I understand how the Bible condems gay couples. Now good people, answer this: My wife is cheating on me, and I want to stone her (as the Bible tells me to), but the government will get mad at me if I do. I should ignore the government, amirite?
Then we shouldn't have a problem with homosexuality either right? Since none of us are free from sin. The point of this is that condemning homosexuality is as wrong as stoning a woman for adultery. We just don't do those sorts of things. Or rather, we SHOULDN'T.
To add on to that, I certainly do not think that homosexuality is a sin, I am merely stating it that way in order to direct the statement at those who do.
Right, but while Catholics may are identified as a "Christian" sect, they have extremely different beliefs than let's say like a Baptist, Protestant, or an Evangelical Christian
I think the poster means that the Bible condemns gay couples, but that is outdated now that it's illegal to discriminate against them, just like stoning your wife is wrong today.
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The answer is actually IN the Bible.
In a passage, an adultress is brought before Jesus by a crowd and they wanted to stone her. Jesus did nothing, just sat there quietly while thy were all insisting he do something about it. He finally said, fine, but the one who has never sinned must be the one to throw the first stone. Slowly, people started to leave realizing that they had all sinned at one point or another. By the time the group that brought her was gone, Jesus went up to the woman and asked her if any of the men who had brought her would condemn her. She said no, and Jesus said "Neither do I. Now go, and sin no more." And he forgave her sins and sent her off.
If you're going to bash a religion at least take the time to do a minimal amount of research.
So he who is free of sin can complain about homosexuality as well. I agree with your statement as long as you are consistent about it. (I'm not saying you aren't; I am saying this as a matter-of-fact.)
Jesus forgave the woman because she promised not to sin anymore and he knew that if she were killed, they would be taking away her chance to return to God.
Killing someone and not approving of their sins are two completely different things.
Women were stoned before Jesus came and died on the cross for our sins. That was in the old testament times. When God sent his son Jesus Christ to earth as a human and Jesus died so that we could have a way to be saved, that changed everything. Here are some scriptures from the New Testament. We can now be forgiven through Jesus Christ our Savior. He died so we don't have to.
1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit.
Colossians 2:14
By canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
If you like taking verses out of context, then go for it, just realize what you're doing is wrong...
Look he is just saying that we cannot give a reason for hating homosexuals because "it is in the bible." IN MY OPINION -so dont freak out- i believe that what homosexuals do in their lives is their doing and does not affect me therefore i do not care how they live their lives. Have a nice day:)
Wow homosexuality is just one sin God condemns. He condemns them all. That includes coveting, taking his name in vain, lying, cheating, two-facedness, imodesty, sex before marriage, adultry, disobedience, breaking the law, lust and taking the Bible out of context!, and so much more. So get over yourself
Oh yeah! Also he condemns making contact with a woman when she is on her period(Lev 15:19), trimming the hair around your temples (Lev 19:27), touching the skin of a dead pig (Lev 11:6-11:8), and don't forget eating shellfish! (Lev 11:10).
Why? (I wouldn't know; I'm Jewish.) If it's in the new testament, tell me the verses. If not, then it makes about as much sense as not mixing milk and meat when the Bible says "don't boil a calf in its mother's milk".
Yeah, because it's totally in just one verse and I totally have it all memorized.
Jesus said that it didn't matter what we ate because whatever we eat will just end up in the sewer anyway no matter what it is and we should focus more on inner purity, not earthly things like diet.
Later, (I think Paul) has a vision of God telling him it's okay to eat the forbidden food again.
The old laws were part of the rules of the old covenant but when Jesus came to us we were given a new covenant. We're told to keep most of the old laws, like the ten comandments, but ceromonial stuff about cleanliness, like not being allowed to touch a woman when she's menstrual, or staying kosher, aren't important because they're about being physically clean and mean nothing compared to inner purity and being spiritually closer to God.
To be honest, I don't get why they were very important in the first place except for health reasons.
