It's pretty crazy how some people STILL believe in evolution, amirite?

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by Anonymous 13 years ago

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by Anonymous 13 years ago

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by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, I'm not a troll, I believe evolution is a lie.

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by Anonymous 13 years ago

I don't feel like getting into a comment war, so lets just agree to disagree.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

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by Anonymous 13 years ago

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by Anonymous 13 years ago

You know that there is no proof of macro evolution. they only have evolution within species. Caused by a sustaining force. God

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeaaaa cause some fairy in the sky is waaaay more believeable.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

way to not trounce on a whole bunch of people's beliefs there.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Not really - to them it seems equally crazy that some people STILL believe in the Bible's version of events.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

People please take an anthropology class in college. Evolution is a theory that has entirely too much evidence to be disproved. Also, ALL evolution is is how species have adapted over time to their constantly changing environments. Evolution isn't trying to disprove the existence of God. I myself believe in God but I'd be a fool not to believe in evolution. Evolution is all about reproduction, contrary to popular belief that it's the "survival of the fittest" because that suggests evolution is progressive (meaning organisms continuously improve over time) which it isn't. Just please don't bash a theory until you do a good bit of research on the subject. There's nothing wrong with believing in God and evolution.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yes, God created everything, and if you disagree, you're not a Christian.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I believe that God created the Big Bang and let everything else take its own course, evolution included.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah, because that *exactly* how the Bible tell it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Weird. My science teacher believes that too.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Weird, because there's really no need for a god in that instance. At least, the Biblical God did NOT do that.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Hoe do you know? Did God just make the world appear out of nowhere?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah, probably. That's what the Bible says. Six days. Dusk, then dawn, next day. Not millions of years.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

How do you know it's in actual time? A day could have been a few million years. Besides, it's probably just a metaphor.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

DUSK THEN DAWN, DAY TWO! That sounds like a million years, no doubt. It can't be any clearer. Sunset, then sunrise, day two. It really doesn't take a genius to realize it's not metaphorical, but it takes an idiot to think it is.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

An idiot? I'm not the one who bases everything in his life around the teachings of a book. An idiot is one who believes an entire planet could be created in one hundred fourty-four hours, even though there's mountains of evidence (literally) that disproves it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Okay, apparently, simultaneously, you both believe that God is all-powerful, and not. Strange, you believe He can start the big bang, but being all-powerful, can He not defy the laws of physics? Seriously, your theory has no place with logical people. It's like a weak-minded person decided to try and please them both. It's illogical, preposterous, and opposite of both sides. Either you believe the Biblical God exists, and you're forced to believe creationism by logic, or you don't believe in any god, and subscribe to the religion of evolution. Your theory is like saying you're both a Christian and a Jew. You can't have it both ways.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Of course God can defy the laws of physics, but I very highly doubt He would. Why would all this scientific evidence be here if the world was created in six days? God wouldn't just plant it here to test our faith or something. It's ridiculous. I believe He is all powerful, but He just set the Big Bang in motion. Evolution took its course after the universe was created, and God let it. Tell me why that's so hard to believe. You don't have to personally attack me, you know. I'm fairly certain we're both capable of engaging in a debate without calling one another weak minded.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I never "personally attacked" you. I told you what you believe is stupid, but that isn't a "personal attack." Why is that hard to believe? Let me see, it goes against the authority on God, the Bible, Evolution is ridiculous, aftereffects of Big Bang destroy its reliability, there's nothing at all to support that theory... Need I go on? Evolution didn't happen. That's probably the main reason why that theory is crap. And the fact that it goes against the Bible. And the fact that the earth is only 6,000 years old. And the fact that the entire Old Testament would be drivel if evolution were true. You simply CANNOT have it both ways. Either you believe in God, in which case you can either diminish his power, and subscribe to the religion of evolution, or you can believe the Biblical account, and believe in creationism. Evolution is a religion. Most-nay, all- of it is theorizing, and nobody witnessed it. It takes more faith than Christianity.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

There's loads of evidence that proves that the Earth is much older than six thousand years. It's four-point-five billion years old. Carbon dating, fossil evaluation, and many other tests prove it. Evolution is a theory, which means it's widely accepted as fact due to numerous tests that have been preformed. What tests have been preformed to prove your theory? Try showing me some evidence that is not along the lines of "The Bible says so" or "God made it that way". Besides, I believe in God, not the Bible. Humans wrote the Bible, not God. Since He Himself is not the author, I don't feel obligated to believe what, to me, are very ridiculous claims made by men. Don't tell me this isn't possible. I believe what I believe. I can think God exists without liking the Bible. All I did on this post was state what I think happened, and you and Phil are telling me why it's wrong, all the while preaching what you believe.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"Carbon dating, fossil evaluation, and many other tests prove it. Evolution is a theory, which means it's widely accepted as fact due to numerous tests that have been preformed." This is so much fail. Can I talk only about this? Carbon dating- There is absolutely NOTHING to compare it to. The ratio is different for every single item, and there is no starting point. There are hundreds of factors that skew the result. And yet, they still think it's a valid method of determining age. Pfft. Fossil evaluation: What? Just by looking at a fossil you can determine the age? Woah! Radiometric dating is almost as bad as carbon dating. A theory is something that isn't true. What tests were "preformed" about it? I'm pretty sure they can't, because it's impossible to time travel. But do go in, it's awesome being able to utterly destroy your arguments. I can't really say anything about your last two paragraphs.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Please, evaluate on how carbon dating is a fail. You think scientific evidence is less believeable than the world being magically created.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

There is hardly any evidence for it. Seriously. Science involves experiments, or at least observation of, tests for it. You just can't. I already explained how carbon dating is bad. They can't reference it with anything, and it is affected by many factors. They know it isn't reliable, yet they still use it. Explain to me HOW the earth was proved to be older.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I share a lot of the same beliefs you do--that many Bible stories are metaphors to help teach His word, that God set the Big Bang in motion and let it shape the world, like a potter spinning clay on a wheel. I am a Catholic, and am curious--what do you consider yourself? Thank you in advance :)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I define God to be X. Since I cannot conceive of X, X must not exist. Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

...What? I don't get it. It's mostly the conceive bit that confuses me. Are you saying that if you can't figure out what something is, then it doesn't exist? If so, that's stupid, but I like your logic.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm sorry, but do you own the term Christian? What gives you the right to say who is and isn't Christian.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

wait...do you know anything about religion? like at all? you do realize that christianity is not the only religion that believes in a god, right? in fact, not all christians necessarily believe in god-christian atheism(yes that is a real religion) does not believe a god exists, but believes in the teachings of jesus christ. also there is a religion-the name eludes me at the moment-which believes that god created the big bang. please, before you bash people, know what you're talking about. i'm by no means an expert-i'm only 15-but before i get myself into arguments such as this one, i have the sense to look into facts so i don't end up sounding ignorant(like you do right now).

by Anonymous 13 years ago

There are so many comments, I don't even know what you are replying to.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You are speaking of micro evolution, which yes, even a Christian such as myself can agree exist. It is a fact. It's the idea that everything evolved from a premortial soup that this post is about, and which I do not believe happened.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

There's everything wrong with believing in evolution and God. First off, the Bible. I'm pretty sure nothing in the Bible would be accurate if evolution were true. Garden of Eden? What about God chilling with Adam? Not possible. Second, evolution is false. I don't know why anyone believes that theory. But it's ridiculous. I mean, I'll take one example: the "half-monkey" men, the austrilopithecus. I mean, really, scientists? What are you trying to pull? Those monkey men are fabricated. None of those fossils were more than 40% complete. So the "scientists" decided to complete the fossils, modifying them to look more monkeyish. Now they're used as evidence!! And thirdly, evolution has NOT been proved, and it is NOT just change over time. If it were change over time I'd subscribe to it, for it'd be true. Evolution, as we know it, is the change of a SPECIES over time. And THAT lacks evidence.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Evolution is a theory. It has not yet been proven or disproven on a macro scale. Unless you have lived for thousands of years, which I highly doubt, there is no way for you to prove whether macroevolution is true or false.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well, there's no evidence for macroevolution, just like the multiple universe theory. Still, with multiple universes, one of them HAD to start. It couldn't have been forever. I'll prove it with logic if you please.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I do not follow, explain further, please.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

