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how about instead of forcing us to buy health insurance, the government could actually abide by the constitution they swore to uphold. amirite?

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I like how this dude's name is Thomas, because this is totally something Thomas Jefferson would say.

Compared to countries with universal health care, America is behind. We don't even have health care, we have sick care. America: land of the free, home of lower life span. (Over all, an American's expected life span is about the same as someone living in a third world country)

@pikabeau Compared to countries with universal health care, America is behind. We don't even have health care, we have sick...

Universal health care requires those who can afford it to pay taxes so everyone can recieve health care. Why should people have to pay for other people's health insurance?

@somewhere_I_belong Universal health care requires those who can afford it to pay taxes so everyone can recieve health care. Why should...

If everyone had healthcare, taxes might go up, but the price of doctors would go down. ER visits only cost so much to cover people who don't pay their bills. At first it would cost more, but it the long run it would be better. With universal health care people can get preventative treatment so not as many people will get seriously ill. In the end, it's cheaper. Starting it is what sucks.

@pikabeau If everyone had healthcare, taxes might go up, but the price of doctors would go down. ER visits only cost so much...

I see your point and won't say you're wrong. However, I disagree with having to pay for everyone else's problems. Especially since it will also go towards people who do not even pay taxes. In my opinion, I think everyone should only have to take care of themselves and their family; not total strangers that could (and I'm not saying everyone does) take advantage of the system and pay nothing but still reap the benefits.

@somewhere_I_belong I see your point and won't say you're wrong. However, I disagree with having to pay for everyone else's problems...

The bill would actually only cover tax paying citizens. And when you think about it, your taxes already go to other people. They pay for public school, roads to be fixed, medicare, and other stuff. Paying for healthcare would end up being one thing that would lower the cost me medicine for everyone else.

@pikabeau The bill would actually only cover tax paying citizens. And when you think about it, your taxes already go to other...

I have no problem with paying taxes for things like schools and roads. It's the things like medicare, welfare, and the like that I have a problem with. And about it only covering tax payers: people know how to get around these things.

@somewhere_I_belong I have no problem with paying taxes for things like schools and roads. It's the things like medicare, welfare, and...

People can get around it, but it still lowers your doctor bills, which are totally outrageous. In the end it balances out. I personally have no problem helping those who can't help themselves, it's helping those who are totally capable that bothers me. But that's the price we pay to live in a civilized society.

@Thomas doctor bills aint that bad if you got insurance:P.

I'm sure insurance companies don't wanna pay $800 for an ER visit. Insurance would be cheaper if everyone had it anyway. You're too busy looking at right now. Try looking at the big picture. I'm willing to pay more so future generations can pay less.

@pikabeau I'm sure insurance companies don't wanna pay $800 for an ER visit. Insurance would be cheaper if everyone had it...

okay i'll look at the big picture. in the big picture everyone in americas rights are infringed on and people like me have to pay for other peoples health care. the poor benefit while the rich suffer. we would also be a huge step closer to socialism. what part of that sounds good to you?

Thomass avatar Thomas Yeah You Are +2Reply
@Thomas okay i'll look at the big picture. in the big picture everyone in americas rights are infringed on and people like...

None of what you said looks good, but there's more to it than that. Healthcare will become cheaper. Since it's cheaper more people will get preventative care which means less people will get seriously sick. Less sick people means less people on social security disability which means lower taxes. There might be some freeloaders, but not enough to cause a huge problem. Helping those in need is not a bad thing. Too many people are looking at how it affects them right now instead of how it affects society as a whole in the future.

@pikabeau None of what you said looks good, but there's more to it than that. Healthcare will become cheaper. Since it's...

"Since it's cheaper more people will get preventative care" not if the government is footing the bill. do you realize how cheap the government is?

Thomass avatar Thomas Yeah You Are +1Reply
@Thomas "Since it's cheaper more people will get preventative care" not if the government is footing the bill. do you...

Medicare is government insurance and it covers preventative care. Do you know how cheap preventative care is compared to the treatments of a serious illness? Preventative care will be covered by the government because politicians know that they'd save money by keeping people healthy. Healthcare is cheaper than sickcare.

Well, I'm glad that I live in Australia y smilie

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Psshh and uphold a perfectly good government? That'd be way too hard.

@DeezNuts Psshh and uphold a perfectly good government? That'd be way too hard.

The Constitution was written with a lot of leeway so that Congress would have power. If the government didn't do something because it wasn't in the Constitution, we wouldn't get too much done.

@CapedCrusader The Constitution was written with a lot of leeway so that Congress would have power. If the government didn't do...

Yes, there's leeway in the necessary and proper clause. It gives Congress the power to do what is necessary and proper to uphold the enumerated powers laid out in Article I Section 8. The Tenth Amendment reserves everything else to the states and the people.

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@CapedCrusader I know.....the elastic clause. I don't know why you're telling me this?

Clarification, I guess. Yeah, the government can do stuff not in the Constitution, but not anything they want.

Nevermind that Bush blatantly destroyed the fourth Amendment with the Patriot Act.