But the new testament does say if another believer refuses to eat certain foods, or insists they are alowed to eat certain thigns, it's not that big a deal, so you should let them do whatever they believe is bringing them closer to God when it comes to food Unless it's blatantly ignoring huge laws, like cannibalism, which kills people. (Is it bad that I thought of llamas when I wrote that last line?)
And where does Jesus condemn homosexuality? Because if he doesn't, then you are complaining about the wrong part of my post. As my rabbi always says about the Bible, don't focus on the facts; focus on the truth.
I wasn't poitning out the flaws in your post, I was pointing out the flaws in the comment above that implied the bible was completely ridiculous because of those laws and therefore, the other laws are ridiculous.
Jesus himself never complains about homosexuality, only vaguely referring to "sexual sin" when listing sins.
And you're Jewish, the Old Testament looks down on gays more than the New Testament. Your books are the ones that list this stuff in the first place, why are you bashing Christians when you believe the same stuff?
I don't get how the quote really applies to this situation.
They were not voting YYA to "I should ignore the government". They were voting YYA because they understood that I was just making fun of the people who condemn homosexuality. I don't really think I should stone adulterers.
But that's not what they are agreeing to. They are agreeing to the point I am making, because with some posts, the writer is not believing what he is saying. He is making fun of something, or making a point.
If God was loving, as was Jesus, why do they say to DISCRIMINATE and CONDEMN? What is love to them? Close-minded people lead the unhappiest lives. Don't be a "SuperChristian." Accept others. I would assume that this is what they mean.
the only ones that condemn homosexuality so openly, and discriminate against them are extremists. Just like terrorists would be extremists so would judgemental people who call themselves christians. Real christians love, and appreciate everyone.
Jesus taught us to be good people. You shouldn't take and eye for an eye, nor should you stone your wife for cheating. We are supposed to overlook people's flaws and love them all the same.
He said that Jesus never said that, and Christians are (or should be) more concerned with Jesus's teachings. If you wanna discuss Old Testament, go talk to the Jews.
But the Old Testament is a part of the Bible which I'm pretty sure Christians are supposed to be concerned with. And I've run across way more Christians who condemn homosexuality (because of the Bible) than I have Jews.
Maybe the reason so many Christians condemn homosexuality because of the Old Testament is because they don't understand it since it's not focused on very much in church. Like I said, if you want to understand the Old Testament, go talk to the Jews. I'm pretty sure that the Jewish view is that homosexuality is wrong as an act, but the person is not necessarily sinful for desiring it. And considering what Leviticus actually says, I think this is a more accurate interpretation.
The Bible only tells you to do it if you yourself are without sin so- if you've never sinned then I guess you should go for it.
Then we shouldn't have a problem with homosexuality either right? Since none of us are free from sin. The point of this is that condemning homosexuality is as wrong as stoning a woman for adultery. We just don't do those sorts of things. Or rather, we SHOULDN'T.
To add on to that, I certainly do not think that homosexuality is a sin, I am merely stating it that way in order to direct the statement at those who do.
Go to confession. Then let the stones fly
confession doesn't erase sin. at least not in Christianity. maybe in Catholicism?
Right, but while Catholics may are identified as a "Christian" sect, they have extremely different beliefs than let's say like a Baptist, Protestant, or an Evangelical Christian
Stone the bitch.
You're right, weed solves relationships
Totally. Except when your significant other is fat, then it just exacerbates things.
make them smoke until they puke?
Who would want to kiss them then?
Is it just me or is the mention of homosexuals in this post completely irrelevant...?
I think the poster means that the Bible condemns gay couples, but that is outdated now that it's illegal to discriminate against them, just like stoning your wife is wrong today.
That's EXACTLY what I meant! Thank you! And people who are complaining that I am ignoring the New Testament: I am actually Jewish.
Yes, very irrelephant
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The answer is actually IN the Bible.