At some point in time, whether you believe it to be a trillion years in the past, or less than 10,000, nothing existed. When I say nothing, I mean absolutely no tangible particles. Not a single atom. Nada. Not in this dimension or any. Want me to explain why?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I realize that at one point there was nothing. But just because I believe in evolution does not mean I don't believe in God. I do believe in God, the Father, Almighty, creator of heaven and earth. Of all things seen and unseen. But I believe the Great Mover theory about God. He set everything in motion, and then other processes, like evolution, set off, changing things as they needed to be changed. And as for gaps in the fossil record, they could be a divine intervention, it could be the rock cycle cycled and got rid of important fossils. I do not, nor will anyone, ever know the answer to that.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Okay, tell me how that's not conformist. If you believe that God could create us without evolution, then why believe it? Honestly, your theory has no validity with religion or science. It can't be science because A: you have no reason at all to beleive that, And B: it can neither be proven or disproven. No place with religion because A: it is made up, and B: it doesn't match up with anything already proven or disproven. That isn't to say religion isn't valid, or need facts. It's as scientifically valid to believe in creation as it is to believe in evolution. Both end up with "it can't be disproven, but it can't be proven." Evolution is full of lies, and doesn't match Biblical creation. So anyone who believes in evolution isn't lining up with facts, or the bible.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You have contradicted yourself:"That isn't to say religion isn't valid, or need facts. It's as scientifically valid to believe in creation as it is to believe in evolution. Both end up with "it can't be disproven, but it can't be proven." Evolution is full of lies, and doesn't match Biblical creation. So anyone who believes in evolution isn't lining up with facts, or the bible." You say neither can be proven or disproven, and I'm with you on that, but then you say that evolution is full of lies, and, as you said, there is no way to prove that. But aside from that, the world has changed. I believe that God created everything on earth, all the different species, according to the world around them. But the world has changed, there is no denying that. Continental drift has been proven, and men have, since the beginning of their existence, changed the environment, and I believe evolution changed species to account for these changes.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Wait, there can be lies in evolution. I never contradicted myself. Archaopteryx, a lie. Austrilopithecus? All lies. That can be proven. Oh radiometric dating? Holy crap loads of lies!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

How do you know they are lies? Can you prove it?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Um sure. I wish I had a computer though. Archaopteryx. It doesn't match up in the least with evolution's timeline. It's waaaaay after the supposed Dino into bird transition. About 200 million years after. Also, they have no idea that it has feathers. They added those so it Would seem more birdish. That's deceptive. Austrilopithecus. None of those fossils were more than 40% complete. Get this; the scientists constructed them to look more monkeyish. They have no idea what the skull looks like. Radiometric dating- oh my lord. This is such balogna! Are the other examples enough or do I need to do this also?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

In the case of the Archaopteryx, how do you know they were 200 million years apart? Were you there? This is also just two cases in which results may have been messed with, there are many, many, many more evolution cases. To possibly disprove two does not call all of evolution a lie.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I said it's full of lies. I gave examples. You're... No comment. The scientists say archaeopteryx was around like 100 mil bc. But, they also say the Dino bird thing was 300 million years ago. Now, how would that work? Oh, It doesn't! See. I was right.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

once again, disproving two instances does not disprove all of evolution

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I didn't say all of evolution is a lie, now did I? I said it's FULL OF LIES. That doesn't equate to one big lie, although it probably is one huge hoax. It's a decent theory, no doubt, but there's no valid evidence for it

by Anonymous 13 years ago

There is no valid evidence for creationism as well.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

While that is partly true, it's nearly irrelevant. My religion isn't being taught as fact in schools. Your tax dollars aren't buying textbooks constructed to Trick school children into believing my religion. There aren't lies in my Bible. And I don't go around saying creation is proven. I say any smart person sees that it must be true, but I can't prove it. Yet evolutionists say it's proven that evolution happened.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That is because there is very, very strong evidence in favor of evolution. And the Bible is a spiritual text, not a history book.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah, what evidence, exactly?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What evidence? I tell you what evidence! The evidence people have been showing you in links ever since you joined this website, the evidence in any biology textbook written after Darwin, the evidence in entire fossil record you claim doesn't exist, the evidence depicted rapid evolution of bacteria and viruses, and evidence in the plethora of scientific data that has been collected on the topic. What evidence? All the fucking evidence you've been ignoring your whole life because you think your smarter than the most prominent scientist in the world even though you never been to college. Does that answer your question?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You have yet to give a documented account of one species becoming another. You are aware that scientists can lie, yea? Haeckel's embryos, anyone? Miller-Urey experiment, anyone?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(scrantoncity):http://evolutionlist.blogspot.com/2009/02/macroevolution-examples-and-evidence.html One scientist can lie. But thousands of scientists over many generations won't lie. What would be their motives?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Their motive is to deny the existence of a God, thereby relieving them of their accountability for their actions. Did you read like any of those? Honestly, they're all like fraud. Most of the insect ones don't even involve trans-species...They're all like "well they stopped breeding..." Not that they COULDN'T breed, the typically accepted definition of a new species. http://mall.turnpike.net/C/cs/evid1.htm Where are the trillions of supposed transitional fossils? Shouldn't there be like billions of those with vestigial parts, rather then maybe three questionable ones?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

True that.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

They have never found macro evolution. The closest thing to evolution in proof is different species of dog

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I never once said God didn't create everything but I'm speaking more along the lines of species evolving over time, not where it all began. And I can't choose reply I'm on my phone. And you don't even know me so you have no right to suggest I'm not a Christian.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ok, well what's the point of believing in God, if you're not a Christian. Also, if you're implying that microevolution took place and made the variety within a species that we have today (all the dog breeds) then you are correct. If you are saying that macroevolution occured, making entirely new species, you are mistaken.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

SO basically, if you can't see it happen, you refuse to believe it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I do believe in God so there is a "point". And chemical reactions to bacteria that existed in the early years of earth from the sun and molecules in the ocean (the earth began as mostly oceans) and the process of photosynthesis (the bacteria adapting to the changing environment) resulted in the first plant life. This is believable. And yes, that would be considered "macroevolution". These changes took millions of years to happen, so take that into account.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

But, that's wrong. The Bible said God created the earth, and everything in it in 6 days.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"But that's wrong, because the bible says so" is not a very convincing counter-argument.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No. The world was created by Asland because that's what it said in the Chronicles of Narnia.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I respect your views and I'm in no way trying to change them. Just don't make a post suggesting that anyone who believes in evolution is wrong, just as no one should make a post saying anyone who believes in God is wrong. Everyone's entitled to their opinion so I'll agree to disagree. Just be respectful about it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I wasn't disrespectful, and if everyone has an oppinion, then I have the right to post mine.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You called people who believe in evolution crazy. and some opinions are rude and should not be voiced out loud unless somewhere where your opinions are similar (church) If I say "I hate black people because they're known to steal a lot", would you consider that an opinion I should voice out loud? (I'm fine with black people, js.)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"It's pretty crazy how some people STILL believe in evolution" is disrespectful. It sounds arrogant, as if anyone who believes in evolution is a crackjob.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Just expressing my oppinion.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

In my opinion, you're a douche. Just expressing my opinion...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

This is also my opinion.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I know that, again my point was that next time just be more respectful and aware of how you word things.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Say something is crazy is not disrespectful, I never called anyone a name, or insulted anyone. I said it was crazy, not they people who believe in evolution are crazy.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Now you're just being vague. The "situation" is crazy but not the people causing the situation are?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yes...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm sorry but it doesn't make sense to me. Calling something crazy is insulting, there's not really a way around that

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, you're not making any sense.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The way you phrased your post was disrespectful. That's my point.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Lets just both admit that you ran out of counter arguments, so you decided to tell me that I was being rude.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

So, you're telling me that if I told you: "You're believing in something completely insane and impossible. LOL." you would not be disrespected at all?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, because he's intelligent enough to argue his point, or, if you're being illogical, shake his head and walk away.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I told you before that you need to be knowledgeable about a topic before you go running your mouth. You don't know the first thing about evolution and any time I tried to say something the only thing you could say is "that's wrong because that's not what the bible says" so having an argument with you is pointless when you don't even consider what I've said. And I'm trying to be as nice as possible but you're making it hard.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Um yes it actually does hurt us. how many laws are there made based on religion? how come gays cant get married, cause of christians, how come women are still treated inferior? bc the bible states we are, how come anyone who isnt a christian is mocked and forced out of jobs, schools, clubs (there are many cases of this happening)....because of CHRISTIANS. So whats hurting us worse? Atheists who want everyone to lay off the bible, or christians who shove their idealogy down your throat and if you dont agree they shove you down over and over until you concede.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Let's see, Muslim: convert or die. Christian: Convert or we'll leave you alone. Yeah Christians *totally* force their religion on you.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yea and screaming at someone they're going to hell is not forcing...are you sure you know the definition? Forcing ppl out of jobs, political office, ostracizing ppl...it's more subtle than extremist muslims...but ordinary muslims dont kill you for it i could say the same about extremist christians who kill ppl bc of it

