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There's no way it was an "accident" that the Earth magically formed by itself and had oxygen, water, sunlight, and humans who "accidentally" were made but coincidentally had reproductive organs, brains, and body parts perfectly arranged so that we could move and breathe and think. Why couldn't God just have done all that stuff on purpose? amirite?
I think a problem with this argument is because people will say that Earth is so perfectly suited to our needs that it doesn't make sense that it wasn't created for us. But I think that it's twisting the theory of evolution. The whole point is that we evolved to fit this Earth. Yes, that means Earth is suited for us but EARTH CAME FIRST. So we were the ones made for Earth. Through evolution.
We were not made for the earth. We saw a niche that was open and took advantage.
Have you seen the way we have treated this earth? We do nothing benificial for it.
Think of it this way, if you take all of the insects out of the earth, it will eventually die. If you take out humans, it will thrive.
That's not what I meant. I didn't explain myself correctly so I'll try and rephrase. The theory of evolution is that we evolved to have the world suit us. The Earth wasn't what "evolved." I think humans kind of suck as a species in general.
I get what you mean, but the theory states that we evolved to adapt to the earth. It's recently that humans have been trying to change the world to suit us, and evolution has become obsolete due to healthcare, technology etc.
But yes I agree. We do suck on a biological point of view.
Because of all the technology humans have defeated evolution and natural selection and control the species and enviroment around us (not well might I add). We think we're making all these advancements but we're making things worse.
Keyword--THEORY of evolution. It's just a theory.
Okay, yes. But even so that argument doesn't work against the theory.
It's just a theory; it's not proven. That goes against it on its own.
Do you even know what a scientific theory IS?
Yes.
Then you'd know that to become a theory, there must be a substantial amount of evidence to become a theory from a hypothesis. Theories explain laws.
THEORY, not fact.
...You seem to be failing to grasp the concept. Theories are basically the facts of the scientific community. Theories are tried and tested again, without being disproved. That's why they're theories. That's the farthest you can get, and the closest you can get to being fact.
Theories do not become laws. Laws are the phenomenon, theories explain them.
It wouldn't be a THEORY if they could prove it.
DO YOU BELIEVE IN GRAVITY??? DO YOU?
Gravity is not a theory.
Are you not reading anything I'm typing? Theories are proved. They're just called theories.
Oh, just read this: http://chemistry.about.com/od/c.../lawtheory.htm Or this if you feel about.com isn't valid: http://wilstar.com/theories.htm Or even this: http://sci.waikato.ac.nz/evolution/Theories.shtml And if you're really thick: http://science.kennesaw.edu/~rm...380theory.html
No, it would be a law like gravity if it were proven.
I'm pretty sure you're just trolling now. If you even read any of those, you would understand that gravity is a law because it is a phenomenon. Evolution is a theory because it explains HOW we got to where we were today. It can't get any more factual than a theory. Gravity does not explain how something happens.
Seriously, you must be trolling now. I just gave you four sites that explain what a theory is versus what a law is, and you are still trying to say that a theory becomes a law. If you won't believe anything I try to show or tell you, I give up. Your stupidity is obnoxious. It's after 1 am where I am. Goodnight.
Tl;dr. Did you have any other THEORIES you wanted to tout as fact? Like back when they had a THEORY that the earth was flat?
You're an idiot. If you've read any of my past comments, you'd know that theories cannot become laws, because laws do not explain why, whereas theories do. The theory that the earth was flat was not a scientific theory, as the theory of evolution is. Non-scientific theories and scientific theories are totally different, and if you've been reading anything I've written, you'd know that. However, you're thick and are refusing to read all evidence as to why you're wrong.
Tl;dr. How about coming up with a THEORY about why monkeys are still here when we supposedly "evolved" from them?
We didn't evolve from them, we have common ancestor.
