Killing an innocent baby because someone raped you is a bigger crime than the actual rape, amirite?

Do you mean killing an actual baby or ball of cells?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(Anonymous(:): if a fetus is a ball of cells, what are we?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

A fetus does not exist until 10 weeks. First there is a zygote (ball of cells) then an embryo.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(Anonymous(:): im pretty sure it 'exists' even before 10 weeks because it's obviously there... you can even see it. sure it may not be as developed until later but think about it. a toddler isn't as developed as a teenager but that doesn't make him/her 'non-human'. humans make humans, no matter what stage of life. people just say it's not alive to make it seem ok to get an abortion, when really it's not.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I wasn't saying that the fetus/zygote wouln't become human eventually, and I'm sorry if I was unclear. I was just commenting on the difference between a fully developed fetus and the earlier stages. A zygote is just a multitude of cells with a now specific DNA. When the organism becomes a fetus is when it begins to develop human organs and such. In my view, I would give a victim the right to choose at the earlier stages in the pregnancy just because of how underdeveloped it is, but that's just my opinion. :)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(Anonymous(:): why should it be our decision to choose who gets to experience life and who doesn't?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I guess it just depends on when you feel a human's individual identity is separate from that from his or her mother's, and I'm sure we will disagree there. Agree to disagree?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(Anonymous(:): UGH! ok..

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Why should you get to decide what a woman does with her body?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

because within her body is another body and it would be selfish of her to kick that body out of her body because 'she just doesn't want 'it' there'

by Anonymous 13 years ago

We already make the decision who gets to experience life and who doesn't by having sex. Do you use protection? Oh, then you decide that that egg doesn't get to be a human some day! You don't? Then you decide it does get to be a human some day! So, if you believe in God, he made us able to choose.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

(Anonymous(:): Essentially, we are all just cells no matter what stage of life we are in...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

A mushroom is also just cells. I don't see your point.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The orginal commenter said the fetuses are just cells, but so is everything else so why is that an exceptable argument

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Rape should be the only excuse for abortion. Think about it: would you want a constant reminded of what happened to you? The victim would end up resenting the child since it was conceived with her rapist.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Even if you were to be raped, abortion is not necessary. There are pills on the market that prevent pregnancy instead of killing an embryo that is already forming, the newest of which works up to five days after the occurance. Are you telling me that if you were raped, you wouldn't go to the hospital withing 5 days? I think that would be the first place I would go.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Of course someone should do that first. If for some reason someone couldn't make it to the hospital and abortion was the only way to get rid of the kid, I think it would be acceptable. All I'm saying is that if it was either get an abortion or have the kid, most people wold get rid of it. In those circumstanes, I support it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I still think that if they absolutely cannot make it to the hospital within that time frame, then adoption should be what they choose. They don't have to kill the baby before it had a chance to live, and at the same time they wouldnt have to live with a baby that constantly reminded them of rape, a baby that could easily make another couple extremely happy.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I agree with that. I don't support abortion in anyway, but I would support someone who thought the abortion was her only option. If she already went through a rape, she wouldn't want people to make her feel like a murderer for doing what she felt she had to do.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well yeah i understand, but adoption is always an option. The adopting parents pay for everything so its not a monetary issue, plus some people can't conceive so they wouldn't mind a child of rape if the option was no baby at all.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That's all true. If one of my sisters got raped, I'd push for adoption, but I understand why someone would feel abortion is her only option.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I can understand why they would feel that way, but I would always push for adoption, some people just dont have all of the information they need.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Thats why we shouldn't treat women who want abortions like murders.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

people think that having an abortion will automatically clear the memory of the rape, but having an abortion will just add to the emotional pain.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I see what you're saying, but having to see the rapist's face on your child every day would take quite a toll. You would know nothing about what the child would be like, and I personally think it wouldn't be worth it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

so now we should think that the baby is less human if they were conceived by rape? i heard a quote once that said 'it doesn't matter how you started. what matters is what you will become.' besides most victims of rape choose life. like 75-80%.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm not saying that. I'm saying if the woman is too emotionally wrecked to handle going through with the pregnancy and feels as if an abortion is her only option, we should be able to accept that without scorning or ridicule.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Exactly! 1 in 2 unwanted pregnancies end in abortion but only 1 in 4 unwanted pregnancies as a result of rape end in abortion. Also a lot of times, women don't like to admit that they were raped, and getting an abortion just gets ride of the 'evidence', whereas if you have the baby and give it up for adoption, it forces the women to admit that they were raped and they can therefore receive the help and support that they deserve.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Not necessarily. Getting an abortion is far less stressful than spending the rest of your life raising a child.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

to some people it's the exact opposite.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well then those people should not get abortions and leave everyone else alone.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

no we won't leave everyone alone. if we think it's wrong we'll be damn proud to speak up against it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I wouldn't want the baby if I was raped. It would have the pain of knowing nothing about their real father, and it would be a constant reminder of the rape that took place. :u

by Anonymous 13 years ago

nothing will erase the memory of rape, not even getting an abortion.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

if it's just a zygote it's not really an "innocent baby". just a ball of cells... i certainly dont think it's right for a young rape victim to have to deal with an unwanted pregnancy. although if there are such pills available, that seems like a preferable method.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

