-76 Let's say one day you see a small shiny box in the ground. You pick it up, and it says iPhone on the back. You learn how to use it, and you are absolutely amazed! Will you really say "Look what nature created! Nature evolved this from cells millions of years old!" No. It obviously had a designer, thus also a creator. See how much more complex the human body is. There has to be a creator... amirite?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Umm...I know there is something I'm supposed to say to this.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Stupid analogy used to rationalize a stupid idea is stupid.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

There it is.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Even more stupid idea: evolution and no creator.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Thinks created by nature are infinitely more complex than any piece of technology you will ever own.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

inb4 hundreds of comments between scrantoncity, Amish_Allosaurus and athiests.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Hey, I believe in evolution.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Allosaurus, not Aiiosaurus.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Exactly my point, Truuninja! But technology has a designer and could never just be evolved to be. See how much more complex "natural" things are. How could they just evolve from nothing? Technology can't, and it is way less complex. There is a designer and creator!!!

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Surely though, by your logic, the thing that created humans is yet more complex still, and yet, you would argue was not created by something else. Is that correct?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

That's the idea. God. All powerful, knowing, I'm sure you've heard. No answer is clear and easy to believe, but which makes more sense. A God that did it, or just random appearance. A God would explain it, even though it is still hard to comprehend. But evolution? Its so stupid and contradictory!

by Anonymous 14 years ago

It is no less reasonable to believe that the universe came from nothing than it is to believe that it was created by a God who came from nothing. Please explain how evolution is contradictory.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Actually an all powerful and all knowing creator is a paradox. Couple of points: Can God create a rock that he can't lift? If he can, then he is not all powerful because he cannot lift the rock. If he can't, then he is not all powerful because he can't create the rock. If God knows all things, then he cannot change his mind.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

look i am religious too, but saying God had a "plan" makes Him/Her/It sound more or less like a person, God doesn't NEED a plan, God exists within the forces of nature that run this Universe.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Have you ever read the bible? It's one big contradiction.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Atoms are not nothing.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

But where did the atoms come from? CREATED!!! If you can explain that, props.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Well, okay, there's no reason why matter or any other thing came into existence, form the Big Bang, which, paradoxically, eliminated a lot of matter. It's indeed comforting to think about a God who will always be there for you, but you can't say silly things like God created man at once. I'm willing to believe an entity is behind that big explosion. That's currently our lower bound, we cannot know at the moment what was before that. But my concern is, what if did? We kept going back further and further, discovering everything to the origins of the Universe. What if we go back so far that it reaches a point where... everything is so insignificant or so great? That defies traditional religion. But to each his own.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

But you can't tell me that anything at all got there by any other means. And an explosion? That's so illogical! All explosions only leave a disarray. If that happened out in the universe, everything would be in tiny bits, travelling off into nothing. Laws of Thermodynamics, everything goes from order to disorder. The Big Bang is supposed to be "scientific," but it contradicts science in almost every way possible. All life comes from preexisting life, cell theory. Many other ways to. Laws of physics. And if you say there was a God behind it, which would make it possible because He is all powerful, then why wouldnt he just create it as itself? Why would he use a stupid explosion that would take billions of years? It goes against common sense and logic.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

To any entity which has no unlimited life (that is, all known entities), explosions of any kind seem distructive. They are nothing more than changing from one state to another. No matter is lost in a normal explosion. It just converts to other things. Fire burns oxygen, we get CO2. Anyway, that wasn't an explosion in normal terms. Matter and anti-matter collided, and some matter survived. Gravity and other energies are the forces keeping things together at the moment. "billions of years? It goes against common sense and logic." Okay, you stump me on this one. It has been *proven* that the Universe is billions of years old. If you refuse reason, you are not worth my time. I am open to discussion about religion, but not discussion with stubborn mules. LOGIC? You bring religion in and you talk about LOGIC? Jeez. Good night. You are not worth anything.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You sound so stupid!!! How has it been "proven?" It hasn't! There is no proof. Show me some legitimate proof. You can't. Where do you think these said forces came from? It is so illogical that the matter converted to anything with form, especially something as complex as a living organism. According to science, all life comes from preexisting life, not random matter from an explosion. Yes, I am a faithful Christian, but my faith is solidified a millionfold by reason! You didn't say anything that made evolution seem smart at all. Further proving that reason plays in with the belief of Creation.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

tl;dr

by Anonymous 14 years ago

It has been proven that our earth is billions of years old through the use of dating radioactive materials. they check the ratio of the radioisotope to the number of dauter particles and use that ratio in comparison to the radioisotopes halflife to determine the age of different things. the earth is made up of billions of years old rocks. theres your proof.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