Okay, let me dumb it down for you, since you're too idiotic to read. Scientific theories must have lots of evidence and can't have been disproved to become a theory. Theories that aren't scientific are the kind you're talking about.
If it really had a lot of proof, it wouldn't be just a THEORY.
You're stupid. I'm tired of explaining that a scientific theory must have proof to become a theory. If it didn't have evidence, it would be a hypothesis.
Theory.
This is my last comment, because your trolling is causing me immeasurable frustration.
A theory in science is an idea that is backed up by proof and has not been disproved. A hypothesis in science is similar to theories that are not scientific. However, evolution is a scientific theory, basically making it fact. If you cannot understand a definition, I cannot help you. Please, go retake biology.
I never took biology. My district didn't allow it.
I guess they didn't allow English either if you couldn't read the definition of a theory as many times as I posted it...
Okay, that was actually my last comment. If you didn't take biology, then you should really use google to have a basic understanding of what the hell goes on in your body. Also, in reference to your question a few comments back, even if we had evolved from monkeys, we could have evolved through allopatric speciation, sympatric speciation, the founder effect, etc.
No, we couldn't have, because in Genesis it specifically says that God created man.
You're right. Obviously, the bible is the true word and describes the way everything works. Scientific evidence means nothing in this world.
There is a place for science. It's just not in explaining how we got here.
Well gravity is just a theory, but you're pretty well grounded on that concept aren't you? It's disappointing when people are ignorant enough to assume that scientists are high as fucking kites when they make up theories to explain natural phenomenon. A scientific theory has been tested, proven and questioned enough in the scientific community to become nearly universal fact.
I'm no physicist but I think gravity may be a fact
Gravity is a law, not a theory.
Obviously you aren't. A fact is an observable, repeatable phenomenon. A law, such as the universal law of gravitation, can be used to describe the trajectory of the object. By using the law I can say that when I drop an apple, it falls toward Earth. A law doesn't explain why. A SCIENTIFIC THEORY, on the other hand, seeks to explain WHY the apple falls to Earth (gravity). A law simply says it happens, a theory explains it. Theories do not become laws. Facts (along with logic) are used to support theories.
It obviously has not been truly proven
Gravity is a law.
The story of evolution is not proven either, and don't use the Bible as proof.
Of course the THEORY of evolution isn't proven. That's my whole point. If there were a shred of evidence in favor of it, then it wouldn't be just a THEORY.
It still would be a theory. The is only not enough evidence to say that evolution is THE trued and nothing else.
And it will always be a theory. The only way to make it a real sience fact is by testing it. And not many people have a couple millions years to test this theory.
I just meant that in hypothetical conversations such as this: "I believe in the theory of evolution" "But isn't the world perfect for us? God had to have made it!" "Yes the world is perfect for us but that doesn't argue against my theory because I believe we evolved to fit the world and THAT'S why it's perfect for us."
The world is perfect for us, but we're not perfect for the world. Look what we've done to it.
saying there is no other life forms on any other planet is like getting a drinking glass filling it up with ocean water and saying there is nothin in the ocean from that one water sample.
looks at massive comment war
Wasn't religion created to bring people closer together? It's tearing us apart instead...
The sole purpose of religion was never to bring people together, it was to control people into behaving well.
I thought it was so that people had a place to look forward to when they die? Or to create a conscience.
Lolno. The point of religion is to give answers when there is no where left to turn to. People are turning away from religion more and more because of all the new discoveries today. But 3,000 years ago if you asked why the sky was blue, your only answer would've been God.
Things in religion are still applicable today. When you lose a loved one, you need answers to questions like "Why?" and "What will happen to them?" The idea of your loved one sitting next to God on top of clouds is more appealing than thinking they are gone and being eaten by maggots.
Appealing sure, doesn't mean its true.
Agreed, Tank.
Agreed. Sure it might be good for the individual, but as a whole, it fucked people over many, many times.
I only said that to not offend the religious people.
Simon's Theory, THAT'S WHY!