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah, but the Bible doesn't say to kill non Christians, but the Koran calls for the sheding of infidel blood.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Sorry mate but, like most Christians these days, you know nothing about the Qu'ran. It does not call for the shedding of infidel blood; this is merely an interpretation of specific phrases by a minority, rather like the Evangelical branch of Christianity which take the Bible very, very literally. It's ignorant people like you that make the world, the internet and definitely this site worse.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

you know what? You are so clearly a troll that I'm not even going to bother arguing with you about this. I realize that some people really do believe that evolution is a lie, etc, etc. But, the manner in which you are presenting your arguement strongly suggests that in some way shape or form, you are trying to get a rise out of people. Otherwise, you wouldn't continue to make posts like this, considering the fact that others like this have recieved negative attention before. So, it's okay if you believe in god and everything the bible says, but don't even try to pretend for a second that don't enjoy arguing about it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No. It doesn't. You've never read it. STFU

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah, but Phil, you're still being an idiot. A HUMAN wrote the bible, NOT god. Get over it. Believe in god if you want, but if you actually knew anything about evolution, you would understand why it isn't crazy. And if it's crazy to you, then I'm free to express my opinion that anyone who believes in god is crazy and annoying. Although some aren't, people like you are, Phil. You need to learn to shut up and accept not everyone thinks like you, and yes, some Christians do shove their opinion down your throat. Quit excusing your actions, your religion is no excuse to be a brat.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You're being hypocritical. That was a very rude way to get your point across. Unless you are going to express your opinion maturely, don't criticize him for not doing so. Yes he may be a little unreasonable, but you have no room to talk when it comes to idiocy and being a brat.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Actually, no, I'm only being hypocritical to an extent. If he weren't rude, then I wouldn't be rude either. Clearly, you aren't thinking. You can judge my words, but you have no room to judge who I am. Especially on the internet. I'll express it maturely to someone is mature, not someone who deserves such respect. It was obviously rude, so don't state the obvious. I never said anything about expressing his opinion maturely, and if I did, please quote it. Seriously.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I never judged who you are as a person. If I did, please quote it. And you're obviously being serious, so no need to state the obvious. Still being very hypocritical.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well, I'm actually not even close to serious. Just bored. And still being hypocritical? Who isn't? Time to use common sense and realize we all are hypocrites in the end, I'm sure you've done something hypocritical at least once in your life, so shush. I'm not being very hypocritical, only slightly if you interpret it as such. Obviously.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

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by Anonymous 13 years ago

You are wrong on so many levels. First off, has a Christian EVER forced you to listen to him? No? Then back off, you immature baby (Sorry for the redundancy). Have you been physically forced to listen? Of course not! We don't shove it down your throat anymore than you shove evolution down our throats. Heck, even less, for my religion isn't being taught in schools like yours is. You are ALWAYS free to leave. Always. Or just tell us to shut up, though that wont work with me. Actually that's about it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Amen to that!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Unless people are voting it up because they think it's a joke, it's truely disturbing that so many have voted YYA.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah, I thought it was sarcasm at first. I was trying to figure out if it was sarcasm or not, but then I read the comments.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Evolution is a fact. Creational theory isn't. End of discussion.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

this whole evolution thing is like the internet. i do believe that the universe is a branch of another universe, which means we are a multiverse linked to aniother multiverse. NOW, that is like links to other websites. THAT IS BESIDE THE POINT. in this multiverse of websites, all websuites started somewhere with codes and stuff, like the bacteria and micro-whatcha-call-its that helped make the first life on earth. the source of the power is a wifi hotspot, like the sun. i'm going to use google for an example in this explanation. google, when created, used to be just a search engine. then it EVEOLVED into having google maps and translate and all that other stuff. it also EVOLVED to have automatic search. so. the question is did google evolve or was created three or four or however many times? it was evolved. it is still the same website, but the inside of the website has EVOLVED.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

that's a falty arguement because google is real and evolution isnot

by Anonymous 13 years ago

i just proved evolution. and all you said was "it was not real" so, therefor, you have no counter argument.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You want me to prove it?the Holy Bible *father, son, holy spirit* says that God created everything in 6 days. Theyres proof! How our you argue with that!?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You argue that by knowing that the bible wasn't proved to be written by god. It just says it was. Because yes, if something says it was created by someone, it's obviously true. Just because it said so.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

God, not Satan, created evil. Who knew? so that means god is evil. which is why he makes no sense to believe in.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

He created people as imperfect beings. We sinned. God did not make us sin. Even if he did make evil, he made hope and love and happiness which are far greater and more powerful then any negative thing he may have created.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

God did not create evil, nor darkness, nor cold. Cold is but the absence of heat. Darkness is the absence of light. What then is evil? The absence of God

by Anonymous 13 years ago

*high fives*

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I thought God was supposed to be everywhere.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

God is everywhere except where there is evil. Evil occurs when God is pushed away.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Wait? You believe in God? As in the Biblical God?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yes, what of it?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

But you said that national healthcare was a good idea! I'm not saying it goes against Christianity, but I've never met a Christian who supported it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Isn't the healthcare plan what Christianity is all about? Helping those who are less fortunate? A majority of the radical Christians are conservatives, so that's why they're against the plan. The Republican party stressed party line so much that no one thought for themselves at all.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Question: Do you believe in gay rights? What about abortion? Evolution? Yes, the church is supposed to help the less fortunate, not the gov't.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yes, I believe in gay rights, I am not gay myself, but I have no issues with being gay, and homosexual people deserve just as many rights as heterosexual people. Abortion is a sticky subject. I personally believe that abortion is morally wrong unless in extreme cases (rape, life of mom is at risk) and that if someone makes a mistake and gets pregnant they should own up to it and put the child up for adoption is they can't support it themself. However, I do not believe that it is the job of the government to say that people can't have abortions. I believe it should be a personal choice. Once again, I think it's immoral, but it should still be a choice. Evolution- I believe that God created many species when the world first began. But the world changes. Evolution took over once God created everything. As different species needed different abilities, evolution gradually gave it to them over time.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Lol, that explains it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Out of curiosity, why don't you believe in gay rights? Does the bible not say "Love everyone"?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The Bible also doesn't say "turn a blind eye while people comit damnable sins". Besides, the Bible stated several times that homosexuality is wrong. P.S. Just because I don't condone their sin doesn't mean I don't love them.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

But homosexuals deserve every right that heterosexual people deserve. Being gay isn't a choice; it's how God made them to be. And don't say being gay is a choice, it's not. Homosexuals never questioned the marriages of straight people, so why should straight people question the love of homosexuals? One message of Christ is to "Love thy neighbor, regardless of who they are or what they have done to you"

by Anonymous 13 years ago

They have every right heterosexuals have. There is not evidence that being gay is hardwired in your brain, or whatever you think causes it. Give me 1 example. Homosexuals never questioned it because it is natural, and because there were hardly any homosexuals until recently. I don't recall Jesus saying that... Regardless I do love them, I just don't condone their sin.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It is NOT a sin to be gay, God made them that way, it has been proven in studies. Think back to kindergarten or 1st or 2nd grade, or whenever you had your first crush. Why did it happen? It just did right? Some kids feel a crush toward the same gender, that's just the way they are. Matthew 19:19 "Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Would you care to provide links to some of the studies, because there is obviously an endless list of them. *sarcasm* but really, LINK. Yes, because heterosexuality is natural, it is normal for boys to like girls and vice versa. It is not natural for boys to like boys. ono

Nowhere did it say "Regardless of who they are or what they've done to you". Again, I repeat JUST BECAUSE I DO NOT CONDONE THEIR SIN DOES NOT MEAN I DO NOT LOVE THEM!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If you do indeed love them, then why are you against them having rights. For YOU it is natural to like the other gender, but to homosexuals, it is not, it is natural to like the same gender. http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20000329/pointing-finger-androgen-cause-homosexuality

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Because GOD said it is a sin. Again I'n not denying them any right that I have. No, it is natural for a male and female to have sex in order to reproduce and ensure the survival of the species. As it stated, the men with lots of older brothers tend to be more likly to be gay. Do you know why? Because people develop their attractions based on there surroundings. This is why black people tend to be attracted to black people, Asians to Asians. They have lots of brothers = they like boys. Growing up I had 6 sisters, who had brown hair, now I'm more attracted to girls with brown hair.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You have just said it is based on their surroundings, which they have no control over, and thus is not their fault, so they deserve rights just as another person does. The second sentence you just said baffles me "Again I'n not denying them any right that I have." IT SAYS ON YOUR PROFILE PAGE THAT YOU DO NOT SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS!!!!! PEOPLE WHO DO NOT SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS DO NOT WANT GAYS TO HAVE RIGHTS. THIS DENIES THEM OF RIGHTS THAT YOU, a straight person, HAVE!!!!!! your hypocrisy is driving me nuts!!!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That makes it a tendancy, not a absolutely hardwired attraction that can not be gone against. People who's mothers drank while they are pregnant have a tendency to drink, but they're still accountable for their actions. I'm against gay rights in the sense that most people use it in. However their sense is ridiciulous because we have no right that they don't.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