In a passage, an adultress is brought before Jesus by a crowd and they wanted to stone her. Jesus did nothing, just sat there quietly while thy were all insisting he do something about it. He finally said, fine, but the one who has never sinned must be the one to throw the first stone. Slowly, people started to leave realizing that they had all sinned at one point or another. By the time the group that brought her was gone, Jesus went up to the woman and asked her if any of the men who had brought her would condemn her. She said no, and Jesus said "Neither do I. Now go, and sin no more." And he forgave her sins and sent her off.
If you're going to bash a religion at least take the time to do a minimal amount of research.
The full story is in the new testament, John:8
So he who is free of sin can complain about homosexuality as well. I agree with your statement as long as you are consistent about it. (I'm not saying you aren't; I am saying this as a matter-of-fact.)
Jesus forgave the woman because she promised not to sin anymore and he knew that if she were killed, they would be taking away her chance to return to God.
Killing someone and not approving of their sins are two completely different things.
I'm religious and all, but some of the stuff in the bible should be taken with a grain of salt. Including the homosexuality part.
Women were stoned before Jesus came and died on the cross for our sins. That was in the old testament times. When God sent his son Jesus Christ to earth as a human and Jesus died so that we could have a way to be saved, that changed everything. Here are some scriptures from the New Testament. We can now be forgiven through Jesus Christ our Savior. He died so we don't have to.
1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit.
Colossians 2:14
By canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
If you like taking verses out of context, then go for it, just realize what you're doing is wrong...
Jesus said not to ignore the Old Law, but follow that and the New Law too, so do it. You have no choice.
Are you honestly saying we should stone those who commit adultery? Well... on the positive side, the population would greatly decrease in size!
I was being sarcastic. But I guess sarcasm translates horribly through the internet.
Everybody must get stoned.
No one ever wins when there is an argument about religion. No one ever wins an argument on the internet. So why are any of you still here?
If any of us followed that rule, we wouldn't be on the site in the first place.
Lol the first sentence is totally unnecessary and not exactly true either...
Look he is just saying that we cannot give a reason for hating homosexuals because "it is in the bible." IN MY OPINION -so dont freak out- i believe that what homosexuals do in their lives is their doing and does not affect me therefore i do not care how they live their lives. Have a nice day:)
You're crazy...That's murder. I never understood how religious people could agree with some of the things in the bible.
Jesus tells people in the New Testament "He who is without sin may throw the first stone." The "old law" is somewhat revoked.
-insert disparaging anti-religious comment here-
I'd say re-read the Bible. And all of it, not just those few bits out of context someone told you so you could turn it into a 'joke'.
Well apparently you didn't read the part where Jesus stops a woman caught in adultery from being stoned and explains why it's wrong.
well if you read the Bible, you know the difference between old law and new law.
But the bible is a joke. Lololololol.
well in that case, the cheating spouse can go to confession as well and then there's no need for flying stones...
I see mostly a bunch of people saying that adultery is now a-okay, but homosexuality still is not. (in the comments, I mean)
Wow homosexuality is just one sin God condemns. He condemns them all. That includes coveting, taking his name in vain, lying, cheating, two-facedness, imodesty, sex before marriage, adultry, disobedience, breaking the law, lust and taking the Bible out of context!, and so much more. So get over yourself
Oh yeah! Also he condemns making contact with a woman when she is on her period(Lev 15:19), trimming the hair around your temples (Lev 19:27), touching the skin of a dead pig (Lev 11:6-11:8), and don't forget eating shellfish! (Lev 11:10).
Look it up. It's allllll there.
Because of Jesus and the new covenant, we don't have to follow those laws.
Why? (I wouldn't know; I'm Jewish.) If it's in the new testament, tell me the verses. If not, then it makes about as much sense as not mixing milk and meat when the Bible says "don't boil a calf in its mother's milk".
Yeah, because it's totally in just one verse and I totally have it all memorized.