Has anyone taken the theory that the Greek God Zeus created us so he could have more women to seckz and the men to get the women pregnant and create more people for Zeus to seckz into consideration?
Simon... the real answer is "BECAUSE SHUT THE FUCK UP! THATS WHY!"
Will Zeus reward me if I make more people for him to seckz? Finally something to believe in.
Those things did not happen "accidentally". They ocurred by chance. There are trillions of planets in the universe and by pure chance the Earth is one of them that's suitable for life. Likewise, natural selection worked on chance mutations in molecules until simple life forms evolved into complex ones.
The argument that nature is too beautiful to be an accident is one of the classic arguments against atheism, but it's also an extremely weak argument that falls apart when you put any thought to the issue.
its called evolution you retard
humans evolved from monkey like creatures
were instead of using broad strength to defend its self
natural selection caused them to loose much muscle mass and develop a mechanical side of their brain !!
I think you could be taken more seriously if you could actually use some correct grammar and not sound like a stupid 12 year old.
Please don't pretend you know what you are talking about.
We did not evolve from monkeys, we are close relitives of the family, but a different species.
If you want to get technical, they think that every single living thing has evolved from one ancient animal that resembles a rat.
Actually pick up a text book and learn something before arguing it.
Ok, humans did NOT evolve from monkeys. Humans and monkeys BOTH evolved from the same ancestor, but monkeys did not become humans. If humans evolved from monkeys, monkeys would no longer exist.
Right, a common ancestor that nobody can find any evidence of. How convenient.
Yes, because locating the body of a being that lived millions of years ago on a planet with a constantly changing environment is so incredibly simple.
Right, like how we have theories about these things called dinosaurs. Maybe someday we'll find physical evidence of them too.
Humans shared a common ancestor with apes; we did not evolve from them.
read closely, he said "monkey like creatures", so it was poorly worded, but still the same as yours
humans didn't evolve from monkeys, at least not modern monkeys. they both evolved from a shared primate ancestor into the creatures that they are today.
Right, and the humans' ancestor is conveniently missing and nobody has been able to find it. Yet another blow against the nonsensical THEORY of evolution.
You are confusing a hypothesis and a theory. A theory is a well established principle. It arises from repeated observation and testing and incorporates facts, laws, predictions and tested hypotheses that are widely accepted. A hypothesis is what someone expects to happen. A theory has been extensively tested and is generally accepted, while a hypothesis is a guess that has yet to be tested. The THEORY of evolution has yet to be proven wrong.
Just because you can't prove something is wrong doesn't make it true. I have purple skin and I can run 100 mph. If you can't prove that I'm wrong, I guess it means I'm telling the truth.
...that applies to religion too.
Sure it does. Everything in the bible has been proven to be true though.
If absolutely everything had been proven I'm pretty sure there'd be more Christians. But we're talking about evolution vs creation. And creation has not been proven, although it's in the bible.
It absolutely has been proven.
just curious, how exactly?
http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1362.cfm
That article was so insane I actually had to read half of it before I could tell whether it was trolling or just stupid
And I'm supposed to believe that you're some type of authority figure on how good articles are?
It's a fact until proven wrong. That's where science's fatal flaw lies.
The first half of the post refers to the creation of the Earth, while you are referring to only the evolution of species. I'd say the OP is 1/2 right. Evolution takes care of the existence of humans, but even Darwin himself thought there was something special about the creation of the planets.
I'm sorry, let me clarify. I don't mean the creations of the planets, but when I think about the creations of... the first substance, I always keep going backwards to find out where it begins. I get stuck at anti-matter, and I wonder where anti-matter comes from. And I don't know. You could say anti-matter always existed, but when did it start?
then what did monkeys evolve from?
monkeys evolved from anphibions or reptiles , i dont know the whole theory of evolution so dont be here saying that god mad all this happen , yes maybe if their is a god he gave some things like ,like putting the first amebas on the earth and letting life evolve from then , so im not doubting god i jus know that he didnt create humans the way they are now
then where did all that other stuff evolve from? something can't appear from nothing
Where did "God" appear from then? One day he just popped up in existence and started making stuff? What the fuck?
