+340 It's ridiculous when people say things like "Mormons (and, to a lesser extent, Catholics) aren't real Christians." Who the fuck are you to judge? amirite?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

They're idiots; by definition, if your religion worships(or whatever) christ, then it's christian. It's just sad how people promote seperatism.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Comment war in 3,2,1...

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Yes, mormons and christians have many similarities in their beliefs; however, there are also many differences.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Just because some of the finer points are different doesn't mean that the core beliefs are. It's the same way with Islam: There's Sunni and Shi'ite. Both are technically Islamic, but they have a few different ideas.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Mormons are still Christians, but the difference between Sunnis and Shiites is not nearly as big as the difference between Mormons and other Christians. They believe in the book of Mormon, which is and entire extra chunk of scripture written by Americans after the early 1800s. they also believe that people are angels in some way that I don't really understand, where as if you read the Bible you'll notice that angles are more like an entirely different species that live in heaven and were never human. They believe in modern day prophets. And even though it's a running joke, most don't practice polygomy any more. they can't get piercings, tattoos, or drink caffiene or alcohol. they also believe most people in the church should go on missions. You can turn them down and they won't get mad, but they'llcall" someone to do a mission for the church sometimes.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Just to clear up a couple of things: -Book of Mormon was translated in 1800's, not written. -Also, you turn in mission papers. You would never, EVER get called on a mission unless you wanted to. That's part of agency (making your own decisions, choosing what you think is right, etc.), which is very important to us.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Thanks for clearing that up. :)

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You're actually closer than I expected you to be. Kudos on that. However, the "people are angels" isn't ringing any bells... can you be more specific?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I just read somewhere in a thing about misconceptions in religion that most people think when you die you become an angel, which isn't true. Then it added that Mormons believe that people are angels in a certain way, like they were people at the beginning of creation or something. Again, I'm not really sure on this one, this is just the best I can remember.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

It's not "the finer points" of Mormanism that are different from Christianity. It's the very core beliefs that are twisted.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

It comes down to separatism - people stereotypically view Mormons, and sometimes Catholics, as being a little "weird" so if an "average Christian" tries to separate themselves from it. It happens with other things, too. I've heard lesbians say that girly lesbians aren't "real lesbians", I've heard Australians say that shy/timid Australians aren't "real Australians", simply because they don't associate with them, and don't want other people who are just as assuming to associate others with them.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Catholics worship saints, which it says explicitly not to do in the bible, so you could easily argue they're not real christians.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Where are you getting your information from because that's bs. Probably from your biased anti-catholic nondenominational church, amirite?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

i just love how stupid you are. he said, "It says explicitly not to do in the bible" and you still ask where he got his information from..

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Hahaha that's not what I'm talking about dumbass. We don't worship saints and we don't worship Mary either, we honor them.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I know you don't worship them, but you pray to them don't you? wouldn't it be better to pray directly to God?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Lets not all get worked up over this, okay? We don't pray to saints, we pray for their intercession. This means that we pray and ask them to pray for us. It's pretty much the same thing as someone asking you to pray for them, but saints are in Heaven and therefore have a.... well it's hard to put into words, but they have more meaningful prayers.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

really? I didn't know the Bible said that the saints prayers mean more to God than my prayers??

by Anonymous 14 years ago

In my case I don't usually pray to saints but I think it's just kind of a personal preference for most people. Saints are usually assigned something that they are helpful with because of

by Anonymous 14 years ago

...events that happened in their lives. They have been proven (whether you want to believe this or not is up to you) to be helpful in their specific area when you pray to them.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

i love how bitchy you are?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

@1065037 (Durr): S@1065065 (PennieGeeGangstaFarm): skittl has a point though. I'm Catholic and I most certainly do not worship saints or mary! I worship God like the rest of the other christians do. people should stop being biased against catholic if they havent actually witnessed what goes on. We're just much more traditional. and conservative cept me. im a liberal.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

point being asker is stupid? i dont think so. it was unnecessary. thats what i was replying to, not the other part.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

oh whoops.. i didnt mean to side with skittl. Nevermind then.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

i love how ugly you are? gtfo off the internet.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

says the person so ugly they cant have a picture.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

LMAO

by Anonymous 14 years ago

erm shes pretty

by Anonymous 14 years ago

So...this conversation went from Catholicism to whether or not PennieGeeGangstaFarm is pretty or not...Hallelujah for Amirite!