Jesus said that it didn't matter what we ate because whatever we eat will just end up in the sewer anyway no matter what it is and we should focus more on inner purity, not earthly things like diet.
Later, (I think Paul) has a vision of God telling him it's okay to eat the forbidden food again.
The old laws were part of the rules of the old covenant but when Jesus came to us we were given a new covenant. We're told to keep most of the old laws, like the ten comandments, but ceromonial stuff about cleanliness, like not being allowed to touch a woman when she's menstrual, or staying kosher, aren't important because they're about being physically clean and mean nothing compared to inner purity and being spiritually closer to God.
To be honest, I don't get why they were very important in the first place except for health reasons.
But the new testament does say if another believer refuses to eat certain foods, or insists they are alowed to eat certain thigns, it's not that big a deal, so you should let them do whatever they believe is bringing them closer to God when it comes to food Unless it's blatantly ignoring huge laws, like cannibalism, which kills people. (Is it bad that I thought of llamas when I wrote that last line?)
And where does Jesus condemn homosexuality? Because if he doesn't, then you are complaining about the wrong part of my post. As my rabbi always says about the Bible, don't focus on the facts; focus on the truth.
I wasn't poitning out the flaws in your post, I was pointing out the flaws in the comment above that implied the bible was completely ridiculous because of those laws and therefore, the other laws are ridiculous.
Jesus himself never complains about homosexuality, only vaguely referring to "sexual sin" when listing sins.
And you're Jewish, the Old Testament looks down on gays more than the New Testament. Your books are the ones that list this stuff in the first place, why are you bashing Christians when you believe the same stuff?
I don't get how the quote really applies to this situation.
now we know why we have the seperationg of the church and state
Wow, I'm surprised scrantoncity hasn't showed up yet!
I'd just like to point out that all of you who voted YYA are saying that he should stone his wife.
They were not voting YYA to "I should ignore the government". They were voting YYA because they understood that I was just making fun of the people who condemn homosexuality. I don't really think I should stone adulterers.
Read the post. It clearly ends with 'I should ignore the government, amirite?'
But that's not what they are agreeing to. They are agreeing to the point I am making, because with some posts, the writer is not believing what he is saying. He is making fun of something, or making a point.
If God was loving, as was Jesus, why do they say to DISCRIMINATE and CONDEMN? What is love to them? Close-minded people lead the unhappiest lives. Don't be a "SuperChristian." Accept others. I would assume that this is what they mean.
the only ones that condemn homosexuality so openly, and discriminate against them are extremists. Just like terrorists would be extremists so would judgemental people who call themselves christians. Real christians love, and appreciate everyone.
Jesus taught us to be good people. You shouldn't take and eye for an eye, nor should you stone your wife for cheating. We are supposed to overlook people's flaws and love them all the same.
There is such a thing as being too religious... I think you're it.
Amen!
I have an answer for you, only if you are willing to hear. Criticism is welcom but cynicism isn't.
Where does it say that? I'm pretty sure that that isn't what it says. Jesus never said that.
He said that Jesus never said that, and Christians are (or should be) more concerned with Jesus's teachings. If you wanna discuss Old Testament, go talk to the Jews.
But the Old Testament is a part of the Bible which I'm pretty sure Christians are supposed to be concerned with. And I've run across way more Christians who condemn homosexuality (because of the Bible) than I have Jews.
Maybe the reason so many Christians condemn homosexuality because of the Old Testament is because they don't understand it since it's not focused on very much in church. Like I said, if you want to understand the Old Testament, go talk to the Jews. I'm pretty sure that the Jewish view is that homosexuality is wrong as an act, but the person is not necessarily sinful for desiring it. And considering what Leviticus actually says, I think this is a more accurate interpretation.
Un-true,when I go to church,we have nothing to do with the Old Testament,because everyone agrees that it's wrong and Jesus never said shit like that.
he said that and much worse actually. some of the stuff is sick and perverse eugh.