But if it is part of their surrounding, which can affect their tendencies. Kids with alcoholics are more likely to have a tenancy toward drinking, some will and can do little against it, its just how they were brought up, there is nothing they can do (in some, not all cases). and to your second statement: marriage

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If you grew up in an abusive home, would it be ok for you to abuse your kids? No. A tendency is not a irrevesable hardwire. It is simply a slant in one direction. Having a slant to sin does not justify sin. I repeat: I HAVE NO RIGHTS THAT THEY DO NOT.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I repeat: marriage You can marry the person you love, homosexuals cannot. Child abuse is a sin, homosexuality is not. If you were abused as a child, you would be more likely to abuse your children, it is how you grew up, so you justify it as being normal.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, we all have the same rights. I can't marry someone of my own gender, I can someone of ther oposite. A homo can't marry someone of the same gender, and they can one of the oposite. <------ Same rights. Where in the Bible does it say child abuse is a sin? I most certainly can name a few where it says being gay is a sin.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The Bible was written thousands of years ago, somethings are outdated (like homosexuality being a sin). Some laws outlined in the Bible are completely ridiculous. And are you saying child abuse isn't a sin? Just because something isn't directly outlined in the Bible as a sin, does NOT mean it isn't a sin. You're....dumb And its not a matter of opposite gender, its a matter of who you love and think you should spend the rest of your life with. For you and straight people, you can marry anyone who happens to be your SO. Homosexuals cannot. Their relationships are just as legitimate as a couple with a man and a woman.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ok, sorry, I forgot you are smarter than God. But anyways, now that we're equal to God, and we're smarter than Him, who gets to decide which parts are outdated? I may say the part that says thou shalt not murder is outdated. But you say the part about being gay is outdated. Which one of us is the most supreme god so that whoever is the best gets to decide what parts we believe? No, I'm asking where in the Bible it says it's a sin. So I should be able to marry my pet iguana? What about my pillow case? Can I marry myself? I love all these things, and your stupid religion is getting in the way. Also I want to be able to marry a 9 year old girl when I'm 96. And I want to have 18 wives. Also can I get married to my children?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Society changes. Homosexuality was a sin back when the Bible was written. Homosexuality is a social issue and the standard for it changes with society, as society has changed, it is now acceptable. Murder is still unacceptable. No where does the Bible say child abuse is a sin (or at least not that I feel like searching for it). But that by no means results in it not being a sin. Animism is a religion, and if you want to marry your iguana, I might give you a funny look, but I wouldn't tell you no. I am in no place to say to anyone who they can and cannot marry. Your pillow case? Objectism (?), go for it. Yourself? marriage is a union and uniting you with yourself really isn't a union. 18 wifes? Mormonism? It's a religion, I am in no position there to say you can't. Once again, I wouldn't share that belief, but I am in no position to tell you no, just as you, nor anyone else, is in position to tell a homosexual couple that they can't marry.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

So society decided what is and what is not a sin? Homosexuality is not a social issue, it is a sin. As the Bible states. Once people accept murder as ok it will stop being a sin? But it doesn't say it's a sin... So your opinion make it a sin? My opinion (not really) is that it's ok. What about my kids? What about babies? Can I marry my mom? Can I marry God? Can I marry an intangible thing such as the Internet? Can I marry meth and cocane? And yes, you did say you're smarter than God, you decided that your opinion that homosexuality is ok which goes against God is the correct opinion. Thus you think you're smarter than God.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yes, once murder is accepted, it will stop being a sin because people think it is ok. I highly doubt that will ever happen, but if it does, murder will no longer be a sin. Yes, society does define what is and is not ok. And it varies from place to place. In the middle east, women are publicly humiliated if they show any skin at all. In the US, women get publicly humiliated if the don't show skin. Society decides what is right and what is wrong. As society changes, what is right and what is wrong changes. The internet is a more of a concept than a thing, and meth and cocaine are illegal substances (because society doesn't condone them) so you would get arrested for possession. I would not tell you that you wouldn't unable to marry said substances. Again I would think you need mental help, but i would say no. Ok, apparently I said I am smarter than God, please show me EXACTLY where I said this.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What you just said is one of the most insanly idiodic things I have ver heard. At no point in your rambling ridiculous response did you come anywhere close to anything that could be mentioned in the same sentence as Christianity. I bet God just smited a few bunnies and made some rainbows go away because what you're saying is so blasphemous. You are not a Christian, and you are going to Hell. What about kids, mom, babies, god, and the Internet? You are saying that because you think it's ok to be gay that makes it ok. Even though God already said that it is a sin. In fact a damnable sin.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Whether or not homosexuality is a sin is an OPINION, as just because you don't agree with me does NOT give you the right to say I'm going to Hell, because I'm not. You are, because you're an asshole who doesn't think that homosexual people deserve all the same rights that straight people do. And yes, I am a Christian. I treat people, everyone, no matter the race, creed, sexual orientation with the love and respect that they deserve. That is what a Christian is, one who tries to live the life of Christ. And just one question I want you to answer: Who are you to say that homosexual people can't marry? And I know you are going to say that "It's in the Bible, that makes it true" NO IT DOESNT DUMBASS!!! The Bible was written by PEOPLE, not God, dumbass. I think you're a dumbass. Did I mention I think you're a dumbass? Because I don't. I'm doing what you did, name-calling because you don't agree with my opinions. And do you see how ridiculous that is?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, God is always right, and He said homosexuality is wrong. You're saying that right and wrong is an opinion, which goes against the fundementals of Christianity. Therefore you are going to Hell, it's not because I disagree with you. I love everyone too, I just don't pat people on the back and say that aren't sinning when in actuallity they're digging their own grave that will eventually get then to Hell. If you don't believe the Bible you are not a Christian! Simple as that! I never name called you for having a different opinion.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

How do you know God said homosexuality is wrong? Did he personally tell you? How do you know God even exists? And it still stands that the Bible was written by people, not by God himself. The laws printed there are therefore the opinions of those people, not of God. God loves all, that was one of the messages of Jesus, the Son of God, who bore the message of God. And you never answered who you are to say homosexual people can't marry. Please do so.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Because God said so in His book, the Bible. It was written by Him, not man. Well, the Jesus doesn't exist. Because men wrote about Him. Bible.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Religion tells us that God the Father has never manifested on Earth. People wrote the Bible. That is fact.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, God has, in the Burning bush.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

At any rate, social norms have changed. The Bible perhaps was accurate for the times (I wouldn't know, I wasn't there), but times have changed. Homosexuals have never questioned the legitimacy of heterosexual relationships, then why should heterosexuals question the legitimacy of homosexual relationships? And Christianity still preaches of acceptance toward all, no matter the race, creed, or other factors. Everyone deserves to be accepted as a human being, regardless of who they are. That is my stance, and you have stated yours, and I'm not going to try to change it, no matter how hypocritical it is.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I am no longer talking to you, you completely ignor the Bible except the parts that you agree with and you act nothing like Jesus. You are walking down a road the will end you up in Hell. Forever. Without God.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Know what? I'm tired of your immoral perverted diluted blaphemous version of "Christianity". You are going to Hell. And you give true Christians a bad name. The Bible is God's holy word. Written by God. Good day sir, and enjoy your hellish lifestyle.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Your Christian is someone who treats the Bible as a history book, no matter what it is saying. Being homosexual is NOT a sin, would you rather they lie(a true sin) and pretend to be what they're not? My version of CHRISTian is treating everyone with equal love and respect, as CHRIST did. And, yes, I find your view very hypocritical. You say you are Christian, a religion of love and acceptance. But you clearly don't accept everyone. If you did, you would be in favor of gay rights.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I am no longer talking to you. You blasphemous anti-Christ minion of the devil. When you die, tell the devil I said hi.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Now you are name calling because you don't agree with my opinion. You have not talked to God one-on-one, so you don't know the truth. You are an asshole who has no concept of an opinion other than yours. I am calling you an asshole not because I disagree with you, you have your own (different) opinion and I respect that, but because you refuse to let anyone else have their own opinion without you belittling them.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I am no longer talking to you, you disgrace to Jesus, you blasphemer, you anti-Bible. You are going to Hell.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

And you're also showing extreme unacceptance toward something that is different than you. Acceptance of others is a Christian belief (or at least my Christian, I don't know about yours). So you're not a Christian. If you're going to say that you're something, please live it. I'm not saying you have to believe what I believe, that is a matter of opinion, but please have some respect, it will get you quite far in life.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I am no longer talking to you. Please stop replying to me.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Why? because you have run out of arguments and you realize just how hypocritical you are being?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, because I'm trying to have an argument about how homosexuality is a sin. I thought, since you claim to be a "Christian" you believed the Bible. But apperently you decided to throw that book out the window. So you have no basis for your religion. I'm no longer talking to you. Go hang out with Satan and stop stinking up my post with your disgusting version of "Christianity".