@vitaminb Nevermind that Bush blatantly destroyed the fourth Amendment with the Patriot Act.

Nevermind that both houses of congress accepted the patriot act

afarbss avatar afarbs Yeah You Are +1Reply
@afarbs Nevermind that both houses of congress accepted the patriot act

Nevermind its still incredibly unconstitutional and Bush had to sign it

@vitaminb Nevermind its still incredibly unconstitutional and Bush had to sign it

Nevermind it's not the President's duty to decide if a law is constitutional.

@CapedCrusader Nevermind it's not the President's duty to decide if a law is constitutional.

Nevermind it's his job to follow it, and the act was blatantly against the 4th amendment, so it should have been rejected by both Bush and Congress.

@vitaminb Nevermind it's his job to follow it, and the act was blatantly against the 4th amendment, so it should have been...

The Fourth Amendment protects against "unreasonable searches and seizures". Bush and Congress both thought the Patriot Act was completely reasonable, which, in turn, makes it completely constitutional.

@CapedCrusader The Fourth Amendment protects against "unreasonable searches and seizures". Bush and Congress both thought the...

It doesn't matter what they thought, it was completely unreasonable. It would be reasonable if they had any reason at all, but they didn't care, they tapped everybody

@vitaminb It doesn't matter what they thought, it was completely unreasonable. It would be reasonable if they had any reason...

There are bars that prevent the tapping of people who are not suspected of terrorist activity. Also, considering this was in the aftermath of 9/11 most would say this is reasonable

afarbss avatar afarbs Yeah You Are +1Reply
@vitaminb Time has little to do with it, civil liberties were still being infringed

Time had a lot to do with why thi bill was passed. The patriot act also foiled a lot of plans to attack our country

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@vitaminb Nevermind that Bush blatantly destroyed the fourth Amendment with the Patriot Act.

First of all, a President doesn't get a law passed by himself. He only has the final say, so you can't blame Bush without blaming Congress.

Second of all, the Patriot Act mentions nothing about race or citizens' rights so this is just wrong.

@CapedCrusader First of all, a President doesn't get a law passed by himself. He only has the final say, so you can't blame Bush...

MEANS NOTHING ABOUT CITIZEN'S RIGHTS?!?!?!?!
Um...unreasonable search and seizure, 4th Amendment, destroyed

@vitaminb MEANS NOTHING ABOUT CITIZEN'S RIGHTS?!?!?!?! Um...unreasonable search and seizure, 4th Amendment, destroyed

.....well this is embarrassing, I read "Fourth" as "Fourteenth" and thought you were trying to argue that it singled out Muslims. I apologize.

I agree with the OP. If you check my posts (not trying to hijack or spam or anything) you'll see that I can understand having to hold your own against the bogus leftists (yes, I mean as opposed to the reasonable leftists).
You're doing a damn good job.

canadianspunges avatar canadianspunge Yeah You Are 0Reply

By your logic, slavery would be okay. Just saying

laikas avatar laika No Way 0Reply
@laika By your logic, slavery would be okay. Just saying

the constitution doesnt say anything about slavery until the 13th amendment. and that amendment actually had popular support. and slavery is not necessarily a bad thing.

Thomass avatar Thomas Yeah You Are 0Reply

Car insurance says hi.

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@Car insurance says hi.

Car insurance is regulated by the states, not the federal government, which means it's constitutional.

@Car insurance says hi.

you dont have to buy car insurance.

Thomass avatar Thomas Yeah You Are 0Reply

I just clicked YYA because it reminded me of Eminem when you said 'the government could actually abide by the constitution they swore to uphold'

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Because messing up perfectly good government systems is fun!
Damn socialists...

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In it's current form it hasn't taken action yet, so of course it isn't.

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@914095

When I made my first comment, I was talking about the socialists that want to turn the U.S. into a socialist country and this bill is getting us one step farther away from capitalism. I very strongly disagree with having to pay for other people, you see.

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The bill is supplying citizens (including those who cannot usually afford it) with free health care. The only way to do this is by taxes. By paying taxes on this bill, you will be providing health insurance for people who cannot afford it. Ergo, you are paying for the poor's health care. When the people of a country pay taxes to pay for the care of all it's citizens, it is socialism. I don't want to be responsible for anyone but myself. Therefore, I support capitalism.

@somewhere_I_belong The bill is supplying citizens (including those who cannot usually afford it) with free health care. The only way...

I @914171 (somewhere_I_belong): I'm in awe that you're actually admitting that you don't want to help people who don't have it as good as you. That's pretty selfish.

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@I @914171 (somewhere_I_belong): I'm in awe that you're actually admitting that you don't want to help people who...

What Thomas said. They should help themselves. "give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll never go hungry." giving money away isn't the right thing to do; we should be helping people clean up their lives and get jobs so they can provide for themselves.

@I @914171 (somewhere_I_belong): I'm in awe that you're actually admitting that you don't want to help people who...

Really? That's selfish? What's selfish is demanding that you should get the money that somebody else earned! That's selfish! If I want to help somebody out, then I'll do it under my own will. A socialist is somebody who wants other people to provide for them.

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