying. Most of us don't need help getting in, we need help paying. I'm a middle class white kid in the suburbs, but that doesn't mean my parents have $60,000 to spend on college.
I'm actually considering not going because I know that would put my parents in a tough bind, plus I don't wanna spend the rest of my life paying off loans.
How about you take a break for a year or two, stay with the folks, save up, then go?
Have you considered community college?
If you go to community college you can save up some money and, if you want, transfer to a four year school when you're done with your two years. I'd recommend it over taking time off because you can get more scholarships if you're entering straight out of high school, plus it's harder to readjust to the heavy workload if you've been out of school for a year or two.
I'll most likely end up going just so I can have a degree and be a better candidate for an overseas job. I really wanna get a job in London for a couple of years, then just travel around the world working in different places.
You might be able to study abroad at some point. The places you can study changes from colege to college, but I'm pretty sure they all have that kind of program.
must've gotten lost when all those people being forced to do labor against their will (slaves) were freed.
Oh, my bad. I wasn't aware that any of those slaves were still alive and trying to get into colleges.
Most people aren't.
Those ignorant bastards...
well they're not... so... that's probably why you're so unaware of it... are you aware of how hard it was for their offspring to finally get a leg up on in the working world? or how long it took for them to finally stop being indentured servants? cuz that would probably clear up those uncertainties as to why we have affirmative action
I didn't know my Polish and Italian ancestors that just recently got to America owned slaves.
well if you live in the suburbs you probably need a lot less help paying for your college tuition than someone whose parents make minimum wage and work 2 jobs needs.
That had almost nothing to do with what I posted.
well I took race out of it... cuz I think your post is mostly about money... since it's about scholarships
Except it's not my post.
fine then the post above.