by Anonymous 13 years ago

There are multiple versions of Christianity, I can see that, you cannot. You are saying that just because something is different, something is wrong. It's not. And I do NOT throw the Bible out the window, there are just some parts that I do not agree with, homosexuality as a sin is the biggest one. Homosexuality is not a choice, so it can't be a sin. Sins are done by choice.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I am no longer talking to you. Go blaspheme Jesus or something, and leave my post un-crapifide.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yep, you are out of arguments.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I am no longer talking to you. I do not talk to those who hate Jesus.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I do not hate Jesus, and I never said I did. Please sign out of this website forever and make up bullshit somewhere else.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I am no longer talking to you. Please stop posting on this post and leave it alone.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, not until you show respect for what others think, even when their view is different from yours.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Fine, post crap-loads of comments on this post, as of now I no longer am replying to you.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ok, enjoy Hell, you'll end up there for lack of respect.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I mean, really, all I'm asking for is a bit of respect I deserve as a human being.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh sorry, I forgot that you don't give anyone who differs from you any respect at all. I must apologize to ask you to do something out of your comfort zone, heaven forbid you respect someone.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh, and I forgot to mention I think you're going to Hell for lack of respect in that last post.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I know its killing you to not respond to these posts, but you don't want to be more of a hypocrite than you already are, you unrespectful Satan-monger.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Don't you think it's hypocritical of you to complain about someone leaving craploads of comments on your post because you don't want to deal with them when I had to tell you at least 8 times to leave me alone before you finally backed off? "Do unto others", dude.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, I didn't spas out and tell at him to stop, I said that I wouldn't care any longer. I honestly wouldn't care if he left me 1000 replies.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I told you that too. I calmly asked you to stop and said I didn't care what you had to say. What got me mad is that you were acting self righteuos (and I don't want to get into that again, so let's not try to prove who's right or not) and just kept acting the same way and saying the same stuff over and over again without even trying to understand. I wouldn't care if you posted things on my wall that didn't make you sound so mean.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ok, I'll admit, I WAS being hypocritical. However, I thought, "I bet fangirl is gonna see this, so I'll stop". I realize I was being hypocritical, but I know that it is wrong, that was when I said, ok, I'm gonna stop replying and I don't care if you make a 1000 comments.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well you certaintly seemed to care before. Oh sorry, it's you, anything you do is automatically right and whatever anyone else does is wrong no matter what. My apologies.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If (s)he cared about being hypocritical at all, (s)he would look at his/her views honestly and see the issues behind them. (I included pronouns of both genders because I do not know Amish_Allosaurus's gender.)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Still no respect? Wow, I'm the one who always showed respect, and you never showed an ounce, and I'M the one going to Hell? May I ask how that works?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

This is the last reply I am going to make. The Bible never said anywhere that not being respectful ends you up in Hell. It does however say that those who take away from the Bible go to Hell.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

ISNT IT COMMON SENSE THAT BEING DISRESPECTFUL ENDS YOU UP IN HELL??? THINK FOR YOURSELF FOR ONCE DAMMIT!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Also, if your wife committed adultery, would you stone her? It says to do so in the Bible. You therefore have to do it, according to your logic. Or would you listen to what Jesus said in John when he stopped a adulteress from being killed by stoning. The Christian thing to do would be to listen to Christ, whose name is in your religion. Which would you do? This is an honest question, I'm not mocking you.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I told you I'm not replying anymore.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

And why don't you answer? Because if you say you would stone your wife, you go against the teachings of Christ, and if you wouldn't, you would be going against Leviticus? You finally see there are inconsistencies in the messages of the Bible and that you must actually think as to what is right? Would be a great shame to force someone to think.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Having fun stuck up in the concept of yourself such that you can't see anything else? You can't answer a simple question? Answering a question is much easier than showing respect, can't you just do that?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Or are you not responding because you know that anything you say will get destroyed by logic, which is something you do not possess, and you're too stuck up to see that you're being very hypocritical?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I am also not smarter than God and nor did I say that I was.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

With Health care, the government would be helping the less fortunate, which is what Christianity is all about. It shouldn't matter who is helping them, as long as they are being helped.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Please back off in the hopes of fairness. Me and Phil are capable of doing just fine. Try commenting on some of the music posts.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm sorry. Are you serious? It's written, therefore it's true? Well hell, I've been missing out on a few things. Imma go buy me a wand and shout spells at things and see if magic's real too. Must be, if it was in a book!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

S/he may not have a counter-argument, but I certainly did.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

not really. not at all.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You're an imbecile. Did google evolve? Of course not!!! Humans did that. You just made an argument for intelligent design. Way to fail.

good job, dude.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

you are dumb... i didn't say google really did evolve i meant it to be an example of how evolution can be applied to stuff. i used google as an example because it changed so much since the day it was launched. i'm pretty sure i know what i am talking about you lame rectum-sniffing dickhead

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Dude, stop being dumb. The thing is, Google DIDN'T evolve. PEOPLE changed google. Replace "Google" with "Everything," and "People" with "God" and *shazam* perfect intelligent design. People changed google. That was an example of intelligent design. You failed.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

people evolved google. our genes evolved us. Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Hey, why don't we stay on topic? Google would NOT have been updated by itself. Would it have? No? Just admit that your example was counter-productive. Because any intelligent person can see how badly you lost. How about Option 3? He is both able and willing, but won't. Wanna know why? Because he's more intelligent than we. He knows what's best. He allows free will. He doesn't want mindless robots worshiping him. Did you know that we are on the earth for the sole purpose of worshiping Him? He gave us free will so we would CHOOSE to worship him. He won't interfere with free will. Don't even try to argue with me. I reign supreme in all matters concerning evolution. Any point you develop I'll break down.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

haha that riddle i gave you made you8 lose this argument. any intelligent person would know that. you kinda are a mindless robot if you are arguing like this. we are on earth because we are perfect distance from the sun and we have a perfect atmosphere that little microorganisms created. and we are on earth as humans because we evolved. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YymNb-pr-Pc

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You think I lost? You gave an example or intelligent design, and you're STILL arguing that it's evolution. How dumb are you? I thought you seemed pretty smart, but if you think google evolved without humans upgrading it you're pretty dumb.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

i must go now.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Is that your way of admitting defeat? Because, frankly, I answered your question, and you never answered mine. Did Google actually evolve? Because I'm almost certain a human (ie a designer) reprogrammed it, and upgraded it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Evolve means to develop gradually. Google developed gradually. Therefore, Google evolved.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You're dumber than I thought. When discussing the theory of evolution, stick to those definitions. Evolution isn't simply "change over time." If it were, it wouldn't be disputed. Because change over time occurs, and can be observed. The theory of evolution attests that animals evolved from lower life-forms to be better and better through natural selection. THROUGH NATURAL SELECTION. Now, did google evolve that way? No. It was designed. It changed because people reprogrammed it. Did someone reprogram the animals every time they changed? If so, why didn't that being just form everything? Seriously, stick to your prissy feminism arguments. You don't know jack squat about evolution.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The word evolve does in fact mean to change over time. I realize that the Theory of Evolution is more complex than that. I never said Google evolved through natural selection. It evolved through unnatural selection because it's evolution was controlled by a group of people not it's environment. Further more, we live in a world were 70 percent of the world's 1.3 billion poor people are women, two-thirds of the 130 million children worldwide who are not in school are girls, and over 50 percent of women earn 25 percent less than pay of males for the same work. So don't you dare tell feminism is "prissy" or unnecessary.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, any (smart) person will tell you how dumb that argument is. It was reprogrammed. It didn't evolve on its own. Okay, why don't you DO something about it, rather than whine and moan on your laptop. If you actually cared, you could sell your computer, your sell phone, your television, and your nice clothes, and you could actually help them. Until you actually attempt to fix it, stop whining and saying how YOU'RE so disadvantaged. You seem to be under the impression that society tries to keep YOU down. Well, we don't. In the great country in which you live (assuming you live in the US, don't you?) you aren't being oppressed. You can do whatever any guy can. Either do something about it, or shut up.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Google changed over time. Therefore Google evolved. Google was created and changed by men, not by the environment which means it's evolution was different than that of organisms. You don't know me so you can't tell me I don't do anything to help women. Obviously, I'm not a saint or a hero and I haven't given up all my money to help the poor, needy, and oppressed. I do try to help in small ways when I can like by being a girl scout and running workshops for younger girls, writing letters to politicians and by volunteering in my community. As demonstrated in the UN statistics I showed your earlier, women around the world are denied many opportunities and basic human rights. I never said I personally was disadvantaged. The fact that I have always had enough food to eat makes me wealthier than most of the world.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Lol, Girl Scouts...Nothing says "I'm equal to men" like selling cookies infused with crack.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh, finally you see sense... Not. Listen, chica, you act like you're being oppressed. You act like you have a hard life, and should be recompensed. You act like you deserve more rights. Truth is, you don't deserve the rights you already have. I don't, nobody in the US deserves these rights. Stop acting like you're being oppressed. You also seem to think that you should be allowed to commit murder. Why? Why would that power fall to you? Ah, but on the inside, you're nothing but a speaker. You don't do squat for anybody, and then complain. Pathetic.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Besides spreading lies on the internet about evolution, what have YOU ever done to make the world a better place? I don't think you've done any more than I have. Neither of us have done anything noteworthy or heroic. Since I actually care about people a little bit, I believe that everyone in the world is born with certain rights that no one should take away like life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It really sucks that you don't think anybody in the world deserves those rights. It's really ironic that you call me "chica" in a degrading way and tell me that women are not being oppressed in the same sentence. While I'm on the topic of irony and hypocrisy, complaining about how someone complains to much seems like a bit of a contradiction as well.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You know what's hilarious? I'm not the one saying that a certain group is being oppressed, insinuating that i am, too, while doing nothing. I never said we should help the wealthy, white, happy teenagers in America. You think you deserve those rights? What have you done to deserve them? Funny, chica, that doesn't make you oppressed. You're an idiot if you think public opinion actually restricts your rights.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I am human and therefore entitled to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness as are all other people in the world. People deserve those rights because God gave those rights to them not because they did something to merit them. I was talking about the rights of women. Women are indeed being oppressed by being raped, forced into sex slavery, and denied an education on the basis of their gender. I do not see it as selfish to strive for a world where the status of women is equal to the status of men. I can't understand why some people don't want that.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Equal =/= everything is the exact same for both genders even though there are obvious differences between them.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If everyone is equal how come we live in a a world were 70 percent of the world's 1.3 billion poor people are women, two-thirds of the 130 million children worldwide who are not in school are girls, and over 50 percent of women earn 25 percent less than pay of males for the same work?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Endowed by our Creator. Right. We didn't do anything to deserve them. You think you earned that? No, you didn't. And men have the same problems, too, just not on the same scale. That doesn't mean you should say that you're at a disadvantage.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