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Depends on what your definition of Christianity is then, and how you believe the Bible should be interperated - most people consider Christians to be followers of the teachings of Jesus Christ, which Catholics are.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

how do you define real christian? im just wondering i dont really know much about "these things"

by Anonymous 14 years ago

a Christian is anyone who believes Jesus died for them, accepts the fact that they are a sinner, and asks for forgiveness for their sins

by Anonymous 14 years ago

do catholicas do that?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Yes.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

...then wtf

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Agreed.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I don't know. for example, you may not go to church but if you have asked for forgiveness for what you've done then you would be a Christian (follower of Christ) and would be able to go to heaven when you die.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I thought Catholics asked the saints to pray for them, so it's kind of like having a prayer partner, but... different. I don't know, my Catholic friends can explain it better.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Yeah, that's pretty much it. Like when you lose something and pray to St. Anthony. You're not worshipping him; you're just asking if he can help you find something you've lost.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I'm kinda confused about that. Why do you pray with saints at all? God's really powerful so he doesn't need help and he told us that if we ask and it's in God's plan to help us then we'll get it so I don't understand why you need the saints.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I can't really answer that in all honesty because I'm not too sure of the answer myself. I personally like to think that it's because God handles the big stuff, and the saints are kinda like his assistants. Like I'd pray to a saint for something like a test, but if I'm praying for a dying relative, I'd pray to God or Jesus. I'm not sure if that's what the Church has to say about it, but that's what I believe.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Thanks for your input. I was talking about this a little while ago with my sister and she thinks it's because Catholics believe humans can't have a direct relationship with God, like how people have to confess sins to priests and not just God. We're Episcopalian so I really don't know how much of that is true, do you?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Yep, that's exactly what we do!

by Anonymous 14 years ago

What? For the sake of every christian with at least half a brain cell, PLEASE STOP TALKING!

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Im Ben, and If I want to judge then Im afraid there Is thing you can do or say to stop me, Im afraid to say I think the whole different types of christianity Is just bullshit, It all comes down to the same thing In the end yet people only use thier "different" belifes so they can Incorporate all thier stupid little fetishes and what not, In the end they all have the same Imaginary friend, so I don't really see what the problem Is. You have a problem with what I have said. Then who the fuck are YOU to judge?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

hi ben, im shurie, will you marry me?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

If that Is what you would like, then yes i shall

by Anonymous 14 years ago

i cant be in a marriage where i have to make all the decisions.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I agree that there r so many different denominations because no one wants to accept all of the Bible for what it is.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I'm Catholic and I hate it when people think I'm not Christian. If it weren't for the Catholic Church, there wouldn't be any other Christian denominations. And how are Catholics weird? My family is a traditional Irish-Catholic family, and there's nothing weird about us. We're not very religious, but it's still insulting.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I don't have anything against Catholics, but it's not really true that without Catholicism there wouldn't be other denominations. If Catholicism or catholic traditions hadn't started, other Christian traditions would have been formed. Or maybe it is true, because if it weren't for Martin Luther disagreeing with the corruption of the Catholic church, then the huge split wouldn't have started and the church, whatever it would be besides Catholicism, would be one big thing.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

A judge.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You don't need to worry about making decisions, i just wanted to make sure that is what you wanted

by Anonymous 14 years ago

mormens and magnetts

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Brotip: Use magnets to fix mistake. Mormons don't know how magnets work

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Mormons totally know how magnets work. If you don't believe me, read Eclipse.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I'm jelly.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

The big difference between those two is that Catholics believe Jesus Christ is the Savior, and Mormons believe that he's just another saint.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