have you not heard that that form of dating is highly inaccurate? A group of scientists made a rock in a lab, and got it dated as 10,000 years old, when it was a few months old. It is not accurate at all.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

i dont believe that. give me a link to that.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Alright... I'm a Christian too, but you are radical. Explosions may seem destructive, but they make room for new life. Which is why when they say that they big bang theory occurred, the universe poofed into existence. Since God is so immeasurably powerful and mighty, could he not create an explosion that would cause matter and anti-matter to react in such a way that life could spring forth into being? and As for evolution. Since God is the "creator, designer, executor of plans" could he not also create us in a way that we followed an evolutionary pattern? Would he leave us on the Earth just to exist, no moving forward, just constantly stuck just the way we are? I think you have some things to think about before you make radical exclamations and calling others stupid for THEIR beliefs...

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You're too arrogant.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Show me ANY legitimate proof of a God existing. Or any legitimate proof that there is a Heaven, or a Hell. You claim that there is no proof in science, while you have no proof in your religion! Things in science cannot be proven, if you want to say, because what we prove comes from theories, or postulates if you want to remember your most basic proofs from geometry. Are the diagonals of a square congruent? Yes. But can I prove it without having postulates which I can then base my proof off of? No. There are many theories in science that have no proofs. Do you believe in gravity? I sure hope so. But is gravity proven to exist? No.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Gravity is proven by me not flying off of Earth.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Another thing id like to say is that plastic and some other materials used to make an ipod are synthetic, people are not made from materials not found in nature.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Humans are made from nature; every atom of you would of at some point been in nature.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

um thats what i said, i think u got confused cuz the double negative..

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Oh yeah my bad.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I agree with the OP. Get off his back for his beliefs.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Sure, you can believe in a god. But WHY do you have to go on a site made to be humorous, and post your religious ramblings? Yeah, feel free to share your thoughts, but share them in a less forceful way.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

this site is about expressing one's own personal opinions and beliefs, they should not be restricted just because you "don't like it" It may be idiotic to you, but others might like it I mean hey, it got onto the home page right? that proves something. you shouldn't confine someone's thought just because you don't see it fit like the other humorous posts about puns.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

No, it's about asking if people agree with you. OP essentially forced their beliefs on everyone who reads that post.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

He was testing his theory and saw if a majority of people thought like him? I'm not saying I agree with his theory ( I don't ) but how he expresses is his choice, it shouldn't be influenced by people who (again) don't like it because it isn't "funny". There should be more serious posts for controversial arguments.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I KNEW IT! Steve Jobs IS GOD!

by Anonymous 14 years ago

well first of all, technology doesn't have any cells so how can it evolve? second of all THIS ANALOGY ISN'T LOGICAL maybe if you said something besides an iPhone evolving -_- technology isn't biological.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You've twisted Paley's design argument into something that seems completely ridiculous. Here's the Wikipedia link that explains what OP is trying to get across: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmaker_analogy

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I agree with your point, but it was kind of a stupid way of putting it.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

The reason this doesn't make sense is because the math and science that describes these things is at such a high level that I'm pretty sure nobody here understands it. I can't explain it to you. I don't understand it. The leading scientists, mathematicians, and theorists are just unimaginably brilliant. An very large percentage of people aren't even introduced to it. http://www.buzzle.com/articles/how-was-the-universe-created.html That's a fascinating read. And it's barely scratching the surface, especially since it doesn't even indroduce any of the math behind all of this. Yes, there are some unanswered questions, but all of that information has been discovered within the last century. Imagine how much people will have discovered in the future.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

IPhone = Technology, Cells = Biology. Now, us humans are the creators of technology, but we are the ones that evolve it. It doesn't evolve on its own.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

We created it. God created us. Bingo.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

And this is the reason why people think Christians are stupid.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Lol kind of find it really hard to believe that millions of cells can evolve into an iPhone. I see what op is saying, but the analogy makes it seem like god is the terminator

by Anonymous 14 years ago

And Jesus is the one that says "I'll be back"

by Anonymous 14 years ago

this why i hate people who believe so much in their religion , why do you want everyone to believe that god is real? the only thing god/christians/religion brought is war and racism besides that; there is plenty of proof to proof evolution and the big bang!