He's eternal. he has no beginning or end
Wow, Christians brainwash such idiots.
There's only so far back science can explain. One theory now is that the high temperature conditions of the earth post-impact with the meteor which created the moon happened to produce self-replicating RNA. After that, everything else could evolve. I haven't read a truly sound theory for the creation of RNA yet but after that, evolution makes sense.
It's called the THEORY of evolution because it's just a theory, and a bad one at that.
You're a fucking idiot. God ain't real you dumbfuck.
I'd much rather live life thinking there is a God then dying and realizing there isn't than live life thinking there is no God then dying and realizing there is.
No, you didn't understand my post exactly, of course, I didn't say this, but it's implied. The "theory" of evolution isn't a theory, it's science, and it's true. I guess I change my mind, living life beleiving there is a greater source of power isn't a bad thing, but thinking the world is 6000 years old and Adam and Eve were the first people is stupid. You have to understand that if they were, all of the world would be products of incest. So God himself isn't stupid, the Bible is. Kapeesh?
So a perfectly life sustainable planet exploding from nothing is easier to believe than incest? Yeah, it's definitely the bible that's stupid
(MacaroniSalad):I understand you.
Thanks. I might have one off sort if bitchy. I just don't see how the bible could be true....
I try to believe it, but some of it seems sketchy. I haven't questioned my faith yet, though.
Yeah. If someone asks I say I'm non-religous or I'm Unitarian Universalist.
Good answer, but some people will try to escort you to a church :P
Happened before... I go to a
My iPod is spazzing... What I meant to type was "I go to a Christian summer camp where it's diffacult to find the people like you, that just zone out when talking about God's beautiful creation and stuff. Not like I don't respect it, I just don't care.
He's more real than the THEORY of evolution.
AGREED.
I'm not bashing your beliefs, but it's also ignorant to think they we were all created perfectly like we are now, by God however long ago it was.
It's fact that we evolve to fit our surroundings, it's the most important part of life.
And by your logic, it's "accidental" that we have reproductive systems, isn't that the whole reason for species to exist? To reproduce and overcome new enviromental challenges, to evolve our species to make it better?
Nothing that has ever happened was accidental, and no scientist will ever say the creation of anything was accidental.
Pick up a text book before you start and argument about something you obviously know little about.
I don't see why God couldn't have created...well...not really created..the big bang? You can say that evolution happened, but how come God didn't do it?
I say both scientology and religion could go together up to a certain point.
Scientology...?
I see I used the wrong word. I'm tired. I should not have butted into a religious debate at this hour, and I apologize. Well. Not really.
No no no, I agree with you. I was just confused and assumed you meant science, not a crazy cult that believes we are controlled by brainwashed alien souls.
Oh. Okay then. Good. I didn't have the energy to defend myself, or look up anything to aid in correcting it.
So you're saying you agree? I see no reason why people are either black or white on this issue. It's too big of a debate to know for certain.
That's pretty much what I think. I see almost everything in shades of gray.
The fuck is this? I can't even.
If God is real, he has one sick sense of humor.
I don't understand why all the atheists turn into dicks whenever a topic like this comes up...
Not to be rude or anything, but I read the whole comment section and seriously you guys...chill the fuck out.
The religious people on here are freaking out too. I live discussions. And for the Internet, I'd say amirite arguments are very civil (there's a difference between arguing and discussing different beliefs though...this is arguing but hey, it's better than the arguments on YouTube!)
Love* oh curse you, tiny iPod buttons!
While the religious people are freaking out too, if you read through the whole post it tends to be the atheists who just blatantly go about bashing religion.