(Anonymous-er): It's a little different than that. Catholics believe that Jesus is the son of God in the sense that He is part of the Trinity. Mormons believe that Jesus is the physical son of God and has the same genes as Him. From what I can tell, they think Jesus is more of a prophet.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

We (Mormons) do believe that Jesus is the physical son of God, however, He is definitely more than a prophet. We believe that He suffered for our sins on the cross and died for us. He is our Savior.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

See, as I understood it, you had God, and then Jesus was just this separate cool guy (granted, the coolest of cool guys, but still a lesser being to God), whereas in Christianity Jesus and God are equivalent and one. And then there was this other thing...it was explained to me like, suppose that yesterday God got in a car and started going 100 mph and just kept going that fast, and then today you got in a car and started going 100 mph and just kept going that fast. You would never catch up to God but after driving for a day you could be where he was when you started. So if you do enough good things it's kind of like that, you won't be as awesome as God but you can be a kind of mini-God like he was a long time ago...I'm sure I butchered the explanation, my friend used to be a Mormon pastor and he explained it better. Anyways, I would say these and a couple other things make Mormonism too different from Christianity to be considered part of it.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I sort of agree with you. I totally get that Mormons believe that Jesus is the son of God and that He is our savior, but the actual theology part is really different from any other Christian religion. They have a slightly different concept of God and the creation of the universe and the afterlife. All to his own though.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I don't really understand the car analogy... But, and I'm not 100% certain on this, Christ and God are basically equal. Yeah, they're separate, not the same person. I'm not sure on the equal thing, but that's what I think that's what it is.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Also, in response to the car thing, we have the potential to become like God, but idk if he will always be ahead of us..? It makes sense though. I can ask, haha :)

by Anonymous 14 years ago

The only true Christians in this country are the Mennonites and Amish. No other Christian group follows Christ's teachings as well as they do.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

They shun people. That's my problem with them.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

what are you doing on amirite if you're amish?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

it would be funny if you yelled that at someone, then actually looked at them and realized that they were God.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I have a friend..who's Mormon..and we're getting married. He just doesn't know it yet. ;)

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Religion in general causes way more harm than good in my opinion.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Please don't compare me to mormons. Ever. They're nice people and all, but that religion is psycho.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Kay, reading all of there comments make me realize why other people veiw us mormons as weird. Peoples ideas of us are WAY off. Like, seriously.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Not really. In the state I live in, the mormon population is pretty high. I don't have the stereotype that all mormons are polygamists and dress weird. I know that's not true. The mormons I know are really nice and come off as pretty normal. But I do know a thing or two about the religion, fyi. Like the history of how it came to be. Come on, the religion isn't even 200 years old. Like, oh, some guy had a revelation that THIS is actually the right religion, and polygamy is right too. Like, "Hey ladies, I had a visit from an angel today, and...he said I should just sleep with all of you. This is the new RIGHT religion." Of course, isn't it funny how polygamy in mormonism was conveniently no longer right when Utah wanted to become a state? I see how Christians, Jews and Muslims believe in their religions- they've been around for a long time. But I don't see how anyone can believe such a new religion. That's just where me, and A LOT of others, are coming from.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

they all have to be new at one point. plenty of people weren't exactly happy when a fellow from nazareth started saying that judaism wasn't quite all there was, and his followers seem to have lasted for a while.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

yeah, and judaism was present the second humans existed. Christianity would've been a new religion, but that's because it's resolved around Jesus' birth.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

To be clear, they stopped practicing plurar marraige when the courts ruled that freedom of religion was okay, but not freedom of practice. It wasn't just "We wanna be a state and they think we're icky" so they stopped. It still kind of bugs me that the FOUNDER is the one who said it was God's will to have more than one wife. It really doesn't make any sense because the bible said it might actually be better if you didn't get married because then you could concentrate more on your relationship with God. That means if you have one wife, you'd have to be half focused on her half focused on God, so think about what that means if you had more than one. Besides that, it's kind of like adultery to have more than one wife. I'm just glad most people don't do stuff like that anymore except the really freaky places.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