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I want others to believe out of my concern for their lives! I firmly believe in heaven and hell. Yes, I wonder why they exist, but from all that I have learned and reasoned, it has to be true. You learn that when taught correctly. And I don't want people to go to hell. I don't tell people they will, but it is the sad truth. This is just another way of me trying desperately to get the message out there. Like other posts, wouldn't you rather die to find out there is no God than die to find out there is, and just be screwed?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Actually, if the god of the old testament existed, I'd rather go to Hell than support him. If God is all powerful, why would he allow genocide to still exist? Why would he give humans such a huge destructive capacity? Before you say this is the work of the devil: if God is all powerful, can he not simply destroy the Devil instead of continuing to allow billions of people to suffer at his hands? I'd rather live a life lead by reason, where I think deeply about each belief I hold dear, instead of letting fear of potentially non-existent punishment for a victimless crime lead me into believing something with little to no proof.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Christians also brought Martin Luther King, Mother Teresa, and Christmas presents! If you think Christmas presents are bad then you are an evil person.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Wake up from your little dream world, iPhones have no cells and thus cannot evolve.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

then how did cells come into existence at all? evolution says there was just a ball of matter to begin with. According to that, it's either all cells, or cells don't exist. Neither of which are true. All cells come from preexisting cells. Cell theory, check out this thing called science.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Cells have to have DNA, which is made up of very specific molecules. Non-cells don't have those exact same sequences of molecules. I'm not even going to bother with how that happened, because, you know, they don't teach that in the last biology class I took. Have fun making yourself look stupid.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Uhh technically iPhones did 'evolve.' First it was a brick phone, then a color phone, then flip phones, then camera phones, then phones with mp3's etc. etc. and the iPhone is just next in line. You can also be sure it's not the last in line.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

So if everything this great has a creator, who created God?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

That's where the line is drawn, ask Him in heaven. Who created the ball of matter before your "Big Bang?"

by Anonymous 14 years ago

There is actually a scientific explanation for it. I can't understand it or explain it but I know that there is one.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

LOL

by Anonymous 13 years ago

tl;dr version: God is real.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

That is the worst argument ever... of all time.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Of course it had a "creator," it's MAN-MADE.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Who made the man?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I'm not even trying to get into the whole evolutionary arguement, I'm just picking at the analogy. If I found an iPhone in a box on the ground I wouldn't have a religious epiphany, I'd be wondering who on earth would drop that.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

His mommy's vagina and his daddy's penis. Or a test tube.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

you saying a test tube...so sad. I hate that. But who made the parents?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Penises and vaginae.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

and who made the penises and vaginae? lol

by Anonymous 14 years ago

What's wrong with test tubes?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Okay. A couple of things. Number one, you're an idiot. Number two, that is a terrible, inaccurate analogy. Number 3, there are theories on how cells came into existence in the first place. Essentially, there were various elements such as nitrogen, oxygen, carbon, phosphorus, hydrogen, and these reacted in an "chemical soup" on the very, very early planet. Lightning, lava, and cosmic heat provided the energy needed for basic amino acids, then proteins to form, and eventually self-replicating RNA and DNA. And then these combined even more to form the first cells. The elements, of course, came from space when matter was pushed all over the universe by the Big Bang. And there you have it, that's how life began. I'd say that now you're better informed, but you're close-minded and pretty much stupid, so you didn't believe any of that. In closing, piss off, you're ruining our generation and our future.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You are the ruined generation, ruining the future. Where did this "chemical soup" some from? It can't just be there with no explanation. I'm damn well open minded, I just know that all these ideas that I'm open to are bloody well wrong. You're closed minded because all you say is "Oh, he's a christian. CLOSE MINDED HATEFUL IGNORANT BLAH BLAH BLAH!" If anything defines closed minded, that is it.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

If you want to know where "chemical soup" came from I suggest you study physics and biology instead of refusing to believe it simply because you don't understand the science behind it.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

y Yeah, did I not say that the elements came from the Big Bang? I remember saying that. "...elements such as nitrogen, oxygen, carbon, phosphorus, hydrogen, and these reacted in an "chemical soup"...The elements, of course, came from space when matter was pushed all over the universe by the Big Bang."

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yep. God created ONE WORLD with intelligent life. And ALL THE REST just for scenery. /sarcasm

by Anonymous 14 years ago

God created intelligent life in addition people like Straight_Pride perhaps as a punishment.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Way to have an intelligent argument...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Stupid analogy is stupid.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

what's wrong with believing that god created evolution...? I believe in both. also, I believe in god, but this post is just a stupid analogy. 1. religion isn't always 100% logical, it's based on your own faith (or lack thereof) and 2. believe what you want, but dont try to make others believe in it too. that's what this post is trying to do, convert people, and OP needs to stop trying to shove it down others' throats.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

shoving it down throats? anybody could have just scrolled past it...

by Anonymous 13 years ago