We deserve the rights that were endowed to us by our Creator because all humans deserve those rights. We both agree that everyone deserves the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and we also agree that many women are denied these rights an account of their gender. Therefore, we both believe people ought to help women get these freedoms. I don't know why we are arguing about this because we both agree on the fundamental principals behind human rights. Also, I really don't know why you think I am a man-hating, radical, spoiled, chauvinist Nazi for wishing women has more rights. Now, may we move on to a more significant argument or are you going to add a few more catty remarks about about how spoiled, stupid, or hypocritical I am?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I have a question: what rights are women denied on account of their being a woman?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

As I said many times before: we live in a world were 70 percent of the world's 1.3 billion poor people are women, two-thirds of the 130 million children worldwide who are not in school are girls, and over 50 percent of women earn 25 percent less than pay of males for the same work. If you want more examples I be happy to find some for you.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

1. Maye women aren't as willing to get a job. Being poor doesn't mean you are being denied rights. Anyone who works hard can climb out of poverty. 2. How is someone not being in school a right that is denied to them? They have school for everyone. 3. Males are stinger, and (in general) harder workers. They can get more things done in a day. ^Lol @ ur argument^

by Anonymous 13 years ago

1. This is world wide, not just America. Not everyone who works hard can climb out of poverty. In poverty ridden countries everyone wants to work, there is no being willing. Part of getting out of poverty is getting an education. 2. There are so many countries that do not allow women to get an education. And even if they do their parents are scared that if they go they will be raped on their way so don't let them, also they think it's more important for their sons to get an education. And their main prority is to get their daughters married off asap and it's not uncommon for girls to be sold as sex slaves if their parents can't find someone to marry them. 3. That argument is invalid because there are many physically strong women and not all work involves physical labor. 4. There are many countries that do not even allow women the right to vote let alone other rights you and me take for granted... cont

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Open your eyes, just because you can't see it right infront of you doesn't mean that it's not happening.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

*stronger

by Anonymous 13 years ago

i am christian but i definitely don't support people who say evolution is a lie. there are two different versions about the creation of earth in the bible, so which one is true then because they are so different that both can't be true.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What are you talking about? There is one account, in Genesis 1:1. Then, in Genesis 1:2, it describes the events in the Garden of Eden. That is completely separate, and, if you wish, you can forget it entirely. It holds no relevance with the creation of the earth. It's just insight into God's Kingdom- Eden.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

it is not just about the garden of eden, it is also about the creation of earth. the first 'story' begins with the earth consisting of nothing but dirt and stones. the second version begins with everything being water, which is then divided. in the first one, people are created last, in the second one adam, who's name only means sth. like 'the one who is coming from earth' , is created before any animals. the versions differ so much because the areas where their authors were living, were very different. by the way, the second version, which is much younger, was written around 750 B.C. by imprisoned priests.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh really? The second one is in the Garden of Eden. Why can't you see this. Tell me, have you even READ both accounts? Then you don't know anything. It's very clear that the second occurs in the garden of Eden, giving us insight to the perfection.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

oh i have read both of them, have you? because if you have, you must admit that the second one starts with describing what earth was looking like before god created the garden of eden or earth.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm almost certain you haven't read it. My Bible is extremely clear that this is happening only in the Garden. Maybe you're reading "The Rick James" version. Or else you're lying. Because it clearly says God formed Eden, then put Adam there, then made the animals right there to show Adam.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

So because I'm not agreeing with you means that I am lying? my parents' best friend is a catholic priest and he completely agrees with what i wrote here. oh and because i saw that you, some time ago wrote, that all people who are not christian will go to hell. so tell me, will jews also got to hell?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I don't know; the bible isn't clear about that. Yeah, most will probably to to hell though. Catholics don't know anything about their own Bible. But it's very clear that it's specifically in Eden. If you disagree you're wrong, for it's very clear right in front of me that that is specifically for Eden.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

interesting that most will probably go to hell because jesus and the apostles also were jews. i am extremely offended that you honestly dare to say that the catholics don't know anything about 'their own bible'. what gives you the right to say this? who tells you that the way you interpret the bible is the correct one?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Are you a catholic? You don't know your bible. Jesus never sinned. He doesn't have to go to hell. I have no idea what happened to the people before Jesus. I know that the Jews who atoned for their sins with animals will be fine.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

i never said that jesus had to go to hell. but jesus spent time with people like Mary Magdalena. people who sinned. he liked them, he forgave them. he didn't judge them. unlike people like you, who judge other people, for instance for being gay.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Have you heard me judge someone who is gay? I haven't. My uncle is gay. I don't judge him. Saying something is a sin isn't judging. However, treating them differently for sinning is being a hypocrite. Homosexuality is a sin. That doesn't mean I judged them. Learn to use the English language. You implied that Jesus was going to hell. Or, at least, asked why He wasn't.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

wow now i see that you are right. tomorrow I am immediately going to convert to whatever religious group you are a member of. life is so much easier when whatever you say is the correct thing. but really now, if everybody who isn't a christian and everybody you say is a sinner, is going to go to hell, then i am more than glad that i am going to hell because a lot of really nice people are going to be there, because they did somehting wrong according to you. oh and it is judging when you say that something is a sin because you say that it is wrong/bad.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's not judging. How is it judging? A sin is a sin, defined by the authority on God, His written word, the Bible. I'm just relaying the message to those who've obviously never opened one. Everyone is going to hell, but you won't be able to see anyone. It will be eternal darkness, loneliness, and burning. You will have to suffer, alone, forever. Is that REALLY what you want?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

yes, i am already looking forward to burning in hell.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Good for you.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

hahaha faggot phil the minion is getting herbed by a huge group of losers... ah, now gay bitch phil knows how it feels to have an annoying bunch of fleas bothering you. Difference is, phil the minion is still a bitch.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

For all I know, the Creation story might just be that; a story. I believe in God and in evolution.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

There's more proof evolution is real than god, personally.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(B!tchhplease): Uh-huh. Right, keep on dreaming.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

ahem, there is more proof and consistency that the Bible is true. If you don't believe it, then fine. But evolution goes against science in so many ways! 2nd law of thermodynamics: everything goes from order to disorder. Like your room only gets dirtier, unless you clean it. And also it contradicts the cell theory. All cells come from preexisting cells. Then where did the very first cells come from? How could all of the complex things of today just pop into existence without creating them? If you think evolution is true, then how do you explain that anything got here in the first place at all? Evolution is bloody stupid. I'm not saying all who believe it are stupid, but they have been mislead by schools and the media. If they looked into it, though, they would find that it does not make any sense at all.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Also one of the laws "Matter can neither be created nor destroyed." Hmm, until evolution adopts a supernatural being, they cannot call it a theory, only a religion.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

How the fuck does evolution contradict the law that matter can neither be created nor destroyed? Nobody claimed there is more matter than there was before the emergence of life.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Once again, educate yourself. The evolution theory relies on the Big Bang to exist. Without the big bang, and some kind of abiogenesis, evolution isn't possible. Most scientists subscribe to the religion of evolution/ big bang.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If you really believe you know more about physics than the greatest physicists of the modern era you must be one of the most arrogant overconfident people in the world. Physicists agree that the Big Bang theory is in keeping with the laws of physics. I'm going to believe physicists because their assertions are are based on thousands of years of research, advanced mathematics, and are proven in experiments. You, on the other hand, have no credibility whatsoever. Yet, you still believe yourself to be more intelligent than every scientist in the world and believe that your erroneous idiotic assertions are the word of God.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The cell theory has been disproved for awhile now. If it were true no beings would be able to reproduce or heal, seeing as cells reproduce for both to occur. Maybe you should pay more attention.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The cell theory has been disproved for awhile now. If it were true no beings would be able to reproduce or heal, seeing as cells reproduce for both to occur. Maybe you should pay more attention.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That's an absolutely ridiculous phrasing of the second law of thermodynamics. What about snowflakes? How does their orderly shape come about? Snowflakes and evolution are of course entirely different things, but to suggest that nothing can become more ordered is laughable.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Take it up with the scientists, buddy.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I did. The closest wording of the second law of thermodynamics to what is above is "The entropy of a closed system cannot decrease." Entropy as a concept is very difficult to clearly explain. In high school textbooks it is often explained as meaning 'disorder' but this is not entirely accurate. I could try and get technical and explain what entropy is, but here I don't really need to because this idea that entropy (disorder) only increases applies to closed systems only. A cell is not a closed system. A life form is not a closed system. The planet is not a closed system. The entropy of any system can and often does decrease (order increasing) by increasing the entropy (decreasing the order) of a surrounding system.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I agree that this doesn't apply to living beings. However, then, how would you explain the rocks turning into living things? They weren't living. They couldn't CHOOSE to be higher classification. There is no evidence showing that that is even possible, which many people doubt it is.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What? Where did anyone claim that rocks would spontaneously turn into living things? No one is claiming that rocks choose anything. The origin of life is not known in much detail at all, though it has been proven that most amino acids (which are integral to life as we know it) can be formed by inorganic chemical reactions. There are several theories, such as the iron-sulfur world theory and the RNA world hypothesis. I encourage you to look into them, but ultimately we don't know how life began, nor do most scientists claim to. But this, again, has little to do with evolution. Evolution deals with the development of basic life into all the forms we see it in today. Darwin's book was called "On the Origin of Species", not "On the Origin of Life" for a reason.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I didn't say spontaneously. The soup couldn't CHOOSE to become Alive. As for the amino acids thing: Take a frog. Blend him up into a paste. Let that paste sit for twenty million trillion years in an isolated, life-free zone. Will that paste harbor life? No! That has all the necessary components for life. That doesn't mean life can form from it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

As I said, I don't know how life formed. Maybe after twenty million trillion years the paste would harbour life, maybe something else is needed. I don't know. But this is NOT evolution. Evolution is the DEVELOPMENT and SPECIATION of life, not the creation of it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

no u also, i must agree, a selfish fuck that is omnipresent and omnipotent yet decides to let people die in famine and diseases is very believable. Specially since we have this book, with no evidence whatsoever, to tell us about it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's crazier that people still believe in God, even with hundreds of thousands of years with NO proof. At least we actually see evolution.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I could argue all day and night about how Phil and Scranton and others are misinterpreting scientific principles and treating the bible as infallible (which it absolutely is not) but there seems little point. My main question though, is why does everyone who disagrees with evolution on scientific grounds also happen to be a religious zealot? Surely this can't be a coincidence. And you can certainly believe that God created and designed all life and support evolution. Perhaps evolution is the mechanism by which God creates.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Religous trolling FTW

by Anonymous 13 years ago

100th comment!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Congradulations.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm really just wondering why the word "Still" is in here. If anything, over time MORE evidence has been found.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ok, give me a reason to believe that evolution is a lie.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Evolution is obviously legit. Haven't you ever played Pokemon?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, actually.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well, THAT'S the problem! We need to get you a Gameboy, stat.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I have one.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What kind?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Advance

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Great. You can star from the beginning. Pick up Red or Blue, and earn at least two badges. If you REALLY care about graphics, get Fire Red or Leaf Green instead.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Pokemon evolution isn't close to the theory at all. Coincidentally I'm playing pokemon diamond right now.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I know, 'twas just a joke. But then I found out she never played Pokemon, then I serious'd. (This is my serious face: http://www.myfacewhen.com/184/)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm a guy...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Sorry. When I don't know, I usually say she. I'm right 52% of the time.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's ok.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Wow guess I must be crazy then! Silly me to believe in science and facts! Whoops!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ahem, what "science" exactly? I was under the impression that "science" including being able to reproduce, or at least witness, something. Has anyone *ever* witnessed trans-species evolution? Nope. What "facts?" I'm pretty sure the valid facts are few and far between, and those that are aren't that supportive of evolution.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

have you ever witnessed god?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(j.): Have you ever witnessed trans-species evolution? Nope. Your argument is invalid.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

just as invalid as yours.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(j.): Where, in the argument that you replied to, did I mention creation? Christianity is a religion, that is to say, it can't be disproved, but it cannot be proven. Evolution is a theory, that means it SHOULD be able to be proven, but they can't. Thus, making it a religion.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Your issue is the concept of a species, which is essentially an artificial one. A parent may have a child that is slightly different, but not enough to be a new species. That child will have a child with the same result. You could go back 50 generations and the ancestor will probably not be different enough to be considered a new species, but go back x generations and, by x instances of microevolution (which even you cannot deny occurs) you will have a life form different enough to be a new species. The problem is that the number of generations you have to go back is usually very large. How are we supposed to look back a million generations in dolphins? We obviously can't directly observe this, but we can look at the fossil record. Which we do, and we find creatures very similar to dolphins but different enough to be a new (or old) species. Of course we are not going to find fossils for each generation, or even for very many of them. But we find enough.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Actually, we find very few, considering. But, where you're mistaken, is the concept of species. Species, is basically any group of organisms capable of breeding and producing fertile offspring. Did you know wolves and dogs can interbreed? They're considered the same species. But that is kinda irrelevant. Other than saying "They is a ton of fossils showing this," you haven't really provided any evidence.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That definition is a good rule of thumb for deciding whether two animals are different species or merely sub-species, but I don't think it is accurate in every case. Either way my original argument stands. The odds of a dead animal becoming a fossil are actually very low, life decomposes very quickly after death and very specific conditions need to be met in order to stop this and create a fossil. Given this, we find more or less as many fossils as we would expect to. And I'm not going to cite specific fossils, you can do a google search or open up any palaeontology book if you want to see examples.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, those pesky fossils might be an indication though. That's the problem with you ignorant people, you just refuse to face the truth when there is proooof staring at you right in the face. "Facts" are true things. Like evolution. I'm so done arguing with you, your conservative religious crap is draining my energy and killing my brain cells.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Show me some "facts." Fossils prove nothing, buddy. That's like me just saying "Animals!!"

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Why don't fossils prove anything?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The bible is full of ridiculous theories and beliefs. And that thing about 'six days' is either a metaphor or a piece of crap.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

S, You are disrespectful. You, by your illogical and twisted "rants" will ultimately drive others away from believing in God, so way to fail there. I would argue about evolution but you seem to repeat yourself a lot so there's no point when you only have a handful of things to respond with. And that being said, I believe in God, I know in my heart He exists. But to suggest everything in the bible should be taken literally isn't exactly the brightest thing to do. You said it yourself that scientists "tampered" with evidence trying to prove evolution, what makes you think or even gives you the right to preach that everyone who wrote the bible is infallible? Believe what you will, but you cannot possibly believe creationism is flawless. And I'm in no way suggesting evolution is flawless either.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(on my phone): Are you talking to me? Go ahead, argue evolution with me; see if you can stump me. Is there any indication, anywhere, that we SHOULDN'T take the Bible literally? No? Of course there are parables and obvious metaphors, but it never says "Oh take this figuratively!" Taking it metaphorically tells me that you think you're smarter than the writers, and ultimately, God. Are you smarter than God?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Are you smarter than every single non-fundamentalist christian theologian in existence?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