But yeah, compared to YouTube this is rather tame.
YEAH!!1111 GOD IS S0 REEL
"There's no way it was an "accident" that the Earth magically formed"
You're right. It wasn't an accident and the Earth wasn't magically formed. It's called "chance."
if there is a god who has the power to do all that, why is he such a cunt?
No, it wasn't magic.
No one said it was.
I feel I should post some statistics on the average amount of certain words used in the usual comment wars.
fuck/ing/ed: 9. That's surprising, thought there'd be more..
God: 33. No surprise there.
Evolution: 29. No surprise there.
Religion: 8
Evolve: 26
Bible: 7
Monkey: 15
Stupid: 4
As a result of these statistics, I conclude that SHUT UP.
single cell amoeba that lives off nitrogen which was what the earth was and still is covered with , then when the atmosphere began to become regular and temperate they multiplied causing competition and evolution to happen
think of it how a tadpole turns into a frog but just think it doesn't end at a frog it splits into reptiles mammals and fish
hope it cleared something up ,not doubting your believes like said before maybe god put the nitrogen living amoeba their but he DID NOT create humans as they are now
that is just the churches way of saying what happened when the earth was made , because think of when the the old testament was written ? like barely anyone would have known about evolution so they had to say something to gain followers so what would be better than saying their almighty god made everything giving him much more power than possible
Tl;dr
In the Bible it says God created Man in his own image, and i might be wrong, but i don't think God is an amoeba
I don't think the Bible is a valid source for an argument.
I think an episode of South Park said it best. You can't take every little thing the Bible says as pure fact. Some stories are supposed to teach people a lesson. And in reality, it has the exact opposite effect of what it should have.
i never said god was, i said its possible that he created the 1st amoeba ! the book of genisis is fiction and the catholic church excepts it as such so theirs no pint of arguing with it
I'm Catholic. Since when did the Pope make this holy announcement that the Book Of Genesis is fraud? And I don't think the Church would do that. They haven't exactly been friendly to scientists/freethinkers in the past.. cough Galileo cough
then i will have a lager of truth as opposed to a pint of arguing ;)
well i'm not catholic so that's not a good argument against me.
Lol, I remember watching all 7 one day when I was bored.
I ragequit after the second one.
Ok, I didn't expect everyone to freak out like this. First of all, atheists; calm down! Second; why are all the religious people 'anonymous '? Are u afraid to have an actual account?
So basically.
If you ever want to have an intelligent debate about God vs. Science, go learn the other argument first.
Also, grow up.
Also, I personally don't understand why you think that it has to be just God.
God <3
WTF. OKAY. I HATE HOW PEOPLE AUTOMATICALLY REJECT GOD. AS I SAID EARLIER:
"I'd much rather live life thinking there is a God then dying and realizing there isn't than live life thinking there is no God then dying and realizing there is."
Yeap, agreed, it's so sad so many people don't understand how much God loves them.
I don't get how your post gets a negative vote.. good luck in HELL. Hope GOD saves your souls.
The THEORY of evolution? Please.
Oh stop. "Theory" in science is pretty much fact.
It's like saying you don't believe in the "Theory" of gravity.
Gravity isn't a theory. And saying it's "pretty much" the same thing doesn't mean anything. Our DNA is pretty much the same as many animals' DNA, but that doesn't mean it's the same.
Everything in science is a theory.
It's called Newton's theory of gravity, so technically it is a theory.
No, it's Newton's Law of gravity.
Those are the laws gravity abides by. We still don't know for certain what causes gravity.
I know for sure. GOD.
God is what people use to explain the things they dont uderstand so they can fall asleep at night
Also booze.
And the THEORY of evolution is what people believe in when they want to be rebellious and edgy when deep down they know it's BS.
rebellious? most people accept it. there is nothing that DISproves it. it's only a theory because is can't be proven absolutely
They're being rebellious to the true word of God, is what I meant.