We (mormons) know that our church still is young, but we believe that God wanted it to come around in this time called the last days. this is the second dispensation. but we know that it is true and thats really all that matters, we would like other people to join, but we're not going to force it. We believe in God and his son Jesus Christ, we also believe in the Holy Ghost.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Your church was founded by a guy who was stranded in the desert for a long period of time and then came back and swore to people that he saw something (with no proof). He probably did see something...a hallucination It just doesn't seem very trustworthy to me. And I'm sorry, but it seems like an extremely sexist religion.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Catholics were the first christians. And no, catholics do not worship saints. Get your facts straight.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Mormons are Christians. A Christian is someone who believes Christ is our savior, which we certainly do. Our church is called the Church of -Jesus Christ- of Latter-Day Saints. I don't understand what people don't get about it. :/

by Anonymous 14 years ago

here's what people from the outside think-mormonism is a CULT. And this is coming from someone from colorado- a state with a high mormon population.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I am also from Colorado, and I don't see how that is relevant. And yes I know people think that. I'm not completely oblivious. I just don't know WHY.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

It's relevent because I'm saying that, unlike many people, I don't see mormons as polygamists who dress weird and are isolated in Utah. And it's kind of hard to tell someone who's part of a cult why everybody thinks they're part of a cult. A lot of your rules and belief just seem weird to people, but you've been raised in it (I'm assuming) so you wouldn't find them weird at all. But the weirdest ones I've heard: Not being able to do anything on Sundays but stay with family and go to church much longer than any other relgion (I have mormon friends so I know for a fact this is true) The idea that everyone goes to heaven, but you just go to different LEVELs of heaven, which, by the way, does not follow the Bible that Christians study. The church pays families for having more kids For some mormon weddings, family can't even attend because of the type of church it's in Not being allowed to drink caffeine I could go on and on why so many people find mormonism strange.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Ok. So, you have some Mormon friends. Doesn't mean you are an expert. Your friends sound like they practice a lot of things that aren't actually Mormon 'doctrine' and that not every Mormon has to practice. You CAN do other things on Sundays. It's just a day to worship. You can go out with your family, go out with friends on a picnic or whatever, do homework, but it's still a day to be reverent. The "you" in your levels of heaven statement I assume means that you think that only Mormons go to the top levels or whatever. Mormons believe that everyone will go to an appropriate level that is judged by God and Christ. It makes sense, doesn't it? I mean, heaven and hell aren't just black and white. It's not like if you murdered someone you will immediately go to hell... which, by the way, LDS members don't even believe in... *Not true. You aren't payed to have more kids. And, while on subject, COUNTRIES will pay people to have more kids. Example: Germany.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You can be there for the whole wedding. Just not inside the temple. YOU CAN DRINK CAFFEINE. I am so sick of this one. It's not true. You can't drink caffeinated tea or coffee... but caffeine is fine. Resources: lds.org

by Anonymous 14 years ago

OOOOhhhh I HATE it when ever anyone says Mormons aren't Christians! I'm Mormon! It's not the EXACT same religion as Christianity but it's close to it! Like some Christian chick told me it was the exact opposite of being Christian! I said "Do you believe in God and Jesus? SO DO WE!" Shut her up(:

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Wouldn't the exact opposite of Christianity be Satanism? Seriously, where do people get off saying these things.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Oh totally!

by Anonymous 14 years ago

ha! Your religion is really close to christianity now? That's funny. Maybe mormonism is a branch of the overall christianity branch, but that doesn't mean they're actually similar, at all.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Homosexuals are sinners? who the fuck are you to judge?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Just to add to the debate going on here, I think it depends on where you live, at least with Catholicism. I live in Ireland, where Catholicism is the norm and Protestantism or any of the many variations are considered different, whereas if you were from a country that was mainly Protestant, it'd be the opposite.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I started a comment war... I'm so proud.

by Anonymous 14 years ago