There are, you dont even need a perscription for Plan B which works up to 3 days later. You need one for Ella which lasts the full 5, but like I said why wouldnt you go to the hospital to get cleaned, checked for DNA the rapist may have left, and to get yourself tested.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

We should give these poor women all the options we can. We should let them choose between keeping the child, adoption, abortion, and various other methods like the pill you mentioned earlier.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

But even without abortion there are plenty of options.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Sometimes abortion is the best option. Why would you want to take that right away?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

giving the woman the right to choose takes away all the rights of the child and some rights of the father. 'women's right to choose' is selfish.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Wanting to continue your education, provide for your current children, and pursue your ambitions doesn't fall under my definition of selfishness. A man does not have a "right" to govern a woman's body. Women's bodies are not the property of men. We can not give a fetus rights with out taking away the mother's control of her body do we should let women be free.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Because adoption is always a better option. There are so many couples not capable of conceiving their own child that would love to adopt it

by Anonymous 13 years ago

And there are thousands of children starving children all over the world who would love to be adopted. Adoption doesn't make sense in many situations. These choices are none of your business anyway because it is not your body or your future that is at risk. Women cannot be free if their bodies are controlled by the government.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Again, it's not their bodies, its what is growing inside them. But we are debating the same thing on two different posts, so I say we continue on just one of them.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Agreed. I will respond to the other one.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Is that why close to 500,000 children are in foster care (or similar situations)? Because there are so many couples out there that would love to adopt?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

you're just a bunch of cells too.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Just because your made of cells doesn't mean your significant.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

so all of us are insignificant?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

To the universe, yes, humanity is pretty insignificant. But I was thinking about annoying lower life-forms mushrooms and stink bugs when I was writing that. Having cells doesn't make something significant.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

there have been over 50 million abortions since 1972 (or some year like that). don't tell me none of those babies could've formed new scientific discoveries. and you're right. having cells doesn't make you significant. having a soul does and your soul is there from conception.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You know who else could have cured cancer? All those children I decided not to conceive by not having sex. If your so concerned about medical care why don't you want to provide for the health of womankind and allow abortion?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Look. People always confuse this. As prolifers we believe that every effort should be made to save the life of the mother AND the child, not just the mother or just the child.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You can't always have both. Sometimes a choice must be made and it's not your choice. It's the mother's choice because it is her life that is at stake. Besides, all those 14 year olds who dropped out of high school to take care of children might have cured cancer as well.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

compare how many babies have been killed to how many 14 year old girls dropped out of high school.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Just because some people didn't drop out of high school doesn't mean they were able to live up to their potential.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

so if some girl in high school dropped out of high school because she had a baby you wouldn't think she could live up to her potential? sure you wont have a fancy car but you'll have a car. sure you wont hav a big house but youll have a place to live. dont complain.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

She won't be able to get the education or the career she wants. She won't be able to go to college or graduate school or get the job she wants. She will won't be able to fulfill herself. As long as she is prevented from getting an education, she is not free. Freedom is most definitely something worth complaining about.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

There are PLENTY of women who are able to get a career they want even if they have an unplanned child. It just will take more time. Education is not the most important thing in life. Nor is money, a job, house, car or any materialistic thing on this planet. LOVE makes the world go round.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If only rape victims are allowed to have abortions many women will claim rape whether or not it was so that they can get the abortion. The amount of men having consensual sex being charged with rape will skyrocket, putting a permanent smear on those mens' lives for no fault of their own. I understand why saying only rape victims should be able to get abortions sounds good, but in reality there would be serious social consequences.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's so easy for children who may never be in this difficult situation to preach this controversial stance so casually, with no real insight into the complexities of it all. Yay for the Internet...

by Anonymous 11 years ago

In my experience people who oppose abortion have and will never be directly affected by it. If a woman will be physically or pyschologically damaged by the baby then she should be allowed to get an abortion. If the baby will experience a poor quality of life then the woman should be allowed to abort it if she chooses. It is not murder and what would be worse is forcing the woman into a position where she is not able to give the child the best quality of life (because she can't afford to, mentally, physically I economically) then she shouldn't have to subject her child to a potentially bad life. If you want to put your own child up for adoption go for it but don't force other people to do what you want

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I will pretend this is not about abortion and give you an upvote, because that would be unimaginably evil.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Equally terrible.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

How is that worse than rape?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

There are several circumstances where abortion is the best option.

by Anonymous 11 years ago