...what I SAID is that what makes you believe that people didn't fuck up when writing the bible. Did I suggest that I'm smarter than God? No. It's funny that you have absolutely nothing to say back to my original comment and have to pull shit out of your ass. Is there any indication that every little thing in the bible SHOULD be taken literally? No? Wow.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ok, im going to add to this clusterfuck of comments by saying that, statistically speaking, The big bang theory and evolution making our world as we know is scientifically impossible. the odds are one in a trillion trillion. thats 1 in 1000000000000 chance. i dont think so.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Did you pull that number out of your ass?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, true fact. Statistically insurmountable.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You mean it's true that the odds are one in a trillion trillion? How would we even hope to measure that? Or do you mean it's true that the odds are very low? I would tell you how your wrong, but I honestly don't know how you came up with that.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Some scientists calculated like all the things exactly perfect, and then multiplied all the percent chances of it happening. This is a website explaining that. It's only part of it, partway down the page. http://www.godsci.com/gs/new/finetuning.html Check it out. It's actually WAAAAAAAAY larger than we said. It's 1/(10^30)^30 That is a number so incomprehensibly large that it would take billions of years to count only the zeroes in that number. This number is HUGE.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Just read that site... that's a lot of zeros...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Almost as many zeroes as I get on my homework.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

haha.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Thanks for the link. Just so everyone is clear this has nothing to do with evolution. Nothing used to calculate this number has anything to do with the existence (or lack thereof) of evolution, as far as I could tell. It is still a very interesting topic, but as we are commenting on a post about evolution I though I should clarify this. This calculation is instead based on the odds that physical constants, such as the speed of light or the mass of a neutron, would be what they would be. It is undeniable that if even a couple of these constants were even slightly different the universe would 'fall apart', or, that matter in the universe would be largely inert and unreactive or worse, and that the universe would be unable to support life. The conclusion many draw is that something (God) must have chosen these constants so that this universe could exist. To be continued...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The problem with this is that there is zero evidence that it is even possible for these constants to be anything other than what they are. As an analogy: we don't say "Aren't we lucky that 1+1=2? Imagine what would happen if 1+1=3" (not the same thing, I know, it's just an analogy). Perhaps these constants have the value that they do because it is impossible for them to have any other. Also, I don't think this takes into account that even if the universe were vastly different, perhaps very different life would have come about, not no life at all. We simply don't know. Lastly, you may notice my use of the words 'perhaps' and 'don't know'. This is because we don't know. With our current limited scientific knowledge, trying to calculate the probability of our universe existing is speculation only.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That is a good retort, eloquently written. However, I'll give you an example. Say, when we arrive on Mars, we see a dome. A dome with a thousand knobs being able to be set from 1-100 inclusive. You go to Mars, and randomly set them all. Then, in the distant future, say, a thousand years after that, you see that they all have been changed deliberately, and that life is flourishing inside that dome. Obviously someone, probability with technology eons ahead of our own, or just incomprehensibly smart, set the knobs to those specific points, and if any of them were moved one degree the life wouldn't be possible. That's kinda like the universe. Our universe is balancing on a razor thin line between life and not life, and, for me, the only explanation is that someone, somewhere, deliberately set those constants. Also, there is no argument for "Well that could just be the way it has to be." (Not a real quote, just a sorta paraphrase) What if that were my argument? Continued

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What if that were my argument? Say you gave me a ton of evidence for evolution, and then I just wrote: "Well those could just have to be the way it has to be done." That would NOT qualify as a valid response.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If we found such a dome and found that some mysterious being had changed all the knobs so that life could exist, I would have to conclude that whoever changed them was at least very very intelligent, perhaps even supernaturally so. But we have not found this dome. We have no reason to think that it is possible for these knobs (physical constants) to be set to anything other than what they are, no reason to think that it is possible for them to be changed by anything, supernatural or otherwise. All we know is that they are what they are. If you want to believe that there is a God who set them then that's fine, but that is not necessarily the case. As to your second comment; I'm not exactly sure what that hypothetical response would mean, so no I wouldn't accept it as a valid response.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, I'm saying that your response doesn't qualify. Just saying "Well, that may be the way it HAS to be," with no evidence at all, just speculation, doesn't count as a counterpoint.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm saying it COULD be the way it has to be. Assuming either way is speculation.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Actually logic tells us that it would NOT be fixed in stone. http://www.drdino.com/ This is probably THE best site for any evolution questions/concerns.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

How does logic tell us this?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Why, that's simple. Well, I guess they might could have to be set in stone, but that would only be possible with a god. If we started with nothing, and then that changed into everything, obviously the constants could be *whatever* they want. It wouldn't automatically just sync with a certain variables and be done. That's absurd. Without a higher power, there is no way that they'd be impossible to change. Because why would the rules follow some illogical pattern for no reason unless we were created?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ignoring your syntax, I don't see how that is logical. Take pi. Pi is a constant equal to 3.14whatever, and it is obvious that it cannot be anything else. Even God could not change the ratio between the circumference of a circle with it's diameter, any more than he can make a square circle. Now take the speed of light. To us it may seem arbitrary, but there is still so much we don't know. The wave-particle duality of light and other issues with quantum physics mean that the answers to many questions about the fundamental nature of light are at best theoretical and at worst completely unknown. We can't assume that there isn't a similarly logical reason (even if it is absurdly complicated and difficult conceptualise) for the speed of light to be what it is. If we had a proven 'theory of everything' maybe we would find this logical reason. Maybe we wouldn't, but maybe we would.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The "Theory of Everything" is utterly absurd. Steven Hawking is not as intelligent as portrayed. This hypothetical situation is hurting my head. While I agree that even God cannot do some things, it's illogical to change Pi. There IS a constant between the radius and circumference. It's visible, mathematically sound, impossible to change it. Why? Because it's a proportion. Now, until somebody proves the existence of a correlation between every constant in the universe, i.e. Theory of Everything, your argument is speculation. However, without God, there can be no constants. There just can't. Why? Because those would've HAD to been broken when nothing turned into something. However, while there was nothing, the laws probably weren't enacted, leaving God free to mess with the physics as he wishes. Then, after creating everything, He probably built laws into the fiber of the universe, which can't be broken. Either argument is valid, for both are speculation.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

My argument is not speculation because I'm not saying that there is a correlation between all these constants, I'm saying there could be. We don't know, but for now we have to be open to the possibility. If you want to see an example of speculation I would direct you to your third paragraph. And how can the "theory of everything" be absurd when we don't even have one yet?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I meant the attempt to make a "theory of everything." I caught your post before you changed it, luckily enough. And, I said that my argument was speculation, funnily enough. Did you miss that? If you aren't speculating, then you don't even have a response.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I see the attempt to make a theory of everything as a lofty goal, sure, but not as absurd. And I didn't change any of my posts... I'm fairly sure I do have a response without speculating, I'm fairly sure you just replied to it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You posted something, then I saw it change. You shortened it, and that's about it. No, you actually wouldn't have a counter.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

OK this was fun but this will be my last comment. I honestly did not edit any posts here. And as you are just denying that my response exists instead of arguing against it I think it might be you who doesn't have a counter. I'll see you on some other post in the near future :)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You don't have a response. Basically your replies dwindled to irrelevant. It's not like we're debating Anymore

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Just a question for all those people who don't accept evolution. (I'm looking at you scranton city). Which parts of the evolution theory do you not agree with? Do you not believe the earth is that old? Do you believe that species develop over time? Do you believe in natural selection? Do you believe with most of evolution except that it is the origin of life? How do explain fossils? Do you think scientists are lying or just stupid? I can't argue with you unless I I know what to argue.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yes. No. Yes. No. What about them? Both.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You don't believe that species develop over time? That's illogical. It is happening right in front of you. Why would scientists lie? What are their motives?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Depends on what kind of change you're talking about. They get millions of $ in grant money, also if they said they were wrong people would stop blindly following them. Lastly if evolution was wrong it would force them to believe in ID, at least until they scrounged up a new theory.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

So basically you believe that you personally are more intelligent AND more moral than every scientist in the entire world. Has it ever occurred to you that your perception of reality might be skewed by your tremendous ego?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, I am not. There are many who don't believe in evolution, so I'm not smarter than ALL of then. Joking aside, they might not know it's inccorect, but it is. No, not my ego. I'm just following what God said.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Not at all. You assume that your erroneous assertions about science are the word of God. They are not Gods words, they are your words even though you can back up some of your assertions with Bible verses. You are not the voice of God on earth so maybe it's time to realize that your knowledge of God and Science is limited and it is even more limited than the knowledge of learned men.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

So you're saying God, the omniscient creator of the universe, is wrong? Yeah, but these guys (creation.com) are real scietists, there is plenty of evidence against evolution, written by REAL SCIENTISTS!!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

@825772 (Amish_Allosaurus): I'm not saying God is wrong. I'm saying you're wrong about God. You seem to be under the impression that all the mysteries of God and the earth which he created can be explained by humans in a around 500 pages. Like science, The Bible is just one of man's feeble attempts at explaining the mysteries of God. However, they are different. The Bible tells us that God created the world and science tells us how. If one seeks scientific enlightenment one should study science, not theological scripture.

by Anonymous